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Anyone catch the brief shot of the Australian dressing room right near the start of play? Methinks Shaun Tait had been busy. :D
Anyone catch the brief shot of the Australian dressing room right near the start of play? Methinks Shaun Tait had been busy. :D
No,but i did catch the score at stumps, :)
Vic Crow
12 Aug 2005, 13:09
That was the first time all series that I turned the TV in my bedroom off during play. Normally I'll wake up through the night and keep getting scores or just watch the whole thing but that was just unbearable. I woke up at one stage to see Hayden drop a catch in first slip that bounced off his chest. That was the point I turned my telly off. :(
SpringChoke
12 Aug 2005, 13:58
I would say there are a few careers on the line in the next 2.5 tests.
For the record my ins and outs for the fourth test:
OUT: Gillespie, Martyn ( retire )
IN: Kaspa, Hussey.
After this tour, we have to start blooding some youngsters.
Vic Crow
12 Aug 2005, 14:07
I would say there are a few careers on the line in the next 2.5 tests.
For the record my ins and outs for the fourth test:
OUT: Gillespie, Martyn ( retire )
IN: Kaspa, Hussey.
After this tour, we have to start blooding some youngsters.
I doubt it will be Hussey. People keep talking about him (and don't get me wrong he is my favourite player) but he isn't in the squad and I don't see them picking someone outside the squad. Hodge would probably be the next batter in line. I've been getting very impatient with Matthew Hayden.
If there are any dead rubbers in this series then surely we will see the debut of Tait.
apollo_creed
12 Aug 2005, 14:17
I would say there are a few careers on the line in the next 2.5 tests.
For the record my ins and outs for the fourth test:
OUT: Gillespie, Martyn ( retire )
IN: Kaspa, Hussey.
After this tour, we have to start blooding some youngsters.
I'm a big Backs fan and parachial supporter of SA cricketers so I hope it's ok for me to post in here, but anyway. :cool:
Kaspa's old.
Tait's younger and better.
Serves Australia's best interests in both the short and long term to play Tait.
As for Martyn? Pretty harsh man.
Hayden's been diabolical for a LONG while and should make way miles before anyone. In both forms he's more than struggling, he's older than Martyn and I think his time is up. Hayden's barron run's is far worse than the one that cost Darren his place in the Aussie team, and if all was fair he should've been gone a couple of test matches ago.
Promote Katich to opener bring in Hodge (Hussey isn't in the squad and Hodge has earn't his spot and has waited patiently for a while), making Langer-Katich-Ponting-Martyn-Hodge-Clarke.
We all know the middle are just warming the seats for Cal Ferguson's arrival in a couple of years. :)
Crowked
12 Aug 2005, 14:21
I would say there are a few careers on the line in the next 2.5 tests.
For the record my ins and outs for the fourth test:
OUT: Gillespie, Martyn ( retire )
IN: Kaspa, Hussey.
After this tour, we have to start blooding some youngsters.
I wouldnt be dropping Martyn, not before Katich anyway. Old Dizzy looks like he's come to the end of the road though.
For the life of me I cant work out why Australia doesnt play an all rounder. We have at least 2 to pick from in Symonds and Watson. IMO Symonds is pretty bloody close to the best all round cricketer in the world, yet isnt even in the selectors minds at all when it come to test matches. If he were played in Katich's spot you have a batsman at least equal to Katch IMO (mind you, I think Katich is pretty crap by international standards), a fair to good medium pace and spin bowler, and the world best fielder. The over all package of Symonds is miles ahead of Katich IMO, I cant see why they persist with him.
I have a feeling the Aussies might fire up a bit tonight, and not before time, we've been less than ordinary so far.
Markthirtytwo
12 Aug 2005, 14:34
Looks like the entire side have put Port power gurnseys on they're travelling so bad.
Yes saw the Crows flag flying high on the Aussie dressing room window. ;)
Markthirtytwo
12 Aug 2005, 14:37
I wouldnt be dropping Martyn, not before Katich anyway. Old Dizzy looks like he's come to the end of the road though.
For the life of me I cant work out why Australia doesnt play an all rounder. We have at least 2 to pick from in Symonds and Watson. IMO Symonds is pretty bloody close to the best all round cricketer in the world, yet isnt even in the selectors minds at all when it come to test matches. If he were played in Katich's spot you have a batsman at least equal to Katch IMO (mind you, I think Katich is pretty crap by international standards), a fair to good medium pace and spin bowler, and the world best fielder. The over all package of Symonds is miles ahead of Katich IMO, I cant see why they persist with him.
I have a feeling the Aussies might fire up a bit tonight, and not before time, we've been less than ordinary so far.
Apparently Symonds is over there playing for a country side and slammed a quick fire century on this ground last week.
But saying that they have been tried before and failed at test level.
