Bushrangers

[Bulldog1954]

What a pathetic start to the year for the Bushrangers.

Our one day side is a joke, so called "all rounders" in Simon Dart and Shawn Craig, are not up to it. They can't bat or bowl.

We rely far to heavily on Elliot, Hodge and Harvey to make the runs. Arnberger needs to start hitting some runs as he has been terrible this season. Mott needs to be quicker and more consistent and Klinger needs to step up bigtime if we are to be competitive

As for the shield I think we can turn it around. Victorias bowling attack is better then every other countries in the world bar South Africa and Pakistan

[tiger of old]

todays match hasnt swayed my opinon about the state of our side.
moss-ex new south welshman come down to vic with big raps performs well at club level is built like a brick s***house but at the moment he looks out of his depth.
klinger-big raps on this lad a few years ago but hasnt come on despite making a 50 today seems more suited at 4 day level.
craig-how many times does this bloke get a chance before the selectors realise he,s not up to it?
warne-came out today and lasted about 3 balls and he wants to be looked at as oz capt? good grief.
berry-been a great servant to the vics but his time is up.
i believe the state of victorian cricket mirrors the same problems as england about 4 sides too many in which their are some false indicators on how players are when performing at club level.
cheers!

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by tiger of old
berry-been a great servant to the vics but his time is up.
i believe the state of victorian cricket mirrors the same problems as england about 4 sides too many in which their are some false indicators on how players are when performing at club level.
cheers!


there isnt a high quality keeper playing premier cricket, berry is the best option and his keeping is close to the best in australia
roach is a hack, and there isnt a keeper batsman in premier cricket that would rival berry anyway, regardless of the fact that berry cant bat

craig is ordinary, moss and dart have had their chance

klinger, just cant nail it. tremendous talent but cant put it together

time for blokes like berger, jewell etc who have consistantly made runs for their district clubs to be given an opportunity

elliott, harvey and hodge speak for themselves

and inness, flemming, warne, reiffel, miller is a quality attack

[Bulldog1954]

Originally posted by tiger of old
todays match hasnt swayed my opinon about the state of our side.
moss-ex new south welshman come down to vic with big raps performs well at club level is built like a brick s***house but at the moment he looks out of his depth.
klinger-big raps on this lad a few years ago but hasnt come on despite making a 50 today seems more suited at 4 day level.
craig-how many times does this bloke get a chance before the selectors realise he,s not up to it?
warne-came out today and lasted about 3 balls and he wants to be looked at as oz capt? good grief.
berry-been a great servant to the vics but his time is up.
i believe the state of victorian cricket mirrors the same problems as england about 4 sides too many in which their are some false indicators on how players are when performing at club level.
cheers!

Berry is the best gloveman in the world bar none

[Bulldog1954]

Did u see Berrys stumping of Blewett, it was incredible

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
Did u see Berrys stumping of Blewett, it was incredible

So what? 99% of state keepers would have completed that stumping. Your earlier statement exposes you as a cricket ignoramus. Berry is a bloody hack.:D

[GoEagles]

Ian Healy was saying that Matt Elliot is the captain of Victoria. Why was Shane Warne given the flick, did he step down or was it the VCA's decision?

I didn't get the result of todays ING match, can someone post up the details?

[Visro]

I saw the stumping, so what? Blewett stuffed up big time, feet were all over the place and Berry had all the time in the world to stump him. Nothing special in that. One of the runouts was dodgy though, couldn't prove that the south Aussie bloke was out if you ask me!

Vis

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by Visro
I saw the stumping, so what? Blewett stuffed up big time, feet were all over the place and Berry had all the time in the world to stump him. Nothing special in that. One of the runouts was dodgy though, couldn't prove that the south Aussie bloke was out if you ask me!

