North vs South: Another Super Series idea.

[kaysee]

2 teams chosen from countries in repected Hemispheres:

Northern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- England
- India
- Pakistan
- Sri Lanka
- West Indies

Southern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- Australia
- South Africa
- New Zealand
- Zimbabwe
- possibly Kenya??

Thoughts?

[ThePope]

The problem is why. Cricketers are complaining about schedules being too full already.

If they want to do this, make it a one-off, like the Tsunami games, or just make it every few years. Probably would be better than one country vs the rest though.

I wouldn't mind seeing it at the end of the World Cup to have an All-star game... maybe play it in USA following the Carribean world cup and use performances during the WC as the criteria, as long as they don't try to pick at least one player from each team (ie a token UAE/Kenyan/Namibian/Dutchman etc). Could be good for TV and good exposure in the US (maybe have a token yank in the Northern Team).

[POBT]

A nice novelty but that's about it. I agree - it would only have worth as a charity or "all-star" game.

Possible teams for a ODI:

Gayle
Sehwag
Dravid (c)
Lara
Pietersen
Flintoff
Sangakkara
Afridi
Vaas
Naved-Ul-Hasan
Murali


Gilchrist
Smith
Ponting (c)
Kallis
Symonds
Cairns (if he is still playing :confused: )
Hussey
Pollock
Lee
Vettori
McGrath

South would have it I think

[kaysee]

Yep... I agree... have it every 4 years mixed in with the World Cup and use WC performances.

Maybe have it mid-series in the WC inbetween the Group games and the Super Six rounds...

- Group Games.

- North vs South All Star game

- Super Sixes

- Semis

- WC Final

[eddiesmith]

They would be better off doing mixed teams as certain teams have weaknesses in different areas. I mean most of the sub continent players truggle away from there, so one team stacked with them playing elsewhere is going to struggle just like they did in the Tsunami game

If you are going to have a fun game, possibly as a fundraiser, then mix the teams, I want to see Warney bowling to Ponting, oh sorry Ponting wont be still in when Warney bowls, oh well, you get the idea

[Jaymin]

North vs South has been done....

It happened a few years ago.

Great game.

Michael Bevan hit about 170 and lost by a run.

[pluga_4]

bevo hit 185 not out and it wasn't a north v south game. it was asia XI v rest of the world XI in a one day exhibition match in dhaka 2000.

north v south is very mickey mouse. besides you left out bangladesh.

where would you play these games?? on the equator ???

people all over this forum are already saying what a waste of time the SuperSeries was, so whats the point of an alternative. besides if north played south or it was 22 combined players split into 2, who would remember who won and lost and who competed for which team. its not the AFL where players end up playing for multiple teams. test cricket is sacred.

[POBT]

north v south is very mickey mouse. besides you left out bangladesh.

where would you play these games?? on the equator ???

people all over this forum are already saying what a waste of time the SuperSeries was, so whats the point of an alternative. besides if north played south or it was 22 combined players split into 2, who would remember who won and lost and who competed for which team. its not the AFL where players end up playing for multiple teams. test cricket is sacred.

You should read the rest of the thread where it seems to be the common position that it should be a charity match or an "all star" type game which is worked around the World Cup - so it would be played somewhere near the World Cup venue.

Americans love all that "all star" crap - they'd probably pay a little bit of attention to a game like this.

I'd rather see a game like this every 4 years than the mindless, soulless one day snooze fests that are played around the world almost daily. Cut down on the constant stream of ODIs if the players don't want another game in the schedule.

[pluga_4]

it wouldn't really interest me to be honest. i like the traditional stuff.

i like the concept as it is. in saying that, i don't mind if they do scrap it either.

all this talk has come about because australia beat the world XI convincingly in both forms of the game. lets give credit to the aussies who outclassed the brilliant world XI on paper. also, australia not retaining the ashes put a dampener on the series before it begun. perhaps they need to fixture it straight after the no 1 nation has played the no 10 nation.

[Ljp86]

2 teams chosen from countries in repected Hemispheres:

Northern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- England
- India
- Pakistan
- Sri Lanka
- West Indies

Southern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- Australia
- South Africa
- New Zealand
- Zimbabwe
- possibly Kenya??

Wouldn't even bother with Zimbabwe, Kenya or Bangladesh

[POBT]

it wouldn't really interest me to be honest. i like the traditional stuff.