It's only been this tour that things have not been going well. But it's not over yet.
dyertribe
12 Aug 2005, 14:56
Not trying to be funny here, but the current touring party reminds me very much of this year's reigning Premier.
Far too arrogant and cocky, writing cheques with their mouths that their bodies can't cash and despite the squad ageing at a rate of knots, the selectors seem determined not to inject any significant fresh blood - instead hoping and waiting for a stack of old and out-of-form passengers to come good.
Yes saw the Crows flag flying high on the Aussie dressing room window. ;)
Glad someone else noticed!
Crowked
12 Aug 2005, 15:43
Apparently Symonds is over there playing for a country side and slammed a quick fire century on this ground last week.
But saying that they have been tried before and failed at test level.
It's only been this tour that things have not been going well. But it's not over yet.
Yeh I know they have tried Symonds before and it didnt go very well, but IMO he is worth another go. There have been quite a few in the past who have been given more opportunity despite not having half of Symonds natural talent. If he hits his straps, he has the potential to be match winner with bat, ball and in the field.
I havent given up hope on our side winning this test or the series, in fact I still think we will prevail in the end. I dont think the structure of our team is as good as it could be though. I think we lack bowling depth, and our fielding is deteriorating, with the exception of Ponting, Clarke and Martyn our fielding is poor at best. I believe Symonds is part of the answer in all of our deficiencies. I'd like to see Ponting come out and ask the selectors to give him a go, like he did before we won the World Cup on the back of Symonds finding his feet in that version of the game.
macca23
12 Aug 2005, 16:15
Not trying to be funny here, but the current touring party reminds me very much of this year's reigning Premier.
Far too arrogant and cocky, writing cheques with their mouths that their bodies can't cash and despite the squad ageing at a rate of knots, the selectors seem determined not to inject any significant fresh blood - instead hoping and waiting for a stack of old and out-of-form passengers to come good.
Amen to the above.
I've been saying exactly that myself in recent times.
IMO we are definitly witnessing a changing of the guard, be it this series or the next.
There seems to me to be a couple of reasons why we are struggling:
1. Age. Clearly we are too old and have not blooded enough young players, particularly in the bowling areas.
2. Complacency. Bottom line is we stopped improving. Sport is like a mountain, you're either going up or going down. We stopped going up and thought we could sit still. Against crap opposition you can do that, but we have tried to maintain the status quo for too long (see playing of Kaspa).
3. Arrogance. Rumour has it that we barely do any fielding practice. Our fielding has been ********e for some time now and I even remember Ponting calling for some extra fielding sessions earlier this year (or was it last year). At the time I remember wondering why extra were needed. Surely every training has some fielding components.
4. Tactics. Or lack of. It seems to me that we are going out to bowl with very few specific plans. Lets see, um Vaughan....try and bowl him. Ok that's a small plan that has worked a bit. Can anyone think of any others? It seems like we are basically setting the same field for each batsman and bowling the same deliveries. England on the other hand have distinct plans and are working to them beautifully (Kind of like NZ did to us in Aust a few years ago).
I'm afraid I can't see us winning the Ashes from here (hope I'm wrong). Worse I can't see us winning next time either (with McGrath and Warne unlikely to still be playing).
Damn I hate this!
Blue_Crow
12 Aug 2005, 16:33
You guys are amazing - we won the first test in a canter, lost the second by the second smallest possible margin, and had a bad day in the field yesterday - and it is now apparently all gloom and doom - unbelievable!
The poms are playing fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants cricket at the moment and having some luck and it is coming off - that happens from time to time. We are still a more all round better and more consistent team. The australian team at its best has always carried some players from test to test and always will, because someone else steps up - and this will continue to happen. We are not streets ahead the best team in the world for nothing - have some faith in some pretty good quality cricketers.
Punchy Bassett
12 Aug 2005, 16:33
Just a quick note on Symmo think there are a few people being tough on him, don't forget where he got his one and only go at test match cricket, was in Sri Lanka with that person bowling on very spinner friendly tracks (and lets face it a lot of us dont think that person should be allowed to play but that is for another time) so I honestly think Symmo was ditched well before he should have been. Look at Flintoff and the Wannbe Pom (sorry Noddy) they have shown what difference a big hitter in the middle order can do. Imagine if Gilly and Symmo both got going at once in a test match? Sorry rant over now! :)
just maybe
12 Aug 2005, 17:40
Symonds lacks the technique for Test cricket and his bowling is not suited to long spells.
Watson would be a far better option - excellent batsman and useful change fast-medium seamer.
Either way, pretending everything OK is what's got us into this problem in the first place, and a good side will deal with the cracks as they begin to appear. The fact is we have lost a 'live' Test, something rare as hen's teeth with this Australian side.
