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eagleskickass
31 Oct 2001, 17:19
as title states
Will Justin Longmuir thrash Darren Glass sabre? :p
Remember what you said last time as well...:cool:
Vis
PS Be interesting to see where Croad plays and who picks him up. Same with your other recruits. You give us a Freo team that will be capably of playing (meaning no McPharlin) and we will try to match it.
dockerbabe
1 Nov 2001, 10:51
Originally posted by Visro
PS Be interesting to see where Croad plays and who picks him up. Same with your other recruits. You give us a Freo team that will be capably of playing (meaning no McPharlin) and we will try to match it. [/B]
or here is a better idea visro you give us a eagles team that is capable of playing and we will try to match it (and don't add in players the you think eagles will draft only add the players that are fit and able to play)
Okay, fine by me. I'm placing players by assuming that some players will automatically be playing there, for example, I am assuming that you will play Pavlich at CHF and hence Jakovich will be CHB. You get the drift anyway...
FB: McIntosh Glass Read
HB: Collica Jakovich Pete Matera
C: Wirrpunda Braun Fletcher
HF: Embley Gardiner Merenda
FF: Phil Matera Wilson Williams
R: Cox Cousins Jones
Bench: Gaspar Haynes Prior Kerr
Emer: Taylor Sierrakowski Carroll
There ya go, I could have missed some players but thats all I can think off the top of my head...
Vis
sabre_ac
1 Nov 2001, 17:40
Visro your going to get slaughtered
FB: McIntosh Glass Read
Croad Longmuir Farmer
HB: Collica Jakovich Pete Matera
Koops Pavlich McPhee
C: Wirrpunda Braun Fletcher
Woods Bell Walker
HF: Embley Gardiner Merenda
Carr Jones Longmuir
FF: Phil Matera Wilson Williams
Kickett Brown Hadrill
R:Micheal Haslby Cook
Talk about a whitewash!!!
Your going to get killed all over the ground
Blues_Brat
1 Nov 2001, 17:46
A decent victory would see Freo on top and West Coast at the bottom..
Ooh baby!!! :D
blockerhall
1 Nov 2001, 18:01
whats with starting derby specialist Clive out (or on the bench)...are you that confident?
I don't think Clem will start, somehow. Eastie or Simmonds is a match for Cox, anyway.
eagleskickass
1 Nov 2001, 21:24
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Visro your going to get slaughtered
FB: McIntosh Glass Read
Croad Longmuir Farmer
HB: Collica Jakovich Pete Matera
Koops Pavlich McPhee
C: Wirrpunda Braun Fletcher
Woods Bell Walker
HF: Embley Gardiner Merenda
Carr Jones Longmuir
FF: Phil Matera Wilson Williams
Kickett Brown Hadrill
R:Micheal Haslby Cook
Talk about a whitewash!!!
Your going to get killed all over the ground
Croad will test McIntosh. Glass and Longmuir will be tight. Farmer and Read, depends on what mood farmers in.
Collica will beat koops, Pavlich will beat Jako, McPhee Pete will be tight
Woods Wirrapunda, depends how Wirra feels, he should win, Bell will beat braun, but i think Rowan Jones will tag bell. Walker Fletcher tight.
Carr will beat Embly, Gardiner will beat Jones, Merenda Longmuir, close, Merenda may take charge.
Phil will kick a few, Brown Wilson, depends which wilson attends, Williams Haddril, williams just wins
Ruck close Contest, Cous to beat Cook, Kerr Haslby will be a close one
I don't see a whitewash, a close game actually! Eagles MAy struggle to get the score though, but I'll be cheering loud for them!!
dbhattarai
2 Nov 2001, 05:22
"Merenda may take charge"
ROFL
Troy Longmiur is extremely under-rated.
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Visro your going to get slaughtered
FB: McIntosh Glass Read
Croad Longmuir Farmer
HB: Collica Jakovich Pete Matera
Koops Pavlich McPhee
C: Wirrpunda Braun Fletcher
Woods Bell Walker
HF: Embley Gardiner Merenda
Carr Jones Longmuir
FF: Phil Matera Wilson Williams
Kickett Brown Hadrill
R:Micheal Haslby Cook
Talk about a whitewash!!!
Your going to get killed all over the ground
HAHAHA, whatever mate!
Croad vs McIntosh - 1 on 1 dual, McIntosh will beat him. On the lead, Croad would win. Lets not forget however that Croad hasn't properly played forward yet full time. In his first game as a forward pocket, he hardly is going to set the world alight.
Glass vs Longmuir - you said last time that Longmuir would easily beat Glass. Pfttt, you were wrong. Longmuir didn't kick jack **** and Glass kept him out of the game very well. It will be more of an even contest this time but to suggest that Longmuir will thrash Glass (again), is hardly unlikely.
Read vs Farmer - how's farmer going to play? Good or bad? If he's having an average day (which is more than likely the way he plays) it will be a dual which Read wins. If Farmer is on fire, expect Collica to be moved onto him or maybe even Williams who can play down back on small forwards.
Collica vs Koops - Fairly even. Koops is a hot and cold player though so depends if he's on fire or not. Collica should restrict his game anyway.
Jakovich vs Pavlich - what did you say last time about this dual....oh thats right, that Pavlich was going to cream over Jako. Not only were you wrong but Jako was BOG. HAHAHA, give us another one sabre.
Pete Matera vs McPhee - this will be one of the funniest duals ever. You seem hell bent that McPhee is a great forward DESPITE the fact he didn't play there once this year and was played as a defender. In his first game there, IF he does play there, he is hardly going to set the game on fire. These things take time sabre! :rolleyes: :p Peter Matera would thrash him anyway...
Wirrpunda vs Woods - hard to say who would win. Woods is young and promising but doesn't turn up sometimes. Wirrpunda doesn't play wing often and so would be a bit out of his ground. On pure talent basis however, Wirrpunda wins.
Bell vs Jones - Bell would win but don't underestimate Jones. Even if Jones has a good day however, Bell will pick up 20 odd possies. Banfield could also be moved onto Bell if things weren't going too well. You win the battle anyway.
Walker vs Fletcher - cant believe you wasted a top pick on this guy. Yeah sure he is fast and all the like, but when has he actually done something? Hey Fletcher is no superstar either, but I still think this dual would be even.
Embley vs Carr - too hard to say. Carr is a good half back but his skills aren't the greatest. If his job were to merely restrict Embley, he would succeed just. Can't really say on this dual...
Gardiner vs Jones - Gardiner would win. Jones is an allright player but in my opinion Gardiner is better. Gardiner would run right off Jones and would win easily. Carr would be a better option in my opinion...
Merenda vs Longmuir - hard to say again. Merenda is a very flashy player but he doesn't always kick the amount of goals we need from him. He will always kick a goal or two but another goal would be very handy from him. Longmuir is a fringe player but is still allright. No where near as good as his brother however. Still, should be fairly even...
Phil Matera vs Kickett - Phil easily. Faster, more evasive and more importantly, younger. Kickett is still a good player but I think Phil is better and he should win the dual comfortably.
Wilson vs Brown - Wilson would be a lot faster than Brown and would beat him on the lead. How much of an impact Wilson would have depends on his kicking on the day. Jones on Wilson and Brown on Gardiner would probably be a better dual for you guys.
Williams vs Hadrill - Hard to say. Williams is a better player but doesn't turn up sometimes. Hadrill is still very inexperienced. Don't know really and Williams might not even play there...
Michaels vs Cox - Michaels? Im surprised you're even putting him in the team. First game back from a long term injury, you honestly expect him to play well. Cox is also 10 cm taller than him or thereabouts and will bulk up over summer. Think what you will...
Haselby vs Cousins - hmmm, well let me see.....who would win...geez this is a tough one! :rolleyes: (where was haselby this year)
Cook vs Braun - I don't know if Cook would be tagging but should be fairly even.
What about your interchange sabre?
What about Kuep? I respect your views more than sabre as at least you aren't so disillusional. FreoDocker?
Vis
Ok Vis, since you asked so nicely, here it is, but before I go any further, I must admit that this is Cameron Schwab's team, taken from an East Freo bash last night - and for mine, it makes more sense than me inventing a team, as it is far more likely to be used:
FB: McIntosh Glass Read
J.Lo Croad Farmer
HB: Collica Jakovich Pete Matera
Koops Brown Clive
C: Wirrpunda Braun Fletcher
Walker Haselby McManus
HF: Embley Gardiner Merenda
McPhee Pavlich Carr
FF: Phil Matera Wilson Williams
McPharlin Jones Parker
R: Cox Cousins Jones
Simmonds Cook Bell
Bench: Gaspar Haynes Prior Kerr
Woods Clem T.Lo Kicket
Now, lets take a better look at those matchuips, as for mine, thats what I see happening ... I'll look at it row by row, instead of the individual matchups, if thats ok with you ;)
Ok, for mine, the Freo FF line will cause you some issues. All 3 of that line havve pace, and decent skills - and in the case of farmer lightning quick - there has to be a ? over Phil Read's pace and turning circle after a knee recon - and Milli's ability to do anything but run in straight lines these days is well documented - and J Lo would hurt him for height anyway - for mine, this line to Freo in a points desicion.
The next line is very interestting, as there is alot of height there - a matchup of Matera and Cllive, as an example, is a big mismatch - Clive would kill him in the air, but could still match him for pace on the ground - skills however would havr to go in Mater'a favour. Collica/Koops is a good matchup for both teams, and fairly even. Brown/Jacko is also a good one, with similar players of similar stature - for mine Brown should ensure a somewhat negating role for Jackovich, to ensure he cant get the soft possessions he seems to accrue just wondering off his man -play him tioght, and drag him back to the last line as often as possible, and then his main benefits as a rebounder (how that works at his pace I still cant fathom) become nnegated, and his lack of pace around goals can also be exploited. This line? A draw (yes, a cop out for mine)
The centre line is also very even - with similar players on both sides, with Wirra and Hasleby being the gamebreakers for both sides. If either one of thoise players gets a lot of the footy, then the other side is in trouble - in Wirra's case, he can break lines and open the play up, and in Hasleby his ghost dog like accuracy will hurt any side hitting targets int he forward line. Once again, im going softer than Mr Whippee, and taking a draw on this line ;)
The 1/2 forward line fo the toast looks weak for mine to be honest, and I seriously dont think you can afford to play Gardiner there, but I'll play it as it lies, as they say :) Embley, is average - he has been in the system a long time now, and doesnt produce, period - any 1/2 decebnt 1/2 back can quell his influence, and someone like McPhee is the perfect man for that job. On the other flank, Merenda is also serviceable, and not alot more, a close checking backman would assist - but I dont feel Carr is the best matchup for him to be honest - more of a rebounder, but I'd say this one ios a draw. Gardiner and his girl puches thrown against Pavlich in the 2000 'blood bath' derby always make me laugh, and Pavlich is a good matchup for him for mine - strong, good overhead - a young Jacko if you like. I'd also pencil this one as a draw to be honest - leaving McPhees win over Embley tipping the favour in Freo's favour.
