The Greens

[i_luv_westcoast]

This is Australia's worst political party. It's policies would kill Australia. If they had there way we would all ride a bike to work. They are soooooo left it is not funny. How anyone could vote for these tree huggers has got me beat. The only thing they are interested in is trees and equality for homosexuals. Not that that is a bad thing, because in WA homosexuals have been heavily disadvantaged for years. It's just that they have no other policies. They direct all their energies to these two issues. They seem to neglect the fact that there is an economy out there. Can you imagine the recession Australia would have if they lead us :( What are everyone else thoughts on this political party?

[Leia]

I tend to agree generally with the policies they do have, but i agree with you in saying that they have few other policies - and for that reason i wouldn't vote for them (if i was old enough to vote :( )

BUT, i definitely don't think they are Australia's worst political party, since i generally tend to agree with the stances they take on issues as they arise (as opposed to other parties, whom i therefore think of as worse).

[London Dave]

the worst political party in australia is Pauline Hansons bunch. Period.

[i_luv_westcoast]

Some of their policies do suck London Dave, but many have been adopted by both the major parties in recent months. Why were they one "racist", but now considered by the major parties as showing leadership?

[Mags]

One Nation and the Greens are the worst.

One Nation care only about race, and Greens only care about how much money they wanna put into to have bikes on the roads and how many trees we plant.

Mags

[iceman]

Originally posted by Mags
One Nation and the Greens are the worst.

One Nation care only about race, and Greens only care about how much money they wanna put into to have bikes on the roads and how many trees we plant.


I agree, and thats why it shows that voting for either of those parties is a waste of time

[Fat Red]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
. If they had there way we would all ride a bike to work

I wouldn't vote for them, but what exactly would be the problem if we did all ride bikes to worK?

[i_luv_westcoast]

Nothing, but I wouldn't want to. Or to Uni for that matter.

[Mags]

It would be interesting to hear the greens policy for Education and Employment. :rolleyes:

Mags

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
Nothing, but I wouldn't want to. Or to Uni for that matter.

Yeah, god forbid we might stop global warming or the destruction of biodiversity by minimising our use of fossil fuels and replacing some of it with renewable energy use.
I didn't know idiocy was taught at Uni.

[i_luv_westcoast]

Well it takes me 50 mins to drive to Uni, so riding my bike would take a while wouldn't it you idiot. As for public transport forget it, it is useless where I live.

[Richmondfan#1]

Has anyone ever noticed when you go to vote that the Greens hand out the most pamphlets? And what is paper made out of? :D

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
Well it takes me 50 mins to drive to Uni, so riding my bike would take a while wouldn't it you idiot. As for public transport forget it, it is useless where I live.

IDIOT!! That's a ****ing riot coming from you. Your whole attitude smacks of selfishness and immaturity. Your calling me an idiot because I care about our environment? Now, that's a bad thing isn't it?

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Richmondfan#1
Has anyone ever noticed when you go to vote that the Greens hand out the most pamphlets? And what is paper made out of? :D

Kat, at least the pamphlets are providing you with some information, unlike the amount of natural forests wasted each year for wood chipping. No forests = loss of biodiversity and global warming which will eventually destroy the planet you enjoy living on.

[i_luv_westcoast]

I'm selfish because I wont ride my bike to Uni am I. You don't know me ok, so don't call me selfish.

[play on]

You wouldn't get me riding a bike anywhere.

[Richmondfan#1]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Kat, at least the pamphlets are providing you with some information, unlike the amount of natural forests wasted each year for wood chipping. No forests = loss of biodiversity and global warming which will eventually destroy the planet you enjoy living on.

Yeah i know, I'm not having a go at them. I'm on your side!

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
I'm selfish because I wont ride my bike to Uni am I. You don't know me ok, so don't call me selfish.

No your selfish because you don't seem to care about your/my environment. I understand that we can't all be in a position to ride to work/Uni, but the planet is bigger than your own part of WA.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Richmondfan#1


Yeah i know, I'm not having a go at them. I'm on your side!

And I agree that they go too far sometimes, but so do all the political parties..........it's how you get noticed. ;)

[i_luv_westcoast]

My beliefs in regard to the environment may surprise you. I voted for the Liberals for Forrests at the last state election. You see they have more policies than just the environment.

[Richmondfan#1]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


And I agree that they go too far sometimes, but so do all the political parties..........it's how you get noticed. ;)

Just put a gold wig on - you're sure to get noticed. The camera's will get you all the time ;):D.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
My beliefs in regard to the environment may surprise you. I voted for the Liberals for Forrests at the last state election. You see they have more policies than just the environment.

