One Big Tiger Positive from the Granny

[CoggaRules]

Walking from the ground, after the granny, talking about the quality of game that the 2 teams dished up, the one thing that was pretty evident for me is this:
Both the grand finalists played, pretty much, the same type of game they played against us, and not only did we beat the premiers, we also ran the runners up to a closy.
In the end, its all about getting there that is our big nemesis, because if we do and we front up to those sorts of teams as the swans and eagles, we are a big chance.
Now all TW has to do is, get us to the top 4, avoid playing teams like the saints or crows, in the finals, and hope they get bowled out before the big one. ;)

[Wally Matera]

Pretty big "IF'S" dont you think?

[itsintheblood]

Simple isnt it?

[CoggaRules]

Pretty big "IF'S" dont you think?

what? you didnt think the tigers would have been a real chance against either team after what you saw on saturday? I would say had we been the opposition, we would have been a more than real chance at lifting the cup.

[Darth_Tiger]

not on the form of the swans of the past month or so. we would have been very little chance imo. but in one way you are right, once you get there anything can happen.

[CoggaRules]

not on the form of the swans of the past month or so. we would have been very little chance imo. but in one way you are right, once you get there anything can happen.

form of the past month?

How about this
Richmond 2.4 8.8 12.12 12.13 (85)
Sydney Swans 2.3 3.6 7.9 12.12 (84)

they did the same thing to us as they did to the saints and to an extent to the eagles, they hang back and go hell for leather in the last quarter, had Oloughlin finished properly the game was all over well before the siren.
The key is to get well in front with an attacking game plan, and then make sure the name Hall doesnt appear anywhere in these stats:
GOALS
Richmond
Matthew Richardson (4)
Andrew Krakouer (3)
Richard Tambling (1)
Kayne Pettifer (1)
Rory Hilton (1)
Mark Chaffey (1)
Joel Bowden (1)

Sydney Swans
Nic Fosdike (3)
Michael O'Loughlin (3)
Paul Williams (1)
Jarrad McVeigh (1)
Adam Goodes (1)
Nick Davis (1)
Amon Buchanan (1)
Jared Crouch (1)

Thats why a Gas is vital as the type of FB he is.

[1980]

There's a big difference between the form that comes from one game and the confidence, discipline and mental strength required to do it consistently over an entire season.

And there's an even bigger difference to carry your season form into finals.

You're always looking for quick and easy answers. 23 years in the wilderness has taught you nothing.

[CoggaRules]

There's a big difference between the form that comes from one game and the confidence, discipline and mental strength required to do it consistently over an entire season.

And there's an even bigger difference to carry your season form into finals.

You're always looking for quick and easy answers. 23 years in the wilderness has taught you nothing.


the only difference between our game and the semi/granny is that they couldnt catch us because the couldnt shut down our forward line as they wanted, hence us being 8 goals up and if not for us stuffng up a few more forward thrusts, them going 10 down.
The same happened with the Eagles, from half way through the first quarter the swans forward line had 2 players in it, and the eagles were totally ontop everywhere except where it counted on the scoreboard.
They didnt have Richo on fire or could they contain a Krak on the job, so you kind of can see how improtant Matera would have been, and how limited Lynch is when it comes to the big stuff.
Eagles dominated, but they were 10 points up only, we dominated and we were 8 goals up.



It happened all year with the swans, the pattern hardly changed, or maybe you need 23 years, like Spud did to wake up to opposition game plans?

[Wally Matera]

what? you didnt think the tigers would have been a real chance against either team after what you saw on saturday? I would say had we been the opposition, we would have been a more than real chance at lifting the cup.

I havent got issue with what youre stating above. Its this quote that l have a problem with:

In the end, its all about getting there that is our big nemesis, because if we do and we front up to those sorts of teams as the swans and eagles, we are a big chance.
Now all TW has to do is, get us to the top 4, avoid playing teams like the saints or crows, in the finals, and hope they get bowled out before the big one..

I think you're living in wonderland if you think that its going to be as simple as this.

[I Rock]

I don't think you can make this kind of comparsion, all it may say is in football were it's a two horse race any team can win on the day.

But you still need a good consitent year to get there.

[CoggaRules]

I havent got issue with what youre stating above. Its this quote that l have a problem with:



I think you're living in wonderland if you think that its going to be as simple as this.


