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13 - Shannon Hurn
29 - Ben McKinley
34 - Matthew Spangaher
West Coast would be very happy with that, we rated Hurn as a top 5 and he slipped to us, I told you he wouldnt get past West Coast, McKinley is a great replacement for Phil, lead the TAC cup goalscoring, Spangaher is a good defensive prospect.
We overlooked Swallow which is kind of surprising, but in the end so did Fremantle, so we mustnt see much in him either. With the picks we had I think we did the best out of any club there, considering we were thinking bout taking McKinley with pick 13 and he stayed to pick 29...
Alex_au
26 Nov 2005, 11:23
Thank you for Grant Birchall ! Have fun with Rioli Junior :D
pinkus maximus
26 Nov 2005, 11:23
Why do you think Hurn slipped?
Black JuJu
26 Nov 2005, 11:23
I haven't followed this years pool, are these lads going to bring me joy or heart ache in years to come?
Are they long term prospects or ready made?
Quite unusual picks by WCE. Not really their 'type' of players at all.
Hurn would faint trying to walk across Subi let alone play on it. The Eagles tend to like guys who have a lot of run in their legs and Hurn will have to do a lot to get to their running standards.
McKinlay I suppose fits with Matera retiring. They have had success with Lewis and Heady in the past as well so probably like the idea of a mid-sized forward but I really thought they were trying to get away from that set-up.
Spangher is probably good cover for CHB but with Gaspar, Staker, Hunter, Glass and Jones showing a bit and being fairly young you would have thought they had other priorities. Best available I suppose.
TheGeneral
26 Nov 2005, 11:31
Hurn would faint trying to walk across Subi let alone play on it. The Eagles tend to like guys who have a lot of run in their legs and Hurn will have to do a lot to get to their running standards.
I was going to say that because he isn't exactly built for speed and the Subiaco ground.But you'll get away with saying it as an observation not a troll.:cool:
Where will he play with their huge stocks of mids?
Quite unusual picks by WCE. Not really their 'type' of players at all.
Hurn would faint trying to walk across Subi let alone play on it. The Eagles tend to like guys who have a lot of run in their legs and Hurn will have to do a lot to get to their running standards.
McKinlay I suppose fits with Matera retiring. They have had success with Lewis and Heady in the past as well so probably like the idea of a mid-sized forward but I really thought they were trying to get away from that set-up.
Spangher is probably good cover for CHB but with Gaspar, Staker, Hunter, Glass and Jones showing a bit and being fairly young you would have thought they had other priorities. Best available I suppose.
McKinley is a good sort for us, it saves us from moving players around, every team has to have a small forward Weaver and he will be it. Hurn was a good pickup, not our type of player but we rated him as a top 5 pick and got him at pick 13, he played in two SANFL grand finals, no other draftee has the credentials he has got, If all else fails we can trade him to the Western Warriors, god knows they need the help :D, Hurn slipped, god knows why, Swallow slipped too, its what happens, everyone in the top 10 went for KPPs pretty much and left the midfielders like Hurn and Pfeiffer go.
Spangher is more of a rebound defender something we need to get, he is definetly a project player, he wont be playing footy for a few years.
theorangeapple
26 Nov 2005, 11:35
I was going to say that because he isn't exactly built for speed and the Subiaco ground.But you'll get away with saying it as an observation not a troll.:cool:
Where will he play with their huge stocks of mids?
He will play off half back, between he and Beau Waters we have got 2 monster tanks at our disposal.
His speed and endurance will improve when he loses abit of weight and recovers from OP. He also hasnt had an AFL pre season, his fitness can ony improve.
When Matera retired I wanted McKinley. I really happy we got him. He should be able to play reasonably early and play the leading role like phil did.
LukeHodge15
26 Nov 2005, 11:35
I was going to say that because he isn't exactly built for speed and the Subiaco ground.But you'll get away with saying it as an observation not a troll.:cool:
Where will he play with their huge stocks of mids?
will be slotted straight on2 the half back flank in his first year u would think. booming kick off the half back flank-will be ur quarterback type players for the first couple of years imo.
