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Marc Murphy was always going to be a Blue – a huge gap between him and the rest. The surprise was the Pies overlooking Ellis, which caught the Hawks by surprise, which let the best KP forward in the draft, and arguably the 2nd best draft pick, Kennedy, fall to the Blues. A lucky break. The Blues recruiting staff must be absolutely wrapped. :)
Funkalicous
26 Nov 2005, 13:00
The Hawks didn't stumble buddy. They were just as fortunate as we were.
WorthTheWaite
26 Nov 2005, 13:02
Haha parrot, shut up, I'm happy with our picks and I think Hawthorn should be absolutely thrilled too..
bigbird
26 Nov 2005, 13:11
The hawks need silky skilled players like ellis, just as much as carlton need kpp, also remember the hawks did well with roughy and franklin last year, so we could afford to over look kennedy and take dowler, which I think is a fairly good score.:thumbsu:
Funkalicous
26 Nov 2005, 13:14
The hawks need silky skilled players like ellis, just as much as carlton need kpp, also remember the hawks did well with roughy and franklin last year, so we could afford to over look kennedy and take dowler, which I think is a fairly good score.:thumbsu:
We know. Hawthorn did very well.
Pharaoh
26 Nov 2005, 13:16
From a Hawks perspective, I'm absolutely thrilled. Good luck with Kennedy but I'm very happy with local boy Dowler.
mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 13:17
There is not that much difference between the few KP blokes.
Funkalicous
26 Nov 2005, 13:20
There is not that much difference between the few KP blokes.
Perhaps not with how they're rated, but their styles vary quite a bit. Kennedy is the power, crash n bash style tall that we desperately need. Hence his value is high on our list.
I have no doubt that if we had picks 1 and 2 we would've finished up with the same players.
celtic_pride
26 Nov 2005, 13:22
Hawthorn were the big winners of this draft trading period, imagine getting those quality kids at the expense of an overrated dud, Jon Hay. Collingwood I'm not sure about though.
The Shag
26 Nov 2005, 14:15
parrot, no offence....but get a grip! Hawthorn did the best in the draft by far, probably because they had 5 picks in the top 25 (or whatever it was) and the other clubs were having just as much trouble as BigFooty's members did of deciding who is better than who.
Hawthorn, Essendon and Weagles did the best in this draft, there is daylight then maybe Carlton.
Nightwolf
26 Nov 2005, 14:20
Dowler > Kennedy;)
fishbowl
26 Nov 2005, 14:21
I am happy for Carlton, I am happy we picked up Ellis. Collingwood didn't just stumble they tripped over.
Hawthorn, Essendon and Weagles did the best in this draft, there is daylight then maybe Carlton.
huh??
theorangeapple
26 Nov 2005, 14:22
Everyone was saying that the Tigers out smarted the Hawks this time last year. I was one of them.
However, a year on, I think the hawks have come out on top. Maybe it was more out of luck than design but it proves you cannot judge this early.
Kennedy isnt the ready made type he has been made out to be. He still needs alot of sculpting.
Nightwolf
26 Nov 2005, 14:22
huh??
Dont worry, hes the worst poster on bigfooty now that Bentleigh has disappeared....
Dowler > Kennedy;)
Considering Kennedy said Dowler is a better player, you are spot on for a change.
vinnie_vegas69
26 Nov 2005, 14:27
Why is cool for Hawthorn to get skilled players like they need, and for Carlton to get KPs like they need, but not for Collingwood to get actual midfielders like they need?
Puzzling at best.
jrussell
26 Nov 2005, 14:31
Kennedy > Dowler
Murphy > Ellis
Bower > Birchall
Edwards > Bailey
Have a nice day!
philhawk
26 Nov 2005, 14:34
And during all this Collingwood remains forgotten.
Watch out for Pendlebury and Thomas next year I say ...
JeffDunne
26 Nov 2005, 14:34
I have no idea if Collingwood have made the right choice (who does), but I do like Thomas and I do like to see a club with the balls to not go with the recruiting concessus view (which more often than not is wrong).
Hopefully for them he'll rewards their faith in spades.
philhawk
26 Nov 2005, 14:35
Kennedy > Dowler
Murphy > Ellis
Bower > Birchall
Edwards > Bailey
Have a nice day!
How about
Birchall > Edwards
Dowler > Bower
doofdoof
26 Nov 2005, 14:45
And during all this Collingwood remains forgotten.
Watch out for Pendlebury and Thomas next year I say ...
:thumbsu:
Buster the hawk
26 Nov 2005, 14:54
And during all this Collingwood remains forgotten.
Watch out for Pendlebury and Thomas next year I say ...Tend to agree ,Thomas was born to play AFL and play for a long time ,there's not much else to do in Drouin other than play footy ,this guy has got a huge heart ,he'll be a gun no worries & as for Scotty ,it's great to see a local Sale lad go so high ,he has a great work ethic and knows what it takes to do well at an elite level in any sport ,represented Australia in basketball at U/20 level when only 16 himself and during that same year although not regularly playing football was best afield in Catholic College Sale's HS sheild GF win.Collingwood did O.K no worries about that but i'm still more than happy with the Hawks' pick-ups.Ellis was a huge bonus.
jrussell
26 Nov 2005, 15:46
How about
Birchall > Edwards
Dowler > Bower
We still win:D
gandaal
26 Nov 2005, 16:07
Kennedy isnt the ready made type he has been made out to be. He still needs alot of sculpting.
