North Melb Align with Tassie & Ballarat

[GV Middle Man]

The North Melbourne Football Club has made a decision on it's VFL partnership by deciding to formalise relationships with both North Ballarat and Tasmania Football Clubs.

This arrangement will see the Kangaroos partner with both clubs resulting in Kangaroos listed players playing with one of the two teams.

The operational and contractual details, as well as deciding which players end up with which club, will be finalised in the ensuing weeks.

"Of the clubs under consideration, we are delighted to have arrived at the decision to partner with both North Ballarat and Tasmania Football Clubs," said Kangaroos chief executive Geoff Walsh

expect a mass exodise from both clubs

[fat back pocket]

The North Melbourne Football Club has made a decision on it's VFL partnership by deciding to formalise relationships with both North Ballarat and Tasmania Football Clubs.

This arrangement will see the Kangaroos partner with both clubs resulting in Kangaroos listed players playing with one of the two teams.

The operational and contractual details, as well as deciding which players end up with which club, will be finalised in the ensuing weeks.

"Of the clubs under consideration, we are delighted to have arrived at the decision to partner with both North Ballarat and Tasmania Football Clubs," said Kangaroos chief executive Geoff Walsh

expect a mass exodise from both clubs

Where was this written?

Why will there be a mass exodise?

[GV Middle Man]

Was wriitten on another Footy Website!!! North Ballarat Players arent happy with it... Ask your bullant boys what happened when Carlton rocked up and took over....... Dont you believe this article?

[Travvy43]

There is a main leadership group of players at nth ballarat that are filthy with the allignment. I like the way walsh said that they have decided which clubs they are going to align with, as if there were a number of options. He should have said

the North Melbourne Footy Club have finally been able to suck two clubs in to allign..........

[GV Middle Man]

Travy d u no any players names that are ********ed off? or just speculation?

[WCL]

Tassie is going to really struggle now and will lose a lot of support over it. This could be a real defining moment in the clubs history.

[Travvy43]

Travy d u no any players names that are ********ed off? or just speculation?

Field (captain, liston trophy winner, state rep, been there since day dot) and Grieg (vic captain, state rep, been there since day dot). These two are not happy and have a lot of pull within the "local ballarat" playing group.

[Captain Charisma]

Tassie is going to really struggle now and will lose a lot of support over it. This could be a real defining moment in the clubs history.
DUDE you dont live in tassie so dont comment on it. This will cause players to lose there spots which means its now interesting weather the Northen Bombers Will try and get AFL Tas support to have a second state team now.

[goalpie]

A Tassie team with a few Tasmanian players in it, wow thats really a Tassie team. A big blow to Tassie football.

[Johnson#26]

Pretty silly to go with Tassie, considering they are a Vic club.

[MalG.]

A Tassie team with a few Tasmanian players in it, wow thats really a Tassie team. A big blow to Tassie football.

U obviously know nothing about the devils so stay out

[will5]

U obviously know nothing about the devils so stay out

Im from tassie and this will be the end of the devils if this happens. What a shame to ruin all the hard development work we have done down here. What young aspiring kid is gunna wanna turn up to devils training now when he knows later on down the track he is going to be shunned an opportunity because of a fringe AFL player who has no interest in the club will take his spot. Shame on u Scott Wade. ******** off out of this state and stop ruining football here.

[billybrownless16]

The Tassie Devils began in 2001 to give the states best players somewhere to play after the statewide league folded.
The Devils have bled the local Tasmanian clubs by taking the players they have developed from them.
Now the Devils will have a number of Kangaroo listed players, which will prevent young Tasmanian players getting exposure and experience at VFL level.
On the brightside, at least there will be a few more quality players back in the local leagues.

[Kingpin]

Interesting.
The express purpose of the Tasmanian Devils Football Club was to keep our elite players from going off interstate to comps like the SANFL, WAFL, AFLQ etc after the TFL collapsed because they perceived that players would not want to stay and play in the NTFL, SFL etc.
And to develop Tasmanian players for the express purpose of being drafted to the AFL by gaining exposure in a recognised comp (like the old TFL was) which they would not have got in the NTFL or that crappy SFL.

Be interesting to see over the next 12 months or so what kind of reception it gets from players and fans over it.
On the positive side at least local leagues and thier member clubs might have a bit better standard of players running around on thier grounds, with a lesser take, take, take attitude which the Devils do have.
If it all falls over it will at least force AFL Tasmania to recognise and fix the problems with football in this state which exist in abundance outside the Devils programme.