Vis

it was out, everyone in my house thought it was out and saw the bail lift


that stumping of berry's was incredible, for anyone who has kept wickets before will know that
the ball went down leg side, meaning he lost sight of the ball from where it left moss' hand and went past the batsman
the ball would have been moving over 100km p/h
and he had the bails off in a flash

berry is the best keeper in australia, by a fair way if you ask me
gilchrists keeping to spin is laughable, this is an area where berry is outstanding

his glovework is the best in australia, and for those who think he is a hack, ill be interested to know why you have that opinion

also played against berry, and he is an annoying pr!ck, he wont shut up and really gets under your skin
normally im pretty good at blocking out what fielders say, but berry is impossible to block out

[tiger of old]

the times have changed poeple i wasnt having a go at berry,s keeping ability at all i agree he is the best gloveman in australia however his batting has gone to the dogs and while you say it shouldnt be up to the wicketkeeper to make runs he,s there as a keeper you only have to look at sides not only in the domestic level here in australia but around the world if you can keep and can bat your chances of playing for your country are higher than just being a keeper who struggles with the bat.
if australia can get by with gilchrist then surely someone at district level who is very handy with the gloves should be given a go at the one day level.
cheers!

[Visro]

Originally posted by walshy1993
it was out, everyone in my house thought it was out and saw the bail lift

Mate, I'm coming from an unbiased point of view as it didn't really mean much to me who won, but whoever got out from that run out, shouldn't have been out. My take of the events:

Berry took the ball long before the batter was near his crease, proceeded to what looked like stump the batsman but from the video playback you could not see the bails moving due to Berry's yellow shirt. My taking of the rules is that when the third umpire is called in, he can only pass judgement on whether a batsman is out when he sees where the bails moving in relation to the batsman. The first time where you saw the bails moving where when the batsman was past the crease and home. Prior to that it was impossible to see them moving. Hence even though he was most likely out, according to the rules, he should have been given benefit of the doubt and stay in.

[joshhem]

Originally posted by Visro


Mate, I'm coming from an unbiased point of view as it didn't really mean much to me who won, but whoever got out from that run out, shouldn't have been out. My take of the events:

Berry took the ball long before the batter was near his crease, proceeded to what looked like stump the batsman but from the video playback you could not see the bails moving due to Berry's yellow shirt. My taking of the rules is that when the third umpire is called in, he can only pass judgement on whether a batsman is out when he sees where the bails moving in relation to the batsman. The first time where you saw the bails moving where when the batsman was past the crease and home. Prior to that it was impossible to see them moving. Hence even though he was most likely out, according to the rules, he should have been given benefit of the doubt and stay in.

I agree with that one.... the things that looked like bails before that was the white line on the guy's shirt. I recon they should have given it the white light and have the field umpire make the decision.

[dogboy23]

Elliot-Not a one day player but still amongst the best batsman in the country
Arnberger-Shouldnt play onedayers
Hodge-Forced to carry to much of the work load
Klinger-Looks scratchy even during his 50 yesterday but has the talent.
Dart-Looks the goods I reckon.Has a good temprament and was not frustrated by the oppositions tight bowling.
Harvey-Unbelievable talent few better bowlers going around.Should not have to open in onedayers but a lack of aggressive batsman has forced it upon him.We should have gone for Ryan Campbell
Mott-Does job in 4 dayers


We are lacking aggressive batsman and this has mainly come about due to players with big wraps like Peake not coming through.I think we should persist with Klinger and Dart they will be players.Players like Jewell should be given strong consideration now that we can not make the finals of the onedayers.Our shield form hasnt been bad so stay with us there.;)

[Bulldog1954]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


So what? 99% of state keepers would have completed that stumping. Your earlier statement exposes you as a cricket ignoramus. Berry is a bloody hack.:D

I am a cricket ignoramus and you are a clueless ********.
Berry is by far the best with the gloves in this country, Gilly included.

Ask Rod Marsh, he has said it to. Is he a cricket ignoramus u moron

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954


I am a cricket ignoramus and you are a clueless ********.
Berry is by far the best with the gloves in this country, Gilly included.

Ask Rod Marsh, he has said it to. Is he a cricket ignoramus u moron

who cares ! We did some vic kicking again, thats all that matters !

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954


I am a cricket ignoramus and you are a clueless ********.
Berry is by far the best with the gloves in this country, Gilly included.

Ask Rod Marsh, he has said it to. Is he a cricket ignoramus u moron

Touch touchy you ****wit. Yes you are an ignoramus!! I always listen to people who back up their opinions by what other people say. Rod Marsh once believed that Mark Harrity was going to play for Australia and set the world on fire.
I don't agree with you about Berry and I don't think Gilchrist is that fantastic either, and I still believe that every other state keeper would have made that stumping.
You said Berry is the best in the world.....bar none.
Now let's talk about who's a moron smart guy.

