View Full Version : The unlucky ones?
footyman
26 Nov 2005, 10:30
Quick look (correct me if I am wrong) but those who missed and were considered good chances:
Luke McEntee
Alan Toovey
Tim Looby
Tom Rischbeith
Daniel Dzufer
Matt Thomas
Jace Bode
Others like Shaun Grigg, Matt White, Ryan Jackson, James Wall, Angus Graham also miss out.
Who was most unlucky?
blumfieldisback
26 Nov 2005, 10:32
Ryan Jackson would have to be pretty unlucky they would all be chances for the rookie draft though.
According to Mat Burgan, Luke McEntee was very unlucky. Wouldn't mind Calton having a look at either Toovey or Looby in the rookie draft.
macca69
26 Nov 2005, 10:36
Who was most unlucky?
I'd say Markovic wasmost unlucky, if he didn't do his ankle he would have gone top 30 IMO.
bomberbluey
26 Nov 2005, 10:36
Can't believe Matty Thomas and Tom Rischbeith missed out... Must be guaranteed rookie spots surely!
todd grima at one stage was a top 20 pick
mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 11:09
Suprised Rischbeith slipped through.
crazy_big_al
26 Nov 2005, 11:12
they will all go in the rookie draft
Cerpin Taxt
26 Nov 2005, 12:25
Toovey would've been drafted if he was 1cm taller.
Poor Toovey, definetly the unlucky one there, will be rookie listed , but that is only if he enters the rookie draft.
Quick look (correct me if I am wrong) but those who missed and were considered good chances:
Luke McEntee
Alan Toovey
Tim Looby
Tom Rischbeith
Daniel Dzufer
Matt Thomas
Jace Bode
Others like Shaun Grigg, Matt White, Ryan Jackson, James Wall, Angus Graham also miss out.
Who was most unlucky?
All unlucky but will give the clubs some very good talent to pick from for the rookie draft. From a Carlton supporters point of view I hope we take two midfielders with skill. Jackson, Bode, Dzufer and Rischbieth would be handy. I kile the 2 back-flankers in Toovey and Looby. Wall could be anything in the future, very mobile for 198cm and play as a key forward, key defender or in the ruck. He will be a very good player and if a club is willing to give him some time to develop then they will reap the rewards. Essendon most likely at this stage, maybe with Hawthorn also keen.
:::buddy38:::
28 Nov 2005, 09:45
Richmond had like 40 players training yesterday and PR
Pafloyul
28 Nov 2005, 10:50
I would not be thinking positions with rookies, it's not like as if they are even going to be able to make it onto a senior list but even so - I say go for broke!
coasting
28 Nov 2005, 11:00
Poor Toovey, definetly the unlucky one there, will be rookie listed , but that is only if he enters the rookie draft.
If you are in the national draft then you are automatically in the rookie draft if you are old enough.
Killer_Lions
28 Nov 2005, 17:40
Dzufer, Kannis. Grima, White very unlucky.
The number of big kids from Qld this year makes me suspect the water supply up there.
Here is as good a place to ask as anywhere-- I know you have to be 18 to be rookie drafted. The question, though, is: 18 as of when? If the answer is 'at the date of the rookie draft' then Julian Kannis misses out by a whole 2 days. Geez, you'd be feeling stiff. I would love Sydney to rookie a guy of his description as well.
Ryan Jackson with out a doubt
tigers1au
29 Nov 2005, 03:30
Daniel Nicholls, small but can play.
todd grima at one stage was a top 20 pick
This was one person I was surprised to see miss. I would have thought Richmond would have looked at him as Richos replacement.
:::buddy38:::
29 Nov 2005, 12:11
This was one person I was surprised to see miss. I would have thought Richmond would have looked at him as Richos replacement.
I would rather his brother Nathan
McGuane, Crook (falcons) - very unlucky with the year they had. Fingers crossed for rookies
In terms of overall talent and ready to play- Jackson and White
In terms of long term potential James wall and McEntee.
how stiff were the calder Cannons? Wall, White, Graham, Neaves, Bowes and Sam Robertson all had legitimate draft chances. This was the year to play division 2 and come from Queensland!
Brisbane and Sydney get preferential rookie picks on locals, correct?
If so, who would qualify under this, how many picks do they get, and does this apply to any other interstate club?
Lingsface
30 Nov 2005, 13:07
toovey couldnt of done anymore to be drafted bad luck.
Also i think that someone has ********ed up not drafting Brennan Mills have to be considered next year.
Would this be the last hurrah for Callinan & Podsialdilly (sp?)?
Are they any chance to be ever picked up now? Personally, if Collingwood grabbed Campo, I'd like to give one of those boys a chance at Essendon.
Bueller
30 Nov 2005, 16:10
Anyone know anything of Greg Bentley and Adam Kirkwood?
Hunt_Express
30 Nov 2005, 16:52
Dzufer, Grima, rischbieth, james wall, luke mcentee, angus graham, jace bode, ed lower, tom redden all unlucky but someone has to miss out!
Flying Joey
30 Nov 2005, 19:15
delta goodrems bro.... very unlucky, see him out at swanies training though:D
mcentee, rishbieth, graham, elliott, looby all extremely unlucky... i think most will get a rookie contract.. maybe graham needs another good year to be picked up, ddnt do a whole heap last year but come on in leaps and bounds this year.. was always going to be a massive punt to take him on one year.. can play though
Killer_Lions
4 Dec 2005, 08:31
The number of big kids from Qld this year makes me suspect the water supply up there.
Here is as good a place to ask as anywhere-- I know you have to be 18 to be rookie drafted. The question, though, is: 18 as of when? If the answer is 'at the date of the rookie draft' then Julian Kannis misses out by a whole 2 days. Geez, you'd be feeling stiff. I would love Sydney to rookie a guy of his description as well.