Since 'ghost captain' Lehmann's departure, Ponting's captaincy has gone downhill like a boulder, he is a useless captain. Honestly - he has no plans, is a completely reactive tactician and a poor judge of the state of play. His batting form has slid even faster, to the point where he is no longer dependable - he is just average.
Hayden's arrogance has got the better of him and he seriously needs to be dropped so he can learn he has to fight his way back. I can't believe anyone is talking of dropping Martyn after his performances of recent times. And as for Katich...how did this hack even get a Test in the first place?
Chops18
12 Aug 2005, 18:16
Anyone catch the brief shot of the Australian dressing room right near the start of play? Methinks Shaun Tait had been busy. :D
Yeah did see that dizzy might of given taity a hand b4 the game.
i know this isnt the board 4 cricket but can someone tell me why the hell was stuart clarke chosen to come in and replace lee over tait :confused:
Not trying to be funny here, but the current touring party reminds me very much of this year's reigning Premier.
Far too arrogant and cocky, writing cheques with their mouths that their bodies can't cash and despite the squad ageing at a rate of knots, the selectors seem determined not to inject any significant fresh blood - instead hoping and waiting for a stack of old and out-of-form passengers to come good.
Generally the conservative selection policy has served Australia well. Players that have gone through form slumps have often rebounded back with avengence. Martyn last year is a classic example of that.
If they stick to that precendent, then guys with proud records like Hayden and Gillespie are going to be given plenty of leeway.
But perhaps the fact that we're now playing a team that can punish us for carrying passengers might change that policy. If we lose this test, I'd be swinging the axe.
Truck Rutten
12 Aug 2005, 20:13
Yeah did see that dizzy might of given taity a hand b4 the game.
i know this isnt the board 4 cricket but can someone tell me why the hell was stuart clarke chosen to come in and replace lee over tait :confused:
Dizzy is a Western Bulldogs supporter
Markthirtytwo
13 Aug 2005, 12:07
Amen to the above.
I've been saying exactly that myself in recent times.
IMO we are definitly witnessing a changing of the guard, be it this series or the next.
Before the next series, we have to play one test and three one dayers against the best of the rest of the world.
In these present times that could be the most embarrassing games we ever play. :o :o
Markthirtytwo
13 Aug 2005, 12:11
i know this isnt the board 4 cricket but can someone tell me why the hell was stuart clarke chosen to come in and replace lee over tait :confused:
The selectors stated that Clarke has played one game recently in a county game and took a few wickets. Shaun hasnt played for nearly a month and needs more time in the middle. Thats their words.
Why take him over there as they knew the schedule. The are acting like old Australian cricket players with that attitude.
Kane McGoodwin
13 Aug 2005, 14:05
Symonds lacks the technique for Test cricket and his bowling is not suited to long spells.
Watson would be a far better option - excellent batsman and useful change fast-medium seamer.
I agree Symonds is not up to Test standard as a batsman & Watson is more likely as an allrounder. Important not to confuse ODI & Test ability.
Either way, pretending everything OK is what's got us into this problem in the first place, and a good side will deal with the cracks as they begin to appear. The fact is we have lost a 'live' Test, something rare as hen's teeth with this Australian side.
Since 'ghost captain' Lehmann's departure, Ponting's captaincy has gone downhill like a boulder, he is a useless captain. Honestly - he has no plans, is a completely reactive tactician and a poor judge of the state of play. His batting form has slid even faster, to the point where he is no longer dependable - he is just average.
Hayden's arrogance has got the better of him and he seriously needs to be dropped so he can learn he has to fight his way back. I can't believe anyone is talking of dropping Martyn after his performances of recent times. And as for Katich...how did this hack even get a Test in the first place?
Yep, the Aussies could do with Boof for 2 reasons.
1. As you say, Punter's captaincy is looking suspect now that it is actually being put to the test. Decisions such as bowling 1st in the 2nd test match & bowling Warne late in the 1st innings of this test have been poor. He seems too robotic & not able to adapt his strategies to the situation at hand. Seems to effecting his batting form too.
PS The best captain in the current side would be Warne & I would like him to be offering Ricky more advice. Anyone else notice that there appears to be tension between Warney & Gilly, which cannot be helping matters.
2. Boof's stability would be ver handy in the middle order at the moment, given only Langer looks in form out of the top-order. Hodge must be a chance to come in for the next test if the batsmen don't fire up in the 2nd innings.
Dizzy must be dropped also. His confidence is shattered. Not only is he not getting wickets, but he is releasing the pressure for the English batsman as they know the can feast off his bowling. The Selectors have got it wrong.
Chops18
13 Aug 2005, 14:48
Dizzy is a Western Bulldogs supporter
:eek:
Well i wont hold that completey against him but he has fallen out of favour with me now :D .