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Touch touchy you ****wit. Yes you are an ignoramus!! I always listen to people who back up their opinions by what other people say. Rod Marsh once believed that Mark Harrity was going to play for Australia and set the world on fire.
I don't agree with you about Berry and I don't think Gilchrist is that fantastic either, and I still believe that every other state keeper would have made that stumping.
You said Berry is the best in the world.....bar none.
Now let's talk about who's a moron smart guy. Santos while I agree that the stumping was overated it is widely regarded that Berry is amongst the best glovesman australia has seen and it took Healy to top him
;)

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by dogboy23
Santos while I agree that the stumping was overated it is widely regarded that Berry is amongst the best glovesman australia has seen and it took Healy to top him
;)

Thanks for a reasoned reply. I'll accept your response as a staement of fact and I do agree in part. ;)

[Bulldog1954]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Berry is a bloody hack.:D

Still the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard in my life

[Santos L Helper]

As you seem to be unable to undestand humility (which I tried to show by giving you a level headed reply and acknowledging your opinion) and value the opinions of those who have played the game at a high level. Maybe we can discuss cricket experience, history and knowledge of the game one day.
Your post on the other thread sums it all up really. I love it when people like you try to insult people with an attempt at rapier wit and intelectual abuse. Well done, I know I'll be better from the experience.

[Jars458]

Thank God for the Bushrangers

They even make the Redbacks look good.


Our Pura Cup team is a disgrace but at least we are competiitve at one day level

Berry is a good keeper but not the best in Australia

I think both Secombe and MANOU have better glove skilss than Berry - as he is now

At his best he was right up there but was not in Healey's league


I was happy J Vaughan did not play - he is a shocker

Have Dart and Moss ever done anything??

Santos and Bullodog1954 - kiss and make up - its hardly worth fighting over.


Santos - Adelaide Oval 30th November - Day nighter against WA I think. Be there or be square!!

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by Jars458
Thank God for the Bushrangers

They even make the Redbacks look good.


Our Pura Cup team is a disgrace but at least we are competiitve at one day level

Berry is a good keeper but not the best in Australia

I think both Secombe and MANOU have better glove skilss than Berry - as he is now

At his best he was right up there but was not in Healey's league


I was happy J Vaughan did not play - he is a shocker

Have Dart and Moss ever done anything??

Santos and Bullodog1954 - kiss and make up - its hardly worth fighting over.


Santos - Adelaide Oval 30th November - Day nighter against WA I think. Be there or be square!! Berry may not ba great with the bat but to say that he is not currently the best glovesman in Australia is just wrong.Some of the stumpings he has made of Harvey,Reiffel,Saker and Lewis have been unbelievable.If the guy had of been able to bat he would have played a crap load of games for Australia.;) Dart has only just started his carreer and I think looks alright.Moss Im not real sure he is any good.Jars do you know how Dempsey is going over in S.A.:confused:

[Robbo1]

It's such a shame that the bushrangers can't even make the finals this year. I'm so disappointed!

GO THE BLUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jars458]

Originally posted by dogboy23
.Jars do you know how Dempsey is going over in S.A.:confused:

He made some runs in some second X1 games and therefore played the first shield game and was out first ball as part of the Harvey hatrick

The only reason he got a game is that our batting stocks are so low here after Blewett and Lehmann

The year SA won the shield we had the best batting line up in the country but since then it has gone down hill fast.

Players like Vaughan Davies Addcock and Johnson just havn't provided the goods.

We will have to disagree on Berry. Its probably who yo see more of. Rarely a game goes by without Manou getting a brilliant catch or stumping over here. Its a shame his batting is so crap (other than against Hodge it seems;) )

[stoisle]

Originally posted by Jars458

We will have to disagree on Berry. Its probably who yo see more of. Rarely a game goes by without Manou getting a brilliant catch or stumping over here. Its a shame his batting is so crap (other than against Hodge it seems;) )

Berry is way better than Manou. Manou was standing up at the stumps on Sunday and he had no idea how to keep to the medium pacers, and at one stage nearly broke a finger.

[Jars458]

Originally posted by stoisle


Berry is way better than Manou. Manou was standing up at the stumps on Sunday and he had no idea how to keep to the medium pacers, and at one stage nearly broke a finger.

So you didn't see his catch behind he took to the Medium pacer, can't quite remember who it was?

