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mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 11:44
3 - Xavier Ellis. Outside mid/defender. Provides us with a highly talented bottom ageish youngster. Will play school footy largely in 06, but might be able to play a few VFL or AFL games. Great pick.
6 - Beau Dowler. Bonafide Full Forward rather than a ruckman-cum-foward or similar. Once he recovers, he'll fill our FF spot freeing up Mark Williams.
14 - Grant Birchall. Tall utility than can play anywhere. Reminds me somewhat of Goddard. Has a bit of an X-Factor about him. Good endurance and won the Medal in Div 2.
18 - Max Bailey. Fills a need of a developing ruckman. Took him at 18 as he probably would have gone at 21. Long term prospect but has some good wraps.
22 - Beau Muston. Love this pick. All the talk about his early season form has been terrific and our medical staff is highly rated and we'll have the facilities at Waverley to help him out. Could be anything.
38 - Travis Tuck. Another skinny mid which will be long term.
I'm stoked with all of it.
White Czar
26 Nov 2005, 11:46
Did very well.
Future is bright.
sinepari
26 Nov 2005, 11:48
Yeah pretty good outcome.
Aside from Dowler, who will obviously be a very handy addition at FF, you should be pumped with getting Ellis and Muston. Both will take time, but that's not a bad thing. Your midfield, whilst young, is doing fine at the moment and you're not despo for them.
Birchall will be a fine player, but once again will need a few years.
Nightwolf
26 Nov 2005, 11:49
Rapt...Especially with Burchall at 14....
Dowler, Franklin, Roughy and Williams = Best forward line in the AFL in 2-3 years
TheGeneral
26 Nov 2005, 11:49
Terrific draft for the Hawks but who is Bailey?
I don't recall seeing him mentioned in anyone's phantom drafts that high.
At 205 cms and only 85 kgs at 19 years of age he may take a long time to fill out and develop.
Sylvia Saint
26 Nov 2005, 11:51
Xavier Ellis: The next Fiora?
Someone had to say it. ;)
mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 11:52
Terrific draft for the Hawks but who is Bailey?
I don't recall seeing him mentioned in anyone's phantom drafts that high.
At 205 cms and only 85 kgs at 19 years of age he may take a long time to fill out and develop.
Burgan had him at 37, but said he could easily go to Collingwood at 21.
dirk pitt
26 Nov 2005, 11:53
Hawks can be happy, but realistically it was going to be hard for the hawks to do badly out of 5 picks in the first 22. Interesting that no club was willing to bet on Muston's knee in their first 3 picks, but I reckon the Blues might have snaffled him at 36 if you hadn't have taken him at 22. Gee they umed and arred about it for long enough. I wonder who their other option was ...
Xavier Ellis: The next judd?
Someone had to say it. :D
Main Man
26 Nov 2005, 12:07
By the sound of him Muston could have been the next Judd... Interesting to see how he comes up after his reconstructions but i do like the sound of him...
coasting
26 Nov 2005, 12:11
Great draft for the future but there isn't much there that will help them in 2006.
tiger of old
26 Nov 2005, 12:12
Great result for the Hawks.Picking up Ellis is a massive Bonus along with Dowler.
Roughie
26 Nov 2005, 12:16
I am happy with our picks, unfortunatly i dont think we will see any of these kids play till next season (besides Birchall). I am wrapped with Ellis coming to us we just need to lock him in the weight room
Alex_au
26 Nov 2005, 12:18
I can't believe we passed and let Austin Lucy slip to Essendon with the very next pick at 66!
All Australian fullback at the carnival!
Theres alot of underaged players there, ones who wont do much in there first year, definetly getting ready for a 2006 tank. Birchall is a odd one, I was happy we didnt get him with pick 13 cos I think he still has a few queries about him and he wont play much AFL in his first year or 2.
After 2006 tho they will be fightin for a top 8 spot you would think and hope.
bigbird
26 Nov 2005, 12:22
I am rapt with who we drafted today, exciting times head - :2007 and on, but I read a thread earlier, and totally agreed with it: Austin lucy, touted as a fullback went at pick 66, we passed on 65, we also need a fullback, so that decision is a bit strange as we have no obvious replacement for hay, some may say roughy, but wouldn't you rather him up forward?
We should have taken Lucy, delisted robbie campbell ( injury prone ) to make way for Guera in psd?
Lockyer24
26 Nov 2005, 12:22
Hawks would have to be happy, seems they got who they wanted
Muston at the low price of their 5th pick sounds like a good gamble
Hawthorn had the best draft for mine.Not unexpected considering how many they had in the top 22.
The didn't waste a pick though which important.Club building draft for them.Must admit I'm a little envious.Ellis,Birchal and Muston have alot of upside.