I'm glad to hear it. I don't trust ready made players, they're upside is usually limited. Jason Cloke and Lance Whitnall are two good examples of ready made players who burst onto the scene with varying levels of success and then hit a plateau.
It's one of the reasons I personally have a big question mark over Travis Cloke who was more or less ready made.
Of course then you have players like Cooney who was more or less ready made and is just improving all the time.
vinnie_vegas69
26 Nov 2005, 16:48
It's one of the reasons I personally have a big question mark over Travis Cloke who was more or less ready made.
Of course then you have players like Cooney who was more or less ready made and is just improving all the time.
Travis Cloke is nowhere near ready made. He wasn't even supposed to play senior footy this year.
He's still got a long way to go in terms of getting physically stronger.
Pessimistic
26 Nov 2005, 17:00
Of the bottom three (or even bottom 5) the pies seem to be the best equipped to bounce back into contention.
Like last year, Carlton (Richmond) had first pick and would have gone as conservative as they could. Collingwood (Hawthorn) was then in the box seat to do some bluffing but Hawthorn (Bulldogs) had to snap up what they could.
Hawks have taken a longer term vew (not much choice really) but from a very makeshift forward line soon we might have:
Roughead, Dowler, Franklin, Williams plus a combination of/from:
A resting ruckman, Miller, Crawford, Bateman, Brown etc
Of the bottom three (or even bottom 5) the pies seem to be the best equipped to bounce back into contention.
I'd put Collingwood and Essendon in a similar situation....both could play finals next year (less than 50% chance though) but would be a strong chance in 2007. Carlton and Hawthorn are probably a year or two behind that but that doesn't mean they are less chance of winning a flag in the next 6 or so years.
Statistician
26 Nov 2005, 17:07
Parrot you are a tool. Thomas could end up the best player in this draft. And Dowler, Clark, Ryder etc couuld end up better than Kennedy. Wait a few years and then judge the Pies recruiting.
mattyc2422
26 Nov 2005, 17:11
Hawks have taken a longer term vew (not much choice really) but from a very makeshift forward line soon we might have:
Roughead, Dowler, Franklin, Williams plus a combination of/from:
A resting ruckman, Miller, Crawford, Bateman, Brown etc
Hopefully Boyle too.
Baby Blue
26 Nov 2005, 17:22
Hawthorn, Essendon and Weagles did the best in this draft, there is daylight then maybe Carlton.\
Are you drunk or just a bit loopy?
KnaveyBlue
26 Nov 2005, 17:54
Hawthorn, Essendon and Weagles did the best in this draft, there is daylight then maybe Carlton.
Way to make a stupid thread worse.
vinnie_vegas69
26 Nov 2005, 18:16
Way to make a stupid thread worse.
I think it's more a case that Carlton just didn't make any mistakes with their drafting. They took all of their players in just about the right area. It's not really an "exciting" or "sexy" draft, just a very, very solid one.
coasting
26 Nov 2005, 18:20
I agree with Vinnie. I think Carlton took the safe approach, which is probably what they needed considering their position. I thought Kennedy was only the 3rd best of the East Freo talls but he was probably the safest pick of the 3. At the very least he will be a solid CHB.
Lockyer24
26 Nov 2005, 18:25
The best middie and best tall in the draft is fair compensation for finishing last and having the worst AFL list seen in many many years parrie :)
parrott, i know whos list i would rather between the blues and hawthorn, hawthorn may have lost hay but they excelled in the draft.
The Old Dark Navy's
26 Nov 2005, 20:45
Parrot, you should have just let everyone soak up a very productive draft and take stock. I realise it was a subtle thread rather than a critical one but I honestly believe the Hawks did every bit as well as us and possibly better considering they didn't have the same picks. I also agree that Essendon did well and Richmond was pretty solid. The Eagles did the best of all when you weigh picks up with results. Of course we are only judging by concensus and the results long term WILL be different. One of the top 6 will be an average player at best IMO, a couple very solid, a couple long term players and one will be a star. No guarantees on which one that is ... only hopes.
Blue Boyz
26 Nov 2005, 21:16
Marc Murphy was always going to be a Blue – a huge gap between him and the rest. The surprise was the Pies overlooking Ellis, which caught the Hawks by surprise, which let the best KP forward in the draft, and arguably the 2nd best draft pick, Kennedy, fall to the Blues. A lucky break. The Blues recruiting staff must be absolutely wrapped. :)
When will some people recognise that for intents and purposes the draft is a lottery and in reality you don't know if your club is a winner or loser until at least 2 years from now, so all this talk about how this year's PSD has been a success or failure for a particular club is a waste of breath.
For example for Carlton, Bower and Edwards might be stars and Murphy and Kennedy duds, who knows as there are not set rules. IMHO you recruit the best and just hope for the best, that is all you can do.
The proof of the pudding is definitely in the eating.
OneEyedHawk
27 Nov 2005, 00:22
I don't think there is all that much between the top KPP's, but I can't pretend that Kennedy wasn't my preferred option. Murphy and Kennedy (arguably the best mid and the best tall) are pretty hard to top IMO. The Hawks with their sheer volume of early picks, possibly took the honours overall, but Carlton's first 2 picks landed them some exceptional talent.
I doubt if either team would change a thing.