Well that's big of you voting for a party that likes to destroy forests. Thosr plantations that foresting companies plant are pretty much useless too.........they do nothing for biodiversity.

The Greens don't really need to have too many polcies. They are trying to get into the senate to have an influence on the policy which matters to them. The major parties don't really have too many policies set in concrete either until they have to come uo with something or the public demands to know.

[i_luv_westcoast]

You idiot they, support saving the forsests. I said "Liberals for Forrests". They were a new party started up just before the state election in WA. So learn your about politics, because you seem to have no idea.

[vanders]

im sorry santos, but i have to agree with i_luv_westcoast here.

I'm all for the preservation of our environment but i already have to drive for an hour and 1/2 every day to get to tafe...riding a bike would take me 5 times longer.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
You idiot they, support saving the forsests. I said "Liberals for Forrests". They were a new party started up just before the state election in WA. So learn your about politics, because you seem to have no idea.

My assumption is perfectly logical in Australian politics. Liberals in Australia are right wing. Just because some minority party uses a reference to 'liberal' which is not widely used in Australia, I can't be expected to be a mind reader. As for not having any idea, I won't get into educational qualifications with you........it's not worth it.
But again, I say, it was big of you to make such an effort.

[i_luv_westcoast]

Your sarcasm is hilarious isn't it. I really do hope the greens are wiped out in the federal election. Like I said previousy they are useless. If they ran the country we would all be stuffed. I support saving the Forrests though, and that is why I voted for the Libs for Forrests. As for your previous remark about me being selfish I find that quite unjustified. Of course I wouldn't expect you to withdraw it.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
Your sarcasm is hilarious isn't it. I really do hope the greens are wiped out in the federal election. Like I said previousy they are useless. If they ran the country we would all be stuffed. I support saving the Forrests though, and that is why I voted for the Libs for Forrests. As for your previous remark about me being selfish I find that quite unjustified. Of course I wouldn't expect you to withdraw it.

Good, I won't then. Plus, I'll take the bike back that I bought you for Christmas.

[i_luv_westcoast]

You are funny aren't you. I just make a point and them im classed as selfish. Im far from it, but that doesn't matter to you does it?

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
You are funny aren't you. I just make a point and them im classed as selfish. Im far from it, but that doesn't matter to you does it?

You refer to me as an idiot and want me to apologise for thinking your attitude to the environment or people who care about it is selfish. ok, I'm sorry.

[i_luv_westcoast]

I don't think you really meant that :)

[coxon]

heres a little story about one nation...
david oldfield, the one nation senator here in the NSW senate...
i think he has been disendorsed by one nation, but anyway...

a few weeks ago, was out with my mates (one was celebrating b'day), who was upset about his gf... took him to a sydney establishment known as Mens Gallery... some, upmarket strip/table dance joint.. :P~~

during the night, i noticed a tall guy, with glasses... and, as u feel when u think u notice someone, u tend to keep looking, trying to figure out if they are or not the person u recognise... well, it was David Oldfield...

i've always thought of him as the problem guy, the guy who truly is an arrogant git..

well, he came up to our table... (my mates and i are asians), and said "hey fellas, all just come off the boat did we?? isnt australia just the best country?"

he walked away, my mates didnt realise who he was... but i knew... astounded by this bastard's rascist words, i went outside to heckle him... he was with the tv gladiator, Commando... outside having a ciggie...

so, i started heckling him, bagging him and sh1t... he quickly changed tact.. as he realised we spoke and sounded like a normal aussies... so, then, to appease the situation, he started saying stuff like 'mate, u guys are all aussies!'.. 'we want more of u here'!!..etc etc... and came up to shake our hands and pats on backs .... one friend shook his hand, while the rest of us were just hecking, taunting and giving him sh1t about him and pauline..

i dont wanna sound like a whinger or sook... as i dont mind when ppl say crap like that... its fine by me... friends and i constantly joke about stuff like that... but when someone like that, a politician, who is associated with rascist policies, says crap like that to your face with your friends in a public place, its quite demeaning..

ah.. sorry bout that.. anyway, back to topic.. yeah, greens.. who the frick would vote for them?

[Captain Sensible]

I thought that Uni was supposed to teach you how to think critically. Some of the people on this forum who profess to being Uni students should be asking for their HECS and GS fees back.

And as for the Greens not having any policies-have you even looked at their website? If you can be bothered you will find all sorts of policies that arent just about the environment.

[Santos L Helper]

Name us localyocal. I'm always up for some constructive criticism.

[Captain Sensible]

Well its not you Santos, I have no problem with your intellectual capacity and your critical thinking processes.
My problem is with people who are happy with their little prejudices and attack orginizations without really knowing what they are talking about like I-Luv-Westcoast.

