M Muralitharan

[Easterner]

I see he has picked up more cheap test wickets,its time the ICC banned these dud countries,and also deleted anyone who gets wickets against them.Take his cheapies off murali and he would only have 1/2 as many as Warney. Not Happy .

[Nightmare]

I see he has picked up more cheap test wickets,its time the ICC banned these dud countries,and also deleted anyone who gets wickets against them.Take his cheapies off murali and he would only have 1/2 as many as Warney. Not Happy .

massively in agreement
however, I am almost 100% sure that no-one outside Sri Lanka thinks that Murali is better than Warne...I am pretty certain Murali doesn't. No cricket lover with any idea can possibly vote ahead of Warne as the top spinner ever

[Bartram_Class]

He can chuck a good over Murali.

[Browney]

Who cares, let him have his cheap wickets, he still bowls well against decent opposition, hes not better than Warne but hes still a damn good bowler. He throws it anyways

[Bartram_Class]

Its undisputed...........

Bradman the best batsman ever

Warney the best bowler

Murali the best thrower

[Monfries]

Murali cant choose where he was born and who he plays plus he cant control the fact his arm is crooked. When he was here for testing he is the nicest bloke you could come accross so leave him alone.

Oh and brett lee chucks but I dont see you getting all hot and steamy bout that

[Monfries]

Murali- 9 for 60 for the test well done mate :thumbsu:

[Syd Kennets]

No Ball.

[Nightmare]

Murali cant choose where he was born and who he plays plus he cant control the fact his arm is crooked. When he was here for testing he is the nicest bloke you could come accross so leave him alone.

Oh and brett lee chucks but I dont see you getting all hot and steamy bout that

Not sure anyone is after an argument...its just that Murali does play a high number of games against weaker opposition. There is no doubt the lad can bowl - certainly the biggest turner of an off break ever. Fantastic bowler despite his arm resembling a deep-fried chicken wing.

One thing I guess has to be said, is that he has never had a 500 wicket bowler (GDM) at the other end. If he had, then he would probably have taken a 1,000 by now.

[Bartram_Class]

Murali cant choose where he was born and who he plays plus he cant control the fact his arm is crooked. When he was here for testing he is the nicest bloke you could come accross so leave him alone.

Oh and brett lee chucks but I dont see you getting all hot and steamy bout that
I never said he wasnt a nice person, I'm sure he is, but the fact is his arm is bent when he comes in to bowl, arm deformity or not.

[Monfries]

Not sure anyone is after an argument...its just that Murali does play a high number of games against weaker opposition. There is no doubt the lad can bowl - certainly the biggest turner of an off break ever. Fantastic bowler despite his arm resembling a deep-fried chicken wing.

One thing I guess has to be said, is that he has never had a 500 wicket bowler (GDM) at the other end. If he had, then he would probably have taken a 1,000 by now.

yes I agree but warnie showed this series he doesnt need any pressure from the other end and can build pressure on his own which makes him so great

[Monfries]

I never said he wasnt a nice person, I'm sure he is, but the fact is his arm is bent when he comes in to bowl, arm deformity or not.
Im just saying he has a problem with his arm which makes it look suspect but hes been tested as has shioab aktahr here at UWA and they were cleared

[Nightmare]

yes I agree but warnie showed this series he doesnt need any pressure from the other end and can build pressure on his own which makes him so great

It would still be an interesting one to see the stats for Warne with GDM and without...I am sure they stack up as he is quite simply the daddy, but it would be an interesting one. I am sure Warne has got a couple of hundred on reputation so to speak, in that he builds pressure by taking the ball as most bats start logging-it when he comes to the crease.

[Bartram_Class]

Im just saying he has a problem with his arm which makes it look suspect but hes been tested as has shioab aktahr here at UWA and they were cleared
I'm sure it has, but i'm sure i'm not alone in thinking he throws the occasional ball.

[Drummond]

Murali- 9 for 60 for the test well done mate :thumbsu:
here's murali fan #1 again...go away he chucks the ball

[Renegade]

Arm not bent illegally. Can't really have a go at him for getting wickets against poor opposition. That cancels out the drug cheating that Warne does so we'll call it even between them...actually Murali has better numbers on average so Murali >>>>> Warne

[Bartram_Class]

Arm not bent illegally. Can't really have a go at him for getting wickets against poor opposition. That cancels out the drug cheating that Warne does so we'll call it even between them...actually Murali has better numbers on average so Murali >>>>> Warne
Tool, what about all the years Warney played with his Shoulder about to fall apart and his fingers all messed up. Cant see Murali having many problems pitching it baseball style, can see a career over in the MLB afterwards.