79Vintage
26 Nov 2005, 11:35
Personally, I think the Eagles have done really well with their first two picks. And the Eagles are a good suit for Spangher, their professionalism will get consistency out of him. Hurn and McKinley will be first year players, Spangher a possibility.
I was going to say that because he isn't exactly built for speed and the Subiaco ground.But you'll get away with saying it as an observation not a troll.:cool:
Where will he play with their huge stocks of mids?
A Half forward Flank, if he is lucky, no midfielder we draft wud have a chance at playing in our midfield for atleast 2-3 years. He isnt built for speed, neither is Embley but what they both are is excellent marks, something West Coast look for these days, all 3 players we drafted are probably 3 of the best marks in the draft for there height.
Hurn is a great player, and a steal at 13, anyone who thinks he isnt is clearly a tool, or an Eagle-hater
inferno66
26 Nov 2005, 11:37
I was going to say that because he isn't exactly built for speed and the Subiaco ground.
Does he have endurance ?
Does he have endurance ?
Not tons yet, but as was stated he is recovering from OP, by the time West Coast are done flogging him like a mule he will. You can build endurance, you cant build that booming kick.
vinnie_vegas69
26 Nov 2005, 11:40
Swallow is the Ben Eckerman of this year - quick midfielder that started out around the top 10, fell to the 20s and ended up very late.
As for West Coast's draft, they did very well with the picks they had, although curiously picked up three players who all fell past where they were projected. Perhaps there may be a reason for that...
TheGeneral
26 Nov 2005, 11:41
He will play off half back, between he and Beau Waters we have got 2 monster tanks at our disposal.
I was just thinking of Waters after I hit send because he's also built, but Hurn's talent was obviously too good to overlook for a KPP like Bower.
His speed and endurance will improve when he loses abit of weight and recovers from OP. He also hasnt had an AFL pre season, his fitness can ony improve.
Still a risk but one you could afford to take with your list.
Would the Eagles have gone tall if they had pick four?
Swallow is the Ben Eckerman of this year - quick midfielder that started out around the top 10, fell to the 20s and ended up very late.
As for West Coast's draft, they did very well with the picks they had, although curiously picked up three players who all fell past where they were projected. Perhaps there may be a reason for that...
Id say Hurn fell because Collingwood wanted speed, Richmond wanted to take a punt and everyone else was more interested in KPPs or home grown talent.
Waite30
26 Nov 2005, 11:46
All from interstate. will be interesting to see how long they last especially if they dont get much of a game over the next few seasons.
theorangeapple
26 Nov 2005, 11:46
Would the Eagles have gone tall if they had pick four?
We are very strict on the best available policy. I dont think any club follows that doctrine more than we do. But yeh, with the Blues pick, I wouldnt be suprised if we did go tall at 4.
sinepari
26 Nov 2005, 11:51
TOA, who is in your avator?
TheGeneral
26 Nov 2005, 11:52
Poor man's Buckley!
Eagle87
26 Nov 2005, 11:52
All from interstate. will be interesting to see how long they last especially if they dont get much of a game over the next few seasons.
Fair comment. But,we have a pretty good track record with non-WA boys. If they don't play "over the next FEW seasons" then that likely means that we will be very good (and they couldnt get a game) or they will be average players (and couldnt get a game). When you are good (successful) people tend to stay. If they are average players, who cares?
Cheers.
Poor man's Buckley!
Jealousy strikes again, from a certain Blue to a Eagle pretty fast hey.
magpies42
26 Nov 2005, 11:55
Why do you think Hurn slipped?
you guys can afford to have him playing hbf and you can deal with his perceived lack of pace.
with pick 13 you wont be to fussed if doesnt improve to much
TheGeneral
26 Nov 2005, 11:57
Jealousy strikes again, from a certain Blue to a Eagle pretty fast hey.
:D
:waitsforParrottosaywhytheydidn'ttakeBower:
lol cypher, GOLD!!!