Wish they'd left Dowler for us .c'est la vie
mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 12:28
I can't believe we passed and let Austin Lucy slip to Essendon with the very next pick at 66!
All Australian fullback at the carnival!
But he played on division 2 full forwards. And he was average in the Allies vs TAC cup team.
Roughie
26 Nov 2005, 12:30
we also need a fullback, so that decision is a bit strange as we have no obvious replacement for hay, some may say roughy, but wouldn't you rather him up forward?
I thought the selection of Birchall (who is a tall midfielder/defender) could be the replacment of hay?
79Vintage
26 Nov 2005, 12:30
Ellis
Dowler
Birchall
All very skilful but all have significant question marks re toughness/hard ball winning ability.
Good shot Hensby.:)
mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 12:33
I thought the selection of Birchall (who is a tall midfielder/defender) could be the replacment of hay?
Wouldn't think so. He's definitely a player that we could mould into what we want him to be, but I doubt he'll be a FB. More a dashing wingman.
tiger of old
26 Nov 2005, 12:33
Hawthorn had the best draft for mine.Not unexpected considering how many they had in the top 22.
The didn't waste a pick though which important.Club building draft for them.Must admit I'm a little envious.Ellis,Birchal and Muston have alot of upside.
Wish they'd left Dowler for us .c'est la vie
The positive to come out of this Evo from a Tiger perspective is the baton has been past on from the Tiger-Hawks[Tambling-Franklin Debate] to the Pies-Hawks[Thomas-Ellis debate] :D
How many of those will play this year, Ellis wont, Dowler might at the end of the year, Birchall wont, Muston wont. Bailey wont play much next year either as he is still growing (even thugh he is 19 he still has probably 10cm to add)
With the huge talent in 2006 draft pool, most people has to look at that and see there planning for 2006 draft already.
Nightwolf
26 Nov 2005, 12:34
Ellis
Dowler
Birchall
All very skilful but all have significant question marks re toughness/hard ball winning ability.
Good shot Hensby.:)
Our midfeild is full of hard nuts and hard ball winning ability, we need these type of players...
How many of those will play this year, Ellis wont, Dowler might at the end of the year, Birchall wont, Muston wont. Bailey wont play much next year either as he is still growing (even thugh he is 19 he still has probably 10cm to add)
With the huge talent in 2006 draft pool, most people has to look at that and see there planning for 2006 draft already.
i was wondering how long it would take for a moron to post in here.
Well done Hawks. You must have been rapt when Ellis was still available at #3, and then to pick up Dowler at #6. Future looks very bright.
i was wondering how long it would take for a moron to post in here.
Whats wrong about that, Ellis wants to concentrate on school, Dowler and Muston are coming back from serious injuries, Birchall is underaged and still a small frame, Bailey is still growing but may play a larger role then all the others.
All good and talented players but none of them will have much impact next year.
yeah, but the underlying theme of your post is "hawthorn are trying for draft picks in 2006".
WorthTheWaite
26 Nov 2005, 13:00
You guys easily had the best draft considering your picks.. bah...
Birchall is the best player to come of Tasmanian in Years.
You are incredibly lucky to get him at 14.
All very skilful but all have significant question marks re toughness/hard ball winning ability.
I am with you Vintage. The Hawks might have taken their last team bonding trek on the Kokoda Trail but their next one will be to have to take their Tin Men along the yellow brick road to Oz.
Type of player they needed though. I would guess though that the Hawks brainstrust are feeling a little dirty having to take all these guys who just aren't Hawthorn types.
Birchall is the best player to come of Tasmanian in Years.
You are incredibly lucky to get him at 14.
Second coming of Danny Jacobs. A handy 3rd defender as long as you don't want him to do any defending.
mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 13:29
Put him on the wing, Weav. ;)
blumfieldisback
26 Nov 2005, 13:37
Well done Hawks, only time will tell but dowler and ellis will be great additions i elive. You have great array of forwards and midfielders but I think u still have holes in defence. Most premiership sides have a great back 6. Thanks for lucy.
79Vintage
26 Nov 2005, 13:44
take their Tin Men along the yellow brick road to Oz.
Ooh that's harsh Weaver, but your most classic remark ever...:p :thumbsu:
Pharaoh
26 Nov 2005, 13:44
Well done Hawks, only time will tell but dowler and ellis will be great additions i elive. You have great array of forwards and midfielders but I think u still have holes in defence. Most premiership sides have a great back 6. Thanks for lucy.
Thanks - we'll finish off the backline next year. If Brisbane didn't pick up Lucy with pick 56 then they either (i) didn't rate him or (ii) were hoping to get him as a rookie.
How many of those will play this year, Ellis wont, Dowler might at the end of the year, Birchall wont, Muston wont. Bailey wont play much next year either as he is still growing (even thugh he is 19 he still has probably 10cm to add)
With the huge talent in 2006 draft pool, most people has to look at that and see there planning for 2006 draft already.
Given that the 2005 season concluded a couple of months ago, I can safely say that none of them will play this year. ;) :p
moistie
26 Nov 2005, 13:52
Massively Big Kevved. What an absolute corker of a draft day. And Weaver, don't forget we've got Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Osborne, Brown, Roughead and Croad who don't mind the rough stuff. Every player doesn't have to be a complete hard nut.
Massively Big Kevved. What an absolute corker of a draft day. And Weaver, don't forget we've got Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Osborne, Brown, Roughead and Croad who don't mind the rough stuff. Every player doesn't have to be a complete hard nut.
That is exactly what I said. Recruited the players you had to but probably felt a bit uncomfortable having to do so.
Anyway Moistie I have been suggesting for ages that Hawthorn had enough grunt and needed to stop recruting the guys with the biggest butts and have some run. Hawks fans kept telling me off for that suggestion. Now you recruit a groups of forward of the ball receivers and I still have it wrong :p
moistie
26 Nov 2005, 14:50
That is exactly what I said. Recruited the players you had to but probably felt a bit uncomfortable having to do so.
Anyway Moistie I have been suggesting for ages that Hawthorn had enough grunt and needed to stop recruting the guys with the biggest butts and have some run. Hawks fans kept telling me off for that suggestion. Now you recruit a groups of forward of the ball receivers and I still have it wrong :p:D Nope, I don't disagree with you. Apologies, I have a case of BDPS (BigFooty defensive posting syndrome). It's good to see we're now getting the quick, skilled outside players to complement our in and under strength, which is why I can't wipe the smile off my face.
dipper86
26 Nov 2005, 15:51
Second coming of Danny Jacobs. A handy 3rd defender as long as you don't want him to do any defending.
Thats if does play as a 3rd defender, he is quick agile and has a reasonable left foot, smells like a wingman to me.
Beckers
26 Nov 2005, 16:56
Bailey wont play much next year either as he is still growing (even thugh he is 19 he still has probably 10cm to add)
10cm to add? Isn't he already 205cm? Who have we drafted, Andre the Giant?
Pessimistic
26 Nov 2005, 17:08
Second coming of Danny Jacobs. A handy 3rd defender as long as you don't want him to do any defending.
Excepth he gave Lloyd a pasting last year - isn't he supposed to be the best forward ?
Perhaps you don't really need full backs any more - ask sydney !
Crow-mosone
26 Nov 2005, 20:21
Given the pre-draft hype. it would seem they did very, very well.
but that's a notroiously poor guide in the long term.
CyberKev
26 Nov 2005, 21:15
All good and talented players but none of them will have much impact next year.
Most new draftees have little genuine impact in the first season.
The objective should always be to draft players who offer the likelihood of reinforcing your structure for a decade+, not merely to fill gaps for a season.
Still, you have got me salivating at the prospect of the 216cm ruckman we'll be taking into the 2007 season :D
That is exactly what I said. Recruited the players you had to but probably felt a bit uncomfortable having to do so.
Anyway Moistie I have been suggesting for ages that Hawthorn had enough grunt and needed to stop recruting the guys with the biggest butts and have some run. Hawks fans kept telling me off for that suggestion. Now you recruit a groups of forward of the ball receivers and I still have it wrong :p
Never had an argument from me, the game has gone soft (has been that way for years) I may not like it but it's the way of the world these days so our club had to adjust, they may be un-hawthorn like compared to the old days but if we need them to survive in the modern pace driven softness of AFL footy then we have to take them; shame it's taken us this long to realise... though the Connelly led Freo freo are now further behind and he directly recruited and brought our midfield to a standstill so thats one bonus.
Xavier Ellis: The next judd?
Someone had to say it. :D
Surely you mean the next Deledio
Atleast they didnt pick up Lance Franklin.....oh wait, they made that mistake last year, much improved effort, cudnt of got much worse, Franklin - pick 5 what were they thinking
dipper86
26 Nov 2005, 22:28
Atleast they didnt pick up Lance Franklin.....oh wait, they made that mistake last year, much improved effort, cudnt of got much worse, Franklin - pick 5 what were they thinking
And what agreat mistake it was.
Franklin > West coast 's KPP
:)
blumfieldisback
26 Nov 2005, 22:38
Excepth he gave Lloyd a pasting last year - isn't he supposed to be the best forward ?
Perhaps you don't really need full backs any more - ask sydney !