[eddiesmith]

He just played his 3rd test against Bangladesh, Warnie would have played 2 if he wasnt serving a drug ban and will get to play another couple next year

Dont blame Murali that Warney got suspended the year the Aussies played the weak opposition and then wimped out of a tour to Zimbabwe

[Drummond]

Arm not bent illegally. Can't really have a go at him for getting wickets against poor opposition. That cancels out the drug cheating that Warne does so we'll call it even between them...actually Murali has better numbers on average so Murali >>>>> Warne
You're probably the biggest tool on BigFooty. It’s quite unbelievable that you would say Murali > Warne. Complete trash.

[Drummond]

He just played his 3rd test against Bangladesh, Warnie would have played 2 if he wasnt serving a drug ban and will get to play another couple next year

Dont blame Murali that Warney got suspended the year the Aussies played the weak opposition and then wimped out of a tour to Zimbabwe
You wimped out of your World Cup match in Zimbabwe. Has that slipped your stupid, pathetic, weak, insecure mind?

[eddiesmith]

You wimped out of your World Cup match in Zimbabwe. Has that slipped your stupid, pathetic, weak, insecure mind?

And we aint complaining about someones inflated stats because our favourite player keeps finding ways to not play against them

[Cooldude]

Anyone who have watched Warnie and Murali throughout their careers cannot seriously say Murali is a better bowler than Warne

Stats are deceiving, Murali got 120 odd wickets against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, Warne only 6

Even so, there are things stats don't tell ya, Warne is superior in almost every way

[Bartram_Class]

And we aint complaining about someones inflated stats because our favourite player keeps finding ways to not play against them
I thought Flintoff held the record for most tests without playing Australia before this Ashes started????

[Drummond]

And we aint complaining about someones inflated stats because our favourite player keeps finding ways to not play against them
You were paying out the Aussie for not playing in Zim, but you did it yourself. You can't handle a good point, you are so incredibly pathetic.

[eddiesmith]

You were paying out the Aussie for not playing in Zim, but you did it yourself. You can't handle a good point, you are so incredibly pathetic.

No, I was saying you cant complain about Murali playing the minnows when Warney has had plenty of chances but due to Drugs and being scared, he hasnt.

Not attacking the Aussies for not going, just that if Murali aint scared of going to Zimbabwe then he is entitled to the wickets

[Nightmare]

I thought Flintoff held the record for most tests without playing Australia before this Ashes started????

That was a stroke of luck for you... :D

[Bartram_Class]

That was a stroke of luck for you... :D
Flintoff coudnt run a single in previous years let alone a full run up.

[Bresh]

There's no point continually coming out to attack Murali.

Everyone knows where Warne sits. On the top.

Now leave it alone.

[andrew_embley]

i have thought of this for a while as well, but get shot down when i bring it up with mates. It is amazing the amount of time Sri Lanka are scheduled (no fault of Muralis, he can only play against who they put out there) against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and the like. Easy to get wickets there.

However he is a quality bowler.

Is there any site we can get up some stats to see who both Murali and Warne have taken their wickets against?

[eddiesmith]

i have thought of this for a while as well, but get shot down when i bring it up with mates. It is amazing the amount of time Sri Lanka are scheduled (no fault of Muralis, he can only play against who they put out there) against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and the like. Easy to get wickets there.

However he is a quality bowler.

Is there any site we can get up some stats to see who both Murali and Warne have taken their wickets against?

Funny, Murali has played 3 tests against Bangladesh, Warney has missed 2 tests against them and has another 2 tests next year

Murali played against Zimbabwe last time a month or 2 before Warney was due to but the Aussies pulled out

Its not that they play them more often, its just bad luck for Warney

[Nightmare]

Flintoff coudnt run a single in previous years let alone a full run up.

Nice... :thumbsu:

Sorry, but I couldn't resist that one...!

The basics are that Warne made the top cricketers of the century because he has utterly transformed the game, practically single-handedly. The Gatt ball (if it was a pork pie he wouldn't have bowled him!!) started the aura that now surrounds the great one. Murali has never had that aura because he isn't as 'consumer-friendly' as Warney and because of his suspicious action. His stats are better than Warne on averages, but as an earlier post pointed out a massive number of those wickets have come against cheap oppo. Similar to Hayden's runs - ding ding 380. Don't remember any Aussies denying him that one when it happened....

[andrew_embley]

Funny, Murali has played 3 tests against Bangladesh, Warney has missed 2 tests against them and has another 2 tests next year

Murali played against Zimbabwe last time a month or 2 before Warney was due to but the Aussies pulled out

Its not that they play them more often, its just bad luck for Warney

fair enough. If i can see some stats (genuine question) then i'm more than happy to zip it.