Nah hes still a champ
dyertribe
13 Aug 2005, 14:55
The poms are playing fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants cricket at the moment and having some luck and it is coming off - that happens from time to time. We are still a more all round better and more consistent team.
You underrate England just as criminally as you overrate us.
When will you be prepared to push the panic button? When England actually take the series?
just maybe
13 Aug 2005, 15:32
You underrate England just as criminally as you overrate us.
When will you be prepared to push the panic button? When England actually take the series?
When will we bite the bullet and admit we made a mistake and ask Lehmann to come out of retirement. He is over there commentating.
Despite lack of match practice he would still be a better bet to make runs than most of our batsmen, and his tactical nous would be well...vital!
ignoranus
13 Aug 2005, 16:49
There is a great line by Peter Roebuck in today's smh. He is also calling for Dizzy's demise.
Tait is the obvious replacement. Until his heroics with the bat, Kasprowicz had a quiet match at Edgbaston. He lacked the bite off the pitch that turns a useful delivery into a wicket-taker. Tait is young and fast and swings the ball late. He is also inconsistent and sometimes it is cheaper to accompany Mrs Mugabe to Harrods.
(source: http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/gillespie-should-be-the-first-to-go/2005/08/12/1123353505452.html)
It sounded funny but I didn't understand the reference so had to look it up.
Mrs Mugabe (the 79 y/o Presidents 38 y/o wife) spent UK pounds 11 million in one single shopping expedition to Harrods (in the cursed England!) last year, creating an all-time record at Harrods. Half the booty was stolen at Harare airport on her return and they couldn't do anything to publicise thew theft, for obvious reasons! What staggers you here is the rank indifference of the snouts-in-the-trough brigade to the unmitigated suffering of millions of their own people.
(source: http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/11184.htm)
Nige_Bix
13 Aug 2005, 18:41
Basically as it has been implied earlier, we are lacking hunger and despite the prestige of winning the ashes it seems as though something is lacking with the side. Ater missing out on the ashes on the past 8 occasions England are hungry and desperate -we aren't - so add that to the arrogance and big-headdedness [if thats a word] and its a recipe for disaster in an aging squad. To me only Brett Lee and Shane Warne seem to playing with any consistent desperation and respect for the opposition. It pains me to see how Dizzy is going - I think he started struggling half way throughy the Paki tour - I would hope he is carying an injury - if not his future is limited!
After that rain delay yesterday I have never seen our bowling look as ordinary and 2nd class as it did then - and that included Lee and Warne - I'd say arrogance and cockiness got the better of Flintoff -he was having it so easy!
It was a kick in the teeth for Shaun Tait to have Clarke added to the squad - oh he's from NSW - of course!! I can't believe they would do that to a player in the squad - makes you worry about our future if thats the decison making mentality.
Too many of our batters are getting out to soft dismissals and dont seem to be able to tough it out and basically overall we are just going through the motions - remember Glenn McGraths's 5-0 prediction!
One can only hope that with 2 and half tests left we can see some better application and execution in all forms of the game and try and put England on to the back foot - because thats where they have us!
SpringChoke
15 Aug 2005, 18:12
Hmmmm I can't help but wonder if Vaughan should have settled for a lead of 350-375. The decision not to bowl an extra 10-15 overs at us last night may prove costly - christ, I hope so.
Markthirtytwo
15 Aug 2005, 18:22
Hmmmm I can't help but wonder if Vaughan should have settled for a lead of 350-375. The decision not to bowl an extra 10-15 overs at us last night may prove costly - christ, I hope so.
Yes my sentiments as well.
Truck Rutten
15 Aug 2005, 18:24
Hmmmm I can't help but wonder if Vaughan should have settled for a lead of 350-375. The decision not to bowl an extra 10-15 overs at us last night may prove costly - christ, I hope so.
Unlike a pom to take the conservative option isn't it :D
Markthirtytwo
15 Aug 2005, 18:26
You underrate England just as criminally as you overrate us.
When will you be prepared to push the panic button? When England actually take the series?
Agreed. We look like the poms have been for the last 15 years.
And the rumour about a tiff between Warne and Ponting. Doesnt help.
Nearly everyone is out of form and must find it quickly or else the urn has been lost.
ignoranus
15 Aug 2005, 18:27
Was hoping for rain but unfortunately it looks fairly clear.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/24hr.shtml?world=0009
SpringChoke
15 Aug 2005, 21:23
I just did a search on "whingeing pom" in google and Boycotts ugly mug came up. Disgraceful commentator, i'm sure the Pommies would be embarrassed by him. Don't get me wrong, love the English, love their sense of humour but despise Sir Geoffrey.
We need to be 1 for at lunch to have any chance.