The Full forward line fo the wet toast is average at best - with only one true matchwinner - Phil 'seagull' Matera, the only man I know who was cleaned up by an umpire, and needed a full shoulder reconstraution, whilst the umpire finished the game (once again the 2000 derby). Parkler has done well on him before, and the other 2 matchuips look fgood for us (I do relaise that the rd1 side wont include Luke Mcpharlin, but I have used Schwabby's side here, so gimme some latitude ;) So, once again, no clear winners here - and williams ina forward pocket astounds me - how many goals has he veer kicked? Anyway, i'll be fair and call draw, but for mine, you lack alot of potency up forward, and will struggle to kick goals with that line up.
The ruck is interesting, with Simmonds haveing decent wraps as a tap ruckman, but little else, and Cox being the same really - how many kicks did cox manage all year - whenever i saw you guys, his first, second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth options were always handballs, and his disposal shows exactly why ;) SO once again, call me a fencesitter - too close to call.
The following division is interesting, wuith argueably the 2 best players frokm both sides, Bell and Cousisns cancelling each other out, and the Cook/Jones matchup is interesting, cooky not really being a tagger per se. On the strength of Cousisns last year I'll give it toyu, but just - he needs to play to the same high standards, which wont be easy (see Crawford, S and Woewoedin, S).
So it comes down to the interchange, and it is here I feel Freo has more flexxibility. Woods gives you literally any position, ANd clem can play key position, or ruck - so we can in fact have 3 ruckmanin the side - very very handy in this day and age. Kickett provides the experience and hardness at the contest (and at phil read if he villifies him again) and T-lo the same, but a younger version ;)
Gaspar and Kerr are both quality up and comers, but the other 2 really are just making up the numbers, so the endge to Freo here.
So my tip? Whilst will be very close, I am confident that Freo can kick alot more goals this year, and as such, will taken them by 5 goals, kicking away in the last qtr - how does that sound!
Damn, now that killed some work time on a friday morning - anyone else like to set me a task! ;)
dockerbabe
2 Nov 2001, 18:52
Originally posted by Visro
Pete Matera vs McPhee - this will be one of the funniest duals ever. You seem hell bent that McPhee is a great forward DESPITE the fact he didn't play there once this year and was played as a defender. In his first game there, IF he does play there, he is hardly going to set the game on fire. These things take time sabre! :rolleyes: :p Peter Matera would thrash him anyway...
Vis
ok who ever said mcphee was a great forward "i want wat your on"
he is a good defender and can kick the occasional goal but he is deffinately no forward unless we are short of forward players
and the only way matera would beat him would be because of his experience
FreoDocker
2 Nov 2001, 19:04
What about Kuep? I respect your views more than sabre as at least you aren't so disillusional. FreoDocker?
Yeah ??
FreoDocker
2 Nov 2001, 19:08
Ahhh I understand now
lol
Put it this way ..... all I'm hoping for is a good close game of footy to start off the season, like the games where WCE won by 4 points and the dockers won by 1 point. Those games were bloody good.
As for round 1, I'll wait and see how the dockers go in the preseason and practice matches and how the players work together before I go making any bold predictions.
Either way I'll be there for sure!!!
Originally posted by dockerbabe
ok who ever said mcphee was a great forward "i want wat your on"
he is a good defender and can kick the occasional goal but he is deffinately no forward unless we are short of forward players
and the only way matera would beat him would be because of his experience
How about you read some of sabre's posts about how Freo's forward line will be unstoppable. Matera would beat him on experience and skill. lmao, McPhee's only a second year player (next year), hardly likely that he's going to bust a game open.
Oh cmon this is silly West Coast will easily beat the wooden spooners just like last year.
The whole game rests with one man. That man is Gardiner. There should be no doubt that he will start in the middle and destroy Simmonds, Eastaugh or Micheal forcing Freo to move Longmuir out of the forward line. Our midfield of Cousins, Kerr, Jones, Braun, Fletcher, Wirrpunda and your all forgetting Morrison (if healthy) should easily control the middle with Gardiner controlling the ruck.
Our forward line may not be that special but with the amount of ball that should go forward then we will kick enough goals to win by 5 or 6 goals.
Its simple really.
Two players that are certainties not to start are Morrison and McPharlin. Their injuries will prevent them from playing before mid next season.
eagleskickass
3 Nov 2001, 09:24
I am really just going to wait and see who we DO pick in the draft. Will be interesting to see if any changes are made to the teams since we both have an early pick who MAY be ready to go Rd1.
Also I expect David Haynes to really lift a notch this year. He has a strong mark, and can play. He could be a surprise come Rd1
Originally posted by jod23
Oh cmon this is silly West Coast will easily beat the wooden spooners just like last year.
Whilst I respect your passion for your side, Jod old son - I must ask, where was the critique of my analysis on the game - at least do me the favour of pointing out where I was wrong, instead of carte blanche dismissal based solely on hope! ;)
The whole game rests with one man. That man is Gardiner. There should be no doubt that he will start in the middle and destroy Simmonds, Eastaugh or Micheal forcing Freo to move Longmuir out of the forward line.
Jod, if he is such a dynamo and destroyer of ruck's, why did you only win 5 games last year? And why did a clearly lesser Freo side of 2001 manage to be a draw at 3qtr time of the first derby, and 10 points down 10 minutes into the last of the 2nd one? Gardiner is in no way a bbad player - but I sure thing you maybe slightly overconfident in his abailities to dominate a game - how many games did he dominate last year? any? 1?
Our forward line may not be that special ...
We agree on something there old chap - seriously, how are you going to kick enough goals in any games, not just this one, to improve - as the forwards you now have are seriously poor, other than Phil 'the seagull' Matera - another quality Sth Freo product btw ;) That's your problem IMHO - not enough 'gamebreakers' in the forward 1/2 to kick a score.
Its simple really.
Indeed it is, your blind faith has got in the way of a reasoned arguement! ;)
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Visro your going to get slaughtered
FB: McIntosh Glass Read
Croad Longmuir Farmer
HB: Collica Jakovich Pete Matera
Koops Pavlich McPhee
C: Wirrpunda Braun Fletcher
Woods Bell Walker
HF: Embley Gardiner Merenda
Carr Jones Longmuir
FF: Phil Matera Wilson Williams
Kickett Brown Hadrill
R:Micheal Haslby Cook
Talk about a whitewash!!!
Your going to get killed all over the ground
Ok Kuepper on your request...
McIntosh v Croad - hard to call as Croad can disappear in games or be very good, either way Milli is an experienced defender and rarely loses one on one. A draw unless Croad really turns it on which is unlikely.
Glass v Longmuir - should go the same way as last year :D Glass should win but this matchup should only last a quarter at most as Longmuir will have to be moved into the ruck.
Farmer v Read - too many if's for Freo, IF Farmer turns up as the Wiz then he will kick 6 and be tough to stop but how many times a year does he turn it on nowadays...Read is a solid hardnut backman and if the Wiz doesnt turn up then Read will run all over him.
Collica v Koops - Collica easily, Koops like Farmer is hot and cold but Collica is a reliable athletic rebounding backmen who is coming off a great year. No reason why Collica wouldnt win this matchup.
Jakovich v Pavlich - Jakovich, too good, too strong and too experienced. Should cut up Pavlich like he did last year.
Matera v McPhee - This is a joke isnt it. 2 time premiership player, Norm Smith medallist, runner up brownlow, 5 All Australian guernseys against a second year ok player. Matera too easy.
Wirrpunda v Woods - There both players who can go missing but Wirrpunda is much like Farmer, if he turns it on he will have way too much class for Woods.
Bell v Braun - unrealistic matchup as there is no doubt Jones will tag Bell but for the sake of argument Bell should win as he is all class but Braun is no slouch.
Fletcher v Walker - still dont see the reasoning behind Walker, seems like a dud to me, Fletcher coming off a pretty good year should claim this matchup.
Embly v Carr - Carr is a solid backman and should have Embly's number unless Embly finally breaks out and shows us the talent that he has but refuses to use...i doubt that would happen though so Carr for mine.
Gardiner v Jones - unrealistic matchup again as Gardy should start in the ruck but for arguments sake..Gardiner too easy. Too tall, too strong and very mobile for a big man.
Merenda v Longmuir - pretty even. Merenda should kick his regulation 1 or 2 a game but you cant see him kicking a bag, Longkuir isnt half as good as his brother and at best is serviceable. Pretty even.
Matera v Kickett - Kickett, too old & too slow to keep up with Joey. Joey could kick a bag and expect him to have a new opponent halfway through the second quarter as he kicks his third on the hapless Kickett.
Wilson v Brown - Brown is very good but i havent seen 1 Full Back stay with Wilson on the lead. He used to be a 100 metre runner before footy so he can beat anyone on the lead. If he kicks straight he wins the matchup, if he doesnt then Brown will win. Wilson must play defence if the ball is loose as Brown loves to break lines and run it out of defence.
Williams v Hadrill - Williams just. More experience and can take a strong mark, Hadrill isnt a bad player though and will get his fair share but i give the nod too Williams. Williams may play back though as he can play anywhere.
Micheal v Cox - doubt Micheal will play and i doubt Cox will start in the ruck but if they do it should be fairly even. Cox is actually quite good at ground level but his kicking lets him down. Micheal wont play so its hard to comment.
Cook v Jones - Both quality players, Cook can go missing at times but Jones will be tagging Bell anyways...cant call it ..
Cousins v Haselby - No contest Cousins by an Ice Age. Will run Haselby into the ground and cut up Freo at his pleasure.
So there you Kuepper, considering your midfield to ours we should win so much of the ball to supply our forwards with enough opportunities to beat you by 6 or 7 goals. Should be a good start to the year for the Eagles. Give us some confidence, thanks to the AFL for giving us a certain victory at the start of the year.
Whilst I appreciate the effort, any chance of leaving Sabbre's all star 22 alone, and using the one that Cameron Schwab and I used - seeing as that is 100% more likely to occur?
Anyway - I love your blind hope, and will save this thread for next April, methinks it may come in handy.
Btw - while you are on a roll Jod, tell me - how many games will our respective teams win next year?
With your dominant midfiled and superstar ruckman, you'd have to win at least 10 games wouldnt you? ;)
eagleskickass
4 Nov 2001, 10:33
Its nice to hope I agree Jod, but some of those analysis's are using the eagles players at their best ie Milli(he isn't what he used to be). Also I think you have underestimated a couple of the dockers. Still I think it will be a close contest, at this time to close to call!
But then again, Schwabs team won't be 100% correct either. McPharlin aint going to be playing for awhile yet. I also assume that at least one of our top draft picks #3,#5 (McDougall) or #6 will be playing but who it would be is anyones guess.
sabre_ac
4 Nov 2001, 17:01
Originally posted by kuepper
Whilst I appreciate the effort, any chance of leaving Sabbre's all star 22 alone, and using the one that Cameron Schwab and I used - seeing as that is 100% more likely to occur?
Anyway - I love your blind hope, and will save this thread for next April, methinks it may come in handy.
Btw - while you are on a roll Jod, tell me - how many games will our respective teams win next year?
With your dominant midfiled and superstar ruckman, you'd have to win at least 10 games wouldnt you? ;)
Kuepper by all means please correct me.