[Bartram_Class]

Nice... :thumbsu:

Sorry, but I couldn't resist that one...!

The basics are that Warne made the top cricketers of the century because he has utterly transformed the game, practically single-handedly. The Gatt ball (if it was a pork pie he wouldn't have bowled him!!) started the aura that now surrounds the great one. Murali has never had that aura because he isn't as 'consumer-friendly' as Warney and because of his suspicious action. His stats are better than Warne on averages, but as an earlier post pointed out a massive number of those wickets have come against cheap oppo. Similar to Hayden's runs - ding ding 380. Don't remember any Aussies denying him that one when it happened....
380 against anyone deserves to be acclaimed, however what kind of team lets a batsman score 375 and 400 against them???? Weak stuff.

[Nightmare]

380 against anyone deserves to be acclaimed, however what kind of team lets a batsman score 375 and 400 against them???? Weak stuff.

You're good :o
I think we should probably all agree that Lara is on a higher level that Hayden however

[eddiesmith]

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Shane Warne
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
England 9309 445 3837 172 8-71 22.30 10 4
India 3925 139 2029 43 6-125 47.18 1 0
New Zealand 5770 252 2511 103 6-31 24.37 3 0
Pakistan 4051 192 1816 90 7-23 20.17 6 2
South Africa 6130 303 2257 101 7-56 22.34 6 2
Sri Lanka 3167 132 1507 59 5-43 25.54 5 2
West Indies 3284 132 1581 49 7-52 32.26 1 0
Zimbabwe 319 13 137 6 3-68 22.83 0 0

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Muttiah Muralitharan
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
Australia 3093 83 1571 50 6-59 31.42 5 1
Bangladesh 539 22 209 20 5-13 10.45 4 2
England 4611 263 1431 69 9-65 20.73 4 2
India 3822 154 1680 51 8-87 32.94 3 1
New Zealand 3216 160 1232 52 5-30 23.69 4 0
Pakistan 3743 146 1622 68 6-71 23.85 4 1
South Africa 4930 190 1914 82 7-84 23.34 8 2
West Indies 2902 123 1214 70 8-46 17.34 8 3
Zimbabwe 4721 259 1467 87 9-51 16.86 6 2

Ok, so he has played Zimbabwe alot it would seem, hard to tell with just balls bowled, but we also know Warney has missed atleast 4 tests against Zimbabwe, possibly more

[Bartram_Class]

You're good :o
I think we should probably all agree that Lara is on a higher level that Hayden however
Statiscally, I think you'll find their quite even.

[andrew_embley]

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Shane Warne
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
England 9309 445 3837 172 8-71 22.30 10 4
India 3925 139 2029 43 6-125 47.18 1 0
New Zealand 5770 252 2511 103 6-31 24.37 3 0
Pakistan 4051 192 1816 90 7-23 20.17 6 2
South Africa 6130 303 2257 101 7-56 22.34 6 2
Sri Lanka 3167 132 1507 59 5-43 25.54 5 2
West Indies 3284 132 1581 49 7-52 32.26 1 0
Zimbabwe 319 13 137 6 3-68 22.83 0 0

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Muttiah Muralitharan
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
Australia 3093 83 1571 50 6-59 31.42 5 1
Bangladesh 539 22 209 20 5-13 10.45 4 2
England 4611 263 1431 69 9-65 20.73 4 2
India 3822 154 1680 51 8-87 32.94 3 1
New Zealand 3216 160 1232 52 5-30 23.69 4 0
Pakistan 3743 146 1622 68 6-71 23.85 4 1
South Africa 4930 190 1914 82 7-84 23.34 8 2
West Indies 2902 123 1214 70 8-46 17.34 8 3
Zimbabwe 4721 259 1467 87 9-51 16.86 6 2

Ok, so he has played Zimbabwe alot it would seem, hard to tell with just balls bowled, but we also know Warney has missed atleast 4 tests against Zimbabwe, possibly more

yes it would seem

[DKA]

Oh boy.....here we go..........

Alot of people know my stance on Murali. Champion, and will be the best spinner of all time.

I agree with posters in that he should be taking the wickets against higher ranked sides, but unfortunately, he has no influence on whom the ICC pit against the country he plays for.

Wait for the Super Series.

Australia is embroiled in Warne fever at the moment, and it's definately warranted. But there will come a time where Murali shall also tear a new one into a side, that will make all take notice.

Warne, is still a damn champion, I have much respect for.