I agree but I guess there's more important things than how such a game is perceived in Australia. But then, I'd be happy if the only ODIs played were the World Cup and a three match ODI series between the host and visiting teams during the Test match schedule. But I'm sure that won't happen!

If there was a ICC sanctioned "Best of the Best" type ODI which coincided with the World Cup every four years and was played in a country where cricket needed a foothold, then it should go ahead. Eg, the 2007 World Cup could have a game in Florida with the profits donated to charity. The next World Cup in Asia could play the game in China or Japan. And so on.

[eddiesmith]

To those who dont like it, fine, but this is the sort of game they could look at delivering for charity once every couple of years. Plus they can be a bit of fun, whether it be a series of one dayers or a test or 2, they should look at bringing the best in the world together and helping out charity.

The other advantage a mixed team has is then both sides are even, say you could have in a North v South fixture, 2 teams who had just finished a series against each other on the same team whilst the opposition havent played for months.

The only way to have fair teams in these sort of games is to mix them up

[pluga_4]

yeah but you make a mockery of it all. how do you choose the sides? who chooses the sides? if its for charity lets put all international cricketers names into a hat, or have each country nominate 10 players(pick a number) and draw the players names and the team they are gonna play for out of a hat. afterall it's for charity isn't it????

[eddiesmith]

yeah but you make a mockery of it all. how do you choose the sides? who chooses the sides? if its for charity lets put all international cricketers names into a hat, or have each country nominate 10 players(pick a number) and draw the players names and the team they are gonna play for out of a hat. afterall it's for charity isn't it????

You get a selection panel together like the super series, 1 person from each of the 8 nations, you pick the 2 best sides in the world and mix them up so Warney and Murali are in opposite teams, McGrath and Warne also should be split up.

So you pit the best openers against each other, the best bowlers on opposite sides

[pluga_4]

thats exactly my point !!! who is the best??? we all have differing opinions.
there are people saying pathan, bond, vaas, kumble, harbajan, mccallum, strauss, jayawardene etc should've been included in the world XI side.
then you have the players who don't really care or both or use injury as an excuse like tendulkar and gibbs.

same thing happened in the tsunami match.

[eddiesmith]

thats exactly my point !!! who is the best??? we all have differing opinions.
there are people saying pathan, bond, vaas, kumble, harbajan, mccallum, strauss, jayawardene etc should've been included in the world XI side.
then you have the players who don't really care or both or use injury as an excuse like tendulkar and gibbs.

same thing happened in the tsunami match.

So you saying Sachin didnt want to play? Bloody hell he has barely played any cricket in the last 18 months

As for the best, it wouldnt be hard, pick them off the world test rankings

Best 12 batsman, best 6 pace bowlers, best 2 spinners. Gilly and Sangakarra, easy

[silky-smooth]

2 teams chosen from countries in repected Hemispheres:

Northern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- England
- India
- Pakistan
- Sri Lanka
- West Indies

Southern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- Australia
- South Africa
- New Zealand
- Zimbabwe
- possibly Kenya??

Thoughts?
Idea doesn't sound too bad, but why include Zimbabwe and Kenya in with the likes of Australia, South Africa and New Zealand? Without wanting to sound arrogant, every Australian player alone would get a spot ahead of anyone from Kenya or Zimbabwe - except maybe Heath Streak.

For something like this to really work, you need two committed teams. You need two teams who are there wanting to win. A tight-knit team from each corner.

You can't really have Team X vs ROW again. Just isn't going to work. A group of players who rarely talk with each other getting together for a couple of weeks for games against the world's best, who spend forever together, just doesn't work.

Africa/Asia/Oceania/Europe - that's about how you could split it up, for it to work effectively. They have to be playing for some sort of pride.

Rest of the World? I mean, c'mon. What are they actually playing for? Not their country. Not their continent. Not the world as such, because the world isn't supporting them.

In my opinion, Best versus the Rest just won't work in future. A little round-robin competition featuring Africa, Asia, Oceania and Europe would, split up like that...

Africa - South Africa, Zimbabwe, Kenya
Asia - Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka
Oceania - Australia, New Zealand
Europe - England, Ireland, Scotland

That would be entertaining to watch.

[eddiesmith]

Idea doesn't sound too bad, but why include Zimbabwe and Kenya in with the likes of Australia, South Africa and New Zealand? Without wanting to sound arrogant, every Australian player alone would get a spot ahead of anyone from Kenya or Zimbabwe - except maybe Heath Streak.