Post the team that you shwab created.
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Kuepper by all means please correct me.
Post the team that you shwab created.
*slap* pay attention! :p
This one, from my post above:
J.Lo Croad Farmer
Koops Brown Clive
Walker Haselby McManus
McPhee Pavlich Carr
McPharlin Jones Parker
Simmonds Cook Bell
Woods Clem T.Lo Kickett
Got it? lol
sabre_ac
4 Nov 2001, 22:41
Originally posted by kuepper
*slap* pay attention! :p
This one, from my post above:
J.Lo Croad Farmer
Koops Brown Clive
Walker Haselby McManus
McPhee Pavlich Carr
McPharlin Jones Parker
Simmonds Cook Bell
Woods Clem T.Lo Kickett
Got it? lol
Pavlich and Brown switching places permenantly???
Simmonds the number one ruckman over Micheal???
Not sure about that.
Personally I would put swap Croad with Brown before I switched Brown with Pavlich.
Originally posted by kuepper
Whilst I appreciate the effort, any chance of leaving Sabbre's all star 22 alone, and using the one that Cameron Schwab and I used - seeing as that is 100% more likely to occur?
Anyway - I love your blind hope, and will save this thread for next April, methinks it may come in handy.
Btw - while you are on a roll Jod, tell me - how many games will our respective teams win next year?
With your dominant midfiled and superstar ruckman, you'd have to win at least 10 games wouldnt you? ;)
100% correct now is it Kuepper.....cmon son you know aswell as i do that wont be your lineup come round 1.
Buckleys and none that McPharlin will be playing and Clem Micheal is still an enigma as is Waterhouse. If were going to blatantly lie then can we have Morrison in our side???
And once again you put words in my mouth. Gardiner is in the top 5 ruckmen in the comp but is no superstar, on the verge one thinks...and our midfield is not dominant on general terms but it is dominant compared to your lot.
And my predictions... West Coast to win 9 games, Freo to win 6. Two of our 9 wins will be against the Shockers.
Originally posted by jod23
100% correct now is it Kuepper.....cmon son you know aswell as i do that wont be your lineup come round 1.
Damn, and here I was thinking they taught literacy at school these days, and I take the liberty of quoting myself:
seeing as that is 100% more likely to occur...
So where do I say 100% correct? Oh thats right, you didnt actually read what I wrote ;)
Buckleys and none that McPharlin will be playing and Clem Micheal is still an enigma as is Waterhouse. If were going to blatantly lie then can we have Morrison in our side???
I agree, I said, 3 times now, this is the Side Schwab used as an example, which truth be told, is far more likely to occur, monce again if you read by original post I say there has been liberty taken with at least one player ... come on, you gen-x's have the attention span of a gnat. Waterhouse has finished in the top 10 in the comp for goal kicking, and I disagree strongly with your comments - if he was in your side, for example, he would eb the focal point 'the man' goalkicking wise. Michael coming back from injury is an unknown, for sure - hence the bench starting position ...
And once again you put words in my mouth.
Gardiner is in the top 5 ruckmen in the comp but is no superstar, on the verge one thinks...and our midfield is not dominant on general terms but it is dominant compared to your lot.
Ahh so you missed sarcasm 101 at school as well Jod ;) I was joking, well and truely my good man. Interesting you say Gardiner is on the verge of becoming a 'superstar' This will now be his 6 th season by my count - and I do realise that talls take longer to develop that smalls, so how long does it take?
And my predictions... West Coast to win 9 games, Freo to win 6. Two of our 9 wins will be against the Shockers.
Ok, just out of interest, what other 7 teams/games do you think you can win as well? I need a good laugh on a monday morning :)
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Pavlich and Brown switching places permenantly???
No, all oplayers, especially talls, have to have the ability to play both ends of the ground Sabre, this is a preferred lineup in regards to starting positions, yes.
Simmonds the number one ruckman over Micheal???
The guy (michael) has been out of fotty for over a year Sabre, whats he going to do walk on in like nothing's happened? for a Rd 1 side, I think thats on the money.
Not sure about that.Personally I would put swap Croad with Brown before I switched Brown with Pavlich.
And that's why you are moderator of this board, and not on the coaching panel, sabre! :D
Originally posted by kuepper
Damn, and here I was thinking they taught literacy at school these days, and I take the liberty of quoting myself:
seeing as that is 100% more likely to occur...
So where do I say 100% correct? Oh thats right, you didnt actually read what I wrote ;)
I agree, I said, 3 times now, this is the Side Schwab used as an example, which truth be told, is far more likely to occur, monce again if you read by original post I say there has been liberty taken with at least one player ... come on, you gen-x's have the attention span of a gnat. Waterhouse has finished in the top 10 in the comp for goal kicking, and I disagree strongly with your comments - if he was in your side, for example, he would eb the focal point 'the man' goalkicking wise. Michael coming back from injury is an unknown, for sure - hence the bench starting position ...
Ahh so you missed sarcasm 101 at school as well Jod ;) I was joking, well and truely my good man. Interesting you say Gardiner is on the verge of becoming a 'superstar' This will now be his 6 th season by my count - and I do realise that talls take longer to develop that smalls, so how long does it take?
Ok, just out of interest, what other 7 teams/games do you think you can win as well? I need a good laugh on a monday morning :)
You think your a shot at the Finals!! Where the hell do you think you can win 11 12 games from??? Anyways we can beat Geelong, Saints, the Roos, Melbourne, a couple of upsets..
On Gardiner, never said it 6 years ago becuase you and i hadnt met until maybe a year ago on this board so stop coming up with ludicrous lies...oh and 6 years is the same number of years that Freo was gonna breakthrough and be a finals side...funny that. :D
Originally posted by jod23
You think your a shot at the Finals!! Where the hell do you think you can win 11 12 games from??? Anyways we can beat Geelong, Saints, the Roos, Melbourne, a couple of upsets..
Im starting to worry about you Jod, please show me where I said we will make the finals? No where, i'll save you the bother of looking. As for the restm, good to see 'a couple of upsets' is the best factual backup you could have of your far fetched statement, nice one. ;)
On Gardiner, never said it 6 years ago becuase you and i hadnt met until maybe a year ago on this board so stop coming up with ludicrous lies...
Seriously Jod, I am now very worried about your literacy and comprehnsion skills, so I'll take it _real_ slow for you, I wrote above:
Interesting you say Gardiner is on the verge of becoming a 'superstar' This will now be his 6 th season by my count - and I do realise that talls take longer to develop that smalls, so how long does it take?
As stated, I said it is GARDINERS SIXTH SEASON NOW and you say he is developing into a 'superstar' - and I asked HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE. please, take note of the words in caps, take it slow, take a deep breath and see how you go.
oh and 6 years is the same number of years that Freo was gonna breakthrough and be a finals side...funny that.
Yup, you are 2 years into, it, and by my count it will be at least another 2-3 before you play finals, and lo and behold, thats nearly 6 years too! Judge not, lest thee be judged, jod old son! ;)
Kuepper all of you Dockers fans think you will make the Finals next season...if im wrong then tell me that you wont make the Finals. And if you arent going to make the finals, how many games will you win and who against..
We won 5 last year and with some quality youngsters out of the draft, a new coach and a different attitude i see no problem with winning an extra 4 games next year.
On Gardiner, yep sorry about that, i thought you said i had been saying that for years. But on him he has been a very good ruckmen for 3 years now and should really step up hopefully next year to become a top flight player. I know he has the talent. Its not like he has sucked for 6 years and i keep predicting he will come good. He is already very good but on the verge of becoming a top flight player...
Originally posted by jod23
Kuepper all of you Dockers fans think you will make the Finals next season...if im wrong then tell me that you wont make the Finals.
You are wrong. ;) No, I do not feel we will make the finals, what i do think will happen is that we will wwin sunstantially more games - how many? I have no idea - I would guesstimate in the 7 to 12 bracket - dependent on injuries/suspensisions/form etc - so many variables. Who would we beat? unlike you Jod, I am not so stupid as to go out on a limb here - but if you look at the 2001 results, and where Freo were placed repeatedly in a position where we could knock over anyone (ie being up by 2 goals 1/2 way through the last qtr vs Brisbbane at the Gabba) in all seriousness very few teams hold any fears - but who? who knows, if I knew that, I wouldnt be wasting my early starts on this site, I'd be living the phat life as a professional gambler ... but it is sweeping generalisations such as 'all dockers supporters think you will make the finals' that breeds such gems as 'all Eagles supporters are arrogant tossers' - just as ill informed my good man ;)
We won 5 last year and with some quality youngsters out of the draft, a new coach and a different attitude i see no problem with winning an extra 4 games next year.
Jod, going by your past fdrafting record int he last 6 years or so, I wouldnt be too confident that you will 100% sure get some good youngsters ;) That said, yes more than likeyl you will - but will they produce next year? or will they go the McDougall path? Youth in the national draft does not make an impact straight away - and if anyone knows that, it's a Freo supporter ;) I will say this though Jod, if you do win more than say 6 games, John Worsfold is officcially the messiah, can walk on water - and im off to get him to run my rainwater tank into a friggin vat of wine!
On Gardiner, yep sorry about that, i thought you said i had been saying that for years. But on him he has been a very good ruckmen for 3 years now and should really step up hopefully next year to become a top flight player. I know he has the talent. Its not like he has sucked for 6 years and i keep predicting he will come good. He is already very good but on the verge of becoming a top flight player...
No denying he isnt bad per se, just wondering how long it takes to make the step up to 'superstar' that's all - I personally feel that while serviceable, he isnt ever going to take games apart and own them - as I said earlier this thread, how many games did he dominate lasst year? any? That isnt a sledge ieither, a genuine question on what maketh a ssuperstar, thats all.
Originally posted by kuepper
You are wrong. ;) No, I do not feel we will make the finals, what i do think will happen is that we will wwin sunstantially more games - how many? I have no idea - I would guesstimate in the 7 to 12 bracket - dependent on injuries/suspensisions/form etc - so many variables. Who would we beat? unlike you Jod, I am not so stupid as to go out on a limb here - but if you look at the 2001 results, and where Freo were placed repeatedly in a position where we could knock over anyone (ie being up by 2 goals 1/2 way through the last qtr vs Brisbbane at the Gabba) in all seriousness very few teams hold any fears - but who? who knows, if I knew that, I wouldnt be wasting my early starts on this site, I'd be living the phat life as a professional gambler ... but it is sweeping generalisations such as 'all dockers supporters think you will make the finals' that breeds such gems as 'all Eagles supporters are arrogant tossers' - just as ill informed my good man ;)
Jod, going by your past fdrafting record int he last 6 years or so, I wouldnt be too confident that you will 100% sure get some good youngsters ;) That said, yes more than likeyl you will - but will they produce next year? or will they go the McDougall path? Youth in the national draft does not make an impact straight away - and if anyone knows that, it's a Freo supporter ;) I will say this though Jod, if you do win more than say 6 games, John Worsfold is officcially the messiah, can walk on water - and im off to get him to run my rainwater tank into a friggin vat of wine!
