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Victoria 4/441 v W.I stumps day 1.
Samuels the strike bowler it seems, has all 3 wickets :D , 1 run out.
Why bother with the second and 3rd tests?
eddiesmith
11 Nov 2005, 17:30
Now come on, dont be so hard on the Windies, they are just proving a point of mine
Victoria >>>>>>>>> Australia
:D :D :D
Johnson#26
11 Nov 2005, 17:57
Just need Harvey, Williams and Inness back...
West Indies are a joke. Please, do me a favour and don't say Australia are back to their best when they convincingly whitewash the Windies.
Last year even Bangladesh were taking it into the last day as a close contest against the Windies, at home. Oh dear.
eddiesmith
11 Nov 2005, 18:00
Just need Harvey, Williams and Inness back...
Nah
Klinger > M.Hussey
Mash < Hayden
Hodge > Ponting
Jewell > Clarke
D.Hussey > Katich
White < Gilchrist
Moss >>>>>>> Watson
Crosthwaite > MacGill
Warne > Lee
Harwood > Bracken
Lewis < McGrath
;) :D
m.diddy
11 Nov 2005, 18:59
Nah
Klinger > M.Hussey
Mash < Hayden
Hodge > Ponting
Jewell > Clarke
D.Hussey > Katich
White < Gilchrist
Moss >>>>>>> Watson
Crosthwaite > MacGill
Warne > Lee
Harwood > Bracken
Lewis < McGrath
;) :D
lol comparing crosswaithe and macgilla, as well as white V Gilchrist. :thumsu:
West Indies don't have Lara and Collymore.
Lara probably thinks he's in sparkling touch the arrogant ****.
Collymore is in cotton wool after his big 4 wicket haul in the first innings.
First innings, first test, Collymore has 3/43 Aus are 6/255 odd
Collymore doesn't get another bowl until Aus are 8/385.
Collymore was later asked why he wasn't bowling.. his response: "I don't know, i was wondering the same thing."
usalion
11 Nov 2005, 20:17
Practice matches....typical roads- good hit out for whoever bats first- see the match at AB
And it is in victoria- the Highway State
An eddie, before you jump- QLD not in any sort of form right now
eddiesmith
11 Nov 2005, 20:22
Practice matches....typical roads- good hit out for whoever bats first- see the match at AB
And it is in victoria- the Highway State
An eddie, before you jump- QLD not in any sort of form right now
QLD are up ******** creek this week when they meet the Bushrangers, what will they do without their only in-form batsman? Meanwhile the entire Bushrangers side except Arnie are in form
Could be a crushing innings defeat
GoSydneySwans
11 Nov 2005, 20:26
Nah
Klinger > M.Hussey
Mash < Hayden
Hodge > Ponting
Jewell > Clarke
D.Hussey > Katich
White < Gilchrist
Moss >>>>>>> Watson
Crosthwaite > MacGill
Warne > Lee
Harwood > Bracken
Lewis < McGrath
;) :D
Or:
Klinger < Hayden
Mash < M. Hussey
Hodge < Ponting (don't know why you thought otherwise... ever seen Punter bat?)
Jewell < Clarke (Clarke isn't as bad as you want to believe)
D.Hussey > Katich (I'll give you that one)
Crosthwaite < Gilchrist
Moss < Watson (You can only go on FC performances for Moss, and Watto's have been better)
White < MacGill (MacGill spins it)
Warne > Lee (bit of a mismatch, best bowler in Aus team vs. the worst)
Harwood < Bracken
Lewis < McGrath
So you win 2/11 spots. Not bad, but one of those is the best bowler in the world, so that was an easy win...David Hussey is a bit underrated IMO
West Indies don't have Lara and Collymore.
Lara probably thinks he's in sparkling touch the arrogant ****.
Collymore is in cotton wool after his big 4 wicket haul in the first innings.
First innings, first test, Collymore has 3/43 Aus are 6/255 odd
Collymore doesn't get another bowl until Aus are 8/385.
Collymore was later asked why he wasn't bowling.. his response: "I don't know, i was wondering the same thing."
:D :D
eddiesmith
11 Nov 2005, 20:30
Or:
Klinger < Hayden
Mash < M. Hussey
Hodge < Ponting (don't know why you thought otherwise... ever seen Punter bat?)