For something like this to really work, you need two committed teams. You need two teams who are there wanting to win. A tight-knit team from each corner.

You can't really have Team X vs ROW again. Just isn't going to work. A group of players who rarely talk with each other getting together for a couple of weeks for games against the world's best, who spend forever together, just doesn't work.

Africa/Asia/Oceania/Europe - that's about how you could split it up, for it to work effectively. They have to be playing for some sort of pride.

Rest of the World? I mean, c'mon. What are they actually playing for? Not their country. Not their continent. Not the world as such, because the world isn't supporting them.

In my opinion, Best versus the Rest just won't work in future. A little round-robin competition featuring Africa, Asia, Oceania and Europe would, split up like that...

Africa - South Africa, Zimbabwe, Kenya
Asia - Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka
Oceania - Australia, New Zealand
Europe - England, Ireland, Scotland

That would be entertaining to watch.
Problem with that is it is basically

England v South Africa v Best of Asia v Best of Oceania

Not that fair really

[silky-smooth]

Howso? You can only fit so much quality into each side, and considering your attitude over the past few months, England is seemingly unbeatable. {EDIT - And you would need to find a place for the Windies}.

What I'm alluding to is if I were an Australian team member in the South team, sure I'd like to win, but what actual good is it? You gotta play for something. Woo, South Earth beat North Earth. Now let's go kick the Moon's arse.

[Macca Magic]

Northern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- England
- India
- Pakistan
- Sri Lanka
- West Indies

Southern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- Australia
- South Africa
- New Zealand
- Zimbabwe
- possibly Kenya??

ODI:

Northern Hemisphere:

Gayle
Sehwag
Lara
Tendulkar
Dravid
Pieterson
Sangakarra
Flintoff
Akhtar
Harmison
Muralitharan

Southern Hemisphere:

Gilchrist
Smith
Ponting
Fleming
Kallis
Clarke
Pollock
Vettori
Lee
Bond
McGrath

[eddiesmith]

Northern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- England
- India
- Pakistan
- Sri Lanka
- West Indies

Southern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- Australia
- South Africa
- New Zealand
- Zimbabwe
- possibly Kenya??

ODI:

Northern Hemisphere:

Gayle
Sehwag
Lara
Tendulkar
Dravid
Pieterson
Sangakarra
Flintoff
Akhtar
Harmison
Muralitharan

Southern Hemisphere:

Gilchrist
Smith
Ponting
Fleming
Kallis
Clarke
Pollock
Vettori
Lee
Bond
McGrath
North would thrash South

[silky-smooth]

Southern Hemisphere:

Gilchrist
Smith
Ponting
Fleming
Kallis
Clarke
Pollock
Vettori
Lee
Bond
McGrath
As much as people like to rate Lee a good One Day bowler, I think Ntini or Bichel would get the nod easily. Noticably, the latter isn't even in the Australian team. One of the most unluckiest bowlers not to have been born in NSW.

I'd also take out Michael Clarke, and go with Hamish Marshall from NZ.

[pluga_4]

So you saying Sachin didnt want to play? Bloody hell he has barely played any cricket in the last 18 months

As for the best, it wouldnt be hard, pick them off the world test rankings

Best 12 batsman, best 6 pace bowlers, best 2 spinners. Gilly and Sangakarra, easy


in that case, why did the selectors pick him in the world XI squad in the first place, thats my point. besides he was playing meaningless cricket in india though.
also, if you are saying pick them off their current rankings, do you pick them 5 minutes before the game. the world XI selectors never picked them off their rankings, they took allsorts of things into consideration , conditions, who had played well against australia etc.

[pluga_4]

So you saying Sachin didnt want to play? Bloody hell he has barely played any cricket in the last 18 months

As for the best, it wouldnt be hard, pick them off the world test rankings

Best 12 batsman, best 6 pace bowlers, best 2 spinners. Gilly and Sangakarra, easy

best 12 bats, best 6 bowlers...so flintoff doesn't come into consideration then eddie ;) , coz he aint either.

[eddiesmith]

in that case, why did the selectors pick him in the world XI squad in the first place, thats my point. besides he was playing meaningless cricket in india though.
also, if you are saying pick them off their current rankings, do you pick them 5 minutes before the game. the world XI selectors never picked them off their rankings, they took allsorts of things into consideration , conditions, who had played well against australia etc.