No denying he isnt bad per se, just wondering how long it takes to make the step up to 'superstar' that's all - I personally feel that while serviceable, he isnt ever going to take games apart and own them - as I said earlier this thread, how many games did he dominate lasst year? any? That isnt a sledge ieither, a genuine question on what maketh a ssuperstar, thats all.
I notice you mentioned our drafting but thats all behind us now. Recently we have done wuite well with Cox, Kerr, Haynes, Gaspar, Glass...all oozing potential and already one of them (Glass) is delivering on the field. Plus you mention wha tif they take McDougall's path...what if they take Kerr's path....it's all subjective.
How many games did Bell take apart or Cousins...you have to be in the game to be able to take it by the scruff of the neck...the Eagles werent in many games last year. Do you think Carey wins the game by himself...i think not. The ruckmen taps it down the midfielders kick it to him but when he takes a mark and kicks a goal ...he's the star?? He's taken the game by the scruff of the neck??? I dont believe in individual performances in football as footy is truly a team sport with 18 players on the field at one time. MJ can win games single handedly because there is only 4 other guys playing with him and he just demands the ball. Anyway thats a murky subject that i wont get into...
Oh and he did take one game by the scruff of the neck last year...you might remember it? He kicked 5 goals on a hapless bunch named Freo and delivered the win on a platter. :D
How many games did Justin Longmuir play in his first season? Before criticising McDougall maybe you should be aware of your own...
Originally posted by Visro
How many games did Justin Longmuir play in his first season? Before criticising McDougall maybe you should be aware of your own...
Whoa, whoa ... slow down cowboy.
Jod was saying the intoduction of youth will have immeduiate impact - my point, as I said quite clearly in my post, was that to expect that in the first year is unlikely, and cited as a reference Mcdougall. Yes, from memory J-lo played one or two games, which strengthens my point!
To expect a polak, who I would wager none of you have ever even sseen play the game, to be a saviour in his first year, is ridiculous - thank you for reinforcing my point, vis my man! ;)
daddy_4_eyes
7 Nov 2001, 11:10
How can any of you believe freo will beat the eagles? Because they have added 2-3 players to their playing list? So what?!? The eagles have basically added 7 players in Read, Banfield, Braun, Sierakowski, Milli, Morrison and Prior.
So if the eagles beat freo TWICE without those players and Judge as coach, why shouldn't we beat freo again in 2002 with those players playing and no Judge helping the dockers out??
You can all make your biased match-ups(both sides of the argument), they don't mean squat. The result will be determined not by which team's match ups pay off, but which team plays better as a unit.
End of the day we all know the truth, Eagles Rule
Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
How can any of you believe freo will beat the eagles? Because they have added 2-3 players to their playing list? So what?!? The eagles have basically added 7 players in Read, Banfield, Braun, Sierakowski, Milli, Morrison and Prior.
I do for sure. Freo player like utter ****e in the second derby last year, and were still only 10 points down in the last qtr, any decent side would have thumped us - but that wasnt the case!
You list those players like returning heroes D-4-E, read is serviceable at best - and was dropped regularily in 2000 as poor form hit, Braun has never been fully fit for a year in god knows how long, Banners is serviceable, one cagain no world beater, but a decent player a year older, Seira is a journey man who is averagre, Milli is old and has the turning circle of a machk truck, Morrison was also dropped last year - and you had him for the first part of the year anyway, and Prior is also solid, but average.
How are they goiong to propel you into the stratosphere?
Remeber 1999/2000 - when you had a substantially better side, and we worse, we split both games, if you are such a juggernaut, how the heck did you lose any?
So if the eagles beat freo TWICE without those players and Judge as coach, why shouldn't we beat freo again in 2002 with those players playing and no Judge helping the dockers out??
When the all conquering supercoach in Woosha (how is his coaching record anyway as a senior coach? unbeaten I guess ...) Can you exxplain to me how/where you are going to win - I botherred to do the macthups, tell me where I went wrong, be glad to hear it.
You can all make your biased match-ups(both sides of the argument), they don't mean squat. The result will be determined not by which team's match ups pay off, but which team plays better as a unit.
Sure, so show me where/why Freo wont play as one ... open both eyes for a sec d-4-e, you may get a balanced perspective.
End of the day we all know the truth, Eagles Rule
Um, rule what exactly? the bottom 4? Sigh, you guys never learn do you?
sabre_ac
7 Nov 2001, 12:15
Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
How can any of you believe freo will beat the eagles? Because they have added 2-3 players to their playing list? So what?!? The eagles have basically added 7 players in Read, Banfield, Braun, Sierakowski, Milli, Morrison and Prior.
So if the eagles beat freo TWICE without those players and Judge as coach, why shouldn't we beat freo again in 2002 with those players playing and no Judge helping the dockers out??
You can all make your biased match-ups(both sides of the argument), they don't mean squat. The result will be determined not by which team's match ups pay off, but which team plays better as a unit.
End of the day we all know the truth, Eagles Rule
The reason we will beat you is quite simple.
To win games you have to kick goals, somthing we found out with the downfall of our 2 top goal scores from season 2000.
You have NO forward line, simply no one that will kick goals.
Not to mention that along with your few midfield hacks to return, Fremantle also receive the services of there Ruckman and number one forward of the past 4 years.
You are simply going to be killed.
Lack of forward options and piss weak midfield results in eagle fans leaving at 3 quater time.
If only my applicable teacher could see me now
daddy_4_eyes
7 Nov 2001, 16:41
Originally posted by kuepper
I do for sure. Freo player like utter ****e in the second derby last year, and were still only 10 points down in the last qtr, any decent side would have thumped us - but that wasnt the case!
So what? So you were down by 10pts, woop dee doo daa. Lets all have a party, you stayed within 10 pts of the almighty eagles of 2001 :rolleyes:
You list those players like returning heroes D-4-E, read is serviceable at best - and was dropped regularily in 2000 as poor form hit, Braun has never been fully fit for a year in god knows how long, Banners is serviceable, one cagain no world beater, but a decent player a year older, Seira is a journey man who is averagre, Milli is old and has the turning circle of a machk truck, Morrison was also dropped last year - and you had him for the first part of the year anyway, and Prior is also solid, but average
They might not be star players, but they are better than some of the players who were in our 22 that played against your lot. And adding those players may not make us premiership material, but it will make us stronger than we were.
Remeber 1999/2000 - when you had a substantially better side, and we worse, we split both games, if you are such a juggernaut, how the heck did you lose any?
In 1999 you fluked that win. We finished the season with 1 win in our last 7 games(and still finished 5th). Your rabble barely scraped across the line against us, despite the eagles being in the worst form since 1989.
In 2000 you beat an injury depleted team, and yes, i am using injuries as an excuse again. Because injuries have a big influence on how a team performs.
So don't bask in the glory days of 1999/2000, because i could easily bring op 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 and 2001 where we beat you twice.
When the all conquering supercoach in Woosha (how is his coaching record anyway as a senior coach? unbeaten I guess ...) Can you exxplain to me how/where you are going to win - I botherred to do the macthups, tell me where I went wrong, be glad to hear it.
Hows Connolly's coaching record? Any better than woosha's? :p
I'll tell you where you went wrong with your match-ups. Every match up that an eagle player would have won, you chucked in a bodgy variable and called it a draw. You only analysed the positions considering freo players were on-the-ball (that is playing well) and the eagle player was having a *****ty day.
Um, rule what exactly? the bottom 4? Sigh, you guys never learn do you?
Chill out dude. Its not like I'm gonna say "go freo".:rolleyes:
daddy_4_eyes
7 Nov 2001, 16:44
Originally posted by sabre_ac
You are simply going to be killed.
Lack of forward options and piss weak midfield results in eagle fans leaving at 3 quater time.
If only my applicable teacher could see me now
Yeah Sabre, you keep crapping on like that and I'm sure you will win people's respect.
At this point, your opinion means about as much as carltonboy_95's.
freo_fan
7 Nov 2001, 17:20
Originally posted by jod23
Kuepper all of you Dockers fans think you will make the Finals next season...if im wrong then tell me that you wont make the Finals. And if you arent going to make the finals, how many games will you win and who against..
Look, you are wrong mate, very wrong, please show me the exact quote of mine that says that I think we will make the finals next season ya know, seeing how we ALL think that the dockers will make the finals next year!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: And, Im not going to deny or accept that I reckon we will, but so what if a majority of us do? Arent we supposed to think positive?No wonder your team has so many freaking bandwagon supporters, its because you dont have the faith in your team to succeed!!!
Also, why are you fellas always bickering about the same subject all the time, your like women!;) :D
FreoDocker
7 Nov 2001, 17:26
All I can say is that it's good that all you eagles fans seem like loyal supporters, because although you have drafted well in the past 2 years, those players will take a while to develop and get used to senior footy. But in 5 - 10 years time I can't wait to see an eagles dockers grandfinal :)
With freo next year, I've spent years saying this will be our year, I think for next year I'll just wait and see how it goes.
As for my tips for round 1:
....Me bolting down Rockeby Rd in my dockers jumper, trying to get away from an angry mob of eagles supporters after the dockers narrow win :D
sabre_ac
7 Nov 2001, 17:30
Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
Yeah Sabre, you keep crapping on like that and I'm sure you will win people's respect.
At this point, your opinion means about as much as carltonboy_95's.
Untill you can tell me why I am wrong posts like this keep your credibility very low.
Lack of forward option
Reliance on 2 few to carry the team.
Balls in your court
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Untill you can tell me why I am wrong posts like this keep your credibility very low.
Lack of forward option
Reliance on 2 few to carry the team.
Balls in your court
Sabre we may have NO forward line but you have NO midfield...and we all know a midfield is more important than a forward line. Our forwards are no Hird's and Lloyds but given the ludicrous amount of forward thrusts we will make as Cuz and co destroy your midfield im sure Willow, Fido, Embly, Williams, Haynes, Merenda and anyone else who is forward will kick goals.
We wont win by a lot but we'll win, you guys get scared when you play us..you always have and you always will.
Originally posted by jod23
Sabre we may have NO forward line but you have NO midfield...and we all know a midfield is more important than a forward line.
It's interesting you are so sure of the midfiled dominance, over at dockerland.com they are doing, by the posters, combined Freo/WC side, and even the most beloved eagles supporters such as 'therealbuzz' finds a place for 3 Freo midfielders - Bell, Hasleby and Cook. I think once again, you have to open both eyes Jod - and hope and prey that Benny Cousins can back uop again this year, he drops a notch or 2, whioch is possible after such a stella year ... or even worse gets injured, then its going to be a loooooong year.
wards are no Hird's and Lloyds but given the ludicrous amount of forward thrusts we will make as Cuz and co destroy your midfield im sure Willow, Fido, Embly, Williams, Haynes, Merenda and anyone else who is forward will kick goals.
Um yeah,. like last year in the worst game of footy I have experienced live in my life (and that includes a period of 5 or 6 years as a Sth Freo member, seeing some averagge skill leveal WAFL games) was the 2nd Derby, total skillesss muck, but you managed less than 10 goals, even though you 'thrashed' us ;) Man o man, you do get deluded at times.
win by a lot but we'll win, you guys get scared when you play us..you always have and you always will.