He finally plays a good game for you guys and your already claiming him a champion. We had Anthony Daniher do a few jobs on dunstall but I would have had Dunstall over Daniher any day and the same goes for Lloyd over Jacobs.
Consistency is the mark of a good player not flash in the pan material like Jacobs, bolton and henneman.
blumfieldisback
26 Nov 2005, 22:42
Surely you mean the next Deledio
what? no way he moves like Del Santo he just looks similar to power. Deledio?where did u pull that from.
maybe he's the next anthony rock
Crow-mosone
27 Nov 2005, 01:59
Atleast they didnt pick up Lance Franklin.....oh wait, they made that mistake last year, much improved effort, cudnt of got much worse, Franklin - pick 5 what were they thinking
I think they thought that Franklin is at least twice the player of anyone in the weagles forward line.
mattyc2422
27 Nov 2005, 11:56
Atleast they didnt pick up Lance Franklin.....oh wait, they made that mistake last year, much improved effort, cudnt of got much worse, Franklin - pick 5 what were they thinking
20 odd goals from 20 games. :thumbsu:
3 - Xavier Ellis. Outside mid/defender. Provides us with a highly talented bottom ageish youngster. Will play school footy largely in 06, but might be able to play a few VFL or AFL games. Great pick.
6 - Beau Dowler. Bonafide Full Forward rather than a ruckman-cum-foward or similar. Once he recovers, he'll fill our FF spot freeing up Mark Williams.
14 - Grant Birchall. Tall utility than can play anywhere. Reminds me somewhat of Goddard. Has a bit of an X-Factor about him. Good endurance and won the Medal in Div 2.
18 - Max Bailey. Fills a need of a developing ruckman. Took him at 18 as he probably would have gone at 21. Long term prospect but has some good wraps.
22 - Beau Muston. Love this pick. All the talk about his early season form has been terrific and our medical staff is highly rated and we'll have the facilities at Waverley to help him out. Could be anything.
38 - Travis Tuck. Another skinny mid which will be long term.
I'm stoked with all of it.
Ellis - Had your choice of best KP in Kennedy or Ellis. Ellis could be anything (the pick of the draft?), but as has been mentioned on this thread, will need to bulk up. If he doesn't, comparisons with Fiora will abound, and question marks over not picking Kennedy here will come.
Dowler - Long term strategy in play here. With enough picks, could afford to take the risk. Leading forward, only question would be psychological impact of his injury. Will self preservation linger in his thoughts when going for a pack mark? No concern over him fully recovering physically, he will be worth the wait. The accident probably put him back 12 months or so, seeing as that I wouldn't think he would be on any serious weights program until he gets his core strength back. Still, probably a safe pick at 6. Would have liked him to slip through to 8.
Birchall - Haven't really seen this guy play but reading reviews plays as a tall HBF-Wingman, like a young Goddard. May need to find himself a position, like an older Goddard. Again, Hawks could take a risk on a utility, which other clubs couldn't. As most clubs had only 1 first round pick, picking KP or mids was the safest priority for them.
Bailey - Picked above where many rated him, but as Richmond showed with Oakley-Nicolls, if he is going to get picked up before your next pick, you gotta take him. With Collingwood eying him off, I think this was the case. Supposed to be ranked in the top 2 ruckmen this year, and the Hawks are crying out for someone to take the mantle of Spida in a couple of years time. Solid strategy here. Doesn't say much for Robert Campbell though.
Birchall and Bailey were the result of Hay and Lonie trades. Interesting to see how these two players will pan out.
Muston - Another risk here, but if it pays off, the Hawks will hit the jackpot. Will impact his pace and mobility, but touted as a top 5 pick before he did his knee. If he doesn't live up to potential, probably no big loss.
Tuck - Long term prospect. Didn't play in the U18 champs and didn't make TAC team of the year. Hard to see him rated higher than 38 in the draft. Hawks had to take him here, seeing Shane's success at Richmond. Once again, could afford to do so with so many early picks.
Ellis and Tuck will need to bulk up.
Dowler and Muston to recover from serious injuries.
Bailey as a project ruckman.
Birchall may be the only one ready to go.
Overall, a long, long term strategy from this draft for the Hawks that may well pay off in spades.
I don't think they can be judged on these picks until 2009-2010 but on paper, they look good.
Hawk Dork
27 Nov 2005, 15:08
Massively Big Kevved. What an absolute corker of a draft day. And Weaver, don't forget we've got Hodge, Mitchell, Bateman, Osborne, Brown, Roughead and Croad who don't mind the rough stuff. Every player doesn't have to be a complete hard nut.
Dont forget "The Chief",he has fondness for the rough stuff.