Where is Richmond on the 'Premiership Clock'?

[White Czar]

So often we hear about the 'Premiership Clock' in the modern day. Whilst a irritating term it has some merit with the age of drafting and salaray caps in full swing. For example I think its a safe bet the likes of WCE, Geelong, Saints might be a very good show for a flag over the next 1/2/3 years whilst a Hawthorn could be a good bet in the next 'generation' if you like. On the same token a Port might have missed the boat and now be in a rebuilding fase.

Studying the Richmond list, for mine, its hard to gage where we are at but more importantly where we are going. Whilst the future looks decent in terms of promising younger players, say your 21 and under are group outside the Cogs, Tuck types we seem to be really lacking any kind of 'core' age group stars - who are the players that win you flags in the 23-28 age range. The Newman, Hyde, Rodan, Hall, Krakouer of the world are at best B grade players who have not yet taken that important step.

You then look up to the old gaurd who stack up pretty against anyone. Richardson, Bowden, Johnson, Kellaway. Gaspar, Simmonds, Brown. However the likes of Kellaway, Richo, Gaspar are not getting any younger and wont be around when the Meyers and Hartigans are starting to come good. Worryingly it seems alot of those mature generation who do not seem to have too many years on the 'right' side of 30 (for a footballer ;) ) make up our spine.

While I applaud Plough for drafting recycled types who are going to make you go to the game actully thinking your side have a decent chance of winning so you can go the pub with a smile when its all said and done we finshed in no mans land with a first draft pick at 8, and another in the mid 20's. Whilst I dont agree with the Hawthorn/Saint Kilda root to success I am jealous potential the team could inject. Imagion list in 3/4 years if you addeda 5 of the best 22 kids in the land to what we already have.

Intersted to hear your thoughts.

[The Dice Man]

Just remember no team bottoming out has ever won anything, so there is no proof that is the way. We kinda bottomed out, but not quite the Hawk/Saint way.

I think we look good for the future as far as midfielders and flanker/pockets go, but its our KPP's that will tell the story and at this time its too hard to tell.

To me, Ray Hall grew in confidence by the end of 2005 and looked ready to become a steady CHB. I realise TW has Schultz earmarked for there but Razor did well I thought.

On the other hand, as Schultz matures he will be one big nasty bugger down back, but he could also be valuable down foward too.

I dont expect us to see finals in 06, and I think we are probably a good 2-3 seasons from being a serious threat, providing we have some authoritive KPPs come on.

5 o'clock.

[garrison]

The increasing trend in AFL is that interstate teams will thrive more, have more chance to win premierships, be more financially stable, and be heavily favored with 11 truly home games as a springboard into the finals.

Given that, the only Victorian teams that will threaten/win premierships will be Geelong (only non-Melbourne congested team) and Essendon/Carlton/Hawthorn/Collingwood. The gap between flags for such teams will blow out to one every 10-15 years for a single club. From the time West Coast first won till now it has been interstate dominated, increasing more since Adelaide won their first, and increasing even more since the last Victorian flag in 2000.

Port Adelaide are not over with either. Anyone predicting/expecting their demise will be in for a shock next year and the years after. They, like Adelaide, Brisbane, West Coast, Sydney, will all be finals regulars year in year out.

I think Carlton and Essendon will perform stronger next year. Collingwood will crumble a bit more till a new head coach is appointed. And Hawthorn won't threaten until a more seasoned success-proven coach takes the helm.

[Leper]

I dont expect us to see finals in 06

:eek:

Oh how could you be so pessimistic?

Don't we always expect to see finals after turning a 6-2 start (or similar) almost every year into cutting edge mediocrity?

Or were you referring to the likelihood you won't expect to see Adelaide flog West Coast in the 2006 GF because you won't be able to get a ticket?

[metallichris]

Oh how could you be so pessimistic?
Nothing wrong with the man having an opinon, Lep.

Personally, I think we will finish 6th to 12th. All we can hope for is continued improvement from our youngsters and keeping up a winning mentality to bring them up through.

[Grimmett]

So often we hear about the 'Premiership Clock' in the modern day. Whilst a irritating term it has some merit with the age of drafting and salaray caps in full swing.....

Intersted to hear your thoughts.


The 'Premiership Clock' is a theory developed by our former player who chooses to coach the Scum. As such it is not relevant to RFC. We are currently positioned at 'About Time' in the chase for a flag.

$%#@!!! Malthouse. $^%^%!!! McGuire. %&^%!!! Scum.

[Grimmett]

Seriously now.

Wallace was given an unprecedented five year contract to right the Richmond ship. I'd imagine that he would wnat to be contending for a flag come seasons four and five which would equate to 2008 and 2009. Does that mean we are at about 20 to 8? :confused:

[tigerpremiers]

Seriously now.

Wallace was given an unprecedented five year contract to right the Richmond ship. I'd imagine that he would wnat to be contending for a flag come seasons four and five which would equate to 2008 and 2009. Does that mean we are at about 20 to 8? :confused:
wallace is in a no win situation.if we dont make the 8 in 06 there will be those who will start to turn on him.remember frawley took us to a prelim final in his second year as coach .some may start to think that wallet is no better than spud.and even if we think that spud was a poor coach the fact is he got us to finals and until wallace does the same some will be restless.

[Grimmett]

......until wallace does the same some will be restless.

We are Richmond fans...we are always restless.... ;)

[1980]

wallace is in a no win situation.if we dont make the 8 in 06 there will be those who will start to turn on him.remember frawley took us to a prelim final in his second year as coach .some may start to think that wallet is no better than spud.and even if we think that spud was a poor coach the fact is he got us to finals and until wallace does the same some will be restless.

You are obviously a very recent supporter of this football club.

Frawley had full support from the supporters in his first 2 seasons. Even when things went pear shaped in his third, there were no more than isolated pockets of supporters grumbling. Even as he entered his 4th season, he still had few supporters questioning his competencies. It was at the late stages and end of his 4th season that supporters quite rightly decided enough was enough.

No-one at our club thought Frawley was a ready made coach. The board, the administration and the supporters all knew we got our 5th pick for coach, and that he needed time to grow into the job. Add to that that we didnt want to sack another coach given that we had scared off so many before we settled for Frawley.

Which is why Danny Frawley got more support than any other Richmond coach in memory right though the club.

Unlike Frawley, Wallace has a track record in coaching. He was our first pick, he was the best coach going around, and even if every other coach in the AFL was available, I'm dead sure that Miller still would have picked Wallace.

So dont go thinking let alone posting comparisons between frawley and Wallace. And given we gave so much support and sucked it up for so long for a guy that not only wasnt up to coaching, but never won anything of note when he played the game, Wallace can rely on twice as much support from us.

He's got 5 years on his contract, and he'll get 5 years of support from the fans.

[White Czar]

Unlike Frawley, Wallace has a track record in coaching. He was our first pick, he was the best coach going around, and even if every other coach in the AFL was available, I'm dead sure that Miller still would have picked Wallace.


I rate Eade as a very good coach. He was my number 1 choice.

Pretty content when Wallace was announced.

[Grimmett]

I rate Eade as a very good coach. He was my number 1 choice.

Pretty content when Wallace was announced.

I wanted the tactical awareness that Eade would have provided. Plus I'm not a big fan of the apparently mercenary nature of Wallace. So I am reserving judgement on our former high priced signing who completed 10 valuable games for the Tige's.

[Tricky_Ricky2]

id say on the clock you are at about 3. 12 is the Premeirship year

[PeaNut Crusher]

The Tigers are at 6 o'clock - halfway between mediocrity and oblivion.

Wake up peanuts, the list is not that good !

[jake]

I wanted the tactical awareness that Eade would have provided.

When did Eade's reputation for being exceptionally good tactically emerge? I'm not pointing the finger at you for mentioning this Grimmett, as it seems common knowledge amongst footy fans, but I can't remember it being mentioned much when he was at Sydney. Can he really be that much better than Wallace and co, or the average AFL clubs braintrust in this department?

David Wheadon is meant to be one of the good tacticians, but our tactics over the last 5 years havent really been revolutionary.

[True Thylacine]

Question is...is that tick a clock or a bomb?

[duckboy]

id say on the clock you are at about 3. 12 is the Premeirship year

Well, you guys just hit the snooze button on yours Ricky.

I'd say the tigers are at about 5 or 6, though the idea of a premiership clock is a bit of a w@nk.
I know a lot of people bag Wallace for his recruiting at the Dogs, but nobody bags Miller for his recruiting. Hence the reason that union is so important for us. Wallace's game plans and match day smarts with Miller's recruiting flair should compliment each other beautifully over time.
Next year, with a good run of injuries, I wouldn't be surprised to see us finish top six. If we have an ordinary run with injuries, 7th to 11th. If Richo, Browny or more than one of our top liners are down for long periods we might be bottom four. In two or three years time, i'm confident we'll be in the hunt.

[jezza]

I think our clock needs a new battery, it stopped about 25 years ago

[CoggaRules]

You are obviously a very recent supporter of this football club.

Frawley had full support from the supporters in his first 2 seasons. Even when things went pear shaped in his third, there were no more than isolated pockets of supporters grumbling. Even as he entered his 4th season, he still had few supporters questioning his competencies. It was at the late stages and end of his 4th season that supporters quite rightly decided enough was enough.

No-one at our club thought Frawley was a ready made coach. The board, the administration and the supporters all knew we got our 5th pick for coach, and that he needed time to grow into the job. Add to that that we didnt want to sack another coach given that we had scared off so many before we settled for Frawley.

Which is why Danny Frawley got more support than any other Richmond coach in memory right though the club.

Unlike Frawley, Wallace has a track record in coaching. He was our first pick, he was the best coach going around, and even if every other coach in the AFL was available, I'm dead sure that Miller still would have picked Wallace.

So dont go thinking let alone posting comparisons between frawley and Wallace. And given we gave so much support and sucked it up for so long for a guy that not only wasnt up to coaching, but never won anything of note when he played the game, Wallace can rely on twice as much support from us.

He's got 5 years on his contract, and he'll get 5 years of support from the fans.

LMAO, you just keep the pearls of wisdom flowing 1980.
First off, he might be new to the tiger army, or he might not sit around where you do, becuase dont know about your area, but the writing was on the wall very early from where we sit.
Like you stated no-one at the club thought he was a ready-made coach and they wrong werent they?
Get with the page man, they supported him because they didnt want to risk bending to supporter pressure and some how get a coach with 1% more brain cells who might have ruined everything and no Deledio. ;)

[tigerpremiers]

You are obviously a very recent supporter of this football club.

Frawley had full support from the supporters in his first 2 seasons. Even when things went pear shaped in his third, there were no more than isolated pockets of supporters grumbling. Even as he entered his 4th season, he still had few supporters questioning his competencies. It was at the late stages and end of his 4th season that supporters quite rightly decided enough was enough.

No-one at our club thought Frawley was a ready made coach. The board, the administration and the supporters all knew we got our 5th pick for coach, and that he needed time to grow into the job. Add to that that we didnt want to sack another coach given that we had scared off so many before we settled for Frawley.

Which is why Danny Frawley got more support than any other Richmond coach in memory right though the club.

Unlike Frawley, Wallace has a track record in coaching. He was our first pick, he was the best coach going around, and even if every other coach in the AFL was available, I'm dead sure that Miller still would have picked Wallace.

So dont go thinking let alone posting comparisons between frawley and Wallace. And given we gave so much support and sucked it up for so long for a guy that not only wasnt up to coaching, but never won anything of note when he played the game, Wallace can rely on twice as much support from us.

He's got 5 years on his contract, and he'll get 5 years of support from the fans.
there are already some on another tiger site who are questioning whether we are any better off and that was my point exactly.i have been a tiger fan since birth.i can tell you supporters lost faith in frawley much earlier than you think.

[Grimmett]

When did Eade's reputation for being exceptionally good tactically emerge? I'm not pointing the finger at you for mentioning this Grimmett, as it seems common knowledge amongst footy fans, but I can't remember it being mentioned much when he was at Sydney. Can he really be that much better than Wallace and co, or the average AFL clubs braintrust in this department?

David Wheadon is meant to be one of the good tacticians, but our tactics over the last 5 years havent really been revolutionary.

Two examples.
The 'flood' as it is called was developed by Rodney Eade to take advantage of the short length of the SCG. Pushing all his players into the defensive frustrated an unprepared opposition and when Sydney won possession of the ball they were able to penetrate their own attacking 50 with one long clearing kick from the defensive 50. Clearly a successful tactic that has been widely emulated ever since.
In 2005 Eade was able to manufacture a functioning forward line from three midgets and a laughing clown named Johnson. He built a game plan that maximised the abilities of the players on his roster rather than tryin gto use a style that didn't suit his players strengths.
Tactically astute I'd say but perhaps I'm just following the masses on this one.

Wheadon taught Lloyd to throw grass in the air as part of developing a set routine before shooting for goal. Effective, very effective, I don't dispute his thinking on that as routine becomes habit becomes consistent performance. And since then he has moved to Collingwood and Richmond. And?

I understand you weren't singling me out for my comment about Eade's tactical abilities. I'm just stating why I preferred him to Wallace. The reality is I don't like Wallace and haven't since he played for us in the 80's so I would have preferred Eade regardless.

[LVAK]

I'm not expecting much from 2006 , still lots of kids to flush through and see who bobs back up( sorry about that image).
It's about the stars aligning and I think it's 2008/9 for us.
We'll have the experienced 30-31 year olds like Johnno, Brown and Bowden
Then there's the Cogs, Tuck ,Newman crew who will be in their mid-late twenties and at the peak of their career. There's quite a few in this category, maybe no outright superstars but remember they will be at their peak.
Then all the kids over the last 2-3 years that will have found their feet in AFL footy by then. There should be some class in this group too.
I don't know what time that is on the Premiership clock but I think there is the Premiership Horoscope that needs to be taken into account as well.

[rioli brownlow]

Question is...is that tick a clock or a bomb?



they don't register

[Bentleigh]

I'm not expecting much from 2006 , still lots of kids to flush through and see who bobs back up( sorry about that image).
It's about the stars aligning and I think it's 2008/9 for us.
We'll have the experienced 30-31 year olds like Johnno, Brown and Bowden
Then there's the Cogs, Tuck ,Newman crew who will be in their mid-late twenties and at the peak of their career. There's quite a few in this category, maybe no outright superstars but remember they will be at their peak.
Then all the kids over the last 2-3 years that will have found their feet in AFL footy by then. There should be some class in this group too.
I don't know what time that is on the Premiership clock but I think there is the Premiership Horoscope that needs to be taken into account as well.

I remember Wallace talking about having a crack about 2008/9. The Bowden/Johnson/Brown generation.

Sadly, he then went on to say if we miss the boat with those crop of players he could realisiticly next see us going close "when Deledio is about 25".