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he has informed adelaide that he wants to come back to victoria
Teagson
22 Sep 2005, 22:42
I would be very pleased if Carlton could somehow secure Watts, preferably in the PSD. This would then allow for a Whitnall trade to occur, as Watts would become his immediate replacement, and create some invaluable Salary Cap space.
I'm under the impression that he also kicked 10 goals on the weekend for the Eagles (SANFL). As a 197cm 20-year-old, I would certainly welcome him to Carlton during the trade period. :thumbsu:
Would love to have him.
I wonder if someone will mention he's slow soon (looks at Mojo)
Depends how much they ask for him. We do have some leverage that could get a good deal, but I have a feeling Bulldogs will have a shot as well which will drive his value up.
Worth our 36 probably. Anymore than that, maybe not.
AndSmithMustScore
23 Sep 2005, 00:59
Would love to have him.
I wonder if someone will mention he's slow soon (looks at Mojo)
Depends how much they ask for him. We do have some leverage that could get a good deal, but I have a feeling Bulldogs will have a shot as well which will drive his value up.
Worth our 36 probably. Anymore than that, maybe not.
He's slow and has the turning circle of a semi-trailer ;)
I'd not give up anything more than 36, or give em Houlihan.
He's slow and has the turning circle of a semi-trailer ;)
I'd not give up anything more than 36, or give em Houlihan.
Ryan Houlihan and Ian Collins for Fergus Watts.
gadj1976
23 Sep 2005, 09:47
I would be very pleased if Carlton could somehow secure Watts, preferably in the PSD. This would then allow for a Whitnall trade to occur, as Watts would become his immediate replacement, and create some invaluable Salary Cap space.
I'm under the impression that he also kicked 10 goals on the weekend for the Eagles (SANFL). As a 197cm 20-year-old, I would certainly welcome him to Carlton during the trade period. :thumbsu:
He did kick 10 goals. Three Nth Adelaide defenders were either injured or in one instance had been told he was going to be traded by his AFL club. Do you think in a forward line of Adelaide, where they finished bottom in the conversion rates per inside 50 - that Adelaide wouldn't have given him a gig if he was any good? Seriously, he's not that great.
Jason Roe stood Fergus - broken hand and stuffed shoulder, then Gilham, trade bait for Port, then Josh Coulter, also injured. All of them no good. Coach of Nth Adelaide said on radio "I've learnt not to take injured players into finals".
Plus, do we need another forward - or do we need another key defender? We've got Waite, Whitnall, Fisher, Fev already.
blues4flag
23 Sep 2005, 11:08
Plus, do we need another forward - or do we need another key defender? We've got Waite, Whitnall, Fisher, Fev already.
Yes, we definitely need another key defender, and Fergus Watts could be what we're looking for.
GoSarge
23 Sep 2005, 11:22
Pick 36 ? We used pick 14 on him in 2003 and pumped a truck load of $$ in to his development in the last 2 years. He held down CHF for the Eagles for most of the year and kicked 10 goals in a final (which most of you seem to be playing down). Now for a promising KPP who is pretty much ready for AFL and has only spent 2 years in the system, why would he only be worth pick 36 ?
Some of the logic on here is pretty bloody weird....
Arsene Wenger
23 Sep 2005, 11:40
Pick 36 - that is humerous.... Im with GOSarge here !!
stokesy
23 Sep 2005, 11:40
Pick 36 ? We used pick 14 on him in 2003 and pumped a truck load of $$ in to his development in the last 2 years. He held down CHF for the Eagles for most of the year and kicked 10 goals in a final (which most of you seem to be playing down). Now for a promising KPP who is pretty much ready for AFL and has only spent 2 years in the system, why would he only be worth pick 36 ?
Some of the logic on here is pretty bloody weird....
He is second hand... like when you buy something second hand it is cheaper :D
I would be very pleased if Carlton could somehow secure Watts, preferably in the PSD. This would then allow for a Whitnall trade to occur, as Watts would become his immediate replacement, and create some invaluable Salary Cap space.
I'm under the impression that he also kicked 10 goals on the weekend for the Eagles (SANFL). As a 197cm 20-year-old, I would certainly welcome him to Carlton during the trade period. :thumbsu:
We cant pick up everyone is the PSD. At the most we could probably pick up two players. We have the first pick in the PSD and im sure their will other players available better than Watts.
Snoozer
23 Sep 2005, 11:59
Camporeale for Watts????????
Powerstufff
23 Sep 2005, 12:04
He played a brilliant game in the SANFL last week (I saw the last quarter) and then elected to leave the Crows. There are those who say that in life timing is everything and this kid is not disproving it.
Watts hadn't been any remarkable superstar of the SANFL to this point. However suddenly he is on every board as one of the grabs of the trade period, or even the PSD. I say first relax and see how he goes in the remainder of the SANFL finals. His team (Woodville-West Torrens) play the Port Adelaide Magpies on Sunday. The winner of that goes into the SANFL GF the following week against the almost unbeatable Central Districts. We'll see what his worth is then. Well more poignantly all the Victorian clubs will see as that is where he is going.