Kane McGoodwin
15 Aug 2005, 22:46
I just did a search on "whingeing pom" in google and Boycotts ugly mug came up. Disgraceful commentator, i'm sure the Pommies would be embarrassed by him. Don't get me wrong, love the English, love their sense of humour but despise Sir Geoffrey.
We need to be 1 for at lunch to have any chance.
Well we are 2 wickets down at lunch, so need Ponting &/or Martyn to bat out most of the remaining overs.
Never in doubt boys, never in doubt.
SpringChoke
16 Aug 2005, 09:42
Phew. Got out of jail. Anyone have any changes for the 4th test. IMO Gillespie has to go and make way for Kaspa or Tait. I would prefer Tait but the selectors will probably go for the experience of Kaspa. You don't blood new guys when the ashes are still on the line.
As for our batting, maybe Warne and Lee should be opening. Again, I don't think wholesale changes will be made when the ashes are still up for grabs but I would have thought Martyn, Hayden and Katich would be looking over their shoulder. Continue on with this form, and for Martyn and Langer, this series could be their last.
Markthirtytwo
16 Aug 2005, 09:43
Whew, that was close, but at least some of the lucky ones went our way.
On a more concerned note, I know there is a rumour about a tiff between Warne and Ponting, but to my observation the one who is showing signs of strain is Gilley.
Apart from his missed catches and poor fielding and shot choice (everyone has a bad game or two) both his boldy language and lack of "Bowling Shane" or Beauty Warna", just wasnt there.
Whether something is going on and it's not a happy little camp at the minute, but it is affecting his performance IMO.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Well done to the Aussies & has there ever been a tail wag so strongly as the Australian one ??
Forget about the top order or the bowlers deciding this series it will be down to dropped catches & how well the Aussie tail bats.
Australia now in the box seat to retain the ashes. :(
Markthirtytwo
16 Aug 2005, 09:59
Well done to the Aussies & has there ever been a tail wag so strongly as the Australian one ??
Forget about the top order or the bowlers deciding this series it will be down to dropped catches & how well the Aussie tail bats.
Australia now in the box seat to retain the ashes. :(
Not if what I discussed isnt nipped in the bud. :mad:
Not if what I discussed isnt nipped in the bud. :mad:
If i know the English press they would have made a bloody great mountain out of a mole-hill.
Maybe Warne might have questioned Pontings decision to bowl first just like any senior player should but to call it a blood bath by the press is probably way over the top.
ignoranus
16 Aug 2005, 11:41
Phew. Got out of jail. Anyone have any changes for the 4th test. IMO Gillespie has to go and make way for Kaspa or Tait. I would prefer Tait but the selectors will probably go for the experience of Kaspa. You don't blood new guys when the ashes are still on the line.
Sounds pretty much like the dilemma facing the Crows selectors with Clarke and Maric! They'll always go for experience in situations like this. I'd like to see them show some guts and go for Tait though. He may well be a match winner and wasn't he leading wicket taker in Sheffield last year? (or whatever it is called these days). So he can't be too shabby. Kasper is on his last legs as a bowler as well at 33. Swapping grandma for grandpa! Tait can also swing the ball and it is very obvious that is what we need in those conditions. England are bowling fantastic swing bowling. And Flintoff - what a find for the Poms. Amazing we are still in it considering how badly many of our guns are playing.
SpringChoke
16 Aug 2005, 12:01
Well done to the Aussies & has there ever been a tail wag so strongly as the Australian one ??
Forget about the top order or the bowlers deciding this series it will be down to dropped catches & how well the Aussie tail bats.
Australia now in the box seat to retain the ashes. :(
I beg to differ Nod. I reckon we are still looking very shaky. I thought England pretty much dominated the whole match and if it wasn't for Ponting, Lee and Warne you would have won in a canter. Too much is being left too to few in the Aussie camp. If we play like we did in the last 2 tests I predict a result of 2-1 in Englands favour.
Crowked
16 Aug 2005, 13:26
IMO Gillespie has to go and make way for Kaspa or Tait. I would prefer Tait but the selectors will probably go for the experience of Kaspa. You don't blood new guys when the ashes are still on the line.
I think Tait should get a crack. Kasper, like Gillespie has bowled very ordinary so far. I think its time to take a punt on the young gun. At the very least he is new and different. If they go with Kasper, they might as well retain Dizzy.
I think you can blood young guys without risking too much, after all the English batsmen probably arent as aware of his strengths or faults. IIRC Flintoff is playing his first Ashes series and is killing us. Who knows what Tait might produce, he's quick and he's unpredictable. Unlike Kasper who is almost guarenteed to end up with Dizzy's 1 for 120 off 12 overs, such is his straight up and down, slow to medium pace averageness.
Give the kid a crack, I say!
Vic Crow
16 Aug 2005, 14:32
Man that was an exciting finish. I stayed up all night watching it and couldn't get to sleep afterwards because of how pumped I was.