Interesting times ahead.

[Jimmy]

The Tassie Devils began in 2001 to give the states best players somewhere to play after the statewide league folded.
The Devils have bled the local Tasmanian clubs by taking the players they have developed from them.
Now the Devils will have a number of Kangaroo listed players, which will prevent young Tasmanian players getting exposure and experience at VFL level.
On the brightside, at least there will be a few more quality players back in the local leagues.
wouldnt those players want to try their hand at higher level footy in SA and WA and even with other clubs in the vfl???

[Jimmy]

I also think this is a silly move from tassie....they really dont act like they have two heads down there!!!

[Ozguy]

AFL Tasmania denies any deal has been done. North has apparently jumped the gun big time.

[goalpie]

U obviously know nothing about the devils so stay out

Go play with yourself you silly little fool.

They have ruined football in the state over and over again. Sent the TFL broke, but thats ok as long as you are keeping over paid fools with an income like Wade and Hodgeman.

Hint: No such word as U. The word you are looking for is You.

Tasmanian Devils was set up to give the opportunity for Tasmanian players to get more notice after the Mariners got sunk.

[onslaught]

AFL Tasmania denies any deal has been done. North has apparently jumped the gun big time.

Can I ask what your source is on the denial?

From the article on the footballtas website, it does seem like the Devils were still a way off agreeing to it.

[Ozguy]

Back page of the Mercury. Scott Wade says nothing has been finalised.

[onslaught]

Back page of the Mercury. Scott Wade says nothing has been finalised.

thanks.

[Kingpin]

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7th October 2005: Don't Do It, Devils
By Paul Malarsky

Don't do it Devils - stay well clear of the Kangaroos.
The AFL club's announcement yesterday that it had formed an alliance with both Tasmania and North Ballarat in the VFL next year is indicative of why AFL Tasmania must steer clear of the AFL club at all costs.
The announcement smacked of arrogance, particularly when hours later AFL Tasmania general manager Scott Wade admitted no deal had yet been done.
"At this stage we have more questions than answers but we are certainly interested in forming a relationship with the Kangaroos," Wade told a media conference.
"But we need to work through all of the operational and logistical issues before we are prepared to finalise an agreement with the North Melbourne Football Club."
Someone should have told the Kangaroos that a simple phone call to AFL Tasmania's head office would have been well advised before any grand announcement.
Quite clearly any alliance will benefit only the Kangaroos.
AFL Tasmania is constantly reminding us of our proud Tasmanian heritage, how our football community proudly embraces its team, and how the Devils give opportunities to Tasmanian players all over the state to improve and compete at the highest level.
For our youngsters it's the opportunity to showcase their skills to the AFL club scouts and advance their case for selection in the AFL draft.
The two record crowds of 11,456 and 10,176 at Bellerive last month for the two VFL finals against Frankston and the Northern Bullants are a clear sign that Tasmanians want to see Tasmanians playing in the VFL.
What does it say about the Kangaroos when they announce to the football world that they have secured a partial alliance with Tasmania, when AFL Tasmania says the deal has not yet been done?
It suggests the Kangaroos will run the team and do things their way.
They will want coach Mathew Armstrong to play their senior discards where and when they tell him.
These discards will not be seen at training. They will drop in and out at the weekend as the Kangaroos see fit.
Their role in the development of the team will be questionable.
The Kangaroos players will have no sense of state pride -- they will be playing for themselves, trying to boost their case of a recall to the seniors.
And not only that, with the alliance being in fact a half-alliance with North Ballarat, which of the two VFL clubs will get which Kangaroo players?
It also means five or six fewer Tasmanians each week
will get the chance to play in the VFL.
State administrators would do well to heed last month's warnings of both the Frankston and Port Melbourne football clubs.
Port Melbourne severed its links with the Kangaroos at the end of the season after a three-year association.
Port Melbourne general manager Barry Kidd warned Tasmania of troubled days should the alliance go ahead.
"We wanted it to be a partnership, not an arrangement where one side dominated," he said.
"They want to be the master and us their servant, and we don't serve people too well. "It just became untenable."
Sadly, Devils officials are thinking otherwise.

Headline at the top.
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[Doona2]

Field (captain, liston trophy winner, state rep, been there since day dot) and Grieg (vic captain, state rep, been there since day dot). These two are not happy and have a lot of pull within the "local ballarat" playing group.