Pick 36 ? We used pick 14 on him in 2003 and pumped a truck load of $$ in to his development in the last 2 years. He held down CHF for the Eagles for most of the year and kicked 10 goals in a final (which most of you seem to be playing down). Now for a promising KPP who is pretty much ready for AFL and has only spent 2 years in the system, why would he only be worth pick 36 ?
Some of the logic on here is pretty bloody weird....
I like your logic. Can I play also?
Luke Livingston pick 4. Carlton have put plenty of $$$ and development into him. Not 2 years like Watts but 5. So really as fair compensation we need at least pick 2.
See how it goes?
What number you were drafted is not important when considering trade value. It is the player you are now. How much improvement is left in the player. In 2 years Watts has played 5 games and none this year.
Maybe you think he is a gun but having seen him play SANFL and the quality of players in that comp then I dont want him at Carlton.
Can take a pack mark but if the ball hits the ground it is all over. No agility and no speed and still skinny. Trent Hentschel is 3 times the player he is.
Trade him to some gullible club who see him at 197cms and kicking 10 goals in an ordinary standard of football as something special.
Pick 36 ? We used pick 14 on him in 2003 and pumped a truck load of $$ in to his development in the last 2 years. He held down CHF for the Eagles for most of the year and kicked 10 goals in a final (which most of you seem to be playing down). Now for a promising KPP who is pretty much ready for AFL and has only spent 2 years in the system, why would he only be worth pick 36 ?
Some of the logic on here is pretty bloody weird....
the logic would seem to be that he wants to leave adealide and will regardless of a trade being done.
that means adelaide could get nothing for him
so clubs are not going to throw the kitchen sink at adelaide to get him, hence pick 36 being throw up
what a player is worth and what clubs give up for player dosn't really have any logic to it.
some are bagains and others you give up way too much
Snoozer
23 Sep 2005, 12:21
the logic would seem to be that he wants to leave adealide and will regardless of a trade being done.
that means adelaide could get nothing for him
so clubs are not going to throw the kitchen sink at adelaide to get him, hence pick 36 being throw up
what a player is worth and what clubs give up for player dosn't really have any logic to it.
some are bagains and others you give up way too much
The crows will do all they can to get something for him before the end of trade week... clubs will definitely be offering something of value and the club that offers the most attractively will get his signature. There is no way a Nick Stevens type scenario will happen again.
GoSarge
23 Sep 2005, 12:37
I like your logic. Can I play also?
Luke Livingston pick 4. Carlton have put plenty of $$$ and development into him. Not 2 years like Watts but 5. So really as fair compensation we need at least pick 2.
See how it goes?
What number you were drafted is not important when considering trade value. It is the player you are now. How much improvement is left in the player. In 2 years Watts has played 5 games and none this year.
Maybe you think he is a gun but having seen him play SANFL and the quality of players in that comp then I dont want him at Carlton.
Can take a pack mark but if the ball hits the ground it is all over. No agility and no speed and still skinny. Trent Hentschel is 3 times the player he is.
Trade him to some gullible club who see him at 197cms and kicking 10 goals in an ordinary standard of football as something special.
Ok, I’ve taken the bait ….
5 years is a lot different to 2 years mate, be a little realistic. If Fergus had been on our list for 5 years and was still a ‘solid’ player, then perhaps pick 36 would be a reasonable trade. The fact is, he has a pretty good upside to him, whereas Livingston will probably be a solid contributor at best. (no disrespect to the guy).
As for the player he is now, he has held down CHF in the SANFL for one of the top 2 clubs quite consistently this year, in fact his stats if you check them would reflect this. The SANFL is pretty good standard, quite comparable to the VFL, and I am sure you’d love him at Carlton.
His body is in pretty good nick, definitely not injury prone, but as for him having no agility and no speed, the guy has come on leaps and bounds, so that is a little harsh. Probably needs a little more work, but it’s not as if he has the turning circle of a truck.
In the end, 10 goals is 10 goals, you still have to kick them and it was a final against some pretty reasonable opposition. Despite people playing it down, you’re no mug if you can boot 10 in a final.
I think I’m being realistic, but I would have thought a pick in 6 to 15 range (depending on how clubs perceive him) would be fair. Considering Victorian clubs hold the top 8 picks, the dishlickers have pick 11 and Motlop is an option, I am sure we should get something in this range.
Ok, I’ve taken the bait ….
5 years is a lot different to 2 years mate, be a little realistic. If Fergus had been on our list for 5 years and was still a ‘solid’ player, then perhaps pick 36 would be a reasonable trade. The fact is, he has a pretty good upside to him, whereas Livingston will probably be a solid contributor at best. (no disrespect to the guy).
As for the player he is now, he has held down CHF in the SANFL for one of the top 2 clubs quite consistently this year, in fact his stats if you check them would reflect this. The SANFL is pretty good standard, quite comparable to the VFL, and I am sure you’d love him at Carlton.