[Bartram_Class]

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Shane Warne
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
England 9309 445 3837 172 8-71 22.30 10 4
India 3925 139 2029 43 6-125 47.18 1 0
New Zealand 5770 252 2511 103 6-31 24.37 3 0
Pakistan 4051 192 1816 90 7-23 20.17 6 2
South Africa 6130 303 2257 101 7-56 22.34 6 2
Sri Lanka 3167 132 1507 59 5-43 25.54 5 2
West Indies 3284 132 1581 49 7-52 32.26 1 0
Zimbabwe 319 13 137 6 3-68 22.83 0 0

Test Bowling Against Each Opponent Muttiah Muralitharan
Opponent Balls Mdns Runs Wkts BB Ave 5wI 10wM
Australia 3093 83 1571 50 6-59 31.42 5 1
Bangladesh 539 22 209 20 5-13 10.45 4 2
England 4611 263 1431 69 9-65 20.73 4 2
India 3822 154 1680 51 8-87 32.94 3 1
New Zealand 3216 160 1232 52 5-30 23.69 4 0
Pakistan 3743 146 1622 68 6-71 23.85 4 1
South Africa 4930 190 1914 82 7-84 23.34 8 2
West Indies 2902 123 1214 70 8-46 17.34 8 3
Zimbabwe 4721 259 1467 87 9-51 16.86 6 2

Ok, so he has played Zimbabwe alot it would seem, hard to tell with just balls bowled, but we also know Warney has missed atleast 4 tests against Zimbabwe, possibly more
Look at all those cheap wickets Warney took against England.

[Nightmare]

Statiscally, I think you'll find their quite even.

But we have already established that stats can lie...Lara only played in a great Windies side for four years of his career - or at least with Walsh and Ambrose...very little batting and bowling since then in Windies cricks. I am sure you know all this anyway...Hayden has played with the two top bowlers in the world, like many Australian cricketers: I think the opening slot and a test average of 52 would be easily acheived by many others if they had that bowling attack blitzing sides.

Hayden will never get 10,000 test runs, the world record against anyone other that the Zimbos, and ever look half the player that the Prince of Trinidad does.

BC Lara averages 54 and Hayden 52

[DKA]

Warne's best against England : 8-71
Murali's best against England : 9-65

Not bad, considering thats the team that just beat Australia.

Pretty good stats pick up Eddie.

[DKA]

Lara > Hayden

How the heck can there be any question over this?

[Bartram_Class]

Lara > Hayden

How the heck can there be any question over this?
Of course, I'm just saying statistically they're quite even.

[Nightmare]

Lara > Hayden

How the heck can there be any question over this?

I know!
Yze Class said that their stats are fairly similar...I was trying to trounce

[Bartram_Class]

I know!
Yze Class said that their stats are fairly similar...I was trying to trounce
I'm not denying Lara is tons better, he is, the Ashes proved that, but their stats are quite similar, not allowing for average against England, where they would be quite a disparity.

[Nightmare]

I'm not denying Lara is tons better, he is, the Ashes proved that, but their stats are quite similar, not allowing for average against England, where they would be quite a disparity.


There is no chance - Hayden will NEVER get to 10,000 runs in tests and 9,500 in ODIs.

The boy is absolutely out of the Biffer's class

[Bartram_Class]

There is no chance - Hayden will NEVER get to 10,000 runs in tests and 9,500 in ODIs.

The boy is absolutely out of the Biffer's class
Hayden doesnt get to play against England at Antigua now does he?

[Nightmare]

Hayden doesnt get to play against England at Antigua now does he?

well spotted - your point is?

[Bartram_Class]

well spotted - your point is?
Hayden has to work for his triple-hundreds

[Nightmare]

Hayden has to work for his triple-hundreds

oh I see.
Like that beer match against Zim? 380?
cheers

[Ray Nolan]

Great to see the world's best bowler amongst the wickets again. He can't help it if he gets them against Bangladesh, he can only take wickets against the teams he gets to play against. Sri Lanka would kill for 5 Test Match series against England, West Indies, South Africa, etc, all things that Warne has been fortunate enough to have. All the bullshyte about his action is just that, bullshyte. He's been declared legal on every delivery and is within the laws of the game. That old chestnut should now be put to bed.

[Nightmare]

Great to see the world's best bowler amongst the wickets again. He can't help it if he gets them against Bangladesh, he can only take wickets against the teams he gets to play against. Sri Lanka would kill for 5 Test Match series against England, West Indies, South Africa, etc, all things that Warne has been fortunate enough to have. All the bullshyte about his action is just that, bullshyte. He's been declared legal on every delivery and is within the laws of the game. That old chestnut should now be put to bed.

snore

[Bartram_Class]

Just a question:

Are you better if you stand out in a great team or if you stand out in a bad one?