Jewell < Clarke (Clarke isn't as bad as you want to believe)
D.Hussey > Katich (I'll give you that one)
Crosthwaite < Gilchrist
Moss < Watson (You can only go on FC performances for Moss, and Watto's have been better)
White < MacGill (MacGill spins it)
Warne > Lee (bit of a mismatch, best bowler in Aus team vs. the worst)
Harwood < Bracken
Lewis < McGrath
So you win 2/11 spots. Not bad, but one of those is the best bowler in the world, so that was an easy win...David Hussey is a bit underrated IMO
So you had to put Mike Hussey up against a 1st gamer to get a win hey? :D
If we want to go on stats, then we could go on runs against the Windies in the 1st innings
Any opener > M.Hussey
Hayden > Both openers
Hodge > Ponting
Jewell > Clarke
D.Hussey > Katich
And wow, thats all we can do as the Windies could only dismiss 4 of our batsman :D
usalion
11 Nov 2005, 20:38
So you had to put Mike Hussey up against a 1st gamer to get a win hey? :D
If we want to go on stats, then we could go on runs against the Windies in the 1st innings
Any opener > M.Hussey
Hayden > Both openers
Hodge > Ponting
Jewell > Clarke
D.Hussey > Katich
And wow, thats all we can do as the Windies could only dismiss 4 of our batsman :D
Road stats rom the Highway State
YAWN...and it is only 6:30 AM
SorryIHammerChicken
11 Nov 2005, 20:48
Or:
Klinger < Hayden
Mash < M. Hussey
Hodge < Ponting (don't know why you thought otherwise... ever seen Punter bat?)
Jewell < Clarke (Clarke isn't as bad as you want to believe)
D.Hussey > Katich (I'll give you that one)
Crosthwaite < Gilchrist
Moss < Watson (You can only go on FC performances for Moss, and Watto's have been better)
White < MacGill (MacGill spins it)
Warne > Lee (bit of a mismatch, best bowler in Aus team vs. the worst)
Harwood < Bracken
Lewis < McGrath
So you win 2/11 spots. Not bad, but one of those is the best bowler in the world, so that was an easy win...David Hussey is a bit underrated IMO
I agree, but if I wanted to add a bit of bias (just a little, not eddie-like bias ;)) I could say Moss on form is better than Watson, White > MacGill because he can bat and field, and if you swapped Harwood and Lewis, Lewis > Bracken. :)
eddiesmith
11 Nov 2005, 20:49
Road stats rom the Highway State
YAWN...and it is only 6:30 AM
Ok then, so if its always a highway in Victoria, then you would expect the best team of the last 10 years to make 500+ every innings wouldnt you?
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Victoria v Queensland
Pura Cup 2003/04 (Final)
Venue Melbourne Cricket Ground on 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th March 2004 (5-day match)
Balls per over 6
Toss Queensland won the toss and decided to field
Result Victoria won by 321 runs
Umpires PD Parker, RL Parry
Referee RW Stratford
Close of play day 1 Victoria (1) 322/1 (Elliott 140*, Hodge 85*; 96 overs)
Close of play day 2 Victoria (1) 592/6 (Harvey 34*, McDonald 37*; 186 overs)
Close of play day 3 Queensland (1) 177/6 (Love 22*, Bichel 2*; 64 overs)
Close of play day 4 Queensland (2) 56/2 (Perren 32*, Law 8*; 16 overs)
Man of the Match MTG Elliott
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Victoria first innings Runs Balls Mins 4s 6s
MTG Elliott c Hartley b Bichel 155 302 411 22 -
JL Arnberger lbw b Hauritz 90 169 192 11 2
BJ Hodge c Hopes b Dawes 89 171 205 14 -
J Moss c Law b Hauritz 98 186 243 13 1
DJ Hussey c Hartley b Noffke 16 37 47 2 -
CL White c Hartley b Simpson 54 127 168 5 1
IJ Harvey b Noffke 62 109 155 8 -
AB McDonald c sub b Dawes 42 81 100 6 -
