Fast Bowlers - MY TOP 10

[superstar_09]

1: Glenn McGrath (Aus)
2: Shane Bond (NZ)
3: Steve Harmison (Eng)
4: Andrew Flintoff (Eng)
5: Chaminda Vaas (SL)
6: Irfan Pathan (Ind)
7: Shaun Pollock (SA)
8: Brett Lee (Aus)
9: Simon Jones (Eng)
10: Shoaib Akhtar (Pak)

[Browney]

Brett Lee better than Jones :D your kidding yourself

[superstar_09]

Jones has had the one good series while Brett Lee has consistantly been the best one day bowler in the world for two years.

[eddiesmith]

One day bowler? Who gives a ********

My top 10 Test bowlers
1. McGrath
2. Harmison
3. Vaas
4. Flintoff
5. Bond
6. Pathan
7. Jones
8. Ahktar
9. Ntini
10. Pollock

[superstar_09]

You's are severly underrating Lee. He is a much better bowler than Ntini

[Tazza_20]

simon jones really impressed me during the ashes, he would be no.2 on my list, i dont like shane bond,

1. Glenn Mcgrath
2. Simon Jones
3. Shane Warne (he should give pace a go - hes good at everything else)

[eddiesmith]

You's are severly underrating Lee. He is a much better bowler than Ntini

Yeah, his average of 40 over the last few years isnt a true reflection of Lees talents :rolleyes:

[superstar_09]

Tazza your a joke

[Browney]

The best one day bowler in the world for the past two years? For a start thats not true.
So being a good one day bowler makes you a good bowler? what a load of ********ing ********. Lee proves to everyone that he is a hack, that cant bowl in the Test arena, and can only pick up wickets in the One day game, where he removes tail enders and dismisses batsmen by them going the hit.

[superstar_09]

Yeah, his average of 40 over the last few years isnt a true reflection of Lees talents :rolleyes:

The ases was the first series in 18 months. He is now a much more hungry bowler and is ready to become the number 1 quick in the world. His effort is second to none and because of that he is going to be a much better bowler than Ntini who struggles to find the pitch. He Got substited after 4 overs in Sundays ODI vs NZ showing his value to SA

[superstar_09]

The best one day bowler in the world for the past two years? For a start thats not true.
So being a good one day bowler makes you a good bowler? what a load of ********ing ********. Lee proves to everyone that he is a hack, that cant bowl in the Test arena, and can only pick up wickets in the One day game, where he removes tail enders and dismisses batsmen by them going the hit.

Your a loser mate

[Tazza_20]

Your a loser mate

my thoughts exactly, lee is Australias 2nd best pace bowler in tests and one day matches these days so you cant really say that hes a hack

[Browney]

Your a loser mate
That there shows your maturity, you lack of knowledge on cricket and the fact that you have no evidence to back up Lee.

[superstar_09]

Thanks Tazz. Finally someone who sees lees worth.

[eddiesmith]

Lee is Australias 2nd best bowler by default, his baggy blue cap and the fact any other player who even gets a shot is injured or old and finished

Australia have better bowlers than Lee who will probably never get a game for Australia because they dont play for NSW

[Browney]

Thanks Tazz. Finally someone who sees lees worth.
Ahh fantastic, Tazz, someone who wouldnt have Bond in there top ten because "he doesnt like him" :rolleyes:

[superstar_09]

Brett Lee is able to get the critical first innings wickets however is not allowed to get the cheap second innings wickets because the ball is always thrown to Mcgrath and Warne.
Wickets Best Average
1st team innings 93 5/47 31.11
2nd team innings 68 5/61 35.67

[superstar_09]

Browney P-ss off mate

[Browney]

He averages 33 you idiot, case closed.

[Tazza_20]

Ahh fantastic, Tazz, someone who wouldnt have Bond in there top ten because "he doesnt like him" :rolleyes:

well thats the main criteria in my top 10, you got something against that?

[Browney]

well thats the main criteria in my top 10, you got something against that?
Do you mind me asking what your top ten is then?

[Tazza_20]

My top 10 Fav bowlers - Not to be mistaken with best 10 bowlers, even though its pretty obvious

1. McGrath
2. Jones
3. Kasper
4. Watto
5. Harmison
6. Akhtar
7. Lee
8. Flintoff
9. Vass
10. Kallis (for no real reason coz i dont really like him)

[Browney]

My top 10 Fav bowlers - Not to be mistaken with best 10 bowlers, even though its pretty obvious

1. McGrath
2. Jones
3. Kasper
4. Watto
5. Harmison
6. Akhtar
7. Lee
8. Flintoff
9. Vass
10. Kallis (for no real reason coz i dont really like him)
Fantastic :rolleyes:

[Renegade]

My top 10 Fav bowlers - Not to be mistaken with best 10 bowlers, even though its pretty obvious

1. McGrath
2. Jones
3. Kasper
4. Watto
5. Harmison
6. Akhtar
7. Lee
8. Flintoff
9. Vass
10. Kallis (for no real reason coz i dont really like him)

Could you be any dumber? Kasper and Watson? Every top order batsmen would lick his chops at the thought of those two coming down the pitch...heck most tail enders would be happy to see them with the ball.

[Tazza_20]

Could you be any dumber? Kasper and Watson? Every top order batsmen would lick his chops at the thought of those two coming down the pitch...heck most tail enders would be happy to see them with the ball.

can you read? i said my favourite bowlers not the best bowlers

[YOTC]

McGrath
Jones
Flintoff
Vaas

They are the best top 4 test bowlers going around, the rest dont even compare.

[Tazza_20]

best spin bowler = the one and only, king warne

[Sunny]

Brett Lee is able to get the critical first innings wickets however is not allowed to get the cheap second innings wickets because the ball is always thrown to Mcgrath and Warne.
Wickets Best Average
1st team innings 93 5/47 31.11
2nd team innings 68 5/61 35.67

Hi starz. :rolleyes:

[dan warna]

He averages 33 you idiot, case closed.
yes he does average 33, his average after his first 15 tests though is 39.x or something.

Here are brett Lees last 25 test matches:
fabulous effort by Australia's own Wickramasinghe
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered 43 755 62* 19.86 0 2 161 5/47 33.04 4 12 0
filtered 25 398 47 16.58 0 0 87 4/63 40.03 0 10 0

and here are the official bowling rankings with Brett Lee at a sunny 35 in the sun.

well here are the official test rankings:
1 +1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881 914 vs England, The Oval 2001
2 +1 Shane Warne AUS 874 905 vs England, Melbourne 1994
3 -2 Muttiah Muralitharan 871 915 vs Pakistan, Lahore 2002
4 +2 Andrew Flintoff 793 793 vs Australia, Sydney 2005
5 -1 Shaun Pollock 787 909 vs England, Johannesburg 1999
6 -1 Makhaya Ntini 784 807 vs West Indies, Port-of-Spain 2005
7 -1 Chaminda Vaas SL 770 788 vs West Indies, Kandy 2005
7 -1 Shoaib Akhtar 770 855 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2003
9 Matthew Hoggard ENG 762 762 vs Australia, The Oval 2005
10 Irfan Pathan IND 756 756 vs Zimbabwe, Harare 2005
11 Andre Nel SA 751 759 vs West Indies, Bridgetown 2005
12 Anil Kumble IND 733 859 vs Sri Lanka, Bangalore 1994
13 Danish Kaneria PAK 721 721 vs West Indies, Kingston 2005
14 Steve Harmison 707 875 vs West Indies, The Oval 2004
15 Shane Bond NZ 696 696 vs Zimbabwe, Bulawayo 2005
16 Harbhajan Singh IND 670 765 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2002
17 Jason Gillespie AUS 641 812 vs New Zealand, Adelaide 2004
18 Simon Jones ENG 625 631 vs Australia, Nottingham 2005
19 +1 Heath Streak ZIM 607 794 vs Sri Lanka, Colombo (RPS) 1996
20 +10 Stuart MacGill AUS 599 728 vs West Indies, Kingston 1999
21 -2 Daniel Vettori 592 681 vs Australia, Auckland 2000
22 -1 Chris Martin NZ 576 643 vs England, Lord's 2004
23 -1 Zaheer Khan IND 570 660 vs Australia, Brisbane 2003
23 -1 Shabbir Ahmed PAK 570 570 vs West Indies, Kingston 2005
25 -1 Pedro Collins WI 559 599 vs South Africa, Georgetown 2005
26 -1 Ashley Giles ENG 557 668 vs West Indies, Birmingham 2004
27 -1 Jacques Kallis 555 742 vs England, Leeds 2003
28 -1 Daryl Tuffey NZ 541 750 vs Pakistan, Hamilton 2003
29 -1 Michael Kasprowicz AUS 534 611 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2005
30 -1 Corey Collymore WI 528 539 vs Pakistan, Kingston 2005
31 Jermaine Lawson WI 511 519 vs Sri Lanka, Colombo (SSC) 2005
32 James Franklin NZ 508 528 vs Zimbabwe, Harare 2005
33 Dilhara Fernando SL 496 496 vs Bangladesh, Colombo (PSS) 2005
34 Mohammad Rafiq BAN 489 587 vs Zimbabwe, Chittagong 2005
35 Brett Lee AUS 479 658 vs West Indies, Perth 2000

[dan warna]

Brett Lee is able to get the critical first innings wickets however is not allowed to get the cheap second innings wickets because the ball is always thrown to Mcgrath and Warne.
Wickets Best Average
1st team innings 93 5/47 31.11
2nd team innings 68 5/61 35.67


what a weak weak pathetic argument to justify a weak pathetic bowler by a weak pathetic fan...

[usalion]

what a weak weak pathetic argument to justify a weak pathetic bowler by a weak pathetic fan...

Well, it is the new Lee defence- first it was..."He was injured" then it was "he can't get a game" now it is "they don't let him bowel in the second innings"

All three are rubbish- he aint good enough, but gets in now because others are injured, out of form, too old or too young...

[dan warna]

actually one defence arguement used for lee PREVIOUSLY was Lee was good at getting the tail out and closing innings quickly.

how they change their story...

[usalion]

actually one defence arguement used for lee PREVIOUSLY was Lee was good at getting the tail out and closing innings quickly.

how they change their story...

Well, they have to do everything in their power to show their boy is being persecuted by the cricket world...

[superstar_09]

Someone give me one legitimate reason why Brett Lee is no good?

That's right. None.

[Sunny]

Someone give me one legitimate reason why Brett Lee is no good?

That's right. None.

-Averaged over 40 in tests since his "return" from injury in 2001.
-Good ODI player while being carted in tests.
-Lee is the bowling version of Michael Bevan in ODIs.

[LarryLong]

Someone give me one legitimate reason why Brett Lee is no good?
His "starting the lawn mower" wicket celebration.

I could also bring up his record, but you only asked for one. ;)

[dan warna]

Someone give me one legitimate reason why Brett Lee is no good?


in the last 25 test matches he has consistently averaged about 39 runs per wicket.

he gets smashed by tail enders

he can't bowl more than about 5 overs consequetively before getting tired (compared to dizzy, kaspa, mcgrath, mcgill, warne etc who seem to bowl tirelessly)

he or his manager whinged incessently when he was out of the test side, DESPITE the fact that the bowling attack including kaspa were performing very well.

on his return series he gets smashed for 40 runs per wicket, and was smashed in the first innings despite getting first crack at the new ball.

I reckon Bichel, Inness, williams, rofe, bracken, kaspa all deserve their crack at the test side AHEAD of Lee.

he is 30 years old and still hasn't learned how to bowl fast without
he should be in the ODI side, but not in the test side.

his last 25 tests have been worse than any other fast bowlers 25 tests played by a fast bowler.

