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essendon
30 Jul 2005, 09:28
How many weeks anyone for the right jab ?
2-3 weeks ??
Will be missed, played a great game.
Longy413
30 Jul 2005, 09:40
Enter A.Wilson.
2 weeks, 1 on an early guilty plea.
Darealrath
30 Jul 2005, 11:03
Enter A.Wilson.
I was thinking Nash or Slattery, but if Wilson were ever to get a game then this has created the perfect opportunity.
He Probably Thinks This Song Is About Him!
Spike(less) is on FoxFooty now, they've replayed it around 45 times and every time it looks worse.
1-2 unfortunately.
bugman5
30 Jul 2005, 13:59
He Probably Thinks This Song Is About Him!
Don't yoooooooooooooouuuu?
Nt Bomber
31 Jul 2005, 12:21
Dont mind Mark as a player but that would have to be one of the most undisciplined acts I have seen this year.
For an AFL player to do that with all the cameras about shows that he has no brains or couldnt care less about his teammates or the club in the coming matches.
Should trade him if they can get a good deal.
gPhonque
31 Jul 2005, 12:31
Dont mind Mark as a player but that would have to be one of the most undisciplined acts I have seen this year.
For an AFL player to do that with all the cameras about shows that he has no brains or couldnt care less about his teammates or the club in the coming matches.
Should trade him if they can get a good deal.
Trade him?
Classic.
:rolleyes:
Perhaps you should join those overreacting Dawk supporters and go watch netball.
If you want to trade a good player for that, you're a dill.
Nt Bomber
31 Jul 2005, 12:51
Thats not tough footy, what did he achieve by tapping someone on the chin. Didnt seem to hurt anybody but has cost him and the club a couple of weeks.
For a first round draft choice the club would have expected more from Mark over the years.
Undiscplined against Richmond comes out and plays well against Collingwood then back to the old ways again.
1-2.
And Solomon will get 1-2 for his little effort on Ablett
Rioli's spear tackle to be looked at too.
Its stupid, dangerous, and its something he has to get out of his game before he breaks someones fu.cking neck.
gPhonque
31 Jul 2005, 14:35
Thats not tough footy, what did he achieve by tapping someone on the chin. Didnt seem to hurt anybody but has cost him and the club a couple of weeks.
For a first round draft choice the club would have expected more from Mark over the years.
Undiscplined against Richmond comes out and plays well against Collingwood then back to the old ways again.
So we trade him?
:rolleyes:
I'm glad you don't work at Essendon!
You are right though. It wasn't tough. It was stupid.
But let's be realistic! Worst case scenario is he gets a couple of weeks and forces open a spot for a younger guy to get a game or two.
I just find it funny when people like you overreact and start saying things like "trade him."
Thats not tough footy, what did he achieve by tapping someone on the chin. Didnt seem to hurt anybody but has cost him and the club a couple of weeks.
For a first round draft choice the club would have expected more from Mark over the years.
Undiscplined against Richmond comes out and plays well against Collingwood then back to the old ways again.
Clueless
Nt Bomber
31 Jul 2005, 17:46
Im not just referring to this incident as a reason to trade him.
Almost every player is up for trade if the right deal can be made especially players who dont appear as though they will develop any further and cant get rid of old bad habits.
Old bad habits? When was the last time he twatted someone? If that were the case, we'd have got rid of fletcher, solomon and MJ for their bad habits.
Pevers-Legend
1 Aug 2005, 10:15
Old bad habits? When was the last time he twatted someone? If that were the case, we'd have got rid of fletcher, solomon and MJ for their bad habits.
But how many stupid free kicks has he given away in similar circumstances.
his aggression is his strength is his weakness.
Needs to do more than just string 2 or 3 excellent games together. Another season that shows his potential but nothing more. Why wasn;t he doing this 10 weeks ago?
Still trade bait - although if you could guarantee his head would be screwed on I would never get rid of him.
Rioli's spear tackle to be looked at too.
Its stupid, dangerous, and its something he has to get out of his game before he breaks someones fu.cking neck.
Couldnt agree more Nandoz - I feel sickened every time he does it. The league have to act before it is too late.
Rioli has taken a real turn in recent times. He uses his head to attack people nowadays. IIRC Beau Watters on his debut did it to Welsh - ran up and attacked Welsh with his head, Welsh went down like a bag of spuds Watters didnt seem affected. Tough heads!
SydneyBomber
2 Aug 2005, 22:10
rioli's tackles aren't spear tackles - check your definition boys.
the tackle the other night was beautiful.
horizontal and bone crunching - no risk to the head/neck.
rioli's tackles aren't spear tackles - check your definition boys.
the tackle the other night was beautiful.
horizontal and bone crunching - no risk to the head/neck.
im sure the above posters love a bone crunching tackle as much as anyone...its just if he keeps doing those tackles (btw it was a spear tackle) hes bound to end up killing someone sooner or later.
