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Flying Joey
7 Nov 2005, 10:34
UNLUCKY
darren berry when phil emrey was taken b4 him
jaimee siddons, a walk up start in any national team
martyn - scapegoated
m waugh - the best player i have ever seen and bad rep killed him
LUCKY
hauritz
watson
colin miller
UNLUCKY
Berry
Seccombe
Lehmann
Siddons
Martyn
LUCKY
Brett Lee
Hauritz
Watson
Stuart Clark
Scott Muller.
dan warna
7 Nov 2005, 10:42
UNLUCKY
Berry
Seccombe
Lehmann
Siddons
Martyn
Deano
Hodge
Hussey
Cox
Devonuto
Elliot
Reiffel
Reid (injury)
Kaspa
LUCKY
Brett Lee
Hauritz
Watson
Stuart Clark
Scott Muller
m waugh
Bracken
Peter Taylor
Michael Slater
Shane Lee
King_Neptune
7 Nov 2005, 10:43
Unlucky:
Darren Lehmann - was so good for so long and selectors waited for too long to give him a proper go. Still a great player
Darren Berry - agree. APart from Healy was probably one of the best gloveman going around. Batting only thing that wasn't quite up to scratch
Martin Love - dropped after his ton!
Lucky:
Scott Muller - can't bowl, can't throw ;)
Kerry O'Keefe - did bloody well for a 'club' cricketer
Simon Katich - how does this guy still get a game?
Trevor Chappell - repuation got him a few tests and will only be remembered for 'that' underarm
King_Neptune
7 Nov 2005, 10:45
Mark Waugh lucky Dan Warna??????
Care to explain?
dan warna
7 Nov 2005, 10:51
Mark Waugh lucky Dan Warna??????
Care to explain?
Deano>m.waugh :D
Wicked Lester
7 Nov 2005, 11:31
Here's a controversial one:
Lucky: Steve Waugh - was carried, or at least nursed, for the first quarter of his career. A number of his contemporaries were never afforded the same luxury. Needless to say, he rewarded the faith shown in him, but there was certainly a view circa 1988 that he'd had a charmed run at test level without really delivering. Blokes like Moody, Lehmann, Siddons, Law and even Bevan must have scrathed their heads and wondered why there seemed to be one rule for some, and another for others.
And on that basis:
Unlucky: Tom Moody - Must look at selection policy around the late 1980's and wonder what he did that so annoyed the selectors. Unlike his contemporary above, Moody was never given the luxury of settling into the line up at 5 or 6, but was instead asked to open the innings and occupy the difficult number 3 spot. Was a more than useful bowler too extracting awkward bounce. Lesser players have and will play 50+ tests.
Brad Hogg circa 1996 was lucky to play test cricket
Gavin Robertson, Brad Young, Blocker Wilson all lucky to play for Australia
Siddons, Seccombe, Berry, Cox all very unlucky not too
Here's a controversial one:
Lucky: Steve Waugh - was carried, or at least nursed, for the first quarter of his career. A number of his contemporaries were never afforded the same luxury. Needless to say, he rewarded the faith shown in him, but there was certainly a view circa 1988 that he'd had a charmed run at test level without really delivering. Blokes like Moody, Lehmann, Siddons, Law and even Bevan must have scrathed their heads and wondered why there seemed to be one rule for some, and another for others.
Try circa 1993. When the Windies beat Australia 2-1 the Summer of 1992-3, Waugh couldn't buy a run at first drop. An even 100 saved his arse in Sydney but before and after he didn't score a cracker. He was Ambrose's bunny big time up until his brilliant double century in the Carribean in 1995.
Tugga's career is an example of the modern day cricketer who has not had to face serious quality pace bowling for the majority of his career. When he did (1985-1993) his batting average was mid 30's. It's not Tugga's fault as you can only face what is in front of you, and he was brilliant at destroying and punishing sub-standard attacks during the 2nd half of his career. But someone like Border, who has an almost identical record, must shake his head when he thinks about any dozen or so quality Windies pacemen he had to put up with for 18 tough years, not to mention quality pacemen from other countries such as Akram, Imran, Safraz, Kapil Dev, Botham, Willis and Hadlee. No Zimbos or Bangladesh gimmees back then either.
Unluckly
Stewart Law - one test innings was a not out in Perth and never got to play again.
Lehmann - should have been given many more opportunities.
MacGill - you all know why
Lucky
Wayne Phillips - the Victorian opener.