*+DS Berry c Law b Hauritz 61 65 90 6 1
ML Lewis lbw b Noffke 11 32 44 1 -
AB Wise not out 1 5 4 - -
Extras (3 b, 14 lb, 12 nb, 2 w) 31
Total (all out, 834 minutes, 212 overs) 710
Fall of wickets:
1-165 (Arnberger, 53.1 ov), 2-336 (Hodge, 103.5 ov), 3-342 (Elliott, 106.2 ov), 4-369 (Hussey, 116.3 ov), 5-504 (White, 160.6 ov), 6-516 (Moss, 165.2 ov), 7-614 (McDonald, 191.1 ov), 8-656 (Harvey, 200.3 ov), 9-708 (Lewis, 210.5 ov), 10-710 (Berry, 211.6 ov)
Queensland bowling Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Wides No-Balls
Bichel 37 4 170 1 1 3
Dawes 38 9 97 2 - -
Noffke 31 4 104 3 1 7
Hopes 24 5 80 0 - 2
Hauritz 50 13 145 3 - -
Simpson 22 5 66 1 - -
Law 9 2 26 0 - -
Perren 1 0 5 0 - -
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Queensland first innings Runs Balls Mins 4s 6s
*JP Maher lbw b Moss 72 184 234 5 -
CT Perren c Berry b Lewis 40 81 115 4 -
SG Law c Hussey b White 18 40 49 1 -
CP Simpson lbw b White 8 12 11 2 -
JR Hopes lbw b White 5 18 33 - -
ML Love not out 65 163 206 7 -
+CD Hartley lbw b Moss 0 7 9 - -
AJ Bichel lbw b White 19 41 53 2 1
AA Noffke c Lewis b Moss 13 27 39 2 -
NM Hauritz b McDonald 0 2 3 - -
JH Dawes b Harvey 21 66 75 3 -
Extras (3 b, 5 lb, 6 nb) 14
Total (all out, 418 minutes, 105.5 overs) 275
Fall of wickets:
1-85 (Perren, 28.3 ov), 2-122 (Law, 41.2 ov), 3-132 (Simpson, 43.6 ov), 4-148 (Hopes, 51.6 ov), 5-157 (Maher, 57.4 ov), 6-157 (Hartley, 59.5 ov), 7-201 (Bichel, 73.5 ov), 8-228 (Noffke, 83.6 ov), 9-229 (Hauritz, 84.4 ov), 10-275 (Dawes, 105.5 ov)
Victoria bowling Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Wides No-Balls
Wise 10 4 21 0 - 1
Harvey 14.5 3 41 1 - 1
Lewis 24 10 66 1 - 2
McDonald 16 4 55 1 - 2
White 30 6 66 4 - -
Moss 11 4 18 3 - -
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Victoria second innings Runs Balls Mins 4s 6s
JL Arnberger c and b Hauritz 72 89 107 4 4
MTG Elliott not out 55 81 121 6 1
BJ Hodge not out 5 11 13 - -
J Moss did not bat
DJ Hussey did not bat
CL White did not bat
IJ Harvey did not bat
AB McDonald did not bat
*+DS Berry did not bat
ML Lewis did not bat
AB Wise did not bat
Extras (5 lb, 1 nb, 2 w) 8
Total (1 wicket, declared, 121 minutes, 30 overs) 140
Fall of wickets:
1-119 (Arnberger, 26.2 ov)
Queensland bowling Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Wides No-Balls
Dawes 7 2 22 0 1 -
Bichel 6 0 22 0 1 1
Hopes 9 2 37 0 - -
Hauritz 8 0 54 1 - -
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Queensland second innings Runs Balls Mins 4s 6s
*JP Maher c White b Lewis 0 1 1 - -
CT Perren lbw b Lewis 32 50 63 4 -
ML Love lbw b Lewis 14 32 31 1 -
SG Law b White 72 114 147 9 -
CP Simpson c Berry b Lewis 15 24 26 2 -
JR Hopes c White b Harvey 31 41 61 3 -
+CD Hartley not out 31 73 115 3 1
AJ Bichel c Elliott b Lewis 3 3 3 - -
AA Noffke lbw b McDonald 13 41 46 2 -
NM Hauritz c Lewis b McDonald 33 31 31 6 1
JH Dawes c Berry b Lewis 2 5 5 - -
Extras (4 b, 4 nb) 8
Total (all out, 269 minutes, 68.3 overs) 254
Fall of wickets:
1-0 (Maher, 0.1 ov), 2-31 (Love, 8.6 ov), 3-56 (Perren, 16.1 ov), 4-86 (Simpson, 22.6 ov), 5-152 (Hopes, 39.1 ov), 6-174 (Law, 46.3 ov), 7-177 (Bichel, 47.1 ov), 8-211 (Noffke, 59.5 ov), 9-249 (Hauritz, 67.3 ov), 10-254 (Dawes, 68.3 ov)
Victoria bowling Overs Mdns Runs Wkts Wides No-Balls
Lewis 17.3 4 59 6 - 3
Harvey 14 4 43 1 - -
McDonald 15 5 34 2 - 1
Moss 5 2 19 0 - -
White 13 1 83 1 - -
Hodge 4 1 12 0 - -
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That was played on an apparent highway, yet QLD could only manage 529 over 2 innings, how come?