[i_luv_westcoast]

I know exactly what they stand for in the war on terrorism.. They think we should go through the U.N What the hell will the U.N do? As if they have any chance of getting Bin Laden.

As for my intellectual capacity, I amnaged to get into Uni, so it can't be to bad now then can it. My only prejudice is against the Taliban. I think they are descipable, but I suppose you support the Greens don't you. If they had their way the ruling taliban would end up staying in power.

So I think it's safe to say the Greens are off with the fairies. I'm sure they would love to get rid of the defence force as well. Who would protect Australia then may I ask?

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
I know exactly what they stand for in the war on terrorism.. They think we should go through the U.N What the hell will the U.N do? As if they have any chance of getting Bin Laden.

As for my intellectual capacity, I amnaged to get into Uni, so it can't be to bad now then can it. My only prejudice is against the Taliban. I think they are descipable, but I suppose you support the Greens don't you. If they had their way the ruling taliban would end up staying in power.

So I think it's safe to say the Greens are off with the fairies. I'm sure they would love to get rid of the defence force as well. Who would protect Australia then may I ask?

I was going to leave this thread alone, but your digging your own grave ILWC. The Greens would not disband the Army, that's a stupid (there's that word again) assumption.
The ruling Taliban government is in power because the USA wanted to keep Russia out of Afghanistan, then realised their mistake. Yes the Taliban are despicable, but the USA are no saints on the world scene. In fact they are well known for arming factions within countries for their own political causes.........no matter how many civilians get bought into the conflict.
Who are we protecting Australia from by the way? The people trying to get into the country on those old crappy boats? I heard Johnny call it a war the other day, I suppose you think it is too?
So if it's a war against boat people, does that mean that Australia's armed forces should be firing at them?

[i_luv_westcoast]

I never said we should fire on them, Im hoping to join the armed forces next year, and that would be stupid. They have been asked to escort these boats out of Australian waters. The majority of Australians support this, why should the minority dictate? As for being prejudiced, have you read a Uni magazine recently. This is the biggest load of tripe I have ever read. As for balanced articles you have to be kidding. They are so left it is not funny.

[London Dave]

I have never been so ashamed of being Australian than after the way Howards government is treating refugees.

Anyone who agrees with stance is SELFISH. Pure and simple.

What' has happened to the humanity in this world? The post about values of Australians on this board is full of crap. How can people say that we as a nation have a great set of values when our government does this (with it seems, the approval of the people)

Everyone in Australia is a refugee from somewhere. Never forget it.

[Captain Sensible]

There is no way that Howards attack on a soft target like refugees could be looked at in any other way than selfish political grandstanding.

Lets look at the issues.

Is it economicly responsible?

No the latest estimates from this secretive government are that we have spent in the vicinity of $130,000,000. The cost to let them on land and assess them here would be about $10,000 each.

Is it morally right?

No. How can it be morally right to have pregnant woman floating around in the sun? How can it be morally right to ask a ship to pick up refugees(as Australia did) and then virtually accuse them of people smuggling?

Is it legally right

No. Retrospective legislation is never the right thing to do. You simply cannot say that an act is illegal after someone has already done it, this is not a function of the law.

[TigerTank]

I hate bicycle riders.

They leave marks on the Falcon's front bumper.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by TigerTank
I hate bicycle riders.

They leave marks on the Falcon's front bumper.

TT, the trick is to harass them enough so that they fall off, then just run over the top of them. I've kept the scratches off my XF Panel Van that way. ;)

[TigerTank]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


... the trick is to harass them enough so that they fall off ...

Thanks Santos. I will try that.


Still hate them though because they are gits.

[TigerTank]

Originally posted by London Dave

Anyone who agrees with stance is SELFISH. Pure and simple.



Untrue. There are a variety of reasons that people oppose illegal immigration - some are selfish, some are legitimate concerns. To suggest otherwise is naive.

[Lionheart2]

Originally posted by i_luv_westcoast
I'm selfish because I wont ride my bike to Uni am I. You don't know me ok, so don't call me selfish.

Global Warming is a global issue, but we all must be commited in fighting the enhanced greenhouse effect.

