If Brett Lee Plays In The First Test Im Never Going To Another Game!

[dogboy23]

I am sick of everyone saying how good he is the guy gets smashed every game and barely ever gets wickets.If he played for Victoria and Damian Fleming for NSW who do you think would be playing?It is so easy to see when watching it that he just sprays it to much.Maybe he got to carried away with trying to be the quickest in the world.What ever it is he is horribly overrated
:mad: :confused:

[Joe Mama]

I agree that there is a HUGE anti-victorain sentiment when selecting an Austrailan team (especially when the selectors mainly come from NSW and WA), and Damien Fleming would be in the team if he wore a light blue cap, and Michael Klinger would be groomed as a top batsmen if he was from NSW,WA or QLD. (why do you reckon Deano got srewed over so much ?).

But, Brett Lee has shown some good form recently, and Fleming was erratic in both the one day game and the shield match against Queensland, but Jason Gillespie has really shown the goods for South Australia.

Brett's got a tough series coming up against the South Africans (and a hit and giggle with the kiwis), this will show if he's got the balls to take over Glenn McGrath as our strike bowler.

[play on]

I heard on radio during the weekend that their is no NSW selectors, unless you consider Steve Waugh to be a selector.

Lee is in good form, and against NZ, I expect that to continue. So, I guess your days at the Cricket are over.:D

[The Hippie]

We didn't see the best of Lee in England because of lack of fitness after injury, slower wickets. This year, fully fit and with nice, bouncy wickets he should go alright. He's still young, he'll learn and he will become a good Test bowler.

Dogboy, the 'NSW bias' thing has become tiresome. The test squad has been the best in the world for a number of years, shows the selectors are doing something right, and you certainly can't argue much if any Queenslanders get picked, they've only been at the top of the Shield tree for a number of years.

And Play On, the Captain is only a selector on overseas' tours, not in Australia.

[walshy1993]

the guy is a superstar, and i think you are wrong

before england, he had a test average of 19 (correct me if im wrong)

obviously two things went against him in england
a) the pitches
and
b) he was injured

he shouldnt have played in england, i agree, fleming was much better suited to england conditions

but here in australia brett lee is in our best eleven

[Visro]

Bias towards states eh? Well who should replace who then? Besides maybe Fleming for Lee, who else is there? Everyone else has earned their spot cause they're the best, biased my arse! :p

[Bloodstained Angel]

Brett Lee's bowling action is a total disgrace.

[Chris_23]

Shock Selection For First Test

Eighty-One year old Jack Turner from Blaxland NSW will be selected for the first test later today. Vice-Captain Adam Gilchrist has been dropped after selectors finally remembered that he left the NSW Blues to play for the Western Warriors earlier in his career. An Australian selector was reported as saying "This sort of anti-NSW attitude can't be tolerated. Adam should've waited around for Phil Emery to retire. It's not like he wouldn't have had a chance to play for Australia, all people from NSW are eligible for the test team".

Jack Turner's brilliant performance behind the stumps in backyard cricket with his grandson last week, was enough to warrant an immediate call up. Mr Turner was thrilled when told of the news "It's just a dream come true. I never thought i'd get the chance to play for Australia, especially after i lost the use of my legs in WWII". The sceptics are questioning the selectors decision to play a crippled man behind the stumps, but Mr Turner is adamant that he can do the job "Mr Buchanan told me that he'll make some sort of device to prop me up, i'm sure we'll manage, i'm a New South Welshman".

Australian selectors have quashed rumours that they favour cricketers from NSW. A spokesperson for the selctors said "Bias? Are you kidding me? It's just that NSW have the best cricketers, we can't help it".

The Australian Side:

GJ Mail
MJ Slater
MG Bevan
ME Waugh
MA Higgs
S Lee
JR Turner (WK)
B Lee
SCG MacGill
NW Bracken
GD McGrath

[BMD]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the test selectors Trevor Hohns, Andrew Hilditch and David Boon? No New South Welshmen there.

Oh and the reason Dean Jones got dropped was off the field stuff - not cause he was a Victorian. A bit like Michael Slater being dropped.

[play on]

I think Allan Border is a selector as well.

[i_luv_westcoast]

WA has only recently years had players selected for the Test team. There are no WA selectors that I can see. Besides Warne, no other Victorian deserves to be in the current test team. Look how long Martyn had to wait to get another shot at test cricket. WA does not receive any favours from the selectors. I was born in Vic as well ok so it's not like im biased against them. WA is the state that has been screwed for years. Finally they are getting some players in the Australian Team which is great to see. The only bias by the selectors is to continually pick NSW fast bowlers. There batsman deserve to be there, and perhaps even MacGill (sp) should be. What has pissed me off over the years has been the hacks like Cook and Bracken who have managed to get a game.

[GOALden Hawk]

HAHA!!! Very good Chris!!

While I have questioned the bias of the selectors in the past (thankyou Scott Muller), their record speaks for itself. I'm not Brett Lee's biggest fan, but he has certainly done enough to deserve a place in the 1st test side.

How is his bowling action a disgrace BSA? I've looked at it and can't see any problem with it. Murali's is a disgrace! Shoab can occasionally look bad but is fine most of the time.

[dogboy23]

I may have jumped the gun alittle but it is just the inconsistency that kills me.They go on about the horses for courses thing and then pick Lee when he is half fit on slow tracks in England.We have Fleming who before he ran into injury trouble had one of the best summers I have seen anyone play and he gets screwed sometimes by players like Bracken.I agree there batsman selection has been fairly good since the panel has changed a bit.On Australias hard wickets Lee maybe one of the best options I just cant stop thinking of how many times Ive seen him slaughtered in consecutive matches only to hear excuse after excuse given.Also I think it fgives our attack a rather bland look as he is very similar to Gillespie.Im sure Lee will be a top bowler but at this stage I dont think he is worthy of automatic selection in the team.Im still bitter about the disgraceful treatment of Dean Jones and you can probably add Darren Lehman and Jamie Siddons to that list.:rolleyes:

[WA]

Originally posted by Wayde Petersen
I agree that there is a HUGE anti-victorain sentiment when selecting an Austrailan team (especially when the selectors mainly come from NSW and WA), and Damien Fleming would be in the team if he wore a light blue cap, and Michael Klinger would be groomed as a top batsmen if he was from NSW,WA or QLD. (why do you reckon Deano got srewed over so much ?).


:rolleyes:
Wonder whether Damian Martyn would agree with you....

[WA]

I probably should have read the whole lot before replying with my last one, but anyway, I totally agree with i_luv_westcoast on the West Aust issues.

[GoEagles]

Brett Lee got a 5 for the other day, so I've got no complaints if he gets in the test team. I do think he needs to have a good series against New Zealand, because he was quite poor in England.

[walshy1993]

i dont think there is too much bias happening
the side is just about right

you could make arguements for having a number of players in the side, cox is an example

noffke getting a contract is an interesting one

bsa, on brett lee's action, i guess your making the point that he throws the ball
my uncle is the assistant team manager / cricket analyst for the acb
last summer he spent a week watching various video tapes from all angles of brett lee's action and couldnt fault it
there is one delivery that he bowls that looks quite suspect to the naked eye, but when the footage is slowed down there isn't a problem

[gPhonque]

Brett Lee's more often than not an embarresment imo. Ok son, you can bowl fast - but can you land 6 balls in a row on the pitch please?

Mind you, he's just as likely to take 5 wickets and kill 3 people.

[Bulldog1954]

Thank God someone else hates Brett Lee

The man for starters is a chucker

It also ****s me how he celebrates like he has won world war 2 when he gets a bloke like Phil Tufnell out

He should have also been dropped on the tour of England. He had a bowling average in excess of 50 and when he did get wickets it was the tail

In the one dayers he got smacked, I believe 1 for 75 in one of the matches


He may have a good bowling average but that is deceptive. He has played all the bunnies but didn't play in India and hasn't met South Africa

And in regards to the bias to NSW it is obvious. Bracken getting picked was crap. A few years ago when Phil Emery played ahead of Darren Berry was a joke. When ever there is a borderline decision it goes to a New South Welshman.

I think our attack against the Kiwis should be: McGrath, Dizzy, Flemo and Warney. Funky should be the next bowler

I pray that Brett Lee gets called for chucking....... and soon. We Aussies bag Shoaib, it's the pot calling the kettle black

[The Hippie]

Fair dinkum, do some of you even watch the same game? If any of you read walshy's post, you'd see there isn't a problem with Lee's action, and from what I've seen I'd agree. Open you're eyes and stop bashing blokes just because he isn't from your state. Every year we see all this 'so and so's only getting a game because he's from NSW or QLD' It's tired and it's boring. Get over it.

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by The Hippie
Fair dinkum, do some of you even watch the same game? If any of you read walshy's post, you'd see there isn't a problem with Lee's action, and from what I've seen I'd agree. Open you're eyes and stop bashing blokes just because he isn't from your state. Every year we see all this 'so and so's only getting a game because he's from NSW or QLD' It's tired and it's boring. Get over it. I have no problem with Lees action and I dont just not like blokes because there from another state.Lee has not earnt a spot in the team I have no hatred for him I just dont think he has earnt a spot.On the bias you need only to look at the fact Emery played more games than Berry to see theres something wrong there.Other names that come to mind are Higgs,Cook,BRACKEN and Nash(australia a).These are only minor complaints because obviously the selectors cant be doing to bad a job.;)

[BUBBALOUIS]

Well heres my two cents worth .... i reckon B.Lee is an exceptional talent, but has had an armchair ride into the National Team and is untouchable despite poor form/injury ...... my first Test Team would include Ian Harvey as the third seamer behind McGrath and Gillespie, and batting at eight ......

[Bulldog1954]

The fact that Lee wasn't dropped in England was an outrage. His figures reminded me of when Brad Stacy was rolling his arm over for the Vics

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
Thank God someone else hates Brett Lee

The man for starters is a chucker

It also ****s me how he celebrates like he has won world war 2 when he gets a bloke like Phil Tufnell out

He should have also been dropped on the tour of England. He had a bowling average in excess of 50 and when he did get wickets it was the tail

In the one dayers he got smacked, I believe 1 for 75 in one of the matches


He may have a good bowling average but that is deceptive. He has played all the bunnies but didn't play in India and hasn't met South Africa

And in regards to the bias to NSW it is obvious. Bracken getting picked was crap. A few years ago when Phil Emery played ahead of Darren Berry was a joke. When ever there is a borderline decision it goes to a New South Welshman.

I think our attack against the Kiwis should be: McGrath, Dizzy, Flemo and Warney. Funky should be the next bowler

I pray that Brett Lee gets called for chucking....... and soon. We Aussies bag Shoaib, it's the pot calling the kettle black

a) he is not a chucker, read my post above
b) nothing wrong with celebrating a wicket, shows passion
c) his bowling performance wasnt great in england, but the pitches didnt suit, playing him is a good experience for the future, and we can carry someone with such a strong side
d) he was not meant to play a game in the one day games, and was no where close to being fit, was forced to play due to others getting injured
e) his test average isnt deceptive. he can only bowl against the opponents on the day, cant take anything away from him for not having played sth africa

[Kingy]

Brett Lee doesnt throw any more than Shoaib and a few others and as Walshy stated his action has been tested and passed ok.
I agree his form in England was ****e and he should have been dropped after the third test match.
A good fast bowler will carry on when he gets a wicket ..its called being competitive.
If anything Brett Lee is a victim of media hype, being the quickest bowler and all the hangers on you get when you are a premeir sportsman...having his own range of clothing, that book with his brother and all his TV appearances probably get in the road of improving his bowling. Once he gets that crap under control he will be a better bowler.
Dennis Lillee has put him under the pump by announcing that Mitchell Johnson is the new Jeff Thomson and that he is the most outstanding young quick he has seen..if Johnson can establish himself in the QLd team then Brett Lee might be under pressure to hold his place as the OZ tearaway quick...

The only cricketer I know to suffer selection bias was matthew elliott..Elliott had lost form anyway and deserved to be dropped
but its no secret that Steve Waugh isnt a fan of Elliott's attitude and personal manner...

[Bulldog1954]

His action is at least as suspect as Akhters. And Dizzy didn't seem to have any problem on the england pitches.

And I bet you when he does play India in India or South Africa his average will get worse and quickly. Or if he just bowls like he did against England

And if they wanted to "carry" someone in England for the future why not Noffke, he couldn't have done any worse

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Visro
Bias towards states eh? Well who should replace who then? Besides maybe Fleming for Lee, who else is there? Everyone else has earned their spot cause they're the best, biased my arse! :p

What about MacGill not getting a run when Warnie was going so bad and recovering from injury? Where was this NSW bias then? MacGill was on fire but couldn't hold his spot, yet Warne was getting caned...MacGill should have gone to India....Warne was USELESS there....

I agree Fleming should have been picked by the third test after it was obvious Lee was struggling, but the selectors chose to gamble with him and lost....happens sometimes.

Lee will demolish the Kiwis ....

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by Briedis


What about MacGill not getting a run when Warnie was going so bad and recovering from injury? Where was this NSW bias then? MacGill was on fire but couldn't hold his spot, yet Warne was getting caned...MacGill should have gone to India....Warne was USELESS there....

I agree Fleming should have been picked by the third test after it was obvious Lee was struggling, but the selectors chose to gamble with him and lost....happens sometimes.

Lee will demolish the Kiwis .... Theres one important difference Warne is one of australias greatest evr bowlers and is proven whereas Mcgill is not and his attitude stinks.The same could be said for alot of Mark Waughs efforts midway through his carreer when it really was a disgrace he was kept in the team.For example the players go on a tour of Sri Lanka in 1992 Dean Jones tops the averages with a average over 50 and Waugh has possibly the worst tour possible for a batsman with 6 consecutive ducks.Who is dropped for the next test Dean Jones effectively ending his carreer.:confused:

[WA]

Originally posted by dogboy23
Theres one important difference Warne is one of australias greatest evr bowlers and is proven whereas Mcgill is not and his attitude stinks.The same could be said for alot of Mark Waughs efforts midway through his carreer when it really was a disgrace he was kept in the team.For example the players go on a tour of Sri Lanka in 1992 Dean Jones tops the averages with a average over 50 and Waugh has possibly the worst tour possible for a batsman with 6 consecutive ducks.Who is dropped for the next test Dean Jones effectively ending his carreer.:confused:

Being a big Jones fan, I know where you're coming from there.

But regarding Warne, reputation should mean nothing. Current & recent form should mean everything.

[The Doctor]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
The fact that Lee wasn't dropped in England was an outrage. His figures reminded me of when Brad Stacy was rolling his arm over for the Vics

C'mon B54 that's a bit harsh on poor ol Brad Stacy. Why bring Stacy into this? What's he done wrong? I just think it is totally unacceptable to compare Brett Lee with Brad Stacy. Geeeez..I really feel for this poor guy. Who is Brad Stacy anyway? :D :p

[Bulldog1954]

Originally posted by The Doctor


C'mon B54 that's a bit harsh on poor ol Brad Stacy. Why bring Stacy into this? What's he done wrong? I just think it is totally unacceptable to compare Brett Lee with Brad Stacy. Geeeez..I really feel for this poor guy. Who is Brad Stacy anyway? :D :p

It was a bit harsh.

But Stacy looks good compared to our new back up spinner, John Davison........ God Help Us. I thank christ for Warney eveyday

[The Hippie]

Originally posted by walshy1993



b) nothing wrong with celebrating a wicket, shows passion


That's a good point right there, Walshy. The aussies get bagged for being robotic at times, and that Test cricket's boring, yet we get a player that shows a bit of excitement and everybody's straight on his back for being over the top with his celebrations. He's no more over the top than Ahktar or a few other's, but no one ever mentions them. Aussie bashing's still alive and well. :rolleyes:

As for 'wait til he bowls in India or Sth Africa', everybody's figure's cop a caning in India, look at Warney. Even Lillee struggled there.
But Sth African wickets could suit Lee, harder than Englands and seam as well.

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by The Hippie


That's a good point right there, Walshy. The aussies get bagged for being robotic at times, and that Test cricket's boring, yet we get a player that shows a bit of excitement and everybody's straight on his back for being over the top with his celebrations. He's no more over the top than Ahktar or a few other's, but no one ever mentions them. Aussie bashing's still alive and well. :rolleyes:

As for 'wait til he bowls in India or Sth Africa', everybody's figure's cop a caning in India, look at Warney. Even Lillee struggled there.
But Sth African wickets could suit Lee, harder than Englands and seam as well.


100% spot on

to be honest, im not a huge fan of brett lee's
maybe as a top order batsman im just not a fan of fast bowling
but i cant fault him, and i cant see any reason why he shouldnt be in the first test side