Simon O'Donnell - was never a test cricketer in my view
Tugga's career is an example of the modern day cricketer who has not had to face serious quality pace bowling for the majority of his career. When he did (1985-1993) his batting average was mid 30's. It's not Tugga's fault as you can only face what is in front of you, and he was brilliant at destroying and punishing sub-standard attacks during the 2nd half of his career. But someone like Border, who has an almost identical record, must shake his head when he thinks about any dozen or so quality Windies pacemen he had to put up with for 18 tough years, not to mention quality pacemen from other countries such as Akram, Imran, Safraz, Kapil Dev, Botham, Willis and Hadlee. No Zimbos or Bangladesh gimmees back then either.
if it wasnt for Border and S.Waugh going through the toughest period of Aussie cricket then we may not have the success we have had. These 2 players brought there experience from this era and a hunger to win that players might not have developed under other peoples captaincy who didnt play in the era.
it also made S.Waugh the batsman he was, had twice more guts and determination then his brother had and anyone else for that matter. gave up the hook shot and was more prepared to bat through it.
LUCKY: Shaun Young . Played 1 test i think round about 97-98 , wasn't an outstanding sheild cricketer but got picked in the last test of that series mainly because he was playing club cricket in England at the time .
Right place Right time .
Freo Big Fella
7 Nov 2005, 12:19
And on that basis:
Unlucky: Tom Moody - Must look at selection policy around the late 1980's and wonder what he did that so annoyed the selectors. Unlike his contemporary above, Moody was never given the luxury of settling into the line up at 5 or 6, but was instead asked to open the innings and occupy the difficult number 3 spot. Was a more than useful bowler too extracting awkward bounce. Lesser players have and will play 50+ tests.
Good to see someone else who recognises how unfairly Big Tom was treated by the selectors.
if it wasnt for Border and S.Waugh going through the toughest period of Aussie cricket then we may not have the success we have had. These 2 players brought there experience from this era and a hunger to win that players might not have developed under other peoples captaincy who didnt play in the era.
it also made S.Waugh the batsman he was, had twice more guts and determination then his brother had and anyone else for that matter. gave up the hook shot and was more prepared to bat through it.
Agree to an extent, but I'd say that AB never had it easy for his entire career whereas Tugga did get to enjoy some respite later in his career. AB didn't have McGrath or Warne in his bowling attack either, which usually meant his teams would be chasing 400+ regularly, targets that he would inevitably fight a lone battle, with precious little support from his fellow batsmen.
If you want to see a batsman who refused to yield, go and see AB score 98* and 100* in the Carribean in 1984 to single-handedly save Australia early in that series. On green tops and against Marshall, Holding, Walsh, et al, and with no support from his fellow batsmen whatsoever.
Agree to an extent, but I'd say that AB never had it easy for his entire career whereas Tugga did get to enjoy some respite later in his career. AB didn't have McGrath or Warne in his bowling attack either, which usually meant his teams would be chasing 400+ regularly, targets that he would inevitably fight a lone battle, with precious little support from his fellow batsmen.
If you want to see a batsman who refused to yield, go and see AB score 98* and 100* in the Carribean in 1984 to single-handedly save Australia early in that series. On green tops and against Marshall, Holding, Walsh, et al, and with no support from his fellow batsmen whatsoever.
agree AB faced quality opposition most of his career.
Steve Waugh was able to be apart one of the greatest test teams ever so of course most teams he played would of been below standard.
Johnson#26
7 Nov 2005, 16:02
Lucky: Young, Wilson, Muller, Young, Haurtiz.
Unlucky: Bichel, Harvey, Love, Law, MacGill.
Lucky- Players born in NSW
Unlucky- Players born in WA, SA, VIC, QLD, TAS :)
ive got a bit of an interesting one.
Unlucky - Jamie Cox there - there were a few season where he was close to the best opener in Australia but never got a look in.
Lucky - Jamie Cox - Not anything to do with selection for Australia but he is lucky to still be getting a game for Tassie after a couple of years of pure failures!!
SorryIHammerChicken
8 Nov 2005, 13:16
UNLUCKY
darren berry when phil emrey was taken b4 him
jaimee siddons, a walk up start in any national team
martyn - scapegoated
m waugh - the best player i have ever seen and bad rep killed him
LUCKY
hauritz
watson
colin miller
Martyn had a good run, I would have dropped Katich before him but you can't say after 12 years in the side he was "unlucky". What about all the times he was supposed to get dropped but didnt? There are far more unlucky than Martyn.
And Miller lucky? He was rewarded for awesome first class form and did well for Australia.
SorryIHammerChicken
8 Nov 2005, 13:18
LUCKY: Shaun Young . Played 1 test i think round about 97-98 , wasn't an outstanding sheild cricketer but got picked in the last test of that series mainly because he was playing club cricket in England at the time .
Right place Right time .
He wasn't a bad player at Shield level, but clearly couldn't make the step up to international cricket. Out of his depth.