The greenhouse effect is enhanced by human activity and Australia is responsible for about 1.4% of the 38 billion tonnes of annual global greenhouse emissions. Human activities greatly contribute to these emissions, as a result of industrial activity there is now 30% more Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than in the 18th century.
It appears that almost all countries around the world will be affected by sea-level rise over the next 100 years. Melting of glaciers and polar ice caps will triggering global sea-level rise of between 15 and 95cm. Up to 140 million people could be displaced world wide.
In Low lying countries such as Bangladesh and the Netherlands people will have no choice but to migrate to higher regions.
Other serious consequences include an increase in water-borne disease, sea-level rise, heatwaves, storm surges, less rainfall, extinction of animal species, coastal flooding, severe droughts andgb acid erosion.
The world must reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by about 50% to avoid potentially dangerous build-ups of greenhouse gases, if this means riding a bike or taking public transport then so be it. It might be an impossible situation for you but there are many other ways to help whether it be at a local, regional or global level.

The greens might not be the ideal political party but at least they're doing something!!

Global warming is a global issue, requiring a global solution!!
If all countries agreed to the Kyoto protocol, agree to limit the burning of fossil fuels, restrict population growth, develop more environmentally-friendly transportation, then maybe we can fight this serious problem.

[TheMase]

Originally posted by Lionheart2


Global Warming is a global issue, but we all must be commited in fighting the enhanced greenhouse effect.

The greenhouse effect is enhanced by human activity and Australia is responsible for about 1.4% of the 38 billion tonnes of annual global greenhouse emissions. Human activities greatly contribute to these emissions, as a result of industrial activity there is now 30% more Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than in the 18th century.
It appears that almost all countries around the world will be affected by sea-level rise over the next 100 years. Melting of glaciers and polar ice caps will triggering global sea-level rise of between 15 and 95cm. Up to 140 million people could be displaced world wide.
In Low lying countries such as Bangladesh and the Netherlands people will have no choice but to migrate to higher regions.
Other serious consequences include an increase in water-borne disease, sea-level rise, heatwaves, storm surges, less rainfall, extinction of animal species, coastal flooding, severe droughts andgb acid erosion.
The world must reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by about 50% to avoid potentially dangerous build-ups of greenhouse gases, if this means riding a bike or taking public transport then so be it. It might be an impossible situation for you but there are many other ways to help whether it be at a local, regional or global level.

The greens might not be the ideal political party but at least they're doing something!!

Global warming is a global issue, requiring a global solution!!
If all countries agreed to the Kyoto protocol, agree to limit the burning of fossil fuels, restrict population growth, develop more environmentally-friendly transportation, then maybe we can fight this serious problem.

Well Said :)

[Lionheart2]

Originally posted by London Dave
I have never been so ashamed of being Australian than after the way Howards government is treating refugees.

Anyone who agrees with stance is SELFISH. Pure and simple.

What' has happened to the humanity in this world? The post about values of Australians on this board is full of crap. How can people say that we as a nation have a great set of values when our government does this (with it seems, the approval of the people)

Everyone in Australia is a refugee from somewhere. Never forget it.

Absoluetly. Australia is a country of refugees. The first people to reach Australian mainland were the convicts. We have a long history of accepting refugees and those seeking shelter, it's our MORAL OBLIGATION to offer the asylum seekers a safe environment to live. How can the Australian government say no to these people?? It's beyond me!!
We should open our doors to the minuscule percentage of political refugees who make it to Australia rather than shunting them off to tiny countries like Nauru and Papua New Guinea. These people have been suffering the impacts of war for over 20 years. Beginning with the invasion by Russia, then the civil war and now their own government, the taliban.
It's time for the Australian government to accept these refugees, to treat them with respect and finally act in the appropriate manner. While Australia, like many other nations, has a right to try and ensure that its immigration program remains orderly, we can afford to be welcoming those people who come here seeking asylum, and more sympathetic in our treatment of them. We should increase the refugee and special humanitarian component of our immigration intake. Australia has always needed people. In the short term at least, because of our low birth rates, this means migrants. We may not be able to get the kinds of migrants that the government would like (skilled, money....) but there is no reason however, that those who come here as refugees will not, in the long run contribute to society and the econony. Many of our most prominent citizens came here as refugees.

[TheMase]

Agree with above posts.

Refugees are human beings just like all of us. And, they deserve to be treated accordingly. We would be outraged if, a person from out country was treated in such a way. So what makes them different from us?

The only thing that makes them different, is that, unlike us, they have had to endure war and a country that is in ruins.

They have had a hard life, and are moving on to try and get a new start.

Australia is an ideal place. We have plenty of land mass per capita.

There is no reason why we cannot accomidate these people. They may not be highly skilled, but can be taught etc.

They have had a hard life and do not deserve this kind of treatment.

Sure there is a process for them. They should not be realised straight into the community, simply because they need support for a while. But this shouldn't be in detention camps.

The government has to have a hard look at themselves, to see what they are doing is inhumane.

Not like they care .. :rolleyes: