Gold Coast never to get an AFL team.

[Benno From Berwick]

Southport can not and will not ever be granted an AFL licence.

There is not the corporate support, the membership nor the interest in AFL to support a team on the Gold Coast.

[Hawkk]

Bloodsports is looming :eek:

[Captain Sensible]

They arent getting our team thats for sure.

[Zeke]

They arent getting our team thats for sure.

How sure are you?

Can you be sure?

:cool:

[jmerino]

Southport can not and will not ever be granted an AFL licence.

There is not the corporate support, the membership nor the interest in AFL to support a team on the Gold Coast.

You never been there recently huh.
Southport Sharks is a hell of a lot more profitable than the Bullies have ever been without an AFL licence.

[Benno From Berwick]

You never been there recently huh.
Southport Sharks is a hell of a lot more profitable than the Bullies have ever been without an AFL licence.

Take the hook out of your mouth....

[Captain Sensible]

How sure are you?

Can you be sure?

:cool:




Been there, done that, will do it again. :p


Bring it on. :D

[Captain Sensible]

You never been there recently huh.
Southport Sharks is a hell of a lot more profitable than the Bullies have ever been without an AFL licence.



Maybe its the fact they dont have the expense of fielding a team in the AFL that makes them so profitable.

[Benno From Berwick]

Maybe its the fact they dont have the expense of fielding a team in the AFL that makes them so profitable.


They need 24 million plus to run a successful footy team in the AFL.

BTW, the local Milk Bar earns a better profit than the Bullies.....but I am sure he will not be starting up a team in his backyard anytime soon.

[Roylion]

Southport can not and will not ever be granted an AFL licence.

There is not the corporate support, the membership nor the interest in AFL to support a team on the Gold Coast.

Rubbish.

[MarkT]

If the location is to the Commissions liking all you need for a team is the licence fee. The will be provided one way or another. At least that's what history would indicate.

[Benno From Berwick]

Rubbish.

I think you should think it through.

[Captain Sensible]

If the location is to the Commissions liking all you need for a team is the licence fee. The will be provided one way or another. At least that's what history would indicate.



The commision can be very pragmatic. Would relocating a team be cheaper than starting from scratch?

[Roylion]

I think you should think it through.

I have. Look up any of my posts from 2001 onwards on the subject.

I think it's you who needs to think it through.

Look forward to reading your thoroughly detailed explanation of why there will never be a team on the Gold Coast.

[jmerino]

The commision can be very pragmatic. Would relocating a team be cheaper than starting from scratch?


Not when the Bullies comes with 5 million in debt to be repaid.

Southport and the Gold Coast is the fastest growing corporate area in Australia. it has been for the last 10 years.

They already have a succesful offield set up, they run a highly successful QSFL team.They have the corporate sponsors rareing to go.

[rick James]

They arent getting our team thats for sure.

What team is that, the Western Bulldogs?

[MarkT]

The commision can be very pragmatic. Would relocating a team be cheaper than starting from scratch?That might depend on what debts had to be paid out to relocate a team and who was paying for the team to be set up from scratch or to be relocated. I don't think it matters though because I don't think it's on the horizon at this point.

[Captain Sensible]

What team is that, the Western Bulldogs?




The team whose supporters refused to let die then fought for and finally won. I understand its a foreign concept.

[Benno From Berwick]

I have. Look up any of my posts from 2001 onwards on the subject.

I think it's you who needs to think it through.

Look forward to reading your thoroughly detailed explanation of why there will never be a team on the Gold Coast.

I am having a book signing soon. Provide your details on your way out I will send you a copy.....

[Doctorb]

Southport can not and will not ever be granted an AFL licence.

There is not the corporate support, the membership nor the interest in AFL to support a team on the Gold Coast.
I am having a book signing soon. Provide your details on your way out I will send you a copy.....

Does the advent of making assertions of fact without documentation appear in your book?

[Benno From Berwick]

Does the advent of making assertions of fact without documentation appear in your book?


Like a team on the Gold Coast.....it will be pure fiction!!!!

[Doctorb]

Like a team on the Gold Coast.....it will be pure fiction!!!!
Figures. You seem to be quite gifted at pumping out stuff from your imagination.

[Benno From Berwick]

Figures. You seem to be quite gifted at pumping out stuff from your imagination.

You mean, like most writers?

[Joffaboy]

NEWS FLASH:

Bulldogs go fishing, reeling them in by the bucketful :D

[Benno From Berwick]

NEWS FLASH:

Bulldogs go fishing, reeling them in by the bucketful :D


Thanks Joffaboy.

You lnow most out there are easy.

What is the limit? You would have pulled a few in over the journey.

[mediumsizered]

Southport can not and will not ever be granted an AFL licence.

There is not the corporate support, the membership nor the interest in AFL to support a team on the Gold Coast.

You are partially right Benno. There will probably never be an AFL team playing games on the Gold Coast, but if a second licence is ever granted in Qld it will most likely go to the Southport Sharks. They do have the financial capability to operate an AFL team, but the AFL will only grant them a licence on the condition that they play most, if not all, of their games at the Gabba. This is virtually etched in stone.

[ParraEelsNRL]

Probably better, because once the Titans get up n playing, there wouldn't be enough support up there for any AFL team.

Wonder why the AFL never play games at the GC without the Lions involved?

Is it because they are scared that only 5,000 people at the most would turn up?

Just like in Canberra when they give away 9,000 tix in a 14,000 seat ground, then turn around and say it was a sellout :rolleyes:

[littleduck]

Fair comment.

[Rob]

Probably better, because once the Titans get up n playing, there wouldn't be enough support up there for any AFL team.

Wonder why the AFL never play games at the GC without the Lions involved?

Is it because they are scared that only 5,000 people at the most would turn up?


You mean like Melbourne v Adelaide?

Care to bet that more than 5,000 will show up?

[yob]

They need 24 million plus to run a successful footy team in the AFL.

And the Bulldogs do around 20 mill, right?

*edit*

Oops! It's 19.3 million.

[ParraEelsNRL]

You mean like Melbourne v Adelaide?

Care to bet that more than 5,000 will show up?


Is that with or without freebies 1st?

[Benno From Berwick]

And the Bulldogs do around 20 mill, right?

Yob, you are wrong again. Check out their annual report. All the answers are in the report.

[yob]

Yob, you are wrong again. Check out their annual report. All the answers are in the report.

Indeed I was wrong - it's actually 19.3 million.

[mediumsizered]

Probably better, because once the Titans get up n playing, there wouldn't be enough support up there for any AFL team.

Wonder why the AFL never play games at the GC without the Lions involved?

Is it because they are scared that only 5,000 people at the most would turn up?

Just like in Canberra when they give away 9,000 tix in a 14,000 seat ground, then turn around and say it was a sellout :rolleyes:

The Titans will probably enjoy the huge amount of success that the Seagulls and the Giants enjoyed. Even with such names as Lewis, Shearer and Vowles, among others, the Gold Coast could not conjure any success. It will always be hard for any code to run a successful franchise on the Coast because of the transient nature of the population and the fact that the majority of residents on the Gold Coast have brought with them well established ties to existing AFL and NRL clubs.

[Benno From Berwick]

Indeed I was wrong - it's actually 19.3 million.

There you go.

Bagging the Bulldogs financial position is like shoting fish in a barrel.

[Roylion]

I am having a book signing soon. Provide your details on your way out I will send you a copy.....

Just here will do.

You made the assertion that the Gold Coast will never have an AFL team. I'd like to read your reasons as to why that is the case. Clearly you have nothing to back up your argument.

Southport have had an application to join the AFL since 1996. According to Paul Wyatt, the Southport CEO, the club has been told that when a vacancy arises, that they are the prime canditate to fill that vacancy. They have also been told that if they wish to fast-track their entry, that the way to do this was to persuade a Melbourne based club to relocate to the Gold Coast. Southport have already approached at least three Melbourne clubs to do so.

Wyatt also stated that Southport were ready to enter the AFL now and that corporate support is organised. They have a $5 million warchest ready to pay any licence fee upfront, should they be admitted. He also believes there is enough interest on the Gold Coast to sustain an AFL team, as does the Southport chairman...a former director of the Brisbane Lions. Alan Piper the late chairman of the Brisbane Lions also believed an AFL team on the Gold Coast was inevitable.

Make no mistake, the longer the delay between now and admitting Southport into the competition, either in its own right or as part of a relocated Melbourne entity only makes the event more inevitable.

[fabulousphil]

Its a certainty....the GC will get a team, whether it is a relocated team or a new one time will tell, whether it is sooner rather than later time will tell...sorry i could not be more specific. :)

Although i dont live there my feeling is that there is the money and a fair bit of support at community level.

[The Dice Man]

Southport can not and will not ever be granted an AFL licence.

There is not the corporate support, the membership nor the interest in AFL to support a team on the Gold Coast.


You could say the same about the Western Suburbs of Melbourne.

[Helix]

Of two things I am sure.

1) The Gold Coast will have an AFL licence in the next 10 years.
2) The Western Bulldogs will lose the ability to continue in the AFL.

The rest is just maths.

[Hawkk]

The Gold Coast will have a team......alternating between the Gabba and Carrara, until the do up Carrara to fit 30 000 people. It will be a massive success. But CANT be a relocated team. It must be a new team and have the moniker of a shark.

[Orangewhip]

The Gold Coast used to be transient, but not anymore. The South East corner is expanding at a ridiculous rate. League is popular, but not like it used to be. You wouldn't hear about AFL up here years ago unless you bought a Melbourne paper or played locally. Now, the Brisbane Lions are better supported on the coast than any NRL team bar the Broncos, (that's NQ Cowboys included). The Titans will go well, but for how long? An AFL team would be just as good a chance as the Titans.

And what a crap name the Titan's is. American college vomit material.

[Funkalicous]

The Gold Coast will have a team......alternating between the Gabba and Carrara, until the do up Carrara to fit 30 000 people. It will be a massive success. But CANT be a relocated team. It must be a new team and have the moniker of a shark.

There was quite some hoo-hah last year within the Gold Coast CIty Counsil. They were so desperate for any national team that they were willing to renovate Carrara for AFL matches. The door was open like you've never seen, but the AFL didn't take much notice.

The door's still open though. Gold Coast are obsessed with spending money on growth. They want everything. Australia's tallest buildings, new shopping centres, new businesses (it's not just tourism anymore), and now even national footy sides. Pretty exciting really...

I'm dissapointed with the AFL mind you. They aren't giving Southport a leg to stand on. There's nothing more Southport can do at this stage. They're making money, dominating the QAFL, getting sponsers, ect... What else do they have to do?

Atleast now finally the AFL are testing the waters up here. 1 NAB pre-season match and 2 H&A games should give them an idea of the support up here. And mark my words, we'll make a statement!

[fishmonger]

Probably better, because once the Titans get up n playing, there wouldn't be enough support up there for any AFL team.

Wonder why the AFL never play games at the GC without the Lions involved?

Is it because they are scared that only 5,000 people at the most would turn up?

Just like in Canberra when they give away 9,000 tix in a 14,000 seat ground, then turn around and say it was a sellout :rolleyes:

If 16,000 can turn up for a pre-season AFL practice match with the Lions involved, then it is possible to get a half decent crowd without the Lions involved.

Next year's Brisbane vs Essendon NAB pre-season cup game is the first official match in 16 years on the Gold Coast and is already receiving a lot of hype. Expect it and the 3 other games scheduled for next year to also sell out.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=236615

They won't need to give away tickets either.

I hear you though, it would be an interesting experiment to see 2 non-Queensland teams play at the Gold Coast. I'd say that Collingwood vs Essendon would quite easily get packed to the rafters there. But why ??? Would Melbourne people turn up to see the Roosters play the Eels at the MCG ? The idea is about having a local team to support - not 2 completely foreign teams, and arguing that a team with the Gold Coast name that has grown out of an extremely well supported local team would not have such support is incredibly stupid.

As for the Canberra games, they would have sold out anyway despite the Foxtel promotion. I was one of many Melburnians who missed out on a ticket to the game. The reason was that the game was not on free-to-air and the promotion was deliberately aimed at forcing Melbourne people to subscribe or view on Foxtel in order to see the game. The 5,000 non promotional ticketts were officially "sold out" 4 months before it was even played. With this in mind, the rest wouldn't have taken another 4 months to go. Besides the once off promotions, most other Canberra games get really healthy crowds without giving away tickets.

[Vader]

As for the Canberra games, they would have sold out anyway despite the Foxtel promotion. I was one of many Melburnians who missed out on a ticket to the game. The reason was that the game was not on free-to-air and the promotion was deliberately aimed at forcing Melbourne people to subscribe or view on Foxtel in order to see the game. The 5,000 non promotional ticketts were officially "sold out" 4 months before it was even played. With this in mind, the rest wouldn't have taken another 4 months to go. Besides the once off promotions, most other Canberra games get really healthy crowds without giving away tickets.

The only AFL games which sell out in Canberra are those involving the Sydney Swans - and they sell out because of the masses of Sydneysiders who make the 3 hour trek down the Hume Highway.

Can't remember who North were playing in the notorious Foxtel sell-out game, but if it wasn't Sydney then the game wouldn't have sold out.

Trust me, I live in Canberra and have never had any difficulty in buying tickets at the gate (unless Sydney are playing).

A good crowd, yes. A sell out, no.

[mediumsizered]

The Gold Coast used to be transient, but not anymore. The South East corner is expanding at a ridiculous rate. League is popular, but not like it used to be. You wouldn't hear about AFL up here years ago unless you bought a Melbourne paper or played locally. Now, the Brisbane Lions are better supported on the coast than any NRL team bar the Broncos, (that's NQ Cowboys included). The Titans will go well, but for how long? An AFL team would be just as good a chance as the Titans.

And what a crap name the Titan's is. American college vomit material.

You are right about the Titans being a crap name. Every time I hear that name I think of steel garages. Maybe their supporters will be chanting "go the sheds"

[fishmonger]

Can't remember who North were playing in the notorious Foxtel sell-out game, but if it wasn't Sydney then the game wouldn't have sold out.

It was the Melbourne Demons, and yes, only 100 tickets were made availble to 24,000 Demons members.
At the time, both Melbourne and North were at the top of the ladder.
Would have got a big crowd for sure, but I also think it would have sold out.
Ended up watching the game at a pub that had Foxtel on.

[littleduck]

It was the Melbourne Demons, and yes, only 100 tickets were made availble to 24,000 Demons members.
At the time, both Melbourne and North were at the top of the ladder.
Would have got a big crowd for sure, but I also think it would have sold out.
Ended up watching the game at a pub that had Foxtel on.
I'd rather follow a team nicknamed the "Titans" than the "Demons".

[Hawkk]

I'd rather follow a team nicknamed the "Titans" than the "Demons".
At least the Demons is a traditional moniker.

The Titans is a american style franchise like the Cowboys when they should have called them the Jackaroos and you know it.

It's like at the league grand final when the players dump gatorade on the coach, why use an American custom.

[Funkalicous]

At least the Demons is a traditional moniker.

The Titans is a american style franchise like the Cowboys when they should have called them the Jackaroos and you know it.

It's like at the league grand final when the players dump gatorade on the coach, why use an American custom.

I find the cheer leading show ponies to be more odd. What tactical advantage do they provide?

[Walsh Bay]

'Titans' is at least a great old classical word meaning 'giants'.

You want mindless americana? How about 'Broncos' and "Cowboys'?

[ParraEelsNRL]

'Titans' is at least a great old classical word meaning 'giants'.

You want mindless americana? How about 'Broncos' and "Cowboys'?


Should've called em the Indians, we've a had a hat trick of American ******** in 1 go :thumbsu:

QLDers :rolleyes:

[Jimthegreat]

The Brisbane Bears and two RL have tried and failed miserably at Carrara. Queenslanders already have their team and given the name alone "Brisbane" virtually ensures "state-based" support it would damn hard to get true support for a 2nd Qld team especially in RL heartland . It will take a generation at least to get sufficient support, and that will be tough enough given it's RL territory. It's will be tough enough to get that in Brisbane itself let alone the Gold Coast given that area has failed badly before with 2 codes.

[gridlocked]

Of two things I am sure.

1) The Gold Coast will have an AFL licence in the next 10 years.
2) The Western Bulldogs will lose the ability to continue in the AFL.

The rest is just maths.


Of one thing I am sure.

1) You are a tosser.

[catters05]

IMO THE Dogs will be fine. They are a little slow, but things will turn around for them. Some success in 06 will make things a lot different for them, they are an exciting team to watch. People will get out and see them, on the corporate side they have to do things differently. They are not an Essendon or a Collingwood. WIth the redevelopment going on this could do a lot of good for the Western Suburbs and hopefully build their profile with non-afl following people in the west.

The Darwin and Sydney game, not sure if they help as they are. If they had got the 2 games in Darwin this season they would of pocketed almost an extra $500K or something that the NT Govt was going to give them, but the AFL have screwed them in 06. Does the Sydney game really help them????

I think the Doggies should play 3 games in which ever location they choose to really get any advantage out of it like the Kangas, the Kangas are growing in Canberra?

Either 3 games in Darwin in June/July (Dry Cooler Season) and improve their membership deal, not many territorians would go to 5 games in Victoria. Work with the local NTFL clubs, so some membership money goes to them. Sign up as a Doggie and your local club...........

3 games in Sydney in the Western Suburbs of Sydney (Who cares if they only get 15K or something to the game, they are building their profile and it will take time) They could setup camp in Western Suburbs and just have a crack.

Darwin will help them in the short term and is already pretty AFL made, but if they could get some setup in the western suburbs of sydney not to take over but build a little supporter base then they will do okay. It costs money, but if it is for spreading the code then cough up afl.

What do others think of the Darwin/Sydney option? I dont think the Dogs will survive playing all games in Melbourne.


Gold Coast will be a new franchise, the AFL will not want to spend another 20 years getting people to accept another Vic team as their own. Build from scratch, people should hopefully get behind it. The place will really own it from the start.

THis is just what I think anyway.

[catters05]

The Brisbane Bears and two RL have tried and failed miserably at Carrara. Queenslanders already have their team and given the name alone "Brisbane" virtually ensures "state-based" support it would damn hard to get true support for a 2nd Qld team especially in RL heartland . It will take a generation at least to get sufficient support, and that will be tough enough given it's RL territory. It's will be tough enough to get that in Brisbane itself let alone the Gold Coast given that area has failed badly before with 2 codes.

I think the rivalry between a Brisbane and a Gold Coast team would become as great as the Derby's and Showdowns.

People who live in Brisbane I dont think like the GC and vice versa....I think.

Brisbane Bears playing out of a Stadium in the Coast was a stupid idea from the start.

[Helix]

Of one thing I am sure.

1) You are a tosser.
Deny it all you want..

[paul scholes]

Deny it all you want..
brisbane bears were such a HUGE success on the gold coast.

[Helix]

brisbane bears were such a HUGE success on the gold coast.
Do you know why? Or do you just make funny noises?

[paul scholes]

Do you know why? Or do you just make funny noises?
listen i attended a match in 92 where there was 1,500 people there, deny it all you like it's a holiday destination or aretirement haven for ex vics. How many sporting teams have failed on the gold coast.

[Helix]

listen i attended a match in 92 where there was 1,500 people there, deny it all you like it's a holiday destination or aretirement haven for ex vics. How many sporting teams have failed on the gold coast.
So you believe that a game 13 years ago with a team playing 90 klms away from their named city that was privately owned by a real estate developer, with players that came here to retire and enjoy the good life is indicative of how it is now? Truly inspired. I think the cold is affecting you, you should move north.

[paul scholes]

So you believe that a game 13 years ago with a team playing 90 klms away from their named city that was privately owned by a real estate developer, with players that came here to retire and enjoy the good life is indicative of how it is now? Truly inspired. I think the cold is affecting you, you should move north.
so tell me ''how is it now '' are people on the gold coast following brisbane? if so are they going to change their alliance to a new gold coast team? I agree the initial brisbane bear years were a joke.

[Helix]

so tell me ''how is it now '' are people on the gold coast following brisbane? if so are they going to change their alliance to a new gold coast team? I agree the initial brisbane bear years were a joke.
Some do. Some follow other sides. When the Southport Sharks enter the comp they will have a good following, and make a lot of money. In the end, that is going to be the difference, like it or not.

[willsko87]

Canberra & Tasmanian team would be good. Im not sure how we would go with 18 teams though.

Dont click here! (http://www.afl-online.com)

[paul scholes]

Some do. Some follow other sides. When the Southport Sharks enter the comp they will have a good following, and make a lot of money. In the end, that is going to be the difference, like it or not.
not interested in a S**T fight but don't most fans on the gold coast ex vics who follow melb teams? Surely fans in southport aren't going to change their allegience from bris to a new alliance?

[Hawks88bestever]

As soon as Brisbane has a few years in the doldrums the QLD fans will jump off the bandwagon. There is no need for a second QLD club

[Benno From Berwick]

Some do. Some follow other sides. When the Southport Sharks enter the comp they will have a good following, and make a lot of money. In the end, that is going to be the difference, like it or not.

ha ha ha ha ha

Not while your butt points to the ground.

Rubgy Union, League and Soccer all compete with the Lions.....why would you want to introduce a second club in QLD. It would only weken the current position!

[Gary Shadforth]

What some of the posters in this place should consider is there is a
*forecast that near to a quarter of the nation's population will reside in the meteoric development growth area between Byron Bay and Hervey Bay.

Just as an example, if you are up this way have a drive around between Kingscliff and Cabarita Beach and get an eyeful of the breathtaking dwelling developments going on there - not to mention the droves from the south and west moving in there and the rest of the Coast at the rate of knots.

The AFL are well aware of what is going on in these parts and have been looking at (talks with mayor Ron Clarke) developing Cararra to stadium proportions in view of the big new stadium / complex at Robina being developed for NRL, soccer and other codes.

In ten years time or before there will be an AFL team here on the Coast.

*Source: AM program ABC Radio.

[Binxy]

not to mention the droves from the south and west moving in there and the rest of the Coast at the rate of knots.Hi! :) :thumbsu:

[Helix]

ha ha ha ha ha

Not while your butt points to the ground.

Rubgy Union, League and Soccer all compete with the Lions.....why would you want to introduce a second club in QLD. It would only weken the current position!
Get a clue. Why? Money you fool. Southport have it. The Gold Coast has it. I understand the doom and gloom from your perspective, but it is coming, like it or not. What is a weken by the way?

[Helix]

As soon as Brisbane has a few years in the doldrums the QLD fans will jump off the bandwagon. There is no need for a second QLD club
Like the Hawks? Maybe you guys can merge with the Dogs. Two many struggling clubs down in Victoria. So far, all the interstate teams are going gang busters financially.

[Helix]

not interested in a S**T fight but don't most fans on the gold coast ex vics who follow melb teams? Surely fans in southport aren't going to change their allegience from bris to a new alliance?
See Freo. Did West Coast suffer? Is Freo viable? Very similar circumstance isn't it? What you don't seem to accept is that loyalty to victorian clubs is fine, but it doesn't hurt to follow a club who plays down the road. That's how they got me (and thousands more) after all.

[Jimthegreat]

I think the rivalry between a Brisbane and a Gold Coast team would become as great as the Derby's and Showdowns.

People who live in Brisbane I dont think like the GC and vice versa....I think.

Brisbane Bears playing out of a Stadium in the Coast was a stupid idea from the start.Not sure about that. One would have 30 odd thousand the other about 2000.

[Helix]

Not sure about that. One would have 30 odd thousand the other about 2000.
Based on what? The last practice game on the Gold Coast had over 16 thousand (sell out).

[ChrisFooty]

If they made a gold coast team and played at carrarra....they would have to give away 10,000 promotional free tickets to get a crowd of 16k......

come to think of that....don't they do that at all sydney and ACT games ?

[Hawkk]

Like the Hawks? Maybe you guys can merge with the Dogs. Two many struggling clubs down in Victoria. So far, all the interstate teams are going gang busters financially.
Hawthorn recorded its 9th profit in a row..shows how much you know.

Look for an increase in sponsorship with the relocation next year. Wouldnt it be stupid to merge one team from the Western suburbs and one from the Eastern suburbs :confused:

[Hawks88bestever]

See Freo. Did West Coast suffer? Is Freo viable? Very similar circumstance isn't it? What you don't seem to accept is that loyalty to victorian clubs is fine, but it doesn't hurt to follow a club who plays down the road. That's how they got me (and thousands more) after all.
Very different circumstances - West Australia is a football state, where two teams can be viable. QLD is a rugby state where one AFL team is enough

[bloodsports]

Very different circumstances - West Australia is a football state, where two teams can be viable. QLD is a rugby state where one AFL team is enough

How wrong you are.

Gold coast will get an AFL team, and queensland is already a footy state.

Have you ever been up there ?? Almost as many people follow Aussie Rules up there now as follow League.

Get a life. You cannot stop the inevitable.

[Hawks88bestever]

How wrong you are.

Gold coast will get an AFL team, and queensland is already a footy state.

Have you ever been up there ?? Almost as many people follow Aussie Rules up there now as follow League.

Get a life. You cannot stop the inevitable.
I was merely stating my opinion on the topic. No need for insults.

[Lions43]

I think you should think it through.

Maybe you should.....

Why have the AFL given the Gold Coast City Council $1.5m to upgrade Carrara this year? Do you seriously think they are spending that money just to help get through the Commonwealth Games?

The Gold Coast is the fastest growing City in Australia and there will be a team here in the future - though probably not for another 10 years. The Titans will be a runaway success in the NRL in all the key areas - crowd support, corporate support and results on the ground. The AFL will be salivating to have a piece of that action and serious plans will start being made at the end of this decade.

[Jimthegreat]

Based on what? The last practice game on the Gold Coast had over 16 thousand (sell out).History. It doesn't lie. Failed Brissie Bears at Carrara and 2 failed RL teams. Most people already have their team, especially with the name "Brisbane" so it may as well be Qld, so it would take half a generation to get support, and that's anywhere, let alone the Gold Coast. Rememeber it's RL heartland and they can't get a team going there so it'll be hard enough getting any real support. Supporters there have just come off a triple premiership, why would they change to a probable struggling team.

[Jimthegreat]

How wrong you are.

Gold coast will get an AFL team, and queensland is already a footy state.

Have you ever been up there ?? Almost as many people follow Aussie Rules up there now as follow League.

Get a life. You cannot stop the inevitable.You have to be realistic, Qld is not a football state. AFL has developed a good market share in Qld but it is predominantly a RL state.

[Roylion]

History. It doesn't lie. Failed Brissie Bears at Carrara

I'm not sure why the Brisbane Bears keeps being brought up as an argument for not establishing a team on the Gold Coast. The circumstances of 20 years ago is completely different to the current situation. 20 years ago, there was absolutely no infrastructure for an AFL team in existance. The Brisbane Bears was started from scratch, in completely hostile territory with no training ground, a primitive stadium, absolutely no support or interest in Australian Football and few income streams. The Southport Sharks have their own training ground, own their own facilities, are debt free, have extensive income streams (including a annual turnover of at least $7 million), have extensive sposnosrship lined up if they are admitted to the AFL. The interest in Australian Rules Football is much more extensive than it was in 1987. Added to that of course is the demographics of the area have also changed extensively, with the area now the fastest growing area in Australia.


Most people already have their team, especially with the name "Brisbane" so it may as well be Qld, so it would take half a generation to get support, and that's anywhere, let alone the Gold Coast. Rememeber it's RL heartland and they can't get a team going there so it'll be hard enough getting any real support. Supporters there have just come off a triple premiership, why would they change to a probable struggling team.

Fremantle and Port Adelaide seemed to increase their support significantly when they entered the AFL, despite 'most' of the footballing public supporting the West Coast and Adelaide. I don't see why a Gold Coast team wouldn't do the same.

[Jimthegreat]

I'm not sure why the Brisbane Bears keeps being brought up as an argument for not establishing a team on the Gold Coast. The circumstances of 20 years ago is completely different to the current situation. 20 years ago, there was absolutely no infrastructure for an AFL team in existance. The Brisbane Bears was started from scratch, in completely hostile territory with no training ground, a primitive stadium, absolutely no support or interest in Australian Football and few income streams. The Southport Sharks have their own training ground, own their own facilities, are debt free, have extensive income streams (including a annual turnover of at least $7 million), have extensive sposnosrship lined up if they are admitted to the AFL. The interest in Australian Rules Football is much more extensive than it was in 1987. Added to that of course is the demographics of the area have also changed extensively, with the area now the fastest growing area in Australia.




Fremantle and Port Adelaide seemed to increase their support significantly when they entered the AFL, despite 'most' of the footballing public supporting the West Coast and Adelaide. I don't see why a Gold Coast team wouldn't do the same.Fremantle actually took a while to get crowds to their games. They were well lower than WCE for quite a long while. And that in deep in AFL heartland. People were alweady supporting the WCE and had no reason to change. Port Adelaide's different. They were always their own team and entity and hated the Crows with passion ever since the crows entered the AFL. Remember with the Gold Coast we are talking RL heartland, in a place with less passion for AFL where most would already be supporting Brisbane, the state capital , the name itself which would unify most of the state on it's own. Facts are facts the Bears failed until they moved to the Gabba, and 2 RL teams have failed there in their own heartland. Sure basketball teams have failed too. It has a tranisent population so you're not going to get stable support always from the same group of supporters. At this point it would be utterly useless having second teams in NSW and Qld. you can have all the money and infrastructure you like, bottom line is it's a RL state so you won't get the support for another team in South Qld, at least.

Enough said. History tells us that.

[Funkalicous]

you can have all the money and infrastructure you like, bottom line is it's a RL state so you won't get the support for another team in South Qld, at least.


Why do you single out South-East Queensland? ATM there's only 2 sides here. The powerhouse club of the Brisbane Lions, and the choking NRL Broncos.

And for your information, footy in SEQ is stronger than anywhere else in "NRL territory", and is the prime location for the next AFL club.

[Jimthegreat]

Why do you single out South-East Queensland? ATM there's only 2 sides here. The powerhouse club of the Brisbane Lions, and the choking NRL Broncos.

And for your information, footy in SEQ is stronger than anywhere else in "NRL territory", and is the prime location for the next AFL club.I single it out because of consistent failures with all types of teams there. The last thing you want at the moment is a second AFL team in RL heartland. Despite good crowds for the Lions and a decent market share, AFL support isn't that great in QLD yet. If you can't get a RL team to work there, then AFL has no hope.

[Roylion]

Fremantle actually took a while to get crowds to their games. They were well lower than WCE for quite a long while. And that in deep in AFL heartland. People were alweady supporting the WCE and had no reason to change.

Fremantle averaged 23,286 people to their home games in their first season in 1995, compared to West Coast's 32,245. About 9,000 different, That's reasonable considering West Coast were in their ninth season and had won a couple of premierships.

By 2003, Fremantle was averaging 30,680 to their home games compared with West Coast averaging 38,037. Roughly the same difference of 8-9,000 as there was in 1995.

Port averaged 35,703 to their home games in 1997, compared with Adelaide's 40,116.

Port Adelaide's different. They were always their own team and entity and hated the Crows with passion ever since the crows entered the AFL.

As are Southport, who already have considerable support on the Gold Coast, in their own right. I don;t expect Southport to rival Brisbane's crowds if they were to enter the competition, but there would be many people who would attend games Southport games, if they were playing in the national league. I'll bet Port Adelaide's average crowds didn't get anywhere near 35,703, while they were playing in the SANFL.

Remember with the Gold Coast we are talking RL heartland, in a place with less passion for AFL where most would already be supporting Brisbane, the state capital , the name itself which would unify most of the state on it's own. Facts are facts the Bears failed until they moved to the Gabba, and 2 RL teams have failed there in their own heartland.

Failed? The Gold Coast Seagulls may have failed, but that's because the Tweed Heads Seagulls League's club withdrew their finnancial support.

From memory the Gold Coast Chargers were doing pretty well. Weren't they the only RL team to make a profit during the Super League war? They had extremely healthy crowd numbers as well, were profitable and were only cut because the peace deal between the ARL and News Limited.

The Brisbane Bears were in an completely different situation to what the Southport Sharks are currently. It's complete nonsense to even try and compare the two situations and to suggest that the Sharks would fail purely because the Bears struggled on the Gold Coast close to 20 years ago.

Sure basketball teams have failed too. It has a tranisent population so you're not going to get stable support always from the same group of supporters.

Could you explain in a little more detail about the Gold Coast's so-called 'transient population'? I see little evidence for such a statement. What I do know is that the area is Australia's fastest growing area in terms of population. That's not necessarily 'transient'?

At this point it would be utterly useless having second teams in NSW and Qld. you can have all the money and infrastructure you like, bottom line is it's a RL state so you won't get the support for another team in South Qld, at least.

I think you're wrong. Moreover quite a few officials such as Southport's CEO and chairman also think you're wrong. They believe the support is there, if Southport were to enter the AFL.

Enough said. History tells us that. [/QUOTE]

Events of 20 years ago tell us very little about the current situation, except to marvel at just how far Australian Rules has come in that time. The demise of the Gold Coast Chargers in 1998 was not due to lack of support and finances. So that doesn't tell us much either.

[Jimthegreat]

Fremantle averaged 23,286 people to their home games in their first season in 1995, compared to West Coast's 32,245. About 9,000 different, That's reasonable considering West Coast were in their ninth season and had won a couple of premierships.

By 2003, Fremantle was averaging 30,680 to their home games compared with West Coast averaging 38,037. Roughly the same difference of 8-9,000 as there was in 1995.

Port averaged 35,703 to their home games in 1997, compared with Adelaide's 40,116.



As are Southport, who already have considerable support on the Gold Coast, in their own right. I don;t expect Southport to rival Brisbane's crowds if they were to enter the competition, but there would be many people who would attend games Southport games, if they were playing in the national league. I'll bet Port Adelaide's average crowds didn't get anywhere near 35,703, while they were playing in the SANFL.



Failed? The Gold Coast Seagulls may have failed, but that's because the Tweed Heads Seagulls League's club withdrew their finnancial support.

From memory the Gold Coast Chargers were doing pretty well. Weren't they the only RL team to make a profit during the Super League war? They had extremely healthy crowd numbers as well, were profitable and were only cut because the peace deal between the ARL and News Limited.

The Brisbane Bears were in an completely different situation to what the Southport Sharks are currently. It's complete nonsense to even try and compare the two situations and to suggest that the Sharks would fail purely because the Bears struggled on the Gold Coast close to 20 years ago.



Could you explain in a little more detail about the Gold Coast's so-called 'transient population'? I see little evidence for such a statement. What I do know is that the area is Australia's fastest growing area in terms of population. That's not necessarily 'transient'?



I think you're wrong. Moreover quite a few officials such as Southport's CEO and chairman also think you're wrong. They believe the support is there, if Southport were to enter the AFL.

Enough said. History tells us that.

Events of 20 years ago tell us very little about the current situation, except to marvel at just how far Australian Rules has come in that time. The demise of the Gold Coast Chargers in 1998 was not due to lack of support and finances. So that doesn't tell us much either.[/QUOTE]People with optimism always think everyone's wrong. I know you guys want an AFL side there, as I would too if I lived there but I can't see how it would be a viable proposition in RL territory. Problem is too that if I lived there I'd still support Carlton, so that wouldn't help to start with.

Freo, in contrast to the Gold Coast, are in the heart of AFL territory. It took them quite a while for them to get crowds to that of the WCE. Rationalise all you like the fact is no team of any description has worked on the Gold Coast, AFL, RL or basketball. "Everyone" there who actually follows AFL would probably be supporting Brisbane, triple premiers, why would they change. Would you change? I tipping not, I wouldn't be changing from a triple premiership team. It's a hard sell as you'd have to get converts from many are entrenched in RL support that support the Lions already, if anyone. Wouldn't even try to plant a new team in Qld or NSW, couldn't see where the support would come from. AFL following just isn't strong enough.

[Gary Shadforth]

Wouldn't even try to plant a new team in Qld or NSW, couldn't see where the support would come from. AFL following just isn't strong enough.What some of the posters in this place should consider is there is a *forecast that near to a quarter of the nation's population will reside in the huge development growth area between Byron Bay and Hervey Bay within the next 20 years.

Just as an example, if you are up this way have a drive around between Kingscliff and Cabarita Beach and get an eyeful of the breathtaking dwelling developments going on there - not to mention the droves from the south and west moving in there and the rest of the Coast at the rate of knots.

The AFL are well aware of what is going on in these parts and have been looking at (talks with mayor Ron Clarke) developing Cararra to stadium proportions in view of the big new stadium / complex at Robina being developed for NRL, soccer and other codes.

I live here amongst thousands of expatriate southerners many of whom are starved of AFL. Consider that combined with the fact that the Gabba is booked out most matches and travel for thousands to Brisbane from Cabarita - Kingscliff is hectic 24/7 and when one arrives at the Gabba parking is impossible. AFL is strong in this area in the sense that AFL QLD (a body functioning under the auspices of AFL Melbourne headquarters) is very active in promoting our code, especially in schools, youth clubs and groups.

I became a full member of the Brisbane Bears (my first loyalty has always will remain with the Hawks) when they were first installed at Cararra but found travelling (like many others who used to catch one of several special Gabba buses from Tweed Heads) not tenable for the reasons I have given above.

So, Jimthegreat do you live in these parts? I think you are ignorant of many crucial facts when you say AFL following just isn't strong enough (here on the Coast).

In ten years time, if not before, there will be an AFL team here on the Coast.

*Source: AM program ABC Radio.

[littleduck]

And for your information, footy in SEQ is stronger than anywhere else in "NRL territory", and is the prime location for the next AFL club.I agree.

[littleduck]

In ten years time or before there will be an AFL team here on the Coast.I don't see how the electorate would cop another $100 million dollar stadium so soon after the Robina Stadium considering the current political climate in Queensland, particularly the critical need to find an extra $billy or 2 each year to fund health.

[Jimthegreat]

What some of the posters in this place should consider is there is a *forecast that near to a quarter of the nation's population will reside in the huge development growth area between Byron Bay and Hervey Bay within the next 20 years.

Just as an example, if you are up this way have a drive around between Kingscliff and Cabarita Beach and get an eyeful of the breathtaking dwelling developments going on there - not to mention the droves from the south and west moving in there and the rest of the Coast at the rate of knots.

The AFL are well aware of what is going on in these parts and have been looking at (talks with mayor Ron Clarke) developing Cararra to stadium proportions in view of the big new stadium / complex at Robina being developed for NRL, soccer and other codes.

I live here amongst thousands of expatriate southerners many of whom are starved of AFL. Consider that combined with the fact that the Gabba is booked out most matches and travel for thousands to Brisbane from Cabarita - Kingscliff is hectic 24/7 and when one arrives at the Gabba parking is impossible. AFL is strong in this area in the sense that AFL QLD (a body functioning under the auspices of AFL Melbourne headquarters) is very active in promoting our code, especially in schools, youth clubs and groups.

I became a full member of the Brisbane Bears (my first loyalty has always will remain with the Hawks) when they were first installed at Cararra but found travelling (like many others who used to catch one of several special Gabba buses from Tweed Heads) not tenable for the reasons I have given above.

So, Jimthegreat do you live in these parts? I think you are ignorant of many crucial facts when you say AFL following just isn't strong enough (here on the Coast).

In ten years time, if not before, there will be an AFL team here on the Coast.

*Source: AM program ABC Radio.Don't give a rat's where I live I know the history of teams of all descriptions in that area, especially in RL heartland. None have worked. The Bears were an absolute failure, and that was only 10 years ago. What could have changed in that short a time? It was the greatest failure imaginable. It'd be the same for any other team. Probably more support in Qld now given the Lions success but it's not an AFL state. You're in Rugby territory. You can provide all the rationalisation you like but the result will still be the same. I know we'd all love teams there but some need to get a grip on reality. You have Brisbane close by, which is generating most of the support, quite passionate support at that. Means though there would be very little left for another team. I don't see where the supporter base is going to come from. May be different if it were Nth Qld.
Even allowing for the huge filip the Lions have given Qld, general support for the AFL is still not great when taken in an over-all context and I think deep down you all know that. Any thought otherwise is pure delusion.

Now the big question.....would any of you change the team you support? That's important if you want to generate support for a new team. Problem is that if you are staunch AFL fans though that is very unlikely. That'll make it hard getting support for a new team in RL territory. It if was more of an "AFL state" then I'd say go for it but that's way into the future. AFL has a good market share in Qld but it's certainly not ready for a secnd team, especially one so close to Brisbane. I'd try Nth Qld first, somewhere well away from Brisbane with a better possibility of generating it's own support. As much as I'd like to see it for the sake of you guys sadly success doesn't grow out of optimism alone.

[campbell]

The South East corner of Queensland from Noosa to the border is full of mexicans.
These mexicans are starved for wuality football watching.At the Gabba you see people watching the Lions, next week they turn up in Hawks or Pies jumpers.Their original team.
These people just love football.

I can tell you now, we will go to Sharks matches to watch, as its live AFL.

So will a lot of other people.

Over 4 million people live in this region, are you seriously telling me that 2 AFL teams won't prosper.

Some people on here have to wake up and smell the roses.

Melbourne has 10 teams and how many people??????

[Helix]

History. It doesn't lie. Failed Brissie Bears at Carrara and 2 failed RL teams. Most people already have their team, especially with the name "Brisbane" so it may as well be Qld, so it would take half a generation to get support, and that's anywhere, let alone the Gold Coast. Rememeber it's RL heartland and they can't get a team going there so it'll be hard enough getting any real support. Supporters there have just come off a triple premiership, why would they change to a probable struggling team.
I am not sure where some of you get the Gold Coast being RL heartland. It really isn't. Have you ever even been here? It is an AFL city, have no doubt. The Brisbane Bears didn't fail at Carrara. I admit they were not real good, but they still increased most years. Obviously the Gabba is a better home, being Brisbane and all, but I don't think failure. Two failed rugby teams? One actually, and more due to Rugby League splitting, then needing to remerge after super league. The AFL are being rightfully carefull, but it will happen.

[Jimthegreat]

I am not sure where some of you get the Gold Coast being RL heartland. It really isn't. Have you ever even been here? It is an AFL city, have no doubt. The Brisbane Bears didn't fail at Carrara. I admit they were not real good, but they still increased most years. Obviously the Gabba is a better home, being Brisbane and all, but I don't think failure. Two failed rugby teams? One actually, and more due to Rugby League splitting, then needing to remerge after super league. The AFL are being rightfully carefull, but it will happen.People can rationalise their way around anything. It's Qld, who's heartland is it, certainly not AFL heartland. It's 80km from Brisbane about as RL as you get, despite the popularity of the Lions. Hate to say it, the Bears were a huge failure there. Real huge. It was only the move to the Gabba that got them out of their sh1t or god knows what would have happened to them. They were struggling at Carrara, well and truly. Why sudddenly would it work now? Sadly it won't work out of hope, as much as I'd like it to. I'm just being realistic.

[littleduck]

I am not sure where some of you get the Gold Coast being RL heartland. It really isn't. Have you ever even been here? It is an AFL city, have no doubt. bollocks.

[Hawkk]

The South East corner of Queensland from Noosa to the border is full of mexicans.
These mexicans are starved for wuality football watching.At the Gabba you see people watching the Lions, next week they turn up in Hawks or Pies jumpers.Their original team.
These people just love football.

I can tell you now, we will go to Sharks matches to watch, as its live AFL.

So will a lot of other people.

Over 4 million people live in this region, are you seriously telling me that 2 AFL teams won't prosper.

Some people on here have to wake up and smell the roses.

Melbourne has 10 teams and how many people??????

I am one of these Mexicans and I can tell you an AFL team would work, but it cant be as some people put it "bastard team" it must be a new one. The Sharks would be suffiecent, because it already has a base to grow from.

[catters05]

I am one of these Mexicans and I can tell you an AFL team would work, but it cant be as some people put it "bastard team" it must be a new one. The Sharks would be suffiecent, because it already has a base to grow from.

A new team for sure, the AFL will not get rid of any Vic teams.

[stmookeyj]

Get a clue. Why? Money you fool. Southport have it. The Gold Coast has it. I understand the doom and gloom from your perspective, but it is coming, like it or not. What is a weken by the way?

All to the RL team. QLD will always be a league state. Look at the media coverage, look at the popularity of the sport at both junior and schoolboy level. That's what indicates real strength and frankly it's still a fair way behind.

The Southport Sharks have their own training ground, own their own facilities, are debt free, have extensive income streams (including a annual turnover of at least $7 million), have extensive sposnosrship lined up if they are admitted to the AFL.

WHERE? They would want to because they would have to increase turnover by AT LEAST $10 million if they even think about joining the big boys.

Like the Hawks? Maybe you guys can merge with the Dogs.

Well, idiotic comments like that don't really deserve response.

Based on what? The last practice game on the Gold Coast had over 16 thousand (sell out).

Only because Brisbane played. Watch next year when Hawthorn play Melbourne so we can get true answers and read the press for the inevitable ticket giveaways.

I don't see how the electorate would cop another $100 million dollar stadium so soon after the Robina Stadium considering the current political climate in Queensland, particularly the critical need to find an extra $billy or 2 each year to fund health.

Amongst other things......

[Roylion]

People with optimism always think everyone's wrong. I know you guys want an AFL side there, as I would too if I lived there but I can't see how it would be a viable proposition in RL territory. Problem is too that if I lived there I'd still support Carlton, so that wouldn't help to start with.

You might, but there are a large number of people who wouldn't. I have a number of friends and acquaintances that live on the Gold Coast that support a Victorian team, curently support and are members of the Brisbane Lions and say they would change their support to a local Gold Coast team in a heartbeat, if there was a team. The Lions know this as well...hence their opposition to a Gold Coast team.

Freo, in contrast to the Gold Coast, are in the heart of AFL territory. It took them quite a while for them to get crowds to that of the WCE.

No it didn't. They never have reached the level of WCE. They were 8,000-9,000 behind in 1995 and in 2003 they were still 8-9,000 behind WCE in average home crowds. Fremantle averaged 23,286 people to their home games in their first season in 1995, compared to West Coast's 32,245.

Rationalise all you like the fact is no team of any description has worked on the Gold Coast, AFL, RL or basketball.

The Chargers did work, as I've already described. I think those in charge of rugby league competition are now realising they made a mistake in ditching the Chargers from the competition in 1998. Hence the admission of the Gold Coast Titans for 2007.

"Everyone" there who actually follows AFL would probably be supporting Brisbane, triple premiers, why would they change.

To support their local team. Why did WCE supporters move to Fremantle when they joined. Why did Adelaide Crows supporters before the entry of the Power change to Port Adelaide when they entered the competition.

Would you change? I tipping not, I wouldn't be changing from a triple premiership team. It's a hard sell as you'd have to get converts from many are entrenched in RL support that support the Lions already, if anyone. Wouldn't even try to plant a new team in Qld or NSW, couldn't see where the support would come from. AFL following just isn't strong enough.

As I have said Paul Wyatt the CEO of Southport Sharks and Dr. Alan McKenzie, chairman of the Southport Sharks disagree. They believe there is enough support for another Queensland side already.

For example since 1999 there have been a number of media reports, about a second Queensland licence have appeared. Here's a short selection...

Coast tipped for top By Ron McDonald

Sunday, February 07, 1999

SOUTHPORT should get used to hosting AFL matches like yesterday's practice game between Brisbane and Geelong, because the Sharks are favourites to run a club in the big league within the next six years.

The word from Melbourne is that Queensland is a certainty to get another AFL club in that time, and Southport is the logical base for the new or relocated side.

While the Sharks have been a power since entering the QAFL/QSFL in 1983, their work off the ground is arguably even more impressive.

The Southport Australian Football Club boasts 40,400 members, employs 175 staff, serves 38,000 meals a week and spent $6 million of its own money on its last round of extensions at Fankhauser Reserve.

In fact, they are the fourth biggest club in the state behind the Broncos Leagues Club, Greenbank RSL and Kedron-Wavell Services Club.

''We basically funded our last extensions through our own operations we have not borrowed a cent and we don't owe anyone any money,'' said Sharks general manager of seven years Paul Wyatt.

Unlike many sporting and social clubs, which have split operations, Southport is run by the one central administration.

While the latest extensions at Fankhauser Reserve were completed last August, planning is already well underway for a new piano bar, outdoor dining area, function area to seat 1000 people, heated pool, therapeutic spa, and football gymnasium.

''There won't be too many clubs in Queensland with those sort of facilities,'' Wyatt said.

He revealed the Sharks had already applied three times to the AFL for a licence, and had not been told ''forget it'' like Tasmania. AFL chief executive Wayne Jackson has also made a personal inspection of the Sharks' facilities.

''We have spoken to a number of Melbourne clubs (about relocating) and the feelers were fairly strong, but in the last two seasons all those clubs have done reasonably well,'' Wyatt said.

A stable and passionate board with a strong business acumen has been one of the keys to Southport's amazing success both on and off the field.

Former Lions doctor Alan MacKenzie has been president for 22 years, overseeing the Sharks' transformation from a successful Gold Coast competition club to one that won all three grades in its first year in the QAFL, an Australian first.

Treasurer Gerry Carmody and vice-president Wilf Burns have been around the club for more than a decade, while benefactor Wally Fankhauser, whom the Sharks' home ground is named after, was a tremendous asset before passing away in 1995.

Mackenzie said there was still a strong core of support for Australian Rules on the Gold Coast, despite the Bears having left Carrara to Brisbane seven years ago.

''We feel that if you have a good infrastructure (like ours), the support for the costs of running a national licence is that much easier.''

and

Southport uses trial for AFL push By Ron Mcdonald
Friday, February 25, 2000

Southport, venue for tomorrow's pre-season trial between Brisbane and Melbourne, continues to position itself for the second AFL licence in Queensland.

The wealthy Gold Coast club hosted a pre-season clash last year - the first time an AFL game had been played on the Coast since the Brisbane Bears left Carrara - amid speculation that a second licence could be forthcoming within five to 10 years.

Southport general manager Paul Wyatt said today his club was ready to relocate a Melbourne club despite Brisbane officials saying the south-east corner of Queensland could not sustain two teams financially for another decade.

'We're developing our operations to create as many revenue streams as we can,' Wyatt said.

'In all honesty, we have been having talks with different clubs over a number of years.

'But it would take a serious financial crisis for someone to relocate ... the emotion involved is such a big factor.

'The only way it would work would be for a team to be able to play 10 games (at the same venue) down there (in Victoria) and 10 up here.'

and

Southport hold $5m carrot for AFL spot By Warwick Hadfield

Monday, February 14, 2000

SOUTHPORT has the weight of a $5 million war chest to push their claims to be part of the AFL as many of the Melbourne clubs struggle to remain financial.

Southport club's secretary-manager, Paul Wyatt, yesterday made it clear his club was determined to be part of the national league and would continue to tease the Melbourne clubs.

But he denied Southport was already involved in merger negotiations with Geelong, the AFL club with the largest debt. (Geelong lost $912,207 last year).

''As far as I know the local council has bailed Geelong out,'' Wyatt said yesterday.

Cats chief executive Brian Cook also denied they were having talks with Southport. ''We're not looking at anything like that,'' he said.

Southport's licensed club, which has 53,000 members, made a profit of more than $3 million last year.

It's reputed to have a $5 million war chest ready for the moment it comes into the AFL, either in its own right or through a merger.

Four or five of the struggling Melbourne clubs -- Geelong, Melbourne, Western Bulldogs, St Kilda -- put together would struggle to match those riches.

''We don't owe anything,'' Wyatt said. ''We're the fourth biggest licensed club in Queensland. Our ground on the Gold Coast has one of the best playing surfaces in the state.

''From what we hear it could be somewhere between five and 10 years before the AFL is in a position to grant us a franchise.

But it would be a lot quicker if we worked out a merger or some other partnership with an existing AFL club, one of the Melbourne clubs playing some matches here and some in Victoria.''

Wyatt said he had spoken to a number of the Melbourne clubs but declined to name them.

Last year the Kangaroos and the Western Bulldogs looked at the Southport option.

However, the Bulldogs are now committed to playing all their home games at the Colonial Stadium.

In contrast, Southport has already been told not to invest in upgrading its own ground.

''The AFL wants us to share the 'Gabba with the Lions, we know that much,'' Wyatt said.

In the meantime, he will keep sending out copies of his annual report to the AFL and to the Melbourne club, and sit by the phone and wait."

Watch for more articles on Southport's possible entry into the AFL as the matches at Cararra draw closer.

[Roylion]

Don't give a rat's where I live I know the history of teams of all descriptions in that area, especially in RL heartland. None have worked.

The Gold Coast Chargers worked very well.

The Bears were an absolute failure, and that was only 10 years ago.

The Bears struggled on the Gold Coast certainly and eventually moved to Brisbane, as they were supposed to do back in 1987-88.

What could have changed in that short a time?

Demographics of the Gold Coast and the profile and stature of Australian Rules Football in Queensland has changed remarkably since 1991, when the Bears moved to Brisbane. It's now 14-15 years since that move was made.

It'd be the same for any other team.

How on earth then does the Southport Sharks Football Club based on the Gold Coast make a $3 million profit in a year, playing in the QAFL?

Probably more support in Qld now given the Lions success but it's not an AFL state. You're in Rugby territory. You can provide all the rationalisation you like but the result will still be the same.

No, it won't. The Southport Sharks have the infrastructure already in place ready to enter the AFL. That is a very different situation to the one the Brisbane Bears faced, when they were started from scratch. The bears venture was an ill-planned, ill thoughout venture in completely hostile territory. The situation of the Southport Sharks is vastly different.

I know we'd all love teams there but some need to get a grip on reality. You have Brisbane close by, which is generating most of the support, quite passionate support at that.

Well of course they're generating most of the support...they're the only AFL side.

Means though there would be very little left for another team. I don't see where the supporter base is going to come from.

From the Gold Coast and further south. Also if a relocated side from Melbourne, about 5-6,000 paid up members there. Brisbane have that number, the Swans have close to 7,000 Victorian based members...it's reasonable to assume that a relocated side woud gain roughly the same numbers.

Even allowing for the huge filip the Lions have given Qld, general support for the AFL is still not great when taken in an over-all context and I think deep down you all know that. Any thought otherwise is pure delusion.

Disagree.

Now the big question.....would any of you change the team you support?

Yep. If I hadn't been supporting the team I currently support for very long, why wouldn't I change to support a local team. There are literally thousands of people that actively support the Brisbane Lions when their team isn't playing at the Gabba. Even the Lions acknowledge that.

That's important if you want to generate support for a new team. Problem is that if you are staunch AFL fans though that is very unlikely. That'll make it hard getting support for a new team in RL territory. It if was more of an "AFL state" then I'd say go for it but that's way into the future.

Not according to the Southport Sharks. They're ready, willing and able to join te AFL now.

AFL has a good market share in Qld but it's certainly not ready for a secnd team, especially one so close to Brisbane. I'd try Nth Qld first, somewhere well away from Brisbane with a better possibility of generating it's own support. As much as I'd like to see it for the sake of you guys sadly success doesn't grow out of optimism alone.

You'd better contact the Southporrt Sharks with your views, because it seems they don't share your opinion.