HOPES and Bracken selected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dan warna]

Very ordinary selections

katich very lucky, hopes very very lucky, bracken very very very lucky.

Hohns strikes again....

[Mikes4]

Hopes will be better than Harvey ever was.

[eddiesmith]

Hopes will be better than Harvey ever was.
Harvey ********s on Hopes in every part of the game :rolleyes:

[usalion]

Harvey ********s on Hopes in every part of the game :rolleyes:

Gonna extrapolate those stats for us, ed? Or don't they work this time?

More important- selected for what? One day side or test side in the ROW matches?

[eddiesmith]

One Day Side, neither of them should be let near a test side unless Australia is tanking for priority picks :p

[Bartram_Class]

One Day Side, neither of them should be let near a test side unless Australia is tanking for priority picks :p
Werent you watching the Ashes

[dan warna]

Werent you watching the Ashes

hopes: age 26

Batting and fielding averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50 4s 6s ct st
ODIs 1 0 0 0 0 - 0 - 0 0 0 0 0 0
Twenty-20 Int. 1 0 0 0 0 - 0 - 0 0 0 0 0 0
First-class 27 46 1 1277 111 28.37 2032 62.84 2 5 12 0
List A 50 39 4 813 73 23.22 986 82.45 0 3 14 0
Twenty-20 2 1 0 8 8 8.00 8 100.00 0 0 0 0

Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 4 5 10
ODIs 1 60 38 1 1/38 1/38 38.00 3.79 60.00 0 0 0
Twenty-20 Int. 1 18 23 1 1/23 1/23 23.00 7.66 18.00 0 0 0
First-class 27 3840 1917 41 4/39 46.75 2.99 93.65 2 0 0
List A 50 2483 1813 69 5/29 5/29 26.27 4.38 35.98 3 1 0
Twenty-20 2 42 52 1 1/23 1/23 52.00 7.42 42.00 0 0

= pretty pathetic

Bracken age 28

owling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 4 5 10
Tests 3 768 351 6 - 3/102 58.50 2.74 128.00 0 0 0
ODIs 17 852 552 28 4/29 4/29 19.71 3.88 30.42 1 0 0
First-class 50 9916 4225 158 7/4 26.74 2.55 62.75 7 0
List A 81 4086 2912 108 5/38 5/38 26.96 4.27 37.83 3 1 0
Twenty-20 1 24 15 1 1/15 1/15 15.00 3.75 24.00 0 0

didnt' bother with his batting, its not worth bothering about, bowling is acceptable, but I can't see him really threatening at the international level.

[BarraKouta]

Bracken definately wasnt a threat last time he played for Australia, and that was against weaker opposition than a World XI

[pluga_4]

Very ordinary selections

katich very lucky, hopes very very lucky, bracken very very very lucky.

Hohns strikes again....

you wanted changes, you got them.

no haydos, gillespie, kasper or haddin in the odi squad. 3 of those 4 are over 30 and a gradual change is better than a complete overhaul.

[dan warna]

you wanted changes, you got them.

no haydos, gillespie, kasper or haddin in the odi squad. 3 of those 4 are over 30 and a gradual change is better than a complete overhaul.
watson and white >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hopeless
about 5 bowlers including rofe, lewis, mcdonald I'd have ahead of broken.

hopeless wouldn't get a guernsey if he played for SA, Vic, Tas, WA, and thats a fact.

hohns = traitor.

[pluga_4]

watson and white >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hopeless
about 5 bowlers including rofe, lewis, mcdonald I'd have ahead of broken.

hopeless wouldn't get a guernsey if he played for SA, Vic, Tas, WA, and thats a fact.

hohns = traitor.


you gotta be joking if you think the victorian boys deserve a go. i do like the idea of bringing on watto and white though. if they can become genuine allrounders, it'll give our selctors all sorts of options down the track.
besides i don't think you can fault the selectors over recent times, they have got results. but while you have me going, hauritz should've never have played that 4th and final test in india ahead of white last year. sure hauritz did ok in that match that lasted 2 days, but so did clarkey and his left armers. also hauritz didn't have a contract and rightly so beause of his ordinary first class stats.