The whole side should tackle like Rioli. As long as he doesn't plow their heads into the ground by taking them past horizontal (and he checked himself in the weekends tackle to make sure he didn't) it's exactly what I want to see, bloody brilliant. The only times he's over-rotated a player has been when they've attempted to jump into or over his arms. If it was a 'spear' tackle he would have been reported, it wasn't, so he wasn't.
Whatever technical name you want to label it with, I would define it as very dangerous and if you encourage your whole team to do it sooner or later someone will not execute it right (just like an errant kick at goal which isnt intentional) and some poor sod will end up in a tragic state.
Please. Banning tackles like that, is only going to lead this spot being called touch footy instead.
Front-on tackles are always going to be hard by their nature. It's a lot easier to run forwards than chase a person. Dangerous? Not really. Is it time we use the technique in tackle drills? Definitely.
Whatever technical name you want to label it with, I would define it as very dangerous and if you encourage your whole team to do it sooner or later someone will not execute it right (just like an errant kick at goal which isnt intentional) and some poor sod will end up in a tragic state.
There are many aspects of our game that if not executed correctly can be very dangerous, doesn't stop them being a part of it - go chase someone who isn't doing it right. As the AFL said the elevated risk was primarily caused by the player jumping up and into Rio who had set himself low to take the hips.
There are many aspects of our game that if not executed correctly can be very dangerous
Yes, but some acts carry a greater amount of risk than others. The tackles i have seen recently from Rioli if not executed correctly will have a much higher probability in causing the most serious of injuries - a broken neck than other acts.
Also imagine if there is a bloodbath game where there is lots of passion and players lose total control, then they may not bother attempting to check themselves when laying such a tackle as Rio has been laying (indeed if they become common).
I am not into soft footy, i like seeing the hard bumps and appreciate players like the Solomons and Johnson who "accidentally" drop knees into annoying opponents, but the line has to be drawn somewhere and for me these tackles are an instance.
Longy413
5 Aug 2005, 08:08
The tackles i have seen recently from Rioli if not executed correctly will have a much higher probability in causing the most serious of injuries - a broken neck than other acts.
Let's not crucify the bloke because of an if. There is nothing wrong with what he is doing at present.
When I was playing junior footy and even senior footy I was always told to stay low and tackle the hips, which is exactly what Rioli is doing. However I was also told to pin the arms and lock in the ball. That is something Rioli isn't doing and that is a bit of a worry.
Also imagine if there is a bloodbath game where there is lots of passion and players lose total control, then they may not bother attempting to check themselves when laying such a tackle as Rio has been laying (indeed if they become common).
In which case they would be quite rightly suspended for a lengthy period of time, but not until and if that were to occur. There is a line that Rioli should, and I believe he does, know he can't cross.
Let's not crucify the bloke because of an if.
A couple of tackles i've seen looked potentially very dangerous, barring the one where the guy tried to jump out of the tackle - because that would have been self caused by that player if he got hurt. Based on what i see it does seem dangerous and hence wrong. To me I do judge (for want of a better word) on an if. To draw an analogy it is like someone having too many to drink and then driving. Using your if logic applied to this analogy one should not crucify them because it didnt happen only IF it happens do we judge them.
There is a line that Rioli should, and I believe he does, know he can't cross.
Agree with you on this one. Rio seemed like a nice guy use to bump into him when he was at South Freo, couldnt beleive that he wasnt a top draft pick that year, won Souths the flag in 97 with his silky skills and good hands only got a few kicks in the fp but was pure class. Ken Judge was sitting nearby watching the game and I thought he would have picked up Rio for sure based on that performance. Was rapped when we got him. I know a lot of people laughed when Sheedy said he could be like Voss if he got his fitness right, and I reckon he would have been every bit as good as Vossy had he done so.
Longy413
5 Aug 2005, 20:43
A couple of tackles i've seen looked potentially very dangerous, barring the one where the guy tried to jump out of the tackle - because that would have been self caused by that player if he got hurt. Based on what i see it does seem dangerous and hence wrong. To me I do judge (for want of a better word) on an if. To draw an analogy it is like someone having too many to drink and then driving. Using your if logic applied to this analogy one should not crucify them because it didnt happen only IF it happens do we judge them.
That's a (un)fair analogy.
There are plenty of the aspects of the game that are potentially very dangerous. Rioli's tackling only becomes one of them IF his opponent jumps. Rioli goes low and his aim is to roll the player on his side, not lift him onto his head.
As i said before i appreciate the game has many dangerous aspects but for me this one appears to carry too much risk. we'll have to agree to disagree.
Longy413
5 Aug 2005, 20:51
As i said before i appreciate the game has many dangerous aspects but for me this one appears to carry too much risk. we'll have to agree to disagree.
The one thing in footy you cannot control is what others do. You can't tell Rioli to change his technique based on what someone may or may not do. Although I suspect the way he has gone about his tackling may cause a few blokes to think twice before taking him on.
On a side note, I'd rather he tried to pin the arms anyway.