View Full Version : Murali's a chucker
bresker
16 Oct 2005, 13:22
I don't care he was born with a deformed arm, he should have learned to bowl with the other one. His elbow is bent like a boomerang.
They can do all the tests on his action they want but those deliveries just look plain WRONG. They have no place on the cricket field.
silky-smooth
16 Oct 2005, 13:27
Whether it looks wrong or not doesn't matter. He's allowed to do it. Love watching him bowl.
Great bowler.
Awesome_Wells
16 Oct 2005, 13:29
You can have your arm bent 15° if im not mistaken.
That high speed camera has made it look a lot worse. And it looked pretty bad before.
If that's 15 degrees, then my protractor is completely rooted.
m.diddy
16 Oct 2005, 13:43
You can have your arm bent 15° if im not mistaken.
Rules were changed to suit him.
Great player still.
Ice goddess
16 Oct 2005, 14:00
He adds something unique to the game. I love watching him.
I have always believed Murali throws.
Having said that, his action has been ruled legal, so I am done with any issues I have had with it.
From now on l will just enjoy watching him play as I do with other international cricketers.
usalion
16 Oct 2005, 14:32
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apollo_creed
16 Oct 2005, 14:36
Whether it looks wrong or not doesn't matter. He's allowed to do it. Love watching him bowl.
Great bowler.
Well said mate and Sherb as well.
He's been declared legal, regardless of our opinions. Its not his fault he's allowed to bowl which is why I can't understand the pure hate some have toward Murali.
He's a nice guy and deserves all I love watching him bowl also.
Go Murali!
The Rooch
16 Oct 2005, 14:39
He adds something unique to the game. I love watching him.
Yeah a chucker.
Drummond
16 Oct 2005, 15:22
Yeah a chucker.
I agree.
Kick him out, there is no place for a chucker in cricket.
Ricketts
16 Oct 2005, 15:26
If he didnt cheat he wouldnt be so good.
Smokey_22
16 Oct 2005, 15:28
Theres no way they could oust Sri Lanka's single greatest ever sporting feat.
The Rooch
16 Oct 2005, 17:35
if i bowl spin with a straight arm i can barely spin it. maybe 10cm's (i am a pace bowler so dont take that into account). but if i bend my arm then i can spin it atleast 30-40cm. it is a clear advantage.
Renegade
16 Oct 2005, 17:59
Are people still whinging about him? :rolleyes:
Im The Gun
16 Oct 2005, 18:56
if he was a white kid with blonde hair who grew up in Australia he would have got to training and not be allowed to bowl, but because he's black from the sub-con. he gets to play international cricket.
Money rules the game now and the ICC should be outted for this.
GoSydneySwans
16 Oct 2005, 19:01
He probably does throw it, but he's impossible to hate and I'm happy for him to do well. Even if he does chuck, he's a pretty good chucker.
Bartram_Class
16 Oct 2005, 19:02
Really like the guy, great all-round bloke.
Does have a slightly suspect action but if you think of the abuse hes gone through in his career thus far he deserves every one of his 500+ wickets.
Cassius_Clay
16 Oct 2005, 19:47
If he didnt cheat he wouldnt be so good.
Ah beat me to it.
ben.carbonaro
16 Oct 2005, 19:50
I don't care he was born with a deformed arm, he should have learned to bowl with the other one. His elbow is bent like a boomerang.
They can do all the tests on his action they want but those deliveries just look plain WRONG. They have no place on the cricket field.
Sore loser.
If you don't appreciate Murali, you don't appreciate international cricket in general.
Racial tones I think are coming in here as well.
Kangas_Scotty
16 Oct 2005, 19:52
Yeah, chucker.. who would of though you could get the 2nd most amount of test wickets in the world by chucking................................... NO BALL
bresker
16 Oct 2005, 19:59
Sore loser.
If you don't appreciate Murali, you don't appreciate international cricket in general.
Racial tones I think are coming in here as well.
It's not racial at all. I'm not a sore loser, I'm Irish and don't follow any particular country in cricket. I hope the World XI make a game of it. I like the guy, I condemn the idiots throwing bottles at him when he is fielding, I think he is very good for Sri Lankan cricket, and does a lot of good for his country and people.....
.....but......
....he's a chucker.
I can't enjoy watching him bowl because his action is so obviously suspect.
dogs105
16 Oct 2005, 20:00
By the Laws of Cricket as they stand, his action is legal.
If you want to change the laws to not allow any bending of the arm, you would end the careers of Lee, Shoaib, Flintoff, Bond, Jones, McGrath, Best and just about any off-spinner ever to play the game.
Kangas_Scotty
16 Oct 2005, 20:00
it takes the whole fun outta the game knowing he might turn an innings by bowling illegaly..
ben.carbonaro
16 Oct 2005, 20:03
It's not racial at all. I'm not a sore loser, I'm Irish and don't follow any particular country in cricket. I hope the World XI make a game of it. I like the guy, I condemn the idiots throwing bottles at him when he is fielding, I think he is very good for Sri Lankan cricket, and does a lot of good for his country and people.....
.....but......
....he's a chucker.
I can't enjoy watching him bowl because his action is so obviously suspect.
But his action is Legal.... ?
Are you suggesting the rules have been doctered to suit Murali ?
m.diddy
16 Oct 2005, 20:34
But his action is Legal.... ?
Are you suggesting the rules have been doctered to suit Murali ?
Yes. Benny they have by 5 degrees.
Before the investigation of his bowling action the angle was set at 10 degrees.
However I love him, top bloke.
matthedocker
16 Oct 2005, 21:07
Sore loser.
If you don't appreciate Murali, you don't appreciate international cricket in general.