Has Berry taken every ball prefectly in his whole career has he?

[Bulldog1954]

Originally posted by Jars458


Has Berry taken every ball prefectly in his whole career has he?

Nearly.
He also holds the record for most consecutive balls without a bye. Second is daylight away

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954


Nearly.
He also holds the record for most consecutive balls without a bye. Second is daylight away

Yes, that was when playing for SA. Pity he dropped a few catches in the same period.

[Bulldog1954]

Just out of interest Santos Little Helper would you seriously prefer Manou over Berry if they were the same age?

[WCE2000]

Breakdown of Victorias Squad:

Matthew Elliot picks himself in the Victorian side. He is still on of the finest bats in Australia, but just is missing that something to play at test level. Still has plenty to give to the Vics.

Jason Arnberger had his best season to date last year, and will be looking to back it up. It is coming to the end of a pretty good career, and he will looking to go out on a high.

Brad Hodge is very talented, and picks himself, however, he is now 27, and his chances of representing Australia look pretty slim now, unless he does something huge this season, which so far he hasnt. His biggest problem was his temperemant, he is able to notch up a ton, but hasnt yet gone on to score that massive score.

Klinger has plenty of potential. He has done fairly well in his first few seaons with Victoria, with an average of just on 30, and hes only 21. Has captained Australian under 19 team, so he has plenty of potential, and it wouldnt suprise me if he wins a baggy green a few years down the line.

Shawn Craig goes allright, however he is 28 now, and its probably better the selectors look for someone younger. Its not as if he has set the world alight, averaging on 31. A big problem with him is his lack of aggresiveness, which a nowdays, batsmen need to be looking to score runs.

Jon Moss is nothing but an average all rounder. Did well in his time in Sydney, and will be a part of the Victorian side, however, he is nothing special.

Simon Dart is young, and just starting, however, hes struggling at the moment. Should improve into an average state cricketer, but i will be very suprised if he ever pushes the door for test selection.

Ian Harvey is a gem of a player, no need to say anything about him.

Darren Berry is a gun gloveman, however his batting leaves a lot to be desired. As good with the gloves as the come, but nowadays its more important that the keeper can bat, than keep extremely well.

Shane Warne is obviousbly first man picked in the side.

Damien Fleming is obviousbly second man picked.

Matthew Inness is a very good bowler, although he has a strange actioin, he has the numbers on the board. Will definetaly play test cricket down the track.

Ian Hewitt has struggled and doesnt show anything great to me. Nothing more than an average player, and i dont think he will last to much longer at this level.

Michael Lewis goes allright, although, being 27, you'd think the selectors would be looking for someone a little younger, as Lewis is not by any means a gun player.

Ben Oliver is a good talent, just 22 years of age, he did well in his only game last year but didnt go so well this year. Is a definate future prospect, and with a bit of work could go a fair way.

Cameron White is a huge talent. Just 17 years of age, has next superstar written all over him. With MacGill Warne and Miller all looking at retirment soon, he could be playing test cricket by 20 years of age.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
Just out of interest Santos Little Helper would you seriously prefer Manou over Berry if they were the same age?

1.......It's Santos L Helper. I am not named after SantAs Little Helper. Watch out for the correct episode and you may understand the difference.

2. No.

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by WCE2000
Brad Hodge
unless he does something huge this season, which so far he hasnt.

The bloke is averaging 161
what more would you like

Klinger and White are the future of the side, both are fanstastic cricketers and both very young

played against white, he is amazing

[The_Flying_Egg]

Darren Berry was Victoria when we were struggling a few years back. He was the only player who seemed to give a ****

And he is unbelievable with the gloves. Nobody else in the world could keep up to the stumps to someone like Reiffell or Fleming.

His record speaks for itself. Statistically I'd say he is the greatest Shield glovesman ever

[Darky]

Originally posted by walshy1993



there isnt a high quality keeper playing premier cricket, berry is the best option and his keeping is close to the best in australia
roach is a hack, and there isnt a keeper batsman in premier cricket that would rival berry anyway, regardless of the fact that berry cant bat

craig is ordinary, moss and dart have had their chance

klinger, just cant nail it. tremendous talent but cant put it together

time for blokes like berger, jewell etc who have consistantly made runs for their district clubs to be given an opportunity

elliott, harvey and hodge speak for themselves

and inness, flemming, warne, reiffel, miller is a quality attack

Well said on all counts Walshy.