[Cooldude]

Simple question: Voss or Buckley?

[crownie]

idiots.

common sense tells anyone Lara is more gifted then Hayden.

but like Murali, Haydos could only make runs his put up against, so no one can have a dig at any of the aussies averages being generous, if you say its not an issue judging Murali.

while stats are interesting viewing people should make there own mind up deciding on whos better a guy with an average of 50 or the guy with 53.3.

Murali is a chucker, they have been very generous of how much your allowed to bend your elbow , 50 years ago he would of been banned.

[crownie]

Simple question: Voss or Buckley?


Voss

[Nightmare]

Just a question:

Are you better if you stand out in a great team or if you stand out in a bad one?

Its a good question. I would say in many sports that it is is the best players who stand out in a great side - Pele in 1970 Brazil side, par example, but cricket seems to be a bit different.

The cream always rises.

[crownie]

Just a question:

Are you better if you stand out in a great team or if you stand out in a bad one?

i dont think it matters in cricket cause you bowl and bat to the opposition, not kick to your team mates (if you know what i mean), some players in Football have to relie on the team doing well, as in cricket its more individualized.

[Bartram_Class]

idiots.

common sense tells anyone Lara is more gifted then Hayden.

but like Murali, Haydos could only make runs his put up against, so no one can have a dig at any of the aussies averages being generous, if you say its not an issue judging Murali.

while stats are interesting viewing people should make there own mind up deciding on whos better a guy with an average of 50 or the guy with 53.3.

Murali is a chucker, they have been very generous of how much your allowed to bend your elbow , 50 years ago he would of been banned.
Lara might be more gifted, but that doesnt make him better. Yze might be more gifted than Archer but not many people would say hes the better player.

[eddiesmith]

I would say a player who stands out in a ******** team. In a good team the pressure is always on the opposition from all angles. In a ******** team good players can be targeted and taken out of the game with no concern for the rest of his team

[Bartram_Class]

I would say a player who stands out in a ******** team. In a good team the pressure is always on the opposition from all angles. In a ******** team good players can be targeted and taken out of the game with no concern for the rest of his team
I see what your saying, but in a team of 11 great players, to really stand out, you have to be at a pretty high level.

[eddiesmith]

I see what your saying, but in a team of 11 great players, to really stand out, you have to be at a pretty high level.

But if you look at the Australian team over the last few years, who stands out? No one really

[Bartram_Class]

But if you look at the Australian team over the last few years, who stands out? No one really
Thats a good thing, everyone stood up at different times, showing there are(or were) a truly great even team. That is why I dont think England will ever get to the level Australia are(or were) because Flintoff is so easily your best player who does everything for you.

[Nightmare]

But if you look at the Australian team over the last few years, who stands out? No one really

I think more pertinently, the two great bowlers have stood out and with their assistance, they have made a lot of top players look like great players - Hayden, Martyn are two classic examples or very high quality cricketers who look like immense cricketers.

[Bartram_Class]

I think more pertinently, the two great bowlers have stood out and with their assistance, they have made a lot of top players look like great players - Hayden, Martyn are two classic examples or very high quality cricketers who look like immense cricketers.
I dont think you can argue Hayden isnt an Immense cricketer and has been probably our best batsman of the last 6-7 years easily and was once so easily the best batsman in the world ahead of the likes of Lara and Tendulkar who would come under the categorie of great cricketers.

[eddiesmith]

Thats a good thing, everyone stood up at different times, showing there are(or were) a truly great even team. That is why I dont think England will ever get to the level Australia are(or were) because Flintoff is so easily your best player who does everything for you.

No, the English team throughout the Ashes all stood up at different times. Yes Flintoff is our best, but the rest are so even that each innings only a couple stepped up yet we were able to put on good scores.

I reckon we will be a very good side because we have great consistency throughout our lineup. We can afford to carry a batsman or 2 and a bowler or 2 through form slumps

Will we get to the level of the Aussies? Who knows, it depends if the rest of the world start improving as well or if we meet the rest of the world at the same ******** standard they have been the last few years. Even India isnt that much of a threat atm

[Bartram_Class]

No, the English team throughout the Ashes all stood up at different times. Yes Flintoff is our best, but the rest are so even that each innings only a couple stepped up yet we were able to put on good scores.

I reckon we will be a very good side because we have great consistency throughout our lineup. We can afford to carry a batsman or 2 and a bowler or 2 through form slumps

Will we get to the level of the Aussies? Who knows, it depends if the rest of the world start improving as well or if we meet the rest of the world at the same ******** standard they have been the last few years. Even India isnt that much of a threat atm
Indias a strange one, definetly not a threat to you guys, yet you think in a country of 1 billion cricket crazy people, you could find 11 great cricketers.