Was talking with the Roosters 2004 B & F Spider Moloney yesterday, fair to say there are a lot of questions that need to be answered to the players before things will run smoothly. . . . I agree dunno whethere this one will work out in the best interests of the NBFC.

[onslaught]

There is a main leadership group of players at nth ballarat that are filthy with the allignment. I like the way walsh said that they have decided which clubs they are going to align with, as if there were a number of options. He should have said

the North Melbourne Footy Club have finally been able to suck two clubs in to allign..........

Rumour is Julian Field has walked out on the club over the deal.

[Travvy43]

Rumour is Julian Field has walked out on the club over the deal.

The rumour is true, and marc Grieg has also gone, the vice captain, he has accepted a coaching job with a club in the warracknabeal region.

Nick Bye has gone too, the second string ruckmn, was anumber one ruckman before porter was there, he is going down to play int he geelong FL.

[Guinea]

The rumour is true, and marc Grieg has also gone, the vice captain, he has accepted a coaching job with a club in the warracknabeal region.

Nick Bye has gone too, the second string ruckmn, was anumber one ruckman before porter was there, he is going down to play int he geelong FL.

That's 3 very good players, but in a way, it's to be expected. It's happened at most clubs when they have aligned. Look at the amount of ex-bullants in the GV at the moment. Hopefully it strengthens the Ballarat FL, though I'm surprised Grieg has gone to Warracknabeal and Bye to Geelong. I thought Greig was a local boy? Is Bye returning home?

[Travvy43]

That's 3 very good players, but in a way, it's to be expected. It's happened at most clubs when they have aligned. Look at the amount of ex-bullants in the GV at the moment. Hopefully it strengthens the Ballarat FL, though I'm surprised Grieg has gone to Warracknabeal and Bye to Geelong. I thought Greig was a local boy? Is Bye returning home?

Grieg is a local boy, but got a handsome offer from what i hear. And yeah, bye is a geelong boy, will play down there but i think he will be still based in melbourne where he works.

[onslaught]

A bit of discussion on this at vflfooty.com, but North Melbourne must worried. I can't see them wanting to agree to the Devils requirement of a max of 6 players, locked into a deal for 3-years.

North Ballarat would be left with up to 10 or more Roos players. Surely the Roosters would only want about 6 Roos players as well? How did the meeting with the members go? Are they as opposed to the alignment as the playing list is?

If either deal falls through, the Roos are a bit stuck for options, and I can't see them wanting to be locked in for 3 years if it isn't working.

[Andyt30]

that's happening every where, i can use Northern Bullants for a example half the side is Carlton Senior players. this aligning with the VFL was a big mistake also AFL Totally stuffed they should Have kept the Resereves side biggest ever mistake to ever had happen .

[Barge]

How did the meeting with the members go? Are they as opposed to the alignment as the playing list is?

Cant speak for North Ballarat but I can bet you there was no "meeting" with the members of the Devils. She's basically a case of what the Decision Makers think is right is right!

I dare say, same goes for the players!

If they disagree, what are Wade, Abel, Armstrong and Co gonna do?

go back on the idea?

F**k the Devils! When they finally come to Hobart (haven't been here in 5 years) I'll be yelling GO YOU F**KIN SEAGULLS!

[Kingpin]

Cant speak for North Ballarat but I can bet you there was no "meeting" with the members of the Devils. She's basically a case of what the Decision Makers think is right is right!
The members would've received that pointless little feedback form, but that's about all.
They're not a real club, just a corporate franchise for bandwagoners.

[onslaught]

The Devils were flying over for a meeting earlier today between the Roos, the Roosters and Tassy.

Anyone heard any news?

[Kingpin]

The Devils were flying over for a meeting earlier today between the Roos, the Roosters and Tassy.

Anyone heard any news?
No mate wasn't home to see the news. I did see in the Mercury today however, a small ad in the back somewhere from the Devils (AFL Tasmania) saying that they would be holding a members forum (presumably at North Hobart Oval) early next week to enlighten members on the situation.
At the bottom of the ad is stated financial card holders only to attend, and membership cards must be produced on entry.

What a fun meeting that'll be.

[Guinea]

No mate wasn't home to see the news. I did see in the Mercury today however, a small ad in the back somewhere from the Devils (AFL Tasmania) saying that they would be holding a members forum (presumably at North Hobart Oval) early next week to enlighten members on the situation.
At the bottom of the ad is stated financial card holders only to attend, and membership cards must be produced on entry.