But I made the same comment about Berry's batting last season and was called all sorts of things because I support NSW in state cricket. It's good to see a Vic supporter who has a bit of perspective, and can give objective criticism of his own team.

[WCE2000]

Originally posted by walshy1993


The bloke is averaging 161
what more would you like



sorry, when i wrote that i was looking at his one day scores, thought they were his shield scores.

Even though his got runs this year, he has to have a blinder of a year, and keep it up for all ten matches, just to come into consideration for a spot in a touring side.

Hes been on the verge for a while, but hasnt quite made the step, and it looks very unlikely now.

[Darky]

Originally posted by WCE2000


sorry, when i wrote that i was looking at his one day scores, thought they were his shield scores.

Even though his got runs this year, he has to have a blinder of a year, and keep it up for all ten matches, just to come into consideration for a spot in a touring side.

Hes been on the verge for a while, but hasnt quite made the step, and it looks very unlikely now.

Also, there are a lot of guys who have averaged around 50 for 8-10 seasons in a row now. Hodge has had two good seasons - last season and I think 1997/98. In between he was horribly out of form.

A good year this year will obviously not harm his chances, but you can bet that Hayden, Lehmann, Langer, Blewett, Bevan, Hussey, Symonds, S.Lee, Maher, Cox, etc will also have good years, because they do so just about EVERY year.

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954


Berry is the best gloveman in the world bar none

...and Glenn McGrath is the best batsman you have ever seen? :rolleyes:

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
Berry is by far the best with the gloves in this country, Gilly included.

Ask Rod Marsh, he has said it to. Is he a cricket ignoramus u moron

I will agree he is better than Gilchrist, I don't rate him very highly as a keeper and I reckon Warnie has suffered because of it a little bit through a lack of confidence in him. It was a sad day when Healy left...he WAS quality.

Not sure if Berry is better than Haddin or Seccombe though....probably not in my opinion. Haddin really does look the goods.

[Briedis]

Originally posted by dogboy23
Berry may not ba great with the bat but to say that he is not currently the best glovesman in Australia is just wrong.Some of the stumpings he has made of Harvey,Reiffel,Saker and Lewis have been unbelievable.If the guy had of been able to bat he would have played a crap load of games for Australia.;) Dart has only just started his carreer and I think looks alright.Moss Im not real sure he is any good.Jars do you know how Dempsey is going over in S.A.:confused:

Berry stands up to Reiffel and Saker?:confused:


Originally posted by Jars458
Thank God for the Bushrangers

They even make the Redbacks look good.

Our Pura Cup team is a disgrace but at least we are competiitve at one day level

I can never understand why SA are not competitive in Sheffield Shield. Is it the bowling? The batting always seems OK.

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by Briedis


I will agree he is better than Gilchrist, I don't rate him very highly as a keeper and I reckon Warnie has suffered because of it a little bit through a lack of confidence in him. It was a sad day when Healy left...he WAS quality.

Not sure if Berry is better than Haddin or Seccombe though....probably not in my opinion. Haddin really does look the goods. Yes Berry is far better than Haddin and Seccombe as an actual keeper.And yes he does and has stood up to the stumps to Fleming,Reifel,Saker and Harvey on alot of occasions and regularly pulls off leg side stumpings off them.Besides this Warne has said that Berry is as good a keeper off his bowling as anyone has been.;)

[walshy1993]

I really do believe berry is the best keeper in australia
however, if gilly went down tomorrow he wouldnt be my first selection
haddin would be, because in the end haddin is most likely going to be the next australian wicket-keeper
gilly is now 30 so probably only has 5 years to go
and the experience would be hugely valuable to haddin

that being said, berry is the best keeper to spin possibly in the world
gilchrists keeping in this department is close to laughable

berry is also a great team man and plays with a huge heart, and having played against him he really gets under your skin because he just doesnt shutup

[dogboy23]

Thaats exactly right Walshy.Haddin would definetly be next in line for Australia as he is younger and a better bat but Berry is without doubt the best keeper in Australia and possibly the world when it comes to just the art of keeping.:rolleyes:

[Jars458]

Originally posted by dogboy23
Thaats exactly right Walshy.Haddin would definetly be next in line for Australia as he is younger and a better bat but Berry is without doubt the best keeper in Australia and possibly the world when it comes to just the art of keeping.:rolleyes:


Haddin is an overated player - primarly because he is from NSW

Surely you need your keeper to be able to keep properly before you start worrying about their batting

Haddins batting is also very inconsistent

I would play Berry before Haddin;)

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by Jars458



Haddin is an overated player - primarly because he is from NSW

Surely you need your keeper to be able to keep properly before you start worrying about their batting

Haddins batting is also very inconsistent

I would play Berry before Haddin;)

you are spot on, and i would personally i would pick berry without thinking twice

but lets be realistic, thats not what the selectors will do if gilchrist goes down, it would be haddin or perhaps seccombe

and for long term benifit it probably would be wise to give haddin some experience

this is all of course hypothetical

[Fat Red]

Originally posted by Briedis


Berry stands up to Reiffel and Saker?:confused:






yes. if you didn't know that you shouldn't have rolled your eyes at dogboy

[Briedis]

Originally posted by Fat Red


yes. if you didn't know that you shouldn't have rolled your eyes at dogboy

I was rolling my eyes at the comment that he was the best in the world....pl-ease!

Also, what is the point of standing up to a fast-medium bowler. Any edges are going to go straight past you....and it's not as if you are going to get any stumpings.

Would he stand up to McGrath? Not a good tactic.

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by Briedis


I was rolling my eyes at the comment that he was the best in the world....pl-ease!

Also, what is the point of standing up to a fast-medium bowler. Any edges are going to go straight past you....and it's not as if you are going to get any stumpings.

Would he stand up to McGrath? Not a good tactic. He gets stumpings off the fast-mediums all the time and as has been pointed out rarely gives away byes or drops catches.;)

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by dogboy23
He gets stumpings off the fast-mediums all the time and as has been pointed out rarely gives away byes or drops catches.;)

I'd like to see some numbers on these stumpings he gets 'all the time' off the medium pacers.

[RogerC]

I always thought it was Santos L Halper. You might want to check that out before you start correcting others, Santos.

And if you have to ask about Berry's record keeping up at the stumps to medium pacers, you obviously don't know a lot aobut him. I ve seen it, he does do it, it seems crazy but he makes it look easy.

But as far as the topic is concerned, the Bushrangers are crap and look to be so for the duration of this season.

[London Dave]

The Vic side looks like they are not playing too well at the moment, but these things can change.

There was an interesting article in the Age online (cant find it now, think Greg Baum wrote it) about how Vics promising young cricketers had for aussie rules instead of cricket at 17/18, primarily cos the are more assured of a god living at AFL...600 AFL spots, 66 cricket spots etc.

Anyone think this will have long term effectson the Aussie team?

I suppose this effects every state in different ways,

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by London Dave
The Vic side looks like they are not playing too well at the moment, but these things can change.

There was an interesting article in the Age online (cant find it now, think Greg Baum wrote it) about how Vics promising young cricketers had for aussie rules instead of cricket at 17/18, primarily cos the are more assured of a god living at AFL...600 AFL spots, 66 cricket spots etc.

Anyone think this will have long term effectson the Aussie team?

I suppose this effects every state in different ways, I would say that it will definetly affect our team long term:(

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by RogerC
I always thought it was Santos L Halper. You might want to check that out before you start correcting others, Santos.

And if you have to ask about Berry's record keeping up at the stumps to medium pacers, you obviously don't know a lot aobut him. I ve seen it, he does do it, it seems crazy but he makes it look easy.

But as far as the topic is concerned, the Bushrangers are crap and look to be so for the duration of this season.

Thanks for the advice on the name Roger, I would never have known my error if you hadn't told me.:rolleyes: At least you know where it comes from and may even realise that once you register a name it's impossible to change it without re-registering. So before you start acting like my mother, remember at least I know where the name comes from.
Please don't try this stuff about not knowing anything about Berry too. I'm not doubting that he keeps up to the stumps and gets a few stumpings, however the thing I queried was that he gets 'a lot' of them.
I'll be keeping one eye on every one of your posts from now on Roger. Don't make me get the red pen out.:mad: :D ;)

[RogerC]

Sorry, Santos. You caught me in a moment of pique. No offence intended.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by RogerC
Sorry, Santos. You caught me in a moment of pique. No offence intended.

None taken.................