Um yes, fear the 14th side - hear it roar! Jod, grow up, any perceived fear or big borther syndrome comes entirely from arrogant wet toasters like yourself - other than beating you twice a year, I could care less about your side truth be told, the only reason there is any competition even is geographic similiarity, it's a national comp - remember? Fear the 14th side ... indeed.
With your "super" forward line, its going to take time to click you know. More than half the players you list down there have never played with each other, hardly going to turn it on in their first game.
Frankly, I can't see you winning so much in the middle. It all starts at the tap down:
Michaels/Longmuir/Eastaugh/Simmonds vs Gardiner/Cox
Well there are question marks over whether Michaels will even play and even if he does, he will be no where near his best and Gardy would thrash him. Longmuir is decent in the ruck but he is inexperience, plus he's your only forward who has played down there consistently for freo. Eastaugh, serviceable at the very best. Simmonds, dunno so much but I know he still aint that flash. Overall verdict, Gardiner would beat all of your ruckman easily. If we were using Cox, the ruck dual would be even.
Then its a matter of getting it up forward which is the job of your midfield.
Freo -
Bell
Haselby
Cook
Walker
Bootsma
Dodd
McManus
Norrish
Woods
WC -
Cousins
Banfield
Braun
Chambers
Fletcher
Humm
Jones
Kerr
Munro
Prior
Taylor
Williams
Wooden
I might have missed a few Freo boys there, but choose your best five starting midfielders and 1 or 2 for the bench. Then list an emergency in case one is injured.
WC's:
Cousins
Banfield
Braun
Jones
Williams
Kerr
Fletcher
Prior
Now lets see yours.
Originally posted by kuepper
It's interesting you are so sure of the midfiled dominance, over at dockerland.com they are doing, by the posters, combined Freo/WC side, and even the most beloved eagles supporters such as 'therealbuzz' finds a place for 3 Freo midfielders - Bell, Hasleby and Cook. I think once again, you have to open both eyes Jod - and hope and prey that Benny Cousins can back uop again this year, he drops a notch or 2, whioch is possible after such a stella year ... or even worse gets injured, then its going to be a loooooong year.
Um yeah,. like last year in the worst game of footy I have experienced live in my life (and that includes a period of 5 or 6 years as a Sth Freo member, seeing some averagge skill leveal WAFL games) was the 2nd Derby, total skillesss muck, but you managed less than 10 goals, even though you 'thrashed' us ;) Man o man, you do get deluded at times.
Um yes, fear the 14th side - hear it roar! Jod, grow up, any perceived fear or big borther syndrome comes entirely from arrogant wet toasters like yourself - other than beating you twice a year, I could care less about your side truth be told, the only reason there is any competition even is geographic similiarity, it's a national comp - remember? Fear the 14th side ... indeed.
Kuepper, why does Cuz have to drop off because he had a great year...Lloyd, Hird, Buckley etc etc do it year in year out. Cousins is now in that bracket. I could understand if he won the brownlow as there is a history of a come down year but Cuz didnt win...expect him to have another great year next year. And if i had to combine the West Coast and Freo players to make a midfield and everyone was healthy then only Bell would make my side. 3 in the centre line, 2 followers and 1 on the bench. Cousins, Braun, Morrison, Jones, Banfield, Bell. Haselby is kinda bad..he had a pretty average year and doesnt look like the revalation we all thought he would be, Cook is honest but not as good as what i have mentioned...the rest of you midfield is average.
Im not saying you fear the Eagles...you dont fear a combined Brisbane and Essendon side because you think you an beat anybody :rolleyes: Im saying the Dockers fear us. The big brother mentality is always there and the Freo players never play that well against us. Look at your records with other clubs....its something like 10 - 2 against us. Thats shocking, i doubt you have a worse record against any other team.
Firstly, I never said Benny will have to have a down after a huge year - do you ever read what I, or anyone posts, or do you skim and just make your own conclusions, once again for your sake Jod, I quote myself, try and follow alomng this time eh?
...and hope and prey that Benny Cousins can back up again this year, he drops a notch or 2, which is possible after such a stella year ... or even worse gets injured, then its going to be a loooooong year.
Now i didnt say he would, I just said it was possible - which it is.
Secondly, It says something about the quality of Hasleby, when as a second year player he averaged 18.5 touches a game, and thats seen as a disappointment - he got 385 touches for the year, and if he was an eagle, he would be second behind benny cousins.
Rohan Jones ahead of Haslkeby? AHAHAHAHAH he averaged 11 possessions a game, and is a crab - may be a good tagger, but ahead of hasleby? please.
Seriously Jod, I am now worrying about your ability to even see past the west coast at all, when you start making ridiculous calls liek that, ahve a talk to Vis, he at least has some persepctive and may be able to talk some sense into you.
Rohan Jones indeed. :D
William Munny
9 Nov 2001, 20:33
You people remind me of seagulls fighting over the scraps left by the main teams on the eastern seaboard.
Neither the Shockers or the Beagles are going to be any good next year, you are just making up the numbers, no-one cares who wins the games between the 2 of you, they are poor quality games
Originally posted by William Munny
You people remind me of seagulls fighting over the scraps left by the main teams on the eastern seaboard.
Neither the Shockers or the Beagles are going to be any good next year, you are just making up the numbers, no-one cares who wins the games between the 2 of you, they are poor quality games
Game enough to say who you support?
FreoDocker
9 Nov 2001, 23:05
Originally posted by William Munny
You people remind me of seagulls fighting over the scraps left by the main teams on the eastern seaboard.
Neither the Shockers or the Beagles are going to be any good next year, you are just making up the numbers, no-one cares who wins the games between the 2 of you, they are poor quality games
Unite against a common enemy :D
eagleskickass
9 Nov 2001, 23:17
DEFEND WA FOOTY!:D
Originally posted by kuepper
Firstly, I never said Benny will have to have a down after a huge year - do you ever read what I, or anyone posts, or do you skim and just make your own conclusions, once again for your sake Jod, I quote myself, try and follow alomng this time eh?
...and hope and prey that Benny Cousins can back up again this year, he drops a notch or 2, which is possible after such a stella year ... or even worse gets injured, then its going to be a loooooong year.
Now i didnt say he would, I just said it was possible - which it is.
Secondly, It says something about the quality of Hasleby, when as a second year player he averaged 18.5 touches a game, and thats seen as a disappointment - he got 385 touches for the year, and if he was an eagle, he would be second behind benny cousins.
Rohan Jones ahead of Haslkeby? AHAHAHAHAH he averaged 11 possessions a game, and is a crab - may be a good tagger, but ahead of hasleby? please.
Seriously Jod, I am now worrying about your ability to even see past the west coast at all, when you start making ridiculous calls liek that, ahve a talk to Vis, he at least has some persepctive and may be able to talk some sense into you.
Rohan Jones indeed. :D
Gutless....you try and make me look bad by saying you didnt say Cuz would have a down year....bull****, you certainly implied it. You say its possible that he could have a bad year...what a broad spectrum you have..its possible that Pavlich will break his leg in the first game, Longmuir will be dropped after playing terribly all year and Haselby does his knee in round 4.....its POSSIBLE...
Anything is possible...hell you might even beat us in round 1 :D
RoWan Jones actually averaged 13.7 possesions per game last year so before you blow your trumpet get it right. Jones is a much better midfielder than Haselby, Jones can kick goals and get possesions himself while shutting down the top midfielder in the opposition side. Ask any Eagle supporter if they would trade Haselby for Jones and you would get a big fat NO.
Originally posted by Visro
With your "super" forward line, its going to take time to click you know. More than half the players you list down there have never played with each other, hardly going to turn it on in their first game.
Frankly, I can't see you winning so much in the middle. It all starts at the tap down:
Michaels/Longmuir/Eastaugh/Simmonds vs Gardiner/Cox
Well there are question marks over whether Michaels will even play and even if he does, he will be no where near his best and Gardy would thrash him. Longmuir is decent in the ruck but he is inexperience, plus he's your only forward who has played down there consistently for freo. Eastaugh, serviceable at the very best. Simmonds, dunno so much but I know he still aint that flash. Overall verdict, Gardiner would beat all of your ruckman easily. If we were using Cox, the ruck dual would be even.
Then its a matter of getting it up forward which is the job of your midfield.
Freo -
Bell
Haselby
Cook
Walker
Bootsma
Dodd
McManus
Norrish
Woods
WC -
Cousins
Banfield
Braun
Chambers
Fletcher
Humm
Jones
Kerr
Munro
Prior
Taylor
Williams
Wooden
I might have missed a few Freo boys there, but choose your best five starting midfielders and 1 or 2 for the bench. Then list an emergency in case one is injured.
WC's:
Cousins
Banfield
Braun
Jones
Williams
Kerr
Fletcher
Prior
Now lets see yours.
So who's midfield will win then kuep?
kuepper
10 Nov 2001, 09:02
Originally posted by jod23
Gutless....you try and make me look bad by saying you didnt say Cuz would have a down year....bull****, you certainly implied it.
Jod, seriously I do expect better from you - attack the man because YOU have literacy problems - I quoited EXACTLY what I wrote, dont blame me if you cant read and follow context properly, and sure as hell dont start calling me gutless sunshine :)
Now, no midfielder in the last 10 years has been able to (perhaps with the exception of one N Buckley) been able to keep a conisitantly high rate of production for a period of say 3-5 years, each and every time, they go up for a year, then struggle to hold it, thats a fact Jod - whether you wish to believe it or not, well that's upto you, but dont imply Im gutless, because i express my opinions, gutless is hiding behind one's keyboard, calling people things like 'gutless' in fact ;)
You say its possible that he could have a bad year...what a broad spectrum you have..its possible that Pavlich will break his leg in the first game, Longmuir will be dropped after playing terribly all year and Haselby does his knee in round 4.....its POSSIBLE...
So we agree, it is possible, great - shame about the need for sarcasm along the way, but we got there Jod, we agree - nice one.
RoWan Jones actually averaged 13.7 possesions per game last year so before you blow your trumpet get it right. Jones is a much better midfielder than Haselby, Jones can kick goals and get possesions himself while shutting down the top midfielder in the opposition side. Ask any Eagle supporter if they would trade Haselby for Jones and you would get a big fat NO.
Ahh I see, because Eagles supporters are blinded by their yellow and blue eyes, then my arguement, even though backed up factually becomes null and void, I see. Honestly, if you can't admit that Paul Hasleby is twice the platyer now that Rowan Jones will ever be, it is that kind of blinkered arrogance that gives your supporters a bad name, I am personally happy to admit those players in your squad (both of them! j/k :D) who I'd rate above people in Freo's squad, but you lack the ability for impartial arguement Jod, which is a shame ... but I should be used to it now eh? ;)
God Kuepper, i actually feel sorry for you. Jones is easily better than second year disappointment Haselby and you immense skill to avoid Vis' posts because you know if you list your midfield you will be laughed at...
You have NO midfield, to call me blinkered when you dont realise you have no midfield is just plain wrong. At least i admit we dont have much of a forward line.
Stop replying to me and answer Vis or dont you have the answers as we all know your midfield is one of the worst in the AFL and certainly worse than ours..