:D :D :D
its not just a highway.. its almost like a highway thats brand new. ive played there the ball has some of the biggest gashes you will ever see on a 1st class playing field after 40 overs. but i will agree 100% if the windies cannot get at least 350.
eddiesmith
11 Nov 2005, 20:52
I agree, but if I wanted to add a bit of bias (just a little, not eddie-like bias ;)) I could say Moss on form is better than Watson, White > MacGill because he can bat and field, and if you swapped Harwood and Lewis, Lewis > Bracken. :)
I would still say that Harwood is better than Bracken, and he can bat
usalion
11 Nov 2005, 20:54
Ok then, so if its always a highway in Victoria, then you would expect the best team of the last 10 years to make 500+ every innings wouldnt you?
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:D :D :D
As I've said elsewhere, ed, even blind squirrels can find nuts at times...
Let me know when the Vics win by 300+ runs
The Highway State, where it never rains
SorryIHammerChicken
11 Nov 2005, 20:56
I would still say that Harwood is better than Bracken, and he can bat
Bracken started out as a batsman, and sometimes he does alright with the bat. Harwood is a great bowler but injuries have ruined him. Could have been in Bracken's position if it wasnt for that.
dan warna
11 Nov 2005, 21:18
Bracken started out as a batsman, and sometimes he does alright with the bat. Harwood is a great bowler but injuries have ruined him. Could have been in Bracken's position if it wasnt for that.
could ahve been in brackens position if he played for NSW.
Inness, Rofe and Bichel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lee
harwood > Lee
GoSydneySwans
11 Nov 2005, 22:52
So you had to put Mike Hussey up against a 1st gamer to get a win hey? :D
You had Hayden up against a 1st gamer so that you could get Hussey against Klinger...that's really fair too :p
Just thought I would be clever and show you how scorecards should be posted, Eddie :D
Victoria 1st innings R M B 4 6
LR Mash b Samuels 44 120 80 5 1
M Klinger run out (Best) 2 14 5 0 0
BJ Hodge c sub (DB Powell) b Samuels 177 239 178 23 5
N Jewell c Ramdin b Samuels 59 196 139 2 0
DJ Hussey not out 91 120 92 4 4
*CL White not out 29 58 49 2 0
Extras (b 7, lb 2, w 5, nb 25) 39
Total (4 wickets, 87 overs) 441
DNB: J Moss, +AJ Crosthwaite, ML Lewis, AB Wise, PM Siddle.
FoW: 1-19 (Klinger, 2.1 ov), 2-127 (Mash, 24.6 ov),
3-286 (Hodge, 56.6 ov), 4-351 (Jewell, 72.1 ov).
Bowling O M R W
Edwards 13 0 58 0 (7nb)
Best 16 1 91 0 (10nb, 5w)
Lawson 12 2 52 0 (4nb)
Bravo 13 0 64 0 (4nb)
Samuels 29 3 149 3
DR Smith 4 2 18 0
Johnson#26
12 Nov 2005, 05:35
Nah
Klinger > M.Hussey
Mash < Hayden
Hodge > Ponting
Jewell > Clarke
D.Hussey > Katich
White < Gilchrist
Moss >>>>>>> Watson
Crosthwaite > MacGill
Warne > Lee
Harwood > Bracken
Lewis < McGrath
;) :D
Still think Harvey, Williams and Inness would make a world of difference. Would be hard to change the line-up, but...
Ok then, so if its always a highway in Victoria, then you would expect the best team of the last 10 years to make 500+ every innings wouldnt you?
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Victoria v Queensland
Pura Cup 2003/04 (Final)
Venue Melbourne Cricket Ground......
You can stop right there. This match is being played the Junction Oval, which really is a road. Wasn't that long ago that Love made a triple century on this pitch.
Blues_Man
12 Nov 2005, 10:21
could ahve been in brackens position if he played for NSW.
Inness, Rofe and Bichel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lee
harwood > Lee
Dan your obsession re Lee is bordering on the ridiculous and i'm a tad embarrassed for you ...the only bowler in your list with any claims is Bichel ....the others are just out and out duds .
How about you name your new baby Brett Lee ??? then you just gotta love him :D
dan warna
12 Nov 2005, 10:33
Dan your obsession re Lee is bordering on the ridiculous and i'm a tad embarrassed for you ...the only bowler in your list with any claims is Bichel ....the others are just out and out duds .
How about you name your new baby Brett Lee ??? then you just gotta love him :D
inness first class performances over the years have been outstanding.
he is clearly one of the best FC bowlers in Aus.
Bichs has been an outstanding player for Qld (not just a good ordinarly but outstanding) and his form in the test side has been adequate.