Racial tones I think are coming in here as well.
how? there wasnt a single racial tone implied here! Murali does throw, the ICC did change the rules to suit him (i can understand why they would, but it doesnt make it right), and while I like the guy - he is very charitable, I dont think he should have been allowed to play the game with his dubious action!
also, i dont think the shirt i made for the WACA one dayer when murali decided not to play because of crowd behavior does not get enough credit..
"muttiah has no balls"
romanwfw
16 Oct 2005, 22:52
if i bowl spin with a straight arm i can barely spin it. maybe 10cm's (i am a pace bowler so dont take that into account). but if i bend my arm then i can spin it atleast 30-40cm. it is a clear advantage.
i'm sure you realise, even as a pace bowler, that he's a finger spinner. unless you have unbelivably flexible and strong wrists, and can bowl on a dime, i dont think you can judge
and somebody already said this, but why all the misdirected hate
the ICC have treated this as a basket case, no other bowler will ever be allowed to get thru the system like he did, so enjoy him for the bowler he is and the skill he has
e.g. the complete ownage of katich today
crownie
16 Oct 2005, 23:02
By the Laws of Cricket as they stand, his action is legal.
If you want to change the laws to not allow any bending of the arm, you would end the careers of Lee, Shoaib, Flintoff, Bond, Jones, McGrath, Best and just about any off-spinner ever to play the game.
Murali throws every ball and its blatant.
Aktar is the biggest chucker out of the quicks, Lee and Flintoff do chuck but its suspect at best.
the rest on the list are no problem.
crownie
16 Oct 2005, 23:06
it takes the whole fun outta the game knowing he might turn an innings by bowling illegaly..
i feel the same way, hard to be excited and wowed when he does something great.
johnnyhoward
16 Oct 2005, 23:51
I hate it when people bump threads from 1995.
dogs105
17 Oct 2005, 03:45
Murali throws every ball and its blatant.
Aktar is the biggest chucker out of the quicks, Lee and Flintoff do chuck but its suspect at best.
the rest on the list are no problem.
The point I was making that, if no bending is allowed, they would all be illegal. Glenn McGrath has a beautiful looking action, but slow motion tests showed bending of 4-8 degrees.
sportznut
17 Oct 2005, 05:59
He throws. He always has, pure and simple. If he was from Australia, no way would he have been allowed to play Test Cricket. (not that he would have even been allowed to get to that level with that action) Simply because he was from poor little Sri Lanka, he was allowed to get away with it. The rules have been changed to make sure he can play.
The fact is that unless he suffers a career ending injury to his throwing arm ;) , he's almost certainly going to end up the leading wicket taker in Test Cricket. What a disgrace that'll be.
Johnson#26
17 Oct 2005, 07:58
If it is in the rules (which it is) then its fine by me. Excellent bowler, and love watching him do his business. The amount of turn he extracts is amazing.
sportznut
17 Oct 2005, 08:26
The amount of turn he extracts is amazing.
Exactly, and why do you think that is???
Benno From Berwick
17 Oct 2005, 09:16
If it is in the rules (which it is) then its fine by me. Excellent bowler, and love watching him do his business. The amount of turn he extracts is amazing.
ICC sold its soul to allow the chucker to continue. The political fall out of banning him would near on destroy the money making cash cow cricket markets in India, Sri Lanka and even Pakistan. Cricket relies on massvie amounts of money in the form of Sponsopship, television rights coming out of the sub continient.
I seriously doubt you are a crciket purist if you can't see that.
I am sure you are not a purist if you enjoy seeing him throw as he does.
ben.carbonaro
17 Oct 2005, 09:17
He throws. He always has, pure and simple. If he was from Australia, no way would he have been allowed to play Test Cricket. (not that he would have even been allowed to get to that level with that action) Simply because he was from poor little Sri Lanka, he was allowed to get away with it. The rules have been changed to make sure he can play.
The fact is that unless he suffers a career ending injury to his throwing arm ;) , he's almost certainly going to end up the leading wicket taker in Test Cricket. What a disgrace that'll be.
Geez.... you feel strongly about this Ian.
Much different to how you react on the netball forums.
sportznut
17 Oct 2005, 16:52
Yeah, well I've played, coached and umpired Cricket, so I feel that I'm at least a little knowledgeable about the sport. Quite simply, he throws and he always has.
Would make a good trivia question in years to come. Which player has taken the most wickets in Test Cricket without actually bowling a ball? ;)
Joffaboy
17 Oct 2005, 17:28
ICC sold its soul to allow the chucker to continue. The political fall out of banning him would near on destroy the money making cash cow cricket markets in India, Sri Lanka and even Pakistan. Cricket relies on massvie amounts of money in the form of Sponsopship, television rights coming out of the sub continient.
I seriously doubt you are a crciket purist if you can't see that.
I am sure you are not a purist if you enjoy seeing him throw as he does.
Thats it in a nutshell.
Someone earlier wanted to play the race card, but if the history of this whole issue is known, it was the combined clout from the Asian cricket playing nations who pressured the lily livered ICC into changing the rules so the chucker could bring the spirit of the game of cricket into disrepute.
I have no time for chucking cheats, be they Sri lankan, English, Australian, or West Indian, Black, white, or Brindal. I dont care, they tear at the very fabric of cricket and bring it down to base levels.
Anyone want to tell me who was the last Test cricketer no-bqalled out of cricket because of chucking?
Give you a hint, he wasn't Asian.
didn't they change it from 10 to 15 degrees when they tested a few pace bowlers they found out that quite a few international bowlers bend beyond 10 degrees? i.e. Lee, Aktar etc.?
Browney
17 Oct 2005, 18:55
didn't they change it from 10 to 15 degrees when they tested a few pace bowlers they found out that quite a few international bowlers bend beyond 10 degrees? i.e. Lee, Aktar etc.?
Spot On.