[crownie]

i think the 3 for most recognised by opposition are Mcgrath, Warne and Gilchrist.

Mcgrath and Warne will probaly reach Legend status at the end of there careers.

Gillie is probaly the most entertaining batsman.

Ponting will probaly suffer in Taylor and Waughs shadow.

[Nightmare]

I dont think you can argue Hayden isnt an Immense cricketer and has been probably our best batsman of the last 6-7 years easily and was once so easily the best batsman in the world ahead of the likes of Lara and Tendulkar who would come under the categorie of great cricketers.

semantics really - all about definition of the word.

Look (a true Australianism!!! that seems to get into every interview), I have been a massive admirer/fan of Aus. cricks for a long time now and I can defo. say that Hayden is a stunningly good player - I would have to say that Waugh and Ponting have been better over the last 6-7 years - but Hayden is a real confidence, get up the pitch and lamp it straight back past the bowler type player, who thrives on confidence and making the oppo. pay dearly. He isn't the sort that would react well to tight situs. and I daresay his record will say that. Ponting, Waugh would dig in, which makes them great players whereas Hayden is a big bastard who gets in ya face.

He certainly isn't your best player for the last 6/7 years.

[Bartram_Class]

i think the 3 for most recognised by opposition are Mcgrath, Warne and Gilchrist.

Mcgrath and Warne will probaly reach Legend status at the end of there careers.

Gillie is probaly the most entertaining batsman.

Ponting will probaly suffer in Taylor and Waughs shadow.
You dont think Warney and McGrath are at Legend status atm, I think Warney definetly is, has there ever been a more popular cricketer world over?

[Bartram_Class]

semantics really - all about definition of the word.

Look (a true Australianism!!! that seems to get into every interview), I have been a massive admirer/fan of Aus. cricks for a long time now and I can defo. say that Hayden is a stunningly good player - I would have to say that Waugh and Ponting have been better over the last 6-7 years - but Hayden is a real confidence, get up the pitch and lamp it straight back past the bowler type player, who thrives on confidence and making the oppo. pay dearly. He isn't the sort that would react well to tight situs. and I daresay his record will say that. Ponting, Waugh would dig in, which makes them great players whereas Hayden is a big bastard who gets in ya face.

He certainly isn't your best player for the last 6/7 years.
Fair point you make, but if you think the one time Australia have been toppled in the last 7 years(bar now) is the India series in 2001 when Hayden was Australias player of the series under immense pressure and he proved he can still be a great player with his 130 odd in the fifth test.

[whythelongface]

semantics really - all about definition of the word.

Look (a true Australianism!!! that seems to get into every interview), I have been a massive admirer/fan of Aus. cricks for a long time now and I can defo. say that Hayden is a stunningly good player - I would have to say that Waugh and Ponting have been better over the last 6-7 years - but Hayden is a real confidence, get up the pitch and lamp it straight back past the bowler type player, who thrives on confidence and making the oppo. pay dearly. He isn't the sort that would react well to tight situs. and I daresay his record will say that. Ponting, Waugh would dig in, which makes them great players whereas Hayden is a big bastard who gets in ya face.

He certainly isn't your best player for the last 6/7 years.

Disagree with the Ponting call except for the dig in the 3rd test (or was it 4th) where he made 150+.

Too often he wilts under the pressure and he gets most of his runs when there is little pressure on. I am not doubting that he is a class batsmen I just don't believe he comes close to Waugh when he had that steely determination.

[Nightmare]

Fair point you make, but if you think the one time Australia have been toppled in the last 7 years(bar now) is the India series in 2001 when Hayden was Australias player of the series under immense pressure and he proved he can still be a great player with his 130 odd in the fifth test.


I accept that he was brilliant in India and he did play very well at the Oval. It was a tough pitch to get in on initially, but he played superbly well. I just can't put him in the same class as Punter, Waugh and possibly Gilchrist. It is a tough one and he was the leading player on the planet (stats-wise) following that tour. I just can't see him having got as many runs over the years in a weaker team, whereas Punter and Waugh would have got runs anywhere.

Andy Flower - great example of a brilliant, brilliant player that would have walked into any side in the world, and came out of test cricks with an average of over fifty in the world's worst side...(pre-Banglas)

[crownie]

You dont think Warney and McGrath are at Legend status atm, I think Warney definetly is, has there ever been a more popular cricketer world over?

dont know if Warnes popular as a bloke but he has the respect of all the cricket world.