Hurns OP would have had a huge influence I feel, the entire top 10 with the exception of Dowler are all free of serious injuries.
linga_is_no1
26 Nov 2005, 11:59
Suprise,suprise west coast's steal another victrorian. What happened to the mentaility that vics are evil
theorangeapple
26 Nov 2005, 12:02
TOA, who is in your avator?
You get one guess :p
mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 12:05
WCE have done terrific in this draft. A backline general in Hurn, a Small Forward to pressure Sampi and a versatile KP.
Monocle
26 Nov 2005, 12:28
You get one guess :p
TOA Iwould guess thats Shannon Hurn in his Centeral Districts jumper.:thumbsu:
McKinley is a good sort for us, it saves us from moving players around, every team has to have a small forward Weaver and he will be it.
McKinley is no small forward. He is a leading player like Heady or Medhurst. Like Medhurst he has next to no ability on the deck. Matera could be lethal if the ball hit the deck as well as play the leading role. McKinley is a genuine FF in a 184cm package.
theorangeapple
26 Nov 2005, 14:31
McKinley is no small forward. He is a leading player like Heady or Medhurst. Like Medhurst he has next to no ability on the deck. Matera could be lethal if the ball hit the deck as well as play the leading role. McKinley is a genuine FF in a 184cm package.
In the past 3yrs matera has played as a 160-odd cm FF. He was getting 80% of his goals from leads. No crumbing at all.
NICK THE PIE MAN
26 Nov 2005, 14:31
McKinely didn't look too happy about going to WCE!
sinepari
26 Nov 2005, 14:33
McKinely didn't look too happy about going to WCE!
Really? I didn't see it. My stream kept stuffing up.
McKinely didn't look too happy about going to WCE!
Neither were Chris Judd or Adam Selwood, they got over it though :D.
NICK THE PIE MAN
26 Nov 2005, 14:54
Really? I didn't see it. My stream kept stuffing up.
I was just watching the draft special on channel 10 and they showed the reaction at his house with all his family and friends with him.
As they read his name out for the Eagles, he looked like Des Headland when he was taken by the Lions in 98. All his family let out a collective "ohhh" in a disappointed way and the kid himself just looked stony faced and then started crying when he hugged his Mum.
There were about 20 people in the living room and no one said a thing, just looked down at the floor. It was quite awkward actually, almost like a wake.
He'll get over it though, but must be a big thing for a 17-year-old kid from the Victorian country to be told he is going across the country to a place where he probably doesn't know a soul.
In the past 3yrs matera has played as a 160-odd cm FF. He was getting 80% of his goals from leads. No crumbing at all.
I suppose I am thinking of his quick recovery to convert his own spills after leads into goalscoring chances. He wasn't roving much to others but his ground level skills were still important.
I am more making the point that I don't really see Sampi and McKinley competing for a place, and I don't really see McKinley adding an extra dimension to the forward line. He is another leading target man. Not a goalsneak, crumber or ground level guy.
theorangeapple
26 Nov 2005, 15:02
I am more making the point that I don't really see Sampi and McKinley competing for a place, and I don't really see McKinley adding an extra dimension to the forward line. He is another leading target man. Not a goalsneak, crumber or ground level guy.
Weaver, anyone adds an extra dimension to our forward line :p
theorangeapple
26 Nov 2005, 15:05
I was just watching the draft special on channel 10 and they showed the reaction at his house with all his family and friends with him.
As they read his name out for the Eagles, he looked like Des Headland when he was taken by the Lions in 98. All his family let out a collective "ohhh" in a disappointed way and the kid himself just looked stony faced and then started crying when he hugged his Mum.
There were about 20 people in the living room and no one said a thing, just looked down at the floor. It was quite awkward actually, almost like a wake.
He'll get over it though, but must be a big thing for a 17-year-old kid from the Victorian country to be told he is going across the country to a place where he probably doesn't know a soul.
Yeh I havent seen that but I did hear about it.