Rofe has a been a very good player for SA and frankly if not for Rofe and Tait, SA would have been humiliated even more than their humiliating season last year.
eddiesmith
12 Nov 2005, 16:18
Just thought I would be clever and show you how scorecards should be posted, Eddie :D
Victoria 1st innings R M B 4 6
LR Mash b Samuels 44 120 80 5 1
M Klinger run out (Best) 2 14 5 0 0
BJ Hodge c sub (DB Powell) b Samuels 177 239 178 23 5
N Jewell c Ramdin b Samuels 59 196 139 2 0
DJ Hussey not out 91 120 92 4 4
*CL White not out 29 58 49 2 0
Extras (b 7, lb 2, w 5, nb 25) 39
Total (4 wickets, 87 overs) 441
DNB: J Moss, +AJ Crosthwaite, ML Lewis, AB Wise, PM Siddle.
FoW: 1-19 (Klinger, 2.1 ov), 2-127 (Mash, 24.6 ov),
3-286 (Hodge, 56.6 ov), 4-351 (Jewell, 72.1 ov).
Bowling O M R W
Edwards 13 0 58 0 (7nb)
Best 16 1 91 0 (10nb, 5w)
Lawson 12 2 52 0 (4nb)
Bravo 13 0 64 0 (4nb)
Samuels 29 3 149 3
DR Smith 4 2 18 0
I know how to, its just the scorecards from the site I got it from bunch up anyway even with coding
Dan, i just checked MOTM odds for 2nd test Lee is 3rd favourite even ahead of McGarth.
Bookies don't lie.
SorryIHammerChicken
12 Nov 2005, 22:26
Dan, i just checked MOTM odds for 2nd test Lee is 3rd favourite even ahead of McGarth.
Bookies don't lie.
Sorry mate, but that comment shows you are an absolute idiot. In horse racing, favourites rarely win.
Is the MOTM odds available on Betfair? If so, I'd lay the odds on Lee, since he is clearly too short.
Nel Mangle
13 Nov 2005, 00:50
All the windies pace bowling attack are midgets. Guys like fidel edwards and tino best are dwarves compared to the guys they used to have.
Having afew 6ft+ pace bowlers is essential .Guys like McGrath ,harmison ,flintoff,etc....
Sorry mate, but that comment shows you are an absolute idiot. In horse racing, favourites rarely win.
I'm in idiot for quoting bookies prices? hmm ok.
Using the WEIGHTING SYSTEM for the bookies.. this means Lee would have to be 4th favourite. :rolleyes:
Grandpa
13 Nov 2005, 06:58
All the windies pace bowling attack are midgets. Guys like fidel edwards and tino best are dwarves compared to the guys they used to have.
Having afew 6ft+ pace bowlers is essential .Guys like McGrath ,harmison ,flintoff,etc....
They have a young bowler who is over 6 foot tall. 6 foot 4 i think. Dwight Washington. Probably should have been selected ahead of Best.
Is the MOTM odds available on Betfair?
No
Browney
13 Nov 2005, 11:22
I'm in idiot for quoting bookies prices? hmm ok.
Yes
SorryIHammerChicken
13 Nov 2005, 14:59
I'm in idiot for quoting bookies prices? hmm ok.
No, you're an idiot for believing whatever the bookies say as gospel. It's no secret favourites are often wrongly rated.
Anyway, can you honestly tell me that Lee should be one of the favourites for MOTM? 1 Michelle since 2001.
nicho_magic
13 Nov 2005, 17:10
Nah
Klinger > M.Hussey
Mash < Hayden
Hodge > Ponting
Jewell > Clarke
D.Hussey > Katich
White < Gilchrist
Moss >>>>>>> Watson
Crosthwaite > MacGill
Warne > Lee
Harwood > Bracken
Lewis < McGrath
;) :D
and eddiesmith further adds to his un-debated knowledge of cricket by comparing a keeper to a leggie. someone explain please?
eddiesmith
13 Nov 2005, 17:14
and eddiesmith further adds to his un-debated knowledge of cricket by comparing a keeper to a leggie. someone explain please?
Batting order
Leg_Spinning_Sensation
13 Nov 2005, 20:04
Sorry mate, but that comment shows you are an absolute idiot. In horse racing, favourites rarely win.
Is the MOTM odds available on Betfair? If so, I'd lay the odds on Lee, since he is clearly too short.
Lee has the ability to turn a match, he can very bad or very good. He should be up there in the favourites because he can produce memorizing spells of super quick bowling. Also, what does horse racing have to do with it? Rarely, i don't know, most times the bookies are pretty much on the money.
eddiesmith
13 Nov 2005, 20:05
Hayden
Ponting
Gilchrist
Warne
McGrath
Lara
Chanderpaul
Should all be ahead of Lee in MOTM betting, but punters are stupid and fall for the media hype