Thats why he's lucky to even get a guernsey.

[mrcracker]

It's pretty obvious Lee isn't in the top 10 bowlers given his Ashes performance and the fact he couldn't make the team ahead of Gillespie and Kaspra before the Ashes. I think you have to wait for Jones to do something outside of England before you can rank him higher.

My top 10 (with ICC ranking shown).
1 +1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881 914 vs England, The Oval 2001
4 +2 Andrew Flintoff 793 793 vs Australia, Sydney 2005
6 -1 Makhaya Ntini 784 807 vs West Indies, Port-of-Spain 2005
7 -1 Chaminda Vaas SL 770 788 vs West Indies, Kandy 2005
14 Steve Harmison 707 875 vs West Indies, The Oval 2004
11 Andre Nel SA 751 759 vs West Indies, Bridgetown 2005
5 -1 Shaun Pollock 787 909 vs England, Johannesburg 1999
15 Shane Bond NZ 696 696 vs Zimbabwe, Bulawayo 2005
7 -1 Shoaib Akhtar 770 855 vs New Zealand, Wellington 2003
18 Simon Jones ENG 625 631 vs Australia, Nottingham 2005

[dan warna]

pretty fair top 10.

akhtar is probalby one of the laziest bowlers going around though.

when you compare him to ntini, vaas, jones, Freddie, mcgrath even Lee who work reasonably hard, Shaiob is a lazy pr!ck.

[SkARkS_69]

1: McGrath
2: Harmison
3: Pollock
4: Flintoff
5: Vaas
6: Akhtar
7: Ntini
8: Bond
9: Jones
10: Pathan

[Rob B]

Lee is a wicket taker, someone who should bowl in short spells of fast pace and aggresion. He does have 161 test wickets from 41 tests, but averages 33 (40 in his last 25 tests) because of how many runs he leaks between the wickets.

I wouldn't bowl him for more than 5 overs at a time, he doesn't have the accuracy to build pressure like McGrath and Warne can, or Gillespie used to. Unfortunatly for Australia, Lee had to bowl too many overs (191 in the series) in the Ashes because only Warne was reliable for the majority of the series, McGrath wasn't at his best for 2 of the 3 tests he played.

What puzzled me was that Ponting kept bringing him on to bowl at Flintoff? Why? That was the most overated one sided 'battle' you will ever see. Fred kept taking him apart.

Question though. Who better can Australia currently play?

[dan warna]

Andy Bichel deserves another crack
Rofe a very disciplined bowler
White or Cullen as a development player (much like hte legendary richie benaud or steve waugh (who were carried by the side for the first 3 seasons of his career)
Inness was a great FC bowler before politics in the victorian side forced him out
lewis is ordinary but couldn't worse that bing

[usalion]

Someone give me one legitimate reason why Brett Lee is no good?

That's right. None.

I'll give three

Ashes- second test 2005

Lee, as lead bowler 17 overs, 1 for 111

As comparison, Dizzy bowled 22 as Lee's partner, and took 2 for 92 from 22 overs. Kasper was the thirds bowler, and took 3 for 80 in 15 overs

Third Test

Lee, opening with McGrath, who was NOT 100%. Lee bowled 27 overs, taking 4 for 100 (at least he got wickets)

In the second dig, Puner used him in quick bursts, with 12 overs, 1 for 60...more effective in the first dig

Fourth Test

Lead bowler, McGrath out again....32 overs, 1 for 131

So, as an opening bowler in three innings, Lee bowled 66 overs, took 6 wickets for 342 runs.

Leaking? That's a *****ing flood...bring on Hurricane Pretty boy!

And in Test matches, you can't have a leading bowler bowl just 5 overs. Lee claimed to be in the best condition of his life and he is gone after 30 minutes? Maybe he ought to bowl for the Poms and get the free substitutes....