Freo could become a good team in the next 10 years. They are snaring some class players (Croad) so they could maybe make a move on the ladder. Freo just needs a quality forward, and a few good backmen. Trent Croad is the Forward that they need. Need some luck in the draft for the backmen;)
sabre_ac
11 Nov 2001, 13:49
Originally posted by jod23
God Kuepper, i actually feel sorry for you. Jones is easily better than second year disappointment Haselby and you immense skill to avoid Vis' posts because you know if you list your midfield you will be laughed at...
You have NO midfield, to call me blinkered when you dont realise you have no midfield is just plain wrong. At least i admit we dont have much of a forward line.
Stop replying to me and answer Vis or dont you have the answers as we all know your midfield is one of the worst in the AFL and certainly worse than ours..
Your suggesting that Jones is a better player than Haselby??
You have got to be joking, that is like me suggesting that kickett is as good as wirrunpa.
Sure kickett puts in a solid effort and is a good contributer but he is hardly of the same class as Wirrpunda.
The same goes with Jones and Haselby, Haselby is a far better player than jones.
Bell is as good a player than Cousins.
Haselby is better than your next best midfielder.
Cook is better than your next best midfielder.
Our in and under players would make your team look second rate like they are.
We have no midfield???
Bwahahahahaahh
Your kidding.
You have NO FORWARDS AND NO MIDFIELD.
The only resepectable part to your team is your backling, but that is getting old fast.
Not to mention the fact that Farmer will probally play the majority fo the year in the midfield.And suddenly Fremantle come out on top.
Gardiner will be forced to play up forward due to your servre lack of options.Leaving cox to be cleaned up by micheal all over the ground.
Your team will recieve a lesson come round 1 and it will be the begining of the end for the eagles.
eagleskickass
11 Nov 2001, 14:07
Read Glass Wirrapunda
Collica Gaspar Prior
Um, that aint that old actually
Freo are also worried Michael may not be fit for round 1, leaving Simmonds to be slaughtered by Gardiner. Cous and Bell are both very good consistent players. Kerr is as good if not better than haselby, yes, i believe that. He is SERIOUSLY underated. Ok, i agree haselby is better than jones, sorry jod, but I also believe you DON"T have a tagger ANYWHERE near as good as Jones. Cook is pretty good, but so can Braun be IF he has a good pre-season.
Thats my 2 cents worth for now!
In reply to sabres post, the most irrational and disillusional freo supporter there is.
You've got Bell who is nearly as good as Cousins was this year, wasn't as consistent though. Bell is a lot slower as well.
Haselby is a very good young talent, great skills but he aint particularly fast.
Cook, better than any of our other midfielders, don't make me laugh. The guy can't kick for sh*t and his skills are shocking. He can only be used as a running player to carry the ball and bomb it long.
Where the rest of your midfielders sabre?
Farmer playing in the midfield. From all reports I can't see that happening with him being overweight. Plus, all we've been hearing about is how he will be a brilliant forward pocket for you. His first game in the midfield is hardly going to be anything inspiring, he won't match it fitness wise.
Michael won't play. His knee is permanently screwed and he isn't going to be an inspiration after coming back to footy after being away for so long. Cox could match him easily cause he would beat him in height. Michael aint particularly tall for a ruckman.
A midfield of Cousins, Banfield (towelled you up first derby of 2001), Braun, Williams and Jones will kill your midfield. You've only listed 3 proper midfielders for christ sake, who else is going to do the work.
Vis
PS Its backline, not backling. You're typing too fast, obviously having orgasmic feelings towards Freo.
PPS Ever heard of paragraphs? :p
sabre_ac
11 Nov 2001, 16:20
Micheal is a far better ruckman than Cox will ever be.The fact that you belive the oposite is ridiculous.
Time to wake up Visro and its nice to see you have conceeded on the Haselby vs Jones issue.
Our midfield is as strong as yours and our rucking department is far stronger.
Speed isnt the be all and end all especially with hands like haselby.One of the best in and under players going around with a strong over had mark to boot.
P.S Orgasmic??? Ahahah levers hasnt started yet visro I think your getting ahead of your self big fella.
P.P.S Looks likes someone does english lit and wants to tell the word :p
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Micheal is a far better ruckman than Cox will ever be.The fact that you belive the oposite is ridiculous.
Time to wake up Visro and its nice to see you have conceeded on the Haselby vs Jones issue.
Our midfield is as strong as yours and our rucking department is far stronger.
Speed isnt the be all and end all especially with hands like haselby.One of the best in and under players going around with a strong over had mark to boot.
You haven't proved jack sabre. I still don't see who will carry your midfield. Bell, Haselby, Cook and ummmm........hmmm.....let me see. Bell and Haselby are slow as well, you will get caught out for pace.
Time to face the facts on Michaels sabre. He has been out of football for more than a year with a serious knee injury. Even now he is still limping and not training properly. He is a good ruckman when in form but after being out of footy for such a long time, he won't be able to get back into it right away. If you do play him, he will be out of form, down in match fitness and low in confidence. The fact that Cox is 10 cm taller than Michaels will also help Cox if he does ruck against Michaels. If Michaels doesn't play, you will lose the ruck battle unless J Longmuir goes there. Gardy will easily be able to beat Eastaugh and Simmonds. Gardy easily beat White and Simmonds is crapper than white. Eastaugh, well, the least said the better.
You will struggle in the ruck and the midfield just like we struggle in our forward line. I'd rather struggle in the forward line however than in the midfield. The midfield is where it all starts, lose there and you're on your way to getting beaten.
Vis
eagleskickass
11 Nov 2001, 18:48
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Micheal is a far better ruckman than Cox will ever be.
our rucking department is far stronger.
Sure Michael WAS better, but there is NO WAY IN HELL he will be that good first game back. It will take him a while to get to be any good again. You also Underestimate Cox. Bigmen take longer to develop, and believe me Cox will develop into a good player. I also HAD to laugh at "our rucking department is FAR stronger"
Gardiner will beat Michael and Cox would beat Fewster and probably Simmonds. Simmonds MAY be good, in the future, as may McDougal(if he pulls his finger out) Far stronger, I think not
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Your suggesting that Jones is a better player than Haselby??
You have got to be joking, that is like me suggesting that kickett is as good as wirrunpa.
Sure kickett puts in a solid effort and is a good contributer but he is hardly of the same class as Wirrpunda.
The same goes with Jones and Haselby, Haselby is a far better player than jones.
Bell is as good a player than Cousins.
Haselby is better than your next best midfielder.
Cook is better than your next best midfielder.
Our in and under players would make your team look second rate like they are.
We have no midfield???
Bwahahahahaahh
Your kidding.
You have NO FORWARDS AND NO MIDFIELD.
The only resepectable part to your team is your backling, but that is getting old fast.
Not to mention the fact that Farmer will probally play the majority fo the year in the midfield.And suddenly Fremantle come out on top.
Gardiner will be forced to play up forward due to your servre lack of options.Leaving cox to be cleaned up by micheal all over the ground.
Your team will recieve a lesson come round 1 and it will be the begining of the end for the eagles.
Haselby is slow, a little overweight and has no real class. I see him as a real workhorse, a good contributor but nothing more. Jones is versatile, can kick goals off half forward, one of the best taggers going around and in the last two years has developed into a damaging midfielder in his own right. Jones for me.
Bell is a level lower than Cuz, Bell is all class dont get me wrong but isnt as good as Cousins. Ask all the Docker supporters if they would trade Bell for Cuz straight up...you would get a big fat YES. Haselby better than any of our other midfielders??? Thats a joke right, Braun, Morrison, Banfield, Kerr....Sabre your midfield sucks, the quicker you realise it the better.
Farmer wont play in the middle as the reason you got him was to kick goals and shark off Longmuir and Pavlich. And to suggest that Micheal would towel up Cox after not playing for a year is a joke....take the blinkers off sabre..Anyways, Micheal wont play in round 1.
dockerbabe
12 Nov 2001, 13:09
Originally posted by Visro
You haven't proved jack sabre. I still don't see who will carry your midfield. Bell, Haselby, Cook and ummmm........hmmm.....let me see. Bell and Haselby are slow as well, you will get caught out for pace.
Time to face the facts on Michaels sabre. He has been out of football for more than a year with a serious knee injury. Even now he is still limping and not training properly. He is a good ruckman when in form but after being out of footy for such a long time, he won't be able to get back into it right away. If you do play him, he will be out of form, down in match fitness and low in confidence. The fact that Cox is 10 cm taller than Michaels will also help Cox if he does ruck against Michaels. If Michaels doesn't play, you will lose the ruck battle unless J Longmuir goes there. Gardy will easily be able to beat Eastaugh and Simmonds. Gardy easily beat White and Simmonds is crapper than white. Eastaugh, well, the least said the better.
You will struggle in the ruck and the midfield just like we struggle in our forward line. I'd rather struggle in the forward line however than in the midfield. The midfield is where it all starts, lose there and you're on your way to getting beaten.
Vis
i was trying to keep out of this post cause i have a feeling yous are babbling on about the same things over and over again and it is probly the same 3 or 4 people writing the replies
sabre why don't you just delete this post it is a waste
although i did decide to have a look at the last page and stumbled on this reply
the name is michael not michaels and i seen him training near the end of the season and he wasnt limping he looked alright maybe not to play then but i would say that if he gets in the preseason games he should be set to start in the first game
and it is good that freo picked up simonds because with eastaugh and j.longmuir aswell all the rucking wont be left up to him he will have back up or he will be back up for a while until he gets back into it but i'd say by maybe round 15 he will be back into it and playing nearly at his full strength cause like they say recovering from injuries takes time and all you can do is wait
and i aint even going to make any comments on gardiner because i hate him
Cox had better have been on Jako's special juice over the preseason if he has any hope of living up to the outlandish claims being made about him. He is so skinny I keep expecting to see his arms get ripped off his body - and if he ever took a decent overhead mark they may keep flying. He looked very tired and weak at the end of this season and his shoulders looked very dodgy.
I don't think he is rubbish, he is just a stripling that anyone with a bit of weight/grunt (or, indeed, a black belt in karate) should roll quite easily.
Incidentally, Visro, you undisputed master of the language - what the blinkin' poohole does "disillusional" mean? You use it a lot when I think you intend to mean "delusional".
kuepper
12 Nov 2001, 15:00
Originally posted by jod23
God Kuepper, i actually feel sorry for you.
Pity from you? Um, I think I shall pass thanks, but cheers for atttacking me personally when the arguement doesn't go your way ;)
Jones is easily better than second year disappointment Haselby and you immense skill to avoid Vis' posts because you know if you list your midfield you will be laughed at...
Firstly, dont you have any iddea? They give the norwich rising star award to chumps these days do they - they guy nudged 19 posessions a game, in his second year, and you think thats a disappointment? Please, dont offend me - as staed, if Hasleby was in your side last year, he would have been the second highest posession winner - so if Hasleby is such a crabb, what are the rest of your midefield, to get ALOT less of the footy than him?
You have NO midfield, to call me blinkered when you dont realise you have no midfield is just plain wrong. At least i admit we dont have much of a forward line.