Suprising because
1) Generally, most family members are happy that the bloke simply got drafted. While he is moving away, he is living a dream of many many kids.
2) We were always keen and he mentioned on a news clip during the week that we were one of the clubs interested. It shouldnt have come as a massive suprise.
He'll get over it though, but must be a big thing for a 17-year-old kid from the Victorian country to be told he is going across the country to a place where he probably doesn't know a soul.
McKinlay is studying law at a Melbourne Uni. So packing up for him might be a little more awkward than for a kid who has just finished year 12 and has a pretty clean slate with what he can do.
NICK THE PIE MAN
26 Nov 2005, 15:07
Yeh I havent seen that but I did hear about it.
Suprising because
1) Generally, most family members are happy that the bloke simply got drafted. While he is moving away, he is living a dream of many many kids.
2) We were always keen and he mentioned on a news clip during the week that we were one of the clubs interested. It shouldnt have come as a massive suprise.
Yep agreed.
It's a shame for the kids a little I guess, but that's the name of the draft.
They know the deal.
weagles_fan
26 Nov 2005, 15:33
Is McKinley that mad Essendon supporter?Or was atleast anyway :p
hawkeye23
26 Nov 2005, 15:47
All from interstate. will be interesting to see how long they last especially if they dont get much of a game over the next few seasons.
Generally speaking, we do OK in holding onto interstaters. It must be the Twigley factor! ;) :p :thumbsu:
theorangeapple
26 Nov 2005, 15:48
Is McKinley that mad Essendon supporter?Or was atleast anyway :p
Yep thats him.
On him studying law, pleanty of blokes transfer degrees after being drafted.
He can come join me at UWA, I might give him some of my precious notes :o
hawkeye23
26 Nov 2005, 15:48
Suprise,suprise west coast's steal another victrorian. What happened to the mentaility that vics are evil
Not all Vics are evil.... just you!:p
hawkeye23
26 Nov 2005, 15:50
He'll get over it though, but must be a big thing for a 17-year-old kid from the Victorian country to be told he is going across the country to a place where he probably doesn't know a soul.
It IS a big transition to make, but WCE are really good at making sure the boys settle in and are welcomed by all and sundry. If he's prepared to put in the hard yards, he will be repaid in spades.
raffrox
26 Nov 2005, 15:56
In the past 3yrs matera has played as a 160-odd cm FF. He was getting 80% of his goals from leads. No crumbing at all.
Sorry but that is a major stretch of the truth. Matera was highly skilled at making a contest and getting a goal out of the spilt ball.
btw, on reputation and popular opinion WC did very well in the draft. We'll all have to wait to see how it really pans out.
David_02
28 Nov 2005, 10:25
Weaver, Y dont u like Ben?
IM sure he can play at ground level, what games have u seen him play?
theorangeapple
28 Nov 2005, 10:58
Sorry but that is a major stretch of the truth. Matera was highly skilled at making a contest and getting a goal out of the spilt ball.
But he rarely got goals out of a pure crumbing role. He was either marking it or gathering a bouncing ball or getting the ball and playing for a free kick. I think Sampi plays more of a pure crumbing role where he would stand facing our goals and get the spills off the pack and take a snap. Phil rarely did that.
Its kind of hard to crumb a goal when your always marking the thing, but thats beside the point anyway. Weaver is purely a troll, so talking to him is like talking to a parrot.
Anyway McKinley is exactly what we need I think, at the big Subi ground hes gonna have alot of room to lead, McKinley can easily play in the same forward line as Sampi/Waters/Nicoski/whoever becomes our crumber. Play McKinley on one picket play a crumber on the other, it aint rocket science, a medium sized forward who can take a contested grab is the exact thing we dont have.
Anyway, i do Law at Murdoch, there seems to be quite a few people doing Law at EFH so im sure we will all give him a helping hand wherever he goes :D.
Debaser
28 Nov 2005, 13:49
a medium sized forward who can take a contested grab is the exact thing we dont have.
Right, one of the biggest problems with our forward line has been the lack of someone capable of taking contested marks.