I think it's inevitable that Dizzy is dropped and like many have said I would prefer for Tait to come into the team but suspect it will be Kasper.
I would also really like to see Hayden dropped for Hodge. Hayden has been damn ordinary and Hodge can open the batting with Langer.
Kane McGoodwin
16 Aug 2005, 14:33
Phew. Got out of jail. Anyone have any changes for the 4th test. IMO Gillespie has to go and make way for Kaspa or Tait. I would prefer Tait but the selectors will probably go for the experience of Kaspa. You don't blood new guys when the ashes are still on the line.
As for our batting, maybe Warne and Lee should be opening. Again, I don't think wholesale changes will be made when the ashes are still up for grabs but I would have thought Martyn, Hayden and Katich would be looking over their shoulder. Continue on with this form, and for Martyn and Langer, this series could be their last.
Dizzy should never have played this test as he is badly down on form & confidence. Either Kasper or Tait should come in - I will be ********ed off it Clarke leapfrogs either of them.
Batting is also a concern. Langer looks in form & Martyn was unlucky to get a schocker from Bucknor last night. Hayden was really struggling & I'm not convinced about Katich. Do the selectors dare break up the opening partnership? Hodge should come in, but who for? Katich or open with him & drop Hayden?
Gilly needs to lift his all-round game too. I think you will find it is him who doesn't get on with Warney (not Punter). Even though Ponting played a superb knock, I don't believe he is a strong enough personality to control the Warne/Gilly situation & is not great with strategy.
Punchy Bassett
16 Aug 2005, 15:24
Tait for Dizzy :( Sad to see Dizzy in his current form, Hodge for Katich assuming Clarke is fit enough to play. Anyone got a list of the full squad and Aussies in county cricket? Someone might spring from nowhere and get a game the way some of our boys are playing :o
Stinger...
16 Aug 2005, 15:39
My mail is that Tait wont play another game on tour...he has tendonitis in his shoulder apparently!
So i would say, it will be Kaspa for Dizzy and Hodge for Katich IMO!
SpringChoke
16 Aug 2005, 15:50
Dizzy should never have played this test as he is badly down on form & confidence. Either Kasper or Tait should come in - I will be ********ed off it Clarke leapfrogs either of them.
Batting is also a concern. Langer looks in form & Martyn was unlucky to get a schocker from Bucknor last night. Hayden was really struggling & I'm not convinced about Katich. Do the selectors dare break up the opening partnership? Hodge should come in, but who for? Katich or open with him & drop Hayden?
Gilly needs to lift his all-round game too. I think you will find it is him who doesn't get on with Warney (not Punter). Even though Ponting played a superb knock, I don't believe he is a strong enough personality to control the Warne/Gilly situation & is not great with strategy.
Yeah I heard the same thing. I think it was becuase Gilly didn't come out and publically support him after the diet pill scandal at the last world cup. Imagine that a teammate not supporting poor victimised warney after his stupidity and vanity could have quite easily cost us the WC.
Does anyone know how old Hodge is - baggy green site is sh*t? It would be nice to see some youth brought in instead of a 30 year old for a 30 something yeah old. Our stocks of potential test cricketers in the under 30's category looks a little thin at the moment. Just for the record, I don't believe Shane Watson is a test cricketer.
Markthirtytwo
16 Aug 2005, 18:24
Yeah I heard the same thing. I think it was becuase Gilly didn't come out and publically support him after the diet pill scandal at the last world cup. Imagine that a teammate not supporting poor victimised warney after his stupidity and vanity could have quite easily cost us the WC.
What I said earlier, he has up until now been backing Warnes bowling with encouragement with his comments. Its only now that I have been missed it.
WIll watch with interest next test.
Vic Crow
16 Aug 2005, 18:33
Does anyone know how old Hodge is - baggy green site is sh*t? It would be nice to see some youth brought in instead of a 30 year old for a 30 something yeah old. Our stocks of potential test cricketers in the under 30's category looks a little thin at the moment. Just for the record, I don't believe Shane Watson is a test cricketer.
Unfortunately from memory I think Hodge is 30 years old. I do know that he is no spring chicken. A baggy green on his head is so far overdue that it's ridiculous. If he doesn't play in the next test I'm going to write a letter to parliament!