Cut off is 31st December 2005. You have to be 18 or over by 31st December 2005. I'm not sure how far back it goes. I think until 1983 birthdates. Yeah Kannis is also orignally from Sydney
Tigerbob
4 Dec 2005, 12:50
Grima is nothing like Richardson, for one he is alot shorter, and doesnt play body on body, he is a leading forward like nathan brown was. Angus Graham is alot more like the style of Richardson, Extremely Tall, Well built, athletic and a big leap
Have a feeling he's ours in the PSD....
Cut off is 31st December 2005. You have to be 18 or over by 31st December 2005. I'm not sure how far back it goes. I think until 1983 birthdates. Yeah Kannis is also orignally from SydneyThen if the footydraft.com birthdate (15 December 1987) is correct, he's eligible.
Presumably for 'local rookie' purposes it's where you were living at age 16, or something like that, that counts; I think he is a Blions eligible rookie, not a Sydney one. (Although Sydney could certainly draft him with its regular rookie picks if Brisbane doesn't put dibs on.)
It certainly isn't 'who you currently play for', b/c Adam Prior and Sam Rowe play/played for the Murray Bushrangers in Vic, but (on my understanding) are both eligible as NSW rookies, as they hail from the non-Mexican side of the Murray.
In answer to Ants' question, I'm pretty sure the rules are:
1. Both Blions and Sydney may pick 3 local rookies each year in addition to their usual rookie draft entitlement.
2. Nominated before the rookie draft (so no-one else can draft 'em), a la father-son, but actually picked with allocated picks at the tail end of the draft.
3. Not counted in maximum 44 player (inc veterans and rookies) calculation, i.e. these 2 clubs can have a maximum of 47 players on their books. (In reality, this has the effect that the local rookies have just 1 year to prove themselves, b/c if they're not moved to the senior list or the 'non-local rookie' list in that time, then the club can't take its 3 picks the next year.)
4. Usual rookie rules apply re ability to actually get picked to play a game while on rookie list etcetera.
No idea whether their payments are counted in the salary cap.
Killer_Lions
5 Dec 2005, 19:21
Then if the footydraft.com birthdate (15 December 1987) is correct, he's eligible.
Presumably for 'local rookie' purposes it's where you were living at age 16, or something like that, that counts; I think he is a Blions eligible rookie, not a Sydney one. (Although Sydney could certainly draft him with its regular rookie picks if Brisbane doesn't put dibs on.)
It certainly isn't 'who you currently play for', b/c Adam Prior and Sam Rowe play/played for the Murray Bushrangers in Vic, but (on my understanding) are both eligible as NSW rookies, as they hail from the non-Mexican side of the Murray.
In answer to Ants' question, I'm pretty sure the rules are:
1. Both Blions and Sydney may pick 3 local rookies each year in addition to their usual rookie draft entitlement.
2. Nominated before the rookie draft (so no-one else can draft 'em), a la father-son, but actually picked with allocated picks at the tail end of the draft.
3. Not counted in maximum 44 player (inc veterans and rookies) calculation, i.e. these 2 clubs can have a maximum of 47 players on their books. (In reality, this has the effect that the local rookies have just 1 year to prove themselves, b/c if they're not moved to the senior list or the 'non-local rookie' list in that time, then the club can't take its 3 picks the next year.)
4. Usual rookie rules apply re ability to actually get picked to play a game while on rookie list etcetera.
No idea whether their payments are counted in the salary cap.
Hey yeah thanks mate! heaps of good information! I think Kannis was a local Southport Sharks player at age 16 because I saw his name in the Qld squad for that year.
It doesn't matter who you were playing for, it matters where you live. There were a couple of Southport guys who were in danger of going to Sydney as priority rookies had they not been picked up in the draft. Gilbert and Mills I am pretty sure.
The Flying Belgian
6 Dec 2005, 12:57
It doesn't matter who you were playing for, it matters where you live. There were a couple of Southport guys who were in danger of going to Sydney as priority rookies had they not been picked up in the draft. Gilbert and Mills I am pretty sure.
Not that it matters now, but I wonder is there a time frame on how long you have to live somewhere to qulaify as living there. Mills was living in Brisbane this year. Not sure about Gilbert, whether he'd moved north of the border when playing with Southport.
I saw where SimonH wrote about where they were living at age 16 - Bit stiff on someone like Gilbert or anyone else who'd be classed as over-aged.
Anyone got a link where these sorts of rules and regs are spelt out?
Not that it matters now, but I wonder is there a time frame on how long you have to live somewhere to qulaify as living there. Mills was living in Brisbane this year. Not sure about Gilbert, whether he'd moved north of the border when playing with Southport.
I saw where SimonH wrote about where they were living at age 16 - Bit stiff on someone like Gilbert or anyone else who'd be classed as over-aged.
Anyone got a link where these sorts of rules and regs are spelt out?
They're spelt out in the NAB Draft booklet, but not sure about on the net. IIRC it is something like 2 or 3 years living in QLD or NSW/ACT to qualify as a local rookie.
Lingsface
6 Dec 2005, 21:27
matt seal would be one of the unluckiest blokes goin around was close to making ais in 16s was very close to all australian this year and played 10+ league games (most of anyone in age group) and still wasnt picked up.
Todd Grima - welcome to the AFC.
Has spent 2 weeks training with the Crows.
General Havelock
6 Dec 2005, 23:07
Todd Grima - welcome to the AFC.
Has spent 2 weeks training with the Crows.
getsy! you know why im here dont you.;)
oh i love you all the same. (in a bigfooty friendly way)