Well this aint for a game against any particular country, dont you get it? By picking teams at random you dont have to worry about records against different teams, you could end up on the same team as the bloke who gets you out the most. The best batsman in the world might play on the same side as the best bowler in Test cricket, here he might actually have to face him for once

[mrcracker]

Africa played Asia a couple months ago in three ODI games. There were players from Kenya, Zimbabwe and South Africa playing for Africa (though I think a couple of them were token inclusions). The series was profitable and was bankrolled almost entirely by TV rights out of Asia.

[mrcracker]

It was also officially sanctioned by the ICC and contributed to statistics. The anti corruption panel of a few years ago recommended that no meaningless matches be held as they may be used by players to underperform for profit. To my knowledge there Tsunami matches are the only games to have been played without having a meaningful reward for playing well, such as a trophy or country representation or a contribution to career statistics.

This is a dangerous precedent, as an extreme and unlikey example was the decision to promote Glenn McGrath up the order in the Tsunami Melbourne match a piece of jocularity in a meaningless match or an attempt to keep the score below a level specified by a bookie or gambler involved in spread betting?

[eddiesmith]

It was also officially sanctioned by the ICC and contributed to statistics. The anti corruption panel of a few years ago recommended that no meaningless matches be held as they may be used by players to underperform for profit. To my knowledge there Tsunami matches are the only games to have been played without having a meaningful reward for playing well, such as a trophy or country representation or a contribution to career statistics.

This is a dangerous precedent, as an extreme and unlikey example was the decision to promote Glenn McGrath up the order in the Tsunami Melbourne match a piece of jocularity in a meaningless match or an attempt to keep the score below a level specified by a bookie or gambler involved in spread betting?

The Tsunami match was counted in players career stats

As for McGrath, it was a bit of fun, and i remember being at the match, we were hoping Glenny would be promoted up the order for a change :thumbsu:

[POBT]

It was also officially sanctioned by the ICC and contributed to statistics. The anti corruption panel of a few years ago recommended that no meaningless matches be held as they may be used by players to underperform for profit. To my knowledge there Tsunami matches are the only games to have been played without having a meaningful reward for playing well, such as a trophy or country representation or a contribution to career statistics.

Depends on the definition of meaningless. Obviously my interpretation and that of the ICC differs.

[mrcracker]

I stand corrected, Tsunami matches were official internationals contributing to stats. I don't count Tsunami matches as meaningless in terms of entertainment and fund raising, rather a match is meaningless when a player is in no way disadvantaged if they perform poorly, such as a drop in statistics.

[Macca Magic]

Northern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- England
- India
- Pakistan
- Sri Lanka
- West Indies

Southern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- Australia
- South Africa
- New Zealand
- Zimbabwe
- possibly Kenya??

Test:

North:

Sehwag
Strauss
Dravid
Tendulkar
Lara
Sangakarra
Flintoff
Vaas
Akhtar
Harmison
Muralitharan

South:

Smith
Hayden
Ponting
Fleming
Kallis
Clarke
Gilchrist
Pollock
Vettori
Bond
McGrath

[BarraKouta]

Northern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- England
- India
- Pakistan
- Sri Lanka
- West Indies

Southern Hemisphere to pick players from:
- Australia
- South Africa
- New Zealand
- Zimbabwe
- possibly Kenya??

Test:

North:

Sehwag
Strauss
Dravid
Tendulkar
Lara
Sangakarra
Flintoff
Vaas
Akhtar
Harmison
Muralitharan

South:

Smith
Hayden
Ponting
Fleming
Kallis
Clarke
Gilchrist
Pollock
Vettori
Bond
McGrath

Batting first, North by an innings and 150 runs
Batting 2nd, North by an innings and 40 runs

Just curious how the hell Clarke gets a spot in that team? He is struggling to keep his spot in the Aussie team, and you would play him in a combined team?

[Squizza]

Seeing that there's no Warne im guessing that's ODIs? But wouldn't you rather Gilly at the top in place of Haydos and Symonds in the middle order?

[eddiesmith]

Seeing that there's no Warne im guessing that's ODIs? But wouldn't you rather Gilly at the top in place of Haydos and Symonds in the middle order?
They said its a test XI

[Macca Magic]

was tossing up between astle and clarke for last spot seeing gibbs doesnt play middle order

[eddiesmith]

was tossing up between astle and clarke for last spot seeing gibbs doesnt play middle order
I would take Astle without thinking twice

[pluga_4]

lets face it eddie, you'd take anything non australian , ohhh unless it was victorian :p