His body is in pretty good nick, definitely not injury prone, but as for him having no agility and no speed, the guy has come on leaps and bounds, so that is a little harsh. Probably needs a little more work, but it’s not as if he has the turning circle of a truck.
In the end, 10 goals is 10 goals, you still have to kick them and it was a final against some pretty reasonable opposition. Despite people playing it down, you’re no mug if you can boot 10 in a final.
I think I’m being realistic, but I would have thought a pick in 6 to 15 range (depending on how clubs perceive him) would be fair. Considering Victorian clubs hold the top 8 picks, the dishlickers have pick 11 and Motlop is an option, I am sure we should get something in this range.
Come on mate if you are going to post reasonable stuff then you are giving me nothing to work with here.
The standard in the game was pretty low and he was on Gilham for a fiar bit who is 84kgs dripping wet and cant get a game for Port and is to be delisted.
He has been playing CHB in the SANFL for a lot of the year.
I think he could become a good AFL player but then again you can say that about just about anyone after a few years on an AFL list.
Would not be much help to us as we have a few here who can take a mark. If we were interested it would be to play him at CHB and I dont think he would have the speed/agility to do that job. Just like Lance cannot.
He spoke to Carlton 3 months ago and wanted out and we saw him as being to slow then from what I was told so I doubt much has changed our mind.
Your best best is pick 11 from the WB in my opinion. I think he is worth around a pick 15/20 in this weak draft.
Honestly you should be happy if you get a good deal for him. He was clearly not enjoying being at your club and was never going to reach his potential and will be a better play elsehwere and you can get someone else happy to be there.
GoSarge
23 Sep 2005, 12:53
Fair comment, you're entitled to your opinion and you've at least backed it up with some facts. We'll disagree on this one. Probably little silly to deal with Carlton as you do have a number of KPP's compared to Hawthorn and the Dishlickers. I personally think the Hawks and WB would be more willing to negotiate.
Good luck to you guys in trade week. Will be interesting.
Fair comment, you're entitled to your opinion and you've at least backed it up with some facts. We'll disagree on this one. Probably little silly to deal with Carlton as you do have a number of KPP's compared to Hawthorn and the Dishlickers. I personally think the Hawks and WB would be more willing to negotiate.
Good luck to you guys in trade week. Will be interesting.
Hawks pick 6 ? No
WB pick 11? Maybe
Melb pick 12 is in play if they dont use it on Lance.
Roos pick 13 if they dont use it on Hay is in play
GoSarge
23 Sep 2005, 13:03
Hawks pick 6 ? No
WB pick 11? Maybe
Melb pick 12 is in play if they dont use it on Lance.
Roos pick 13 if they dont use it on Hay is in play
Why not Hawks pick 6 ? They used it on Danny Jacobs one year ;)
Richmond and Essendon first picks at 7 and 8 ? There at least should be some interest for him from those guys which means we will be reasonably compensated.
Motlop is another option .... Perhaps you're right, the Bullies may take him for #11.
Why not Hawks pick 6 ? They used it on Danny Jacobs one year ;)
Richmond and Essendon first picks at 7 and 8 ? There at least should be some interest for him from those guys which means we will be reasonably compensated.
Motlop is another option .... Perhaps you're right, the Bullies may take him for #11.
Hawks wont do it.
Essendon have NEVER EVER traded a 1st round pick under Sheedy. 15 odd drafts and it has never been done.
Richmond I dont think are going to use there first round pick unless it is on Polak.
9 is Brisbane
10 is Fremantle
11 is Dogs and where you should start to negotiate.
12 Melb
13 North
GoSarge
23 Sep 2005, 13:15
Hawks wont do it.
Essendon have NEVER EVER traded a 1st round pick under Sheedy. 15 odd drafts and it has never been done.
Never knew that. Interesting. Hope we at least get 'reasonable' compensation for him.
SurreyBlue
23 Sep 2005, 14:02
Richmond are sniffing around Red, yes Red and my mail is they might throw pick8 at us for him. I would want a player also, but that's me.
Richmond are sniffing around Red, yes Red and my mail is they might throw pick8 at us for him. I would want a player also, but that's me.
I did hear something about that but it was a while ago. Wallace seems to think he would play him at CHB. Cant see it myself but with there is a lack of a player (apart from J Bowden) to use the ball coming out of defence it makes SOME sense.
Pick 8 is to much but who knows what clubs are thinking about the draft.
I am glad we have 1 and 4 so we dont have to get other peoples left overs in a weak draft.
SurreyBlue
23 Sep 2005, 14:13
Wallace can use him at either end.
IMHO, he has one decent pick but will need to have one more pick or player to get the deal.
Richmond are sniffing around Red, yes Red and my mail is they might throw pick8 at us for him. I would want a player also, but that's me.
if all reports are true and lance is holding out for $400,000 per season,
i am ready to jump at lance for pick 8 & (a player) or (swap of draft picks their round 2 for our round 3)
If Richmond want Lance I'd do...
Richmond
Lance Whitnall
Pick 52 or equivalant player
Carlton
Pick 8
Jay Schulz