What a fun meeting that'll be.

Any chance of getting a tape recorder in there? I'd love to hear the reception the most loved bloke in Tas footy (Scott Wade) gets...could he sink it any further into the mire...

[mr incredibe]

there was a bit on the news tonight, devils will get both Rawlings's wen available and by the sounds of it they are only in it to get hold of some tall kpp.

with this going ahead wouldnt it be great to see the Mariners back in the TAC cup, its a real shame they would have really mixed it with the top teams this year, and with some of the players coming through they would be very competitive in years to come.

[Kingpin]

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28/10/05: Members Show Support For VFL Alliance

By Brett Stubbs
Devils members unanimously agreed last night to support the club's partial VFL alignment with the Kangaroos.
Only about 20 of the Devils' 2000 members turned up at the members'
forum in Hobart, but all voted in favour of the move.
"We have been members since the inception of the club," said Jo Morgan, of New Town.
"I was a probably a bit more against than for it before tonight, but having heard all the criteria, I think they are doing the best for the club."
Steve Williams agreed.
"There was no animosity," Williams said.
"The normal questions were asked like `Are the Tassie boys going to miss out if we do go in?'
"But they were all answered. It was quite encouraging."
For Lauderdale's Robert Hamilton, one of his main concerns was the relationship between the Devils and the Kangaroos.
"The thing I like about it is there seems to be a commitment by North Melbourne to the Devils to make it work," Hamilton said.
"There will be some resistance [next season], but when the public see it out on the field, I think they can be won over."
AFL Tasmania general manager Scott Wade said the meeting was productive despite the low turn-out.
"There were no dissenters at all," Wade said.
"The view of the members present tonight was that it was a terrific thing for the Devils and they were all for it.
"We do understand there will be some members who won't support the decision, but they had the opportunity to turn up tonight.
"They can suggest the notice was too short, but if they felt so passionate about it, then I would have thought they would have turned up."

20 people out of 2000 members is hardly unanamous support. Interesting that so few turned up.

[mattyc2422]

Marc Greig left the Roosters to play in the Wimmera Football League. Wonder if it had anything to do with the alignment.

[goalpie]

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28/10/05: Members Show Support For VFL Alliance

By Brett Stubbs
Devils members unanimously agreed last night to support the club's partial VFL alignment with the Kangaroos.
Only about 20 of the Devils' 2000 members turned up at the members'
forum in Hobart, but all voted in favour of the move.
"We have been members since the inception of the club," said Jo Morgan, of New Town.
"I was a probably a bit more against than for it before tonight, but having heard all the criteria, I think they are doing the best for the club."
Steve Williams agreed.
"There was no animosity," Williams said.
"The normal questions were asked like `Are the Tassie boys going to miss out if we do go in?'
"But they were all answered. It was quite encouraging."
For Lauderdale's Robert Hamilton, one of his main concerns was the relationship between the Devils and the Kangaroos.
"The thing I like about it is there seems to be a commitment by North Melbourne to the Devils to make it work," Hamilton said.
"There will be some resistance [next season], but when the public see it out on the field, I think they can be won over."
AFL Tasmania general manager Scott Wade said the meeting was productive despite the low turn-out.
"There were no dissenters at all," Wade said.
"The view of the members present tonight was that it was a terrific thing for the Devils and they were all for it.
"We do understand there will be some members who won't support the decision, but they had the opportunity to turn up tonight.
"They can suggest the notice was too short, but if they felt so passionate about it, then I would have thought they would have turned up."

20 people out of 2000 members is hardly unanamous support. Interesting that so few turned up.

1% support. Sounds like a winner.

[Andyt30]

Yep glad he and one other walked out he's coming to play for the warrack Eagles
he's originally from up this way any way he was involved with kalkee, in the Horsham district league, he's coaching Warrack eagles in 2006 :) i can see alot of walk outs happening at North Ballarat, half the nB playes won;t get games. this alligning with vfl clubs is total bull******** I wished carlton had gone back on their own as they were close to doing before the 2005 season came about . Marc said he wasn;t vary happy with the roos coming, hope he convinces other to leave and come up here give north ballarat a hint not to take in The Kangaroos i hope the roos enjoy their long trip To Ballarat :)
Marc's a Wimmera boy.
since he was involved with Kalkee when he was younger, before he went to Ballarat .