Please either (a) retract that total cod$h!t or (b) go and find a quote where I said we had a great midfield, in fact show me where I even commented on your mideifled. What i did say, is that 3 of our midfield players, Bell, Cook and Haslebby would all get a start in a combined Freo/WC side, and I stand by that - so please Jod dont go putting words in my mouth - you are on of the first to chew out sabre for this sort of thing, but IMHO you are the west coast sabre equivilient, blinkered and don't let the facts get in the way of your biased opinions ...
Haselby is slow, a little overweight and has no real class.
You do know who he is right? #4, the Norwich rising star winner from last year - the man with quality disposals each and every time?
I see him as a real workhorse, a good contributor but nothing more.
Clean your yellow and blue glasses Jod, I dont think you can see through them clearly at all, to be honest.
Jones is versatile, can kick goals off half forward, one of the best taggers going around and in the last two years has developed into a damaging midfielder in his own right. Jones for me.
Yes, Jones is a tagger - how does that make him versatile exactly - he tagged players the whole year, not alot of versatility there, if you don't mind me saying. You may also be interested to know that Hasleby kicked 25% more goals, whilst being basically a devoted centreman/follower the entire year - so I think that also negates Jones' goalkicking ability, but sorry, im letting facts get in the way of a good story again ... my bad. ;)
Stop replying to me and answer Vis or dont you have the answers as we all know your midfield is one of the worst in the AFL and certainly worse than ours..
Jod, I reply to you becuase you are provocative angry young man - who clearly needs to be educated on football matters ... the fact that you think Hasleby is skilless (after, might I add probably havingt he best disposal of ANY player currently playing in this state) is laughable. That said, I shall reply to Vis, as is my choice - I sure don't need you playing Internet Sherriff telling mne who I can and can't reply to ;)
kuepper
12 Nov 2001, 15:08
Originally posted by Visro
Then its a matter of getting it up forward which is the job of your midfield.
Freo -
Bell
Haselby
Cook
Walker
Bootsma
Dodd
McManus
Norrish
Woods
Ok, 3 are walk up startes of course, Bell, Cook and Hasleby. From there, and as stated in the paper this weekend in the interview with Connolley, there is going to be a lot larger rotation through the midfield, with plaayers running in burtsts. That said, I see persoanlly players such as Woods, McManus, Farmer,Walker all playing a part in the midfield. One player you did leave out was Cunningham, an All Australian at u18 national comp 3 years ago, and looks the goods for mine, carved at WAFL level and when finally given a chance when injury free kicked 3 goals before 1/2 time against Adelaide, and racked up the touches through out the game- he will be an important part of the midfield rotation I think.
WC's:
Cousins
Banfield
Braun
Jones
Williams
Kerr
Fletcher
Prior
Now lets see yours.
OK, the 5 + 2 as asked for are:
Bell
Cook
Hasleby
Cunningham
Walker
Woods
McManus
btw - Prior is never going to run around in the mdifield even bfore his knee recon - after? I dont think so ;)
Originally posted by kuepper
Pity from you? Um, I think I shall pass thanks, but cheers for atttacking me personally when the arguement doesn't go your way ;)
Firstly, dont you have any iddea? They give the norwich rising star award to chumps these days do they - they guy nudged 19 posessions a game, in his second year, and you think thats a disappointment? Please, dont offend me - as staed, if Hasleby was in your side last year, he would have been the second highest posession winner - so if Hasleby is such a crabb, what are the rest of your midefield, to get ALOT less of the footy than him?
Please either (a) retract that total cod$h!t or (b) go and find a quote where I said we had a great midfield, in fact show me where I even commented on your mideifled. What i did say, is that 3 of our midfield players, Bell, Cook and Haslebby would all get a start in a combined Freo/WC side, and I stand by that - so please Jod dont go putting words in my mouth - you are on of the first to chew out sabre for this sort of thing, but IMHO you are the west coast sabre equivilient, blinkered and don't let the facts get in the way of your biased opinions ...
You do know who he is right? #4, the Norwich rising star winner from last year - the man with quality disposals each and every time?
Clean your yellow and blue glasses Jod, I dont think you can see through them clearly at all, to be honest.
Yes, Jones is a tagger - how does that make him versatile exactly - he tagged players the whole year, not alot of versatility there, if you don't mind me saying. You may also be interested to know that Hasleby kicked 25% more goals, whilst being basically a devoted centreman/follower the entire year - so I think that also negates Jones' goalkicking ability, but sorry, im letting facts get in the way of a good story again ... my bad. ;)
Jod, I reply to you becuase you are provocative angry young man - who clearly needs to be educated on football matters ... the fact that you think Hasleby is skilless (after, might I add probably havingt he best disposal of ANY player currently playing in this state) is laughable. That said, I shall reply to Vis, as is my choice - I sure don't need you playing Internet Sherriff telling mne who I can and can't reply to ;)
I wish i knew how to disect quotes like you so i can reply, i tried it once but everything ended up everywhere so you'll just have to bare with me :D
Now it is you who is putting words in my mouth...i never once said Haselby is a crab. I think he is a useful, hardworking midfielder with good disposal but i also think and i stated it before, slow, a little overweight and has no real class. Class is something given to someone once they have proven there skills over a period of time. Haselby is too young.
Now onto Jones, Jones is versatile because he can play in different postitions, you know what versatile means right Kuep... Jones was more a half forward before his surprise development into a great tagger...last season on more than a few occasions he shut down the opposing teams best midfielder while racking 20+ possies himself, he also kicked i think 13 goals last season. Thats not bad for a primary tagger whos job is to watch someone else...
Its surprising to me that you think im blinkered when you believe that Cook, Haselby and Bell will be able to carry your midfield..you have problems in that area and you still havent admitted it yet. That all i want, for you to admit that your midfield is a) not as good as ours and b) will struggle somewhat all year.
Originally posted by kuepper
Ok, 3 are walk up startes of course, Bell, Cook and Hasleby. From there, and as stated in the paper this weekend in the interview with Connolley, there is going to be a lot larger rotation through the midfield, with plaayers running in burtsts. That said, I see persoanlly players such as Woods, McManus, Farmer,Walker all playing a part in the midfield. One player you did leave out was Cunningham, an All Australian at u18 national comp 3 years ago, and looks the goods for mine, carved at WAFL level and when finally given a chance when injury free kicked 3 goals before 1/2 time against Adelaide, and racked up the touches through out the game- he will be an important part of the midfield rotation I think.
OK, the 5 + 2 as asked for are:
Bell
Cook
Hasleby
Cunningham
Walker
Woods
McManus
btw - Prior is never going to run around in the mdifield even bfore his knee recon - after? I dont think so ;)
Oh man that isnt going to win many centre breaks is it....come round 1 i think the key to the midfield battle will be Jones. He will tag Bell and considering Jones is a rather good tagger he should negate Bell somewhat. Thats also a problem with your midfield, you have no real tagger, thats a big problem considering we have Cousins....
Im really looking forward to Round 1 and whoever wins (lets be honest it will be WC) im sure this thread will come back up :D
Originally posted by Bigger
Cox had better have been on Jako's special juice over the preseason if he has any hope of living up to the outlandish claims being made about him. He is so skinny I keep expecting to see his arms get ripped off his body - and if he ever took a decent overhead mark they may keep flying. He looked very tired and weak at the end of this season and his shoulders looked very dodgy.
I don't think he is rubbish, he is just a stripling that anyone with a bit of weight/grunt (or, indeed, a black belt in karate) should roll quite easily.
Incidentally, Visro, you undisputed master of the language - what the blinkin' poohole does "disillusional" mean? You use it a lot when I think you intend to mean "delusional".
Fine then,
disillusioned - what I should be saying
Bloody English language is too fricking complicated.
sabre_ac
13 Nov 2001, 11:12
Originally posted by jod23
Oh man that isnt going to win many centre breaks is it....come round 1 i think the key to the midfield battle will be Jones. He will tag Bell and considering Jones is a rather good tagger he should negate Bell somewhat. Thats also a problem with your midfield, you have no real tagger, thats a big problem considering we have Cousins....
Im really looking forward to Round 1 and whoever wins (lets be honest it will be WC) im sure this thread will come back up :D
Hardly Carr and Parker are 2 of the most capable taggers going around.
Considering your lack of forward danger, we could probally be able to put Parker on cousins.
Parker has the pace and endurance to keep up with Cousin and should almost shut him down.
Not to mention the option of carr who mind you shut down Buckly last time we played the pies and countless other star midfielders.
Dont worry about our tagging brigade Jod,If I was you I would woner how your going to get it out of the center and then who to kick it to.
Because without a doubt we have the stronger in and under brigade.
Just for dockerbabe who is going off at me for spelling Michaels wrong! :rolleyes:
Posts by sabre:
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R:Micheal Haslby Cook
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Simmonds the number one ruckman over Micheal???
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Hey but look, I even found one of kueps:
The guy (michael) has been out of fotty for over a year Sabre, whats he going to do walk on in like nothing's happened? for a Rd 1 side, I think thats on the money.
and another by sabre:
Micheal is a far better ruckman than Cox will ever be
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...................................:p
kuepper
13 Nov 2001, 16:06
Originally posted by dockerbabe
the name is michael not michaels...
Right, so no 's' she clearly states ...
Just for dockerbabe who is going off at me for spelling Michaels wrong!
So you still spell it wrong, then proceed to show us, who spell it correctly, up for what exactly?
tsk tsk tsk, if you are going to snipe about spelling, vis old chap, at least get it right ;)
Doh, thought she was going off at me for spelling it michael! Oh bugger, sorry dockerfan.
Hmm, find the first post and see what I spelt it, Michaels. So I was wrong. Sorry all, cramming for TEE exams takes up my entire brain capacity! ;) :p
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Hardly Carr and Parker are 2 of the most capable taggers going around.
Considering your lack of forward danger, we could probally be able to put Parker on cousins.
Parker has the pace and endurance to keep up with Cousin and should almost shut him down.
Not to mention the option of carr who mind you shut down Buckly last time we played the pies and countless other star midfielders.
Dont worry about our tagging brigade Jod,If I was you I would woner how your going to get it out of the center and then who to kick it to.
Because without a doubt we have the stronger in and under brigade.
Parker shutting down Cousins......LMFAO!!!!! hhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahah........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhaha hahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
Kerr and Banners arent bad in and under players, we'll be alright.
kuepper
14 Nov 2001, 07:00
Originally posted by jod23
Parker shutting down Cousins......LMFAO!!!!! hhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahah........aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhaha hahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
Some more intelligent and factual based rebuttal, quite the debator are you not? ;)
Kerr and Banners arent bad in and under players, we'll be alright.
Banners? In and Under? the only time he bends over is to pick the soap up in the shower - Kerr yes ... banners? I dont think so.
Although this is rather childish, you did ask, so...
Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
Hows Connolly's coaching record? Any better than woosha's? :p
Umm, yes, he coached the Hawks to a 1 point win over Carlton this year. So, that's Connolly 1-0, Woosha 0-0.
Sorry, couldn't pass it up...
daddy_4_eyes
14 Nov 2001, 10:27
Originally posted by Scal
Although this is rather childish, you did ask, so...