Mcgrath will be remebered as a Legend,

funny how this series the aussies were clapping and congradulating the English when they made runs, watching the Windies series from 10 years ago that Aussie side was full of Mungrel and it was good to watch.where the team now uses a certain arrogance to intimatate the opposition.

[Nightmare]

dont know if Warnes popular as a bloke but he has the respect of all the cricket world.

Mcgrath will be remebered as a Legend,

funny how this series the aussies were clapping and congradulating the English when they made runs, watching the Windies series from 10 years ago that Aussie side was full of Mungrel and it was good to watch.where the team now uses a certain arrogance to intimatate the opposition.

Seconded

[Bartram_Class]

I accept that he was brilliant in India and he did play very well at the Oval. It was a tough pitch to get in on initially, but he played superbly well. I just can't put him in the same class as Punter, Waugh and possibly Gilchrist. It is a tough one and he was the leading player on the planet (stats-wise) following that tour. I just can't see him having got as many runs over the years in a weaker team, whereas Punter and Waugh would have got runs anywhere.

Andy Flower - great example of a brilliant, brilliant player that would have walked into any side in the world, and came out of test cricks with an average of over fifty in the world's worst side...(pre-Banglas)
Crickets mainly an individual sport when your batting so why would it be any different if he played for another less successful team??

Hayden is a class batsman who doesnt get the praise he deserves for an outstanding career at the top.

[Cooldude]

Mark Waugh's more gifted than Steve Waugh, but I'd take Steve Waugh ahead of him every time of the year

[Bartram_Class]

dont know if Warnes popular as a bloke but he has the respect of all the cricket world.

Mcgrath will be remebered as a Legend,

funny how this series the aussies were clapping and congradulating the English when they made runs, watching the Windies series from 10 years ago that Aussie side was full of Mungrel and it was good to watch.where the team now uses a certain arrogance to intimatate the opposition.
Agree with the last bit, showed in the last test when Hayden got out and as he walked off said to Flintoff "Well bowled, mate", wheres the aggression they used to show, should have told Freddie to stick it up himself.

[Nightmare]

Agree with the last bit, showed in the last test when Hayden got out and as he walked off said to Flintoff "Well bowled, mate", wheres the aggression they used to show, should have told Freddie to stick it up himself.

Yes that was good - but that is because the only side to come close to the Aussies were the Indians, and they are generally a bunch of ********ers. I mean can you imagine having a beer with the Price of Bengal? What a prick he is.

Whereas i reckon most of the Aussies and English enjoy the knocks and thus would get on much better.

Oh, as regards the Steve vs. Mark thing, I reckon everyone would take Mark's on-drive which was sex on toast, or his astonishing punches through mid-wicket, but virtually everything else you would have taken Tugs because of his sheers grit. You may take Mark at first slip however.

[crownie]

Agree with the last bit, showed in the last test when Hayden got out and as he walked off said to Flintoff "Well bowled, mate", wheres the aggression they used to show, should have told Freddie to stick it up himself.

yeah i like to see them show some sportsmans ship but you can personally congradulate them off the ground.

maybe there hunger wasnt all there, i still think that it does affect you no matter how hard you try but they had been winning for some long there would of been some complancency.

apparantly after last years grand final Brisbane players wernt affected by the grand final loss that much, im sure 3 in a row made up for it.

[eddiesmith]

Dont worry Glenn McGrath still had that mongrel in him, Warney was the only one to congratulate Pietersen on his innings when he went out and thats because they are best friends

As for not many people liking Shane, are you serious? He seems the most likely to get on with everyone out of the whole Australian team for other players around the world

[Bartram_Class]

Dont worry Glenn McGrath still had that mongrel in him, Warney was the only one to congratulate Pietersen on his innings when he went out and thats because they are best friends

As for not many people liking Shane, are you serious? He seems the most likely to get on with everyone out of the whole Australian team for other players around the world
Everybody likes Shane, its his flaws that attract people, the fact that hes not a role model and thats he actually a pretty normal Aussie bloke. He's my favourite anyway.

[Nightmare]

Everybody likes Shane, its his flaws that attract people, the fact that hes not a role model and thats he actually a pretty normal Aussie bloke. He's my favourite anyway.


He does say 'look' before answering any questions: in that he is fairly typical!!! :D

[crownie]

his not the first sportsman to have a reputation like his, espically his life outside of cricket, i think some people would not like him because of it.

but as someone said its how you look at him, a role model or a normal person who has made his mistakes.

his one of the greatest of cricket and Carey is one of the best in Football.both probaly arnt role model quality.

maybe this is the end and i agree its not a sportsmans responsibility to be a role model.