Lee- Treble Centurion!!!!!!

[Sidey_87]

Andy Bichel deserves another crack

I totally agree he did nothing wrong and was dropped, also is a better all rounder than shane watson.

[Sidey_87]

1: McGrath
2: Harmison
3: Pollock
4: Flintoff
5: Vaas
6: Akhtar
7: Ntini
8: Bond
9: Jones
10: Pathan
very good top 10, i also rate pollock up there with the best.

[dan warna]

I totally agree he did nothing wrong and was dropped, also is a better all rounder than shane watson.

same with martyn IMO...scapegoat...

[superstar_09]

Skarks Top 10 Averages

1: McGrath 21.25
2: Harmison 28.40
3: Pollock 22.09
4: Flintoff 31.52
5: Vaas 28.94
6: Akhtar 24.78
7: Ntini 29.21
8: Bond 20.80
9: Jones 28.23
10: Pathan 26.15

BRETT LEE 33.04

This bagging of Lee is ridiculous. He is not that far of the other players and has only 12 of his 161 wickets against Bangladesh. While "the great" Andrew Flintoff only betters his average by 1.52

[dan warna]

Skarks Top 10 Averages

1: McGrath 21.25
2: Harmison 28.40
3: Pollock 22.09
4: Flintoff 31.52
5: Vaas 28.94
6: Akhtar 24.78
7: Ntini 29.21
8: Bond 20.80
9: Jones 28.23
10: Pathan 26.15

BRETT LEE 33.04

This bagging of Lee is ridiculous. He is not that far of the other players and has only 12 of his 161 wickets against Bangladesh. While "the great" Andrew Flintoff only betters his average by 1.52

yeah brett lee set the world on fire in his first year, he had a bowlinga verage of around 18 and everyone was real excited.

between 2001 and 2005 he has averaged 39.x

[F/D]

Hahahahahaha


So many underrate Pollock.....stupidty.


Pollock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lee

[Smokin_Joe]

pollock is good but not as good as he was 4-5 years ago imo.

Lee is a pie chucker in tests, good one day strike bowler.

[pluga_4]

it'd be interesting to see if some of you guys would now include binga :D

[F/D]

it'd be interesting to see if some of you guys would now include binga :D
Flintoff
McGrath
Pollock
Lee
Vaas
Ntini
Jones
Bond
Harmison
Nel

[king_Brown]

Ahh good old Binga is a clown in the tests at the moment but he is starting to get better :) :thumbsu:

Ahh yeah...here is my top 10 for tests

1.McRath
2.Pollock
3.Ahktar
4.Vaas
5.Bond
6.Pathan
7.Flintoff
8.Harmisson
9.Lee
10.Ntini

[kosi_23]

1. Mcgrath
2. Pollock
3. Harmison
4. Vaas
5. Ahktar
6. Flintoff
7. Pathan
8. Jones
9. Ntini
10. Lee

[starz]

1. Lee
2. Flintoff
------------
3. McGrath
4. Pollock
5. Harmison
6. Bracken
7. Clark
8. Akhtar
9. Jones
10. Vaas

[F/D]

1. Lee
2. Flintoff
------------
3. McGrath
4. Pollock
5. Harmison
6. Bracken
7. Clark
8. Akhtar
9. Jones
10. Vaas
Bracken over Ntini starz?

[Adelaide Hawk]

Brett Lee better than Jones :D your kidding yourself

Jones better than Brett Lee? You're kidding yourself.

[F/D]

Jones better than Brett Lee? You're kidding yourself.
I'd take Jones, killed Australia and thats what counts.

[starz]

Bracken over Ntini starz?
Yea you're probably right.
Ntini > Jones.
But not much in 3-10 they're all roughly the same these days.
Lee and Flintoff are leading the way.

[wce4premiership]

McGrath
Jones
Flintoff
Vaas

They are the best top 4 test bowlers going around, the rest dont even compare.

i think u mean the best test pace bowlers