[dan warna]

you gotta be joking if you think the victorian boys deserve a go. i do like the idea of bringing on watto and white though. if they can become genuine allrounders, it'll give our selctors all sorts of options down the track.
besides i don't think you can fault the selectors over recent times, they have got results. but while you have me going, hauritz should've never have played that 4th and final test in india ahead of white last year. sure hauritz did ok in that match that lasted 2 days, but so did clarkey and his left armers. also hauritz didn't have a contract and rightly so beause of his ordinary first class stats.

so basically you concur that Hopes is crap, hauritz is crap, bracken is lucky and other players who have done well at first class deserve a go ahead of them like watson, rofe, and lewis, and possibly white should be there to?

[scooter600x]

Bracken would have been handy in England but won't play in Australia.

[Bombers_Forever]

Bracken- NSW pretty boy. Don't agree with his selection.

Hopes is solid - agree with his selection but he won't play.

[pluga_4]

hopes will play. the aussies have already said all 14 players will get a run in the odi's. besides they use 12 a game now.

[Unwritten_Law]

You know what Hopes reminds me of? All those ********ty bit part players the poms used to pick when they were terrible. White, Irani, Alleyne, Hollioake etc. Dark days approach.

[dan warna]

hopes will play. the aussies have already said all 14 players will get a run in the odi's. besides they use 12 a game now.
yeah well with hopeless and lee, I'd be worried against the banger batting line up :(

[pluga_4]

You know what Hopes reminds me of? All those ********ty bit part players the poms used to pick when they were terrible. White, Irani, Alleyne, Hollioake etc. Dark days approach.


well england had to play these guys to actually find flintoff.

[dan warna]

well england had to play these guys to actually find flintoff.
we already know hopes is crap and bracken is ordinary, why give them a baggy green?
If you want to discover players, do one of two things

1. pick the best at first class level (NOT hopeless)
2. pick a junior with potential (tait, white, crossthwaite, doherty, bailey etc) and take a punt

the habit of recycling 29 to 31 y/o smacks of the same trouble the brits had when they kept pulling guys like gooch, gatting, craig white, hicks etc out of semi retirement to give them another trott.

It makes a mokery of selection when dudley do nothings get elevated.

[Freo Big Fella]

Whilst Bracken shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the test side, he's actually a pretty good ODI bowler. More suited to the subcontinent and England where he can swing it a fair wa though.


Hopes is just crap, I thought they would've given up on him after the Kiwi series? Peter Worthington > Hopes.

[dan warna]

Whilst Bracken shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the test side, he's actually a pretty good ODI bowler. More suited to the subcontinent and England where he can swing it a fair wa though.


Hopes is just crap, I thought they would've given up on him after the Kiwi series? Peter Worthington > Hopes.
the Hohns factor????

[pluga_4]

bracken isn't in the test squad. he only got his token 3 tests because of the injury riddled summer of 2003/04 where mcgrath missed all 6 tests and gillespie and lee both missed 2.

yes bracken is still on the fringe of test selection, but if gillespie can find some form and rhythm again, he's a chance of a return.

[dan warna]

bracken isn't in the test squad. he only got his token 3 tests because of the injury riddled summer of 2003/04 where mcgrath missed all 6 tests and gillespie and lee both missed 2.

yes bracken is still on the fringe of test selection, but if gillespie can find some form and rhythm again, he's a chance of a return.
Dizzy is/was a great bowler but at his age (sorry) the clock is ticking and he probably doesn't have more than 10 to 20 tests AT BEST left in him.
the real dissapointment is lee.
he burst onto the scene as the great white hope, since his first 18 months he has really dissapointed.
I think we all hoped he'd mature, but sadly at 29 he hasn't shown that he can yet.
I thought tait should have been in the test side earlier, basically so he could learn MORE from McGrath than from Lee about discipline.

Lee and tait will smash through weak attacks and on fast bowler friendly pitches, but if its hard yards needing to be done, they'll be creamed.

[DIG]

We can only Bracken's improving with age and experience.

I'm a big fan of Cam White, would love to see him in the ODI side one day, but he just hasn't earnt it yet. But when you compare him to Hopes, gees i'd much prefer White.

Hopefully hopes isn't hopeless.

[Johnson#26]

Hopes will be better than Harvey ever was.

Not in a million years. I don't mind Hopes, but the Freak was robbed. Looked set to be a star prior to the 2001/2002 VB Series vs SA and NZ, but was dropped after match one, where he played some ok cricket (with the ball anyway). He was a scapegoat, along with Tugga and Junior. Never really got a chance again, and should have played last summer (for Aus). Hopes may end up a good cricketer, but for now...Harvey should still be in the squad.

Bracken will be a gun at ODI level, but average at test match cricket.

[Johnson#26]

BTW - Brad Williams is a better option then a few.