Umm, yes, he coached the Hawks to a 1 point win over Carlton this year. So, that's Connolly 1-0, Woosha 0-0.
Sorry, couldn't pass it up...
I stand corrected ;)
Originally posted by kuepper
Some more intelligent and factual based rebuttal, quite the debator are you not? ;)
Banners? In and Under? the only time he bends over is to pick the soap up in the shower - Kerr yes ... banners? I dont think so.
Cmon that was factual and intelligent....you cant seriously sit there and say to me with a straight face that Parker could shut Cousins out ofthe round 1 clash...it was laughable so i laughed..
TheRealBuzz
16 Nov 2001, 00:45
Since Kuepper has such respect for my opinion ;) I thought I'd add my two cents.
1) I have allot of respect for Rowan Jones. He's a great tagger, and that's very handy to have in your side.
But give me the choice between him and Haselby, and I'd take Haselby in a heartbeat.
Haselby did suffer second year blues to a certain extent, but that was mainly due to a bad back.
2) Potentially Fremantle do have a better forward line than us.
But *potentially* is the key word.
Realistically Longmuir only played a couple of good games at FF at the end of the season, and still has allot of improving to do.
Pavlich was very spasmodic, and isn't a consistent AFL performer yet.
Croad is an overrated pretty boy, I wouldn't expect too much from him.
Farmer is an excellent pickup, he'll kick 50+ next year. But any talk of him playing midfield is stupid, he simply doesn't have the fitness.
3) The Eagles midfield creamed yours twice last year. If Banners, Braun and Wirra can get over injury problems, then it'll be even worse next year.
Freo's midfielders are slow, lack skill and not accountable.
You have no one to tag Cuzz either. Parker and Carr aren't even options. Troy Longmuir would be your best bet.
Wirrapunda is the wildcard for the Eagles next year. If he gets over his foot injuries, and plays midfield all year, then he could win a Brownlow next year. But that’s a big IF.
4) Your defence is very weak. Leigh Brown is a very average player, I think Glass, Gaspar or even Carroll are better young backman than Big Boy Browny.
Parker, Haddrill, Jones and Carr aren't big enough to take on the big forwards, yet are to tall to play on the smaller forwards. I thought you would have traded one of them.
Combine the talented young guys like Glass, Gaspar and Read, with the experience of Milli, Jako and Matera, and I think our defence is much more sturdy.
5) Ruck division.
Freo could offer J'Lo, Simmonds, Michael and Eastaugh in exchange for Gardiner, and I still wouldn't take it.
Gardiner is 22, has 70 games under his belt and is already in the top three best ruckman in the AFL. Over the next ten years, he'll be the dominant ruckman in the AFL.
Cox is a real talent, but needs time to develop physically.
That's my honest opinion.
I'm not going to get into a slinging match or anything.
3)
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
I think Glass, Gaspar or even Carroll are better young backman than Big Boy Browny.
Next time, tell me you're going to say something like this. Nearly made me choke to death on my breakfast! :eek: Carroll better than Brown! Give me Brown any day. Prefer Glass and Gaspar to him though. My thoughts on the four players:
Brown - good skills but lacks a bit of pace. Smart thinker.
Carroll - handy at best. Bit of a doofus and lacks skills.
Glass - very atheletic and wears opposition like a glove. Skills aren't so flash.
Gaspar - All you could want from a footballer. Skills, pace, brains and height. Now just needs to get rids of his injuries.
Anyone here seen Aidan Parker play? Would he be worth the risk to draft at #38? He wasn't drafted last year and hasn't been talked about much this year. Seems he is atheletic but either, lacks skills or isn't too smart?
TheRealBuzz
16 Nov 2001, 12:04
:D Sorry about that.
Trent is a average player, but then so is Brown.
Brown's very slow, unfit and I can't agree with you about him being smart either (looks as thick as bricks if you ask me). Lacks respect when he mouths off to older players as well.
kuepper
16 Nov 2001, 15:04
Originally posted by Visro
Next time, tell me you're going to say something like this. Nearly made me choke to death on my breakfast! :eek: Carroll better than Brown! Give me Brown any day.
Vis, this is why I respect your opinion so much - you aren't one eyed and dont make rash nor outlandsish statements about the quality (or lack there of) of our respective squads.
Seriously, Carrol is a hack - I said that when he played @ Freo, and I say it now.
Good to see someone has some perspecitive on him, that looks through yellow and blue glasses! ;)
kuepper
16 Nov 2001, 15:09
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
Trent is a average player, but then so is Brown.
Well you are 1/2 right there buzz, thats an improvement on your usual form ;)
Brown's very slow, unfit and I can't agree with you about him being smart either (looks as thick as bricks if you ask me).
Unfit? damn you just make things up - becuase Robert Walls passes comment on talking footy, good old buxzz reusses his material and thimnks it makes it right? Please, come on - the guy is not unfitm, maybe on the slow-ish side, but I dont even think he is _that_ slow to be honest. When you get down to intelligence, don't tell me that players such as serial drunk driver(s) Mainwaring and Jakovich, and that football philospher McIntosh has a clue between them - what does smarts have to do with it anyway, prey tell?
Lacks respect when he mouths off to older players as well.
It's called being competitive Buzz - and while we are at it, he lacks respect by saying it to their face, whiklst you snipe on the Internet - what does that make you (and I for that matter before you ask) then? ;)
Not everyone wants to spend their lives grovelling around the place like a lovemad puppydog, p*ssing themselves with joy because the great Jakovich is breathing the same air as them.
(Or Laughingboy Cummings or whoever else you currently worship, The Real Buzz, you freakyassed lickspittle).
Leigh Brown is the opponent of these "senior players" - what is he supposed to do, get their autograph?
There isn't a word for how cudchewingly stupid you seem some times. You mouthbreather.
TheRealBuzz
16 Nov 2001, 16:04
:D :D :D
Thanks for that 'Bigger'.
Nothing pleases me more when a little Fremantle fishy takes a bite of the bait I throw in the water.
Kuepper only nibbles, and never loses his cool, so he no fun.
Oh and Kuepper, perhaps you should go through some of the older pages at the official WC forum. I was commenting on the body shape of Big Browny well before Walls opened his mouth.
P.S - Perhaps if Leigh Brown actually stopped trying to be the tough guy on the field, andshut his mouth, he wouldn't constantly be gasping for air. Or is that just because he so unfit.
Then it seems, The Real Buzz, you are sad as well as stupid. Why don't you tell us a little bit more about your hobbies so we can see if you get the trifecta: sad, stupid and sick.
Stop hanging around Kitchener Park, perving on all the big Eagley Weagles, your drool will scare the children.
kuepper
16 Nov 2001, 16:25
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
Kuepper only nibbles, and never loses his cool, so he no fun.
Sorry to spoil your debate with reasoned, factual based arguement Buzz - you reallty are a red-headed stepchild arent you?
Oh and Kuepper, perhaps you should go through some of the older pages at the official WC forum. I was commenting on the body shape of Big Browny well before Walls opened his mouth.
Ok, for one - I would prefer to stick bamboo shoots under my fingernails, whislt eating broken glass before wading therough the puerile dribble that would exist in the Wet toast forums *shudder* and for two - ok, then you are both ignorant f%4ks then - as bad as each other ;)
P.S - Perhaps if Leigh Brown actually stopped trying to be the tough guy on the field, andshut his mouth, he wouldn't constantly be gasping for air. Or is that just because he so unfit. Is it just me, or do you have some precoccupation with the male shape buzz - it's always 'he's fat' or 'he's bulked up' or 'he has a nice ass' or 'damn id like some manlove from him' - dont get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with that - but surely there are more appropriate forums than this for your homo-erotic fantasies? ;)
TheRealBuzz
16 Nov 2001, 17:13
Originally posted by kuepper Is it just me, or do you have some precoccupation with the male shape buzz - it's always 'he's fat' or 'he's bulked up' or 'he has a nice ass' or 'damn id like some manlove from him' - dont get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with that - but surely there are more appropriate forums than this for your homo-erotic fantasies? ;)
:D :D :D
Are you trying to suggest that I have secret gay tendecies, and that I'm secretly in love with guys like Jako, Gardy, Cuzz and Cummo.
Why that's just ludicrous.
Although now that you mention it, that Gardiner does have himself a nice arse.
Whooo I'm starting to sweat. ;)
This conversation is getting too freaky, i think ill stop talking in this thread now...
West Coast are better than Freo though :D
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
Although now that you mention it, that Gardiner does have himself a nice arse.
Whooo I'm starting to sweat. ;)
Umm... i dont think we should go there :D :D
eagleskickass
17 Nov 2001, 17:28
how has this thread gone from Seeya's in Rd1 to Michael Gardiner has a nice arse, i have no idea.
Maybe its the freo influence:D
Originally posted by eagleskickass
how has this thread gone from Seeya's in Rd1 to Michael Gardiner has a nice arse, i have no idea.
Maybe its the freo influence:D
LOL :D :D
dockerbabe
17 Nov 2001, 21:29
Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
:D :D :D
I was commenting on the body shape of Big Browny well before Walls opened his mouth.
P.S - Perhaps if Leigh Brown actually stopped trying to be the tough guy on the field, andshut his mouth, he wouldn't constantly be gasping for air. Or is that just because he so unfit.
ok not everyone is a skiny as a twig like you must be
we enter this discussion again if leigh brown is over weight then what the hell is troy wilson???
leigh brown is even under the average body fat for footy players
he may not be too fast but not everyone in the worl can run 100m in 12 seconds i'm an athlete myself and i can't even run that fast
he isnt trying to be the tough guy on the field he is playing the game he loves and doing a good job at it
and i'd probably be right in guessing that if you were in the ring with leigh brown you would be ****ting yourself because he is a big guy but he is not overweight or unfit unless someone has heard some news from the training and prove otherwise
dockerbabe
17 Nov 2001, 21:34
Originally posted by jod23
i think ill stop talking in this thread now...
West Coast are better than Freo though :D
first i'd like to say good idea go and f*#k off back to your wet toast board
and now i would like to say none of us will ever agree on that 2nd thing you had to say so lets just wait and see who wins the first round clash which will hopefully not be a blood bath, so hopefully gardiner will be good, and then we will say who is better
dockerbabe
17 Nov 2001, 21:35
Originally posted by eagleskickass
how has this thread gone from Seeya's in Rd1 to Michael Gardiner has a nice arse, i have no idea.
Maybe its the freo influence:D
nah its more of an eagles influence since gardiner is an eagles player as if a freo supporter, even a blind one, would say that gardiner has a nice arse
TheRealBuzz
18 Nov 2001, 00:57
Originally posted by dockerbabe
If leigh brown is over weight then what the hell is troy wilson???
Troy Wilson isn't fat.
He's big, but that's because he's well built.
Brown is soft and pudgy.
Stupid analogy.
Originally posted by dockerbabe
I'd probably be right in guessing that if you were in the ring with leigh brown you would be ****ting yourself because he is a big guy but he is not overweight or unfit unless someone has heard some news from the training and prove otherwise
I'd just run around the ring a couple of times.
After chasing me for a couple of minutes, Brown would have a heart attack and collapse. :p