Anyone got a list of the full squad and Aussies in county cricket? Someone might spring from nowhere and get a game the way some of our boys are playing
This is our touring squad. I don't have a list of players playing county
Ricky Ponting (captain)
Adam Gilchrist (vice-captain)
Michael Clarke
Jason Gillespie
Brad Haddin
Matthew Hayden
Brad Hodge
Justin Langer
Michael Kasprowicz
Simon Katich
Brett Lee
Stuart MacGill
Damien Martyn
Glenn McGrath
Shaun Tait
Shane Warne
Stuart Clark
And here are all the others playing county cricket according to baggygreen:
Andy Bichel
Michael Di Venuto
Matthew Elliott
Murray Goodwin
Ian Harvey
David Hussey
Mike Hussey
Phil Jaques
Stuart Law
Mick Lewis
Martin Love
Jon Moss
Ashley Noffke
Chris Rogers
Andrew Symonds
Dominic Thornely
Shane Watson
Damien Wright
snakebite01
16 Aug 2005, 21:02
Out of that list VicCrow, I'd like to see Symonds in for Katich.
He never really got a proper go in the test arena but he undoubtedly has the talent to be the matchwinner that we don't have at the minute apart from Warney.
He can't bat any worse than the Kat Attack is, he can be used as a 5th bowler with variety and his spark in the field may give a few others a kick up the arse. Plus Tait in for Dizzy.
The inclusions of Symonds and Tait for Dizzy and Kat will give us a massive boost in terms of enthusiasm for a team which is sorely lacking that at the moment.
As noddy said though the Aussies are definitely in the box seat - only need to win 1 out of 2 to retain the Ashes.
outback jack
16 Aug 2005, 23:26
My mail is that Tait wont play another game on tour...he has tendonitis in his shoulder apparently!
So i would say, it will be Kaspa for Dizzy and Hodge for Katich IMO!
there is no such thing as tendonitis, so if he has a shoulder problem that will not be good news for his longterm outlook.
just maybe
16 Aug 2005, 23:36
there is no such thing as tendonitis
Better tell the doctors they're all wrong, outback jack knows the score :rolleyes:
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/a/tendonitis.htm
outback jack
16 Aug 2005, 23:43
i think the main problem is the character of some of the batsman we have. . We have a few players who make runs while its nice and easy making their averages look ok, and really till yesterday pointing has been a regular at this.
Ppl keep talking about youth but cricket isnt like footy where ideally you play youth in the hope of improving and collecting high picks at the same time to have a successful 5yr period. Youth should be slowly intergraded. Atm we have a middle order with not alot of spine, and since SW and DL have retired and been sacked, there is no one to collect the slack. So many times these guys stuck around when the others fell around them. DL more so in the one dayers, and SW in the tests. We need some more steel in them who try fight for their wickets
and on the bowling side of things, i think playing with four bowlers (3 quicks) is starting to show now they are slipping a bit. Shane Watson is definitely not the answer to this. Possibly the worse allrounder going around. Very average with the bat and since his stress fractures pretty average with the ball too.
and shane warne should definitely of been captain, too late now, but he got a couple of one dayers a few yrs back and was ultra attacking without being stupid. In one dayers esp, if we get a country on the rope, pointing brings in the third stringers no matter what, instead of just trying to finish them off.
outback jack
16 Aug 2005, 23:53
Better tell the doctors they're all wrong, outback jack knows the score :rolleyes:
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/sportsmedicine/a/tendonitis.htm
:)
actually although you meant this as a piece of sarcasm, the article itself explains it quite well, in that often lots of things are labeled as tendonitis, mainly due to the reason behind the pain not being known. So it limits an athlete. Its fine saying that overuse, but for someone like tait he needs to do the work to get to the level he wants to. It is basically saying that his shoulder for a reason we do not know is unable to take the load that the other fast bowlers can. And also shoulder injuries are bad news, lets hope it is simply a development thing that will go as his body matures.
If i know the English press they would have made a bloody great mountain out of a mole-hill.
But, looking at Ponting's ability to get his team out of that mess, they'll now make a molehill out of a mountain.
Anyone catch the brief shot of the Australian dressing room right near the start of play? :D
Was that the Australian dressing room? I saw a large bit of Australian bunting and then, draped over one side, an Adelaide Crows flag.
Beautiful.
SpringChoke
17 Aug 2005, 09:27
Unfortunately from memory I think Hodge is 30 years old. I do know that he is no spring chicken. A baggy green on his head is so far overdue that it's ridiculous. If he doesn't play in the next test I'm going to write a letter to parliament!
This is our touring squad. I don't have a list of players playing county
Ricky Ponting (captain)
Adam Gilchrist (vice-captain)
Michael Clarke
Jason Gillespie
Brad Haddin
Matthew Hayden
Brad Hodge
Justin Langer
Michael Kasprowicz
Simon Katich
Brett Lee
Stuart MacGill
Damien Martyn
Glenn McGrath
Shaun Tait
Shane Warne
Stuart Clark
And here are all the others playing county cricket according to baggygreen:
Andy Bichel
Michael Di Venuto
Matthew Elliott
Murray Goodwin
Ian Harvey
David Hussey
Mike Hussey
Phil Jaques
Stuart Law
Mick Lewis
Martin Love
Jon Moss
Ashley Noffke
Chris Rogers
Andrew Symonds
Dominic Thornely
Shane Watson
Damien Wright
Thanks mate..
ignoranus
17 Aug 2005, 10:39
Just noticed Hodge is a right hand bat.