[Bartram_Class]

He does say 'look' before answering any questions: in that he is fairly typical!!! :D
Shane Warne = Best Ever Living Cricketer

[Bartram_Class]

his not the first sportsman to have a reputation like his, espically his life outside of cricket, i think some people would not like him because of it.

but as someone said its how you look at him, a role model or a normal person who has made his mistakes.

his one of the greatest of cricket and Carey is one of the best in Football.both probaly arnt role model quality.

maybe this is the end and i agree its not a sportsmans responsibility to be a role model.
Bit tough to compare him to the King, Warney didnt shag Punters wife did he?, he just has an active social life thats all.

[Nightmare]

Shane Warne = Best Ever Living Cricketer

Agreed

[crownie]

Bit tough to compare him to the King, Warney didnt shag Punters wife did he?, he just has an active social life thats all.

word is Mrs Warne isnt Mrs innocent herself.

[Bartram_Class]

word is Mrs Warne isnt Mrs innocent herself.
This is a Soap writers dream storyline.

[Nightmare]

Bit tough to compare him to the King, Warney didnt shag Punters wife did he?, he just has an active social life thats all.

There were some whispers that Slats was the father of Gilchrist's child? Is this true - anyone know the low-down?

[Cooldude]

There were some whispers that Slats was the father of Gilchrist's child? Is this true - anyone know the low-down?

It's nonsense

[Bartram_Class]

There were some whispers that Slats was the father of Gilchrist's child? Is this true - anyone know the low-down?
Did hear that, but Little Gilchrist does seem to have his dads ears.

[Nightmare]

It's nonsense

Good...it seems they are both fairly solid lads.

[Cooldude]

Gilly's a great lad but Slats... ummmm... well.... less said about him the better

[Bartram_Class]

Gilly's a great lad but Slats... ummmm... well.... less said about him the better
I know a guy who works for Albion, who meet the players about their helmets and apparently he said Gilly is all around the nicest bloke on the team.

[Nightmare]

Gilly's a great lad but Slats... ummmm... well.... less said about him the better

Really? I heard they were both quite decent chaps - Slats seems a fairly good fella, although he does get on a touch too well with Mark Nicholas who really is a gripper

[Cooldude]

I know a guy who works for Albion, who meet the players about their helmets and apparently he said Gilly is all around the nicest bloke on the team.

Since we're onto gossips, might as well go on with it: Who are the nicest blokes and who are the worst?

From some of what I've heard from people who've met or who know the players: Gilly, Pige, Haydos, Lang, Pup, Diz and all that are very nice fellas. While the likes of Martyn and Macgill obviously not held in very high regard

[Nightmare]

Since we're onto gossips, might as well go on with it: Who are the nicest blokes and who are the worst?

From some of what I've heard from people who've met or who know the players: Gilly, Pige, Haydos, Lang, Pup, Diz and all that are very nice fellas. While the likes of Martyn and Macgill obviously not held in very high regard

Interesting. Clarke and Martyn get on really well do they not? I also heard that Martyn was a bit dull and snears a lot: needs to smile. Although his chick is useful. Clarke, despite being an out of the jar Aussie! :D , looks like a decent enough lad.

Re. England - I know Straussy pretty well and he is a top lad. Fred just looks like a good lad as do most of the others. Reservations about Vaughan and Giles and the jury is still out about Jones who is basically chief ******** in the side, although handy at reverse swing!

[Cooldude]

From what I've heard, Simon Jones is a bloody good lad, and a great singer, too :D

Straussy is very sound, he is the Gilly for England, very very nice lad

Giles looks like a tosser to me

I don't know much about Michael Clarke, although I'm curious, wouldn't want our potential next Aus captain being a bit of a ********, not like Ricky Ponting was anyway

[Nightmare]

From what I've heard, Simon Jones is a bloody good lad, and a great singer, too :D

Straussy is very sound, he is the Gilly for England, very very nice lad

Giles looks like a tosser to me

I don't know much about Michael Clarke, although I'm curious, wouldn't want our potential next Aus captain being a bit of a ********, not like Ricky Ponting was anyway

I know what you mean about Gilo. But Vaughan is his best mate (questionable).

I heard the Jones absolutely loves himself. Our Saffer is probably a bit of a chopper too - he certainly dresses like one.

Yes I had heard that Clarke was really close mates with Martyn. Seeing as I had heard Martyn was a ******, I thought that Clarke has to be questioned. He does look like a very high quality player as well by the way. I think everyone in England who could appreciate it, 'mmmed' when he belted that one drive back passed Freddy that evening in Birmingham, (pity Harmy bowled him with a jaffer of a slower ball) with zero effort. Looks like he has a dicky back though.