LOL, yeah, copy that, but then again, but try this one on for size, had Brown not gone down when he did, we would have been a real chance of grabbing a top 4 spot. Had we ontop of that secured the top 4 spot say with 4 rounds to go, then the smart coaches start to map out possible scenarios, and which team gives them more headaches than others. You see where those headache teams are on the ladder, and plan the last 4 games accordingly to at least not meet them until the granny if somwone else doesnt do you the favour and knocks them over.
A bit of a dream thing, but in reality, and by what I saw this year, TW had Woosher and Roosy worked out to a tee, with Thomas there was no working out because the Thomas game plan wasnt what would beat us, it was the depth of top quality deliverers to the top quality finishers that would kill us.

[1980]

the only difference between our game and the semi/granny is that they couldnt catch us because the couldnt shut down our forward line as they wanted, hence us being 8 goals up and if not for us stuffng up a few more forward thrusts, them going 10 down.
The same happened with the Eagles, from half way through the first quarter the swans forward line had 2 players in it, and the eagles were totally ontop everywhere except where it counted on the scoreboard.
They didnt have Richo on fire or could they contain a Krak on the job, so you kind of can see how improtant Matera would have been, and how limited Lynch is when it comes to the big stuff.
Eagles dominated, but they were 10 points up only, we dominated and we were 8 goals up.



It happened all year with the swans, the pattern hardly changed, or maybe you need 23 years, like Spud did to wake up to opposition game plans?

Since you brought Spud into it, you and him are both alike. In fact, you probably are Spud. You post like he coached

Both of you make the same mistake that we're a couple of players short of playing finals consistently. And as we learnt, in his last 3 seasons, we werent. We won as many games in 3 years as top teams won in just one. You probably still think Hudson was a good draft.

[Wally Matera]

Too many ifs chief...

If Frawley hadnt traded every draft pick for Paul Hudson would we have won a Granny by now?

If we hadnt picked Aaron Fiona instead of Matty Pavlich, would we have won a Granny by now?

You can see where l am going with this...

You're only hurting yourself if you start thinking like that... lets just wait and see.

[CoggaRules]

Since you brought Spud into it, you and him are both alike. In fact, you probably are Spud. You post like he coached

Both of you make the same mistake that we're a couple of players short of playing finals consistently. And as we learnt, in his last 3 seasons, we werent. We won as many games in 3 years as top teams won in just one. You probably still think Hudson was a good draft.

when you talk players, it looks like your definition of a player is a little different to mine. Players are not, hoolahoop, huddos, nicholls and flemos, players are, browns, Fevs, Bartels, Power etc.

Our problem wasnt that we went for experience, our problem was, who went for experience, and who that who shipped out to make way for that experience. ;)

[RodneyDangerfield]

No way known would we have stood up to that type of pressure on the weekend.

[CoggaRules]

No way known would we have stood up to that type of pressure on the weekend.

tend to disagree with that one. Most times, the tigers would be super compettive when it came to pressure packed games, it was when the game was an open flowing one, where they would be invariably blown away.
Dont think we faired that badly in close pressure packed games this year.
Dont even think both our games against the grand finalists, here, were to far away from that same type of pressure either. Intense torrid affairs, bot of them, and what the Swans did to the eagles we were going to do, save for the ball ending up , a couple opf times,with the wrong finishing player, in the run home.

[madtiger2005]

The difference is that the Interstate teams have 11 home games against teams having to travel far. Alot of the home games of the Melbourne teams are played against other Melbourne teams. The interstate teams have a much bigger and more regular home ground advantage

[Stafford678]

The difference is that the Interstate teams have 11 home games against teams having to travel far. Alot of the home games of the Melbourne teams are played against other Melbourne teams. The interstate teams have a much bigger and more regular home ground advantage

Travel and home ground advantage i reckon is bulldust , i shouldnt matter where you play or who you play, its been going on for years now so dont ya think it would be a non issue anymore they get paid good money these players they should be able to play anywhere whether it be infront of 40 thousand oppisition supporters at subiaco or having 2 thousand tiger supporters at the SCG or 15 people down at tassie

[Showbag]

When we keep the group of younger players together for at least the next 2-3 years, we will be in a position to gauge how tough a premiership really is. Right now, we were a bit of the pace when it really mattered. Sydney were able to do this and look at the result.