The right handers seem to be able to cope slightly better with the reverse swing than the left handers so maybe he'll get a go. Let's face it - if Warne can be one of our best batsmen it can't be that bad.
ignoranus
20 Aug 2005, 20:55
When I was listening to the Crows game today on ABC radio they said word from the Australian dressing room was that Tait was a certainty to play in the next test since he could bowl reverse swinging yorkers. No mention of him carrying an injury.
SpringChoke
24 Aug 2005, 21:17
Tait in :) , McGrath out :(
Vic Crow
24 Aug 2005, 23:19
I'm pretty sure they're giving McGrath until match time to get up for it. I was just listening to SEN and they were talking cricket and it was all about McGrath being doubtful.
Markthirtytwo
25 Aug 2005, 10:31
Tait in :) , McGrath out :(
No Tait's in to replace Dizzy. If the pidgeon does not play (he's a 50/50 up until game time) then Kaspa will take his place.
Kane McGoodwin
25 Aug 2005, 10:37
No Tait's in to replace Dizzy. If the pidgeon does not play (he's a 50/50 up until game time) then Kaspa will take his place.
Yeah, it will be Tait for Dizzy. Hopefully McGrath pulls up OK. Selectors should have brought in Hodge IMO.
Vic Crow
25 Aug 2005, 12:43
Selectors should have brought in Hodge IMO.
It's nice to know that it's not just Vics saying that. :p
macca23
25 Aug 2005, 13:21
Yeah, it will be Tait for Dizzy. Hopefully McGrath pulls up OK. Selectors should have brought in Hodge IMO.
Definitely should have brought in Hodge IMO. Katich is struggling his arse off against the reverse swing and is the one that should have been replaced by Hodge.
Kane McGoodwin
25 Aug 2005, 14:23
Definitely should have brought in Hodge IMO. Katich is struggling his arse off against the reverse swing and is the one that should have been replaced by Hodge.
Yep, I agree that Katich should be dropped for the reasons you have said. Hayden is not far behind, but hopefully he has some confidence after his ton in Scotland.
Really looking forward to being a couch potato tonight!
Really looking forward to being a couch potato tonight!
All these late nights are starting to take it's toll but like any good Englishman i'll just stick out the chin & soldier on. :cool:
What a test series this is & i have never ever seen an English side score runs so quickly as this one not even in 1 day games, good old Marshy. :) .
What a test series this is & i have never ever seen an English side score runs so quickly as this one not even in 1 day games, good old Marshy. :) .
After watching the first hour's play tonight, I thought to myself - whoever it was at Cricket Australia that let Dennis Lillie go as a specialist bowling coach should be told to clean out their desk. We served up some rubbish in that first hour - how many cheap runs (no balls) did we give them?
Could someone please tell me what our current Aussie coach actually does?
What is Rod Marsh doing these days?
Scott_1971
26 Aug 2005, 00:04
He's actually back here in Adelaide doing work with the Redbacks.
Vic Crow
26 Aug 2005, 02:07
Tait just took his first test wicket. Very nice late inswinging yorker to knock Trescothick over. Thought you South Aussies would like to know. :p
Markthirtytwo
26 Aug 2005, 09:56
He's actually back here in Adelaide doing work with the Redbacks.
Bit hard and being in the BBC broadcast box at Trent Bridge at the same time.
He doesnt start here until October.
Tait just took his first test wicket. Very nice late inswinging yorker to knock Trescothick over. Thought you South Aussies would like to know. :p
Was very impressed with him & it looks like the Aussies have found another one. :(
dyertribe
26 Aug 2005, 16:01
When I was listening to the Crows game today on ABC radio they said word from the Australian dressing room was that Tait was a certainty to play in the next test since he could bowl reverse swinging yorkers.
Trescothick should have listened to that webcast.
Kane McGoodwin
26 Aug 2005, 17:05
Keep the Poms under 400 on this weekend & I reckon we will go OK.
Markthirtytwo
27 Aug 2005, 12:23
Keep the Poms under 400 on this weekend & I reckon we will go OK.
What to change that one. What was it that Joe the camerman said? :mad:
Kane McGoodwin
27 Aug 2005, 15:25
What to change that one. What was it that Joe the camerman said? :mad:
With Lee getting the early wicket of fumbles, I was feeling quite good about things ... until watching Ponting just let the 6th wicket partnership get out of control.
To say we are in strife is an understatement. If ever we needed a magical Gilly knock, now is the time.
Given Hayden has done buggar all for the past year, his position must be in real doubt for future games.