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Stanton=Star
27 Nov 2005, 12:58
Can ppl give me all the info u have on him & also what do u make of him?
LukeHodge15
27 Nov 2005, 13:05
u have scored one little gem imo.
bottom aged ruckman with huge scope 4 improvement.
still a little shattered we didnt pick him up.:(
mattyc2422
27 Nov 2005, 13:13
u have scored one little gem imo.
bottom aged ruckman with huge scope 4 improvement.
still a little shattered we didnt pick him up.:(
I'm not really. No doubt he'll be a quality player, but I think Dowler fits our structure more as a leading big bodied FF.
Ryder is a Sheedy special.
LukeHodge15
27 Nov 2005, 13:17
I'm not really. No doubt he'll be a quality player, but I think Dowler fits our structure more as a leading big bodied FF.
Ryder is a Sheedy special.
im happy with dowler seeing he the best key contested marking forward in the draft but i would rather ryder than ellis.
just think picks inside the top 10 should be used 4 talls and game breakers
From what I saw at East Freo - Huge Leap and excellent rucking abilities and skills and can get around the ground. Has X-factor and can turn a game by himself and IMO could be a chance to win a Brownlow one day.
coasting
27 Nov 2005, 13:41
4 or 5 clubs had him rated #1.
LukeHodge15
27 Nov 2005, 13:42
4 or 5 clubs had him rated #1.
is that fact or summation?
for me he could be anything, especially if he grows a couple more cm's.
The Shag
27 Nov 2005, 14:40
he's a great bottom aged player with plenty of growth and potential left in him....i just cant stand sheedy and his little comments....
mcphee_is_a_gun
27 Nov 2005, 15:21
are there any replays of his matches on the net?
Stanton=Star
27 Nov 2005, 16:28
Hmmm he seems like his goin to be a heck of a player
inferno66
27 Nov 2005, 17:00
i just cant stand sheedy and his little comments....
What did sheedy exactly say about Ryder?
Statistician
27 Nov 2005, 17:09
At 196cm he better have an exceptional leap or hope he can grow a few more cm's.
douggie the don
27 Nov 2005, 17:18
From what I saw at East Freo - Huge Leap and excellent rucking abilities and skills and can get around the ground. Has X-factor and can turn a game by himself and IMO could be a chance to win a Brownlow one day.
That's good to hear a comment like that from someone who's actually seen him play. cheers mate:thumbsu:
He is 196cm but he is also one of the youngest players in the draft, Essendon definately had him ranked #1 and was over the moon when he slipped through to #7
Stanton=Star
27 Nov 2005, 17:45
Ryder is no longer 196cm he has grown a bit
philhawk
27 Nov 2005, 17:55
Ryder is no longer 196cm he has grown a bit
He was 196 at draft camp after being 194 at the beginning of the year , he isnt growing that much mate ...
TheGeneral
27 Nov 2005, 18:07
That's good to hear a comment like that from someone who's actually seen him play. cheers mate:thumbsu:
He is 196cm but he is also one of the youngest players in the draft, Essendon definately had him ranked #1 and was over the moon when he slipped through to #7
Every club rates their picks as the best player in the draft and I'd be happy with Ryder if we drafted him.But Carlton would have picked him if he was the best player available and we overlooked him twice.
Every club rates their picks as the best player in the draft and I'd be happy with Ryder if we drafted him.But Carlton would have picked him if he was the best player available and we overlooked him twice.
Same could goes Carlton , you say if he was the best in the draft you would have picked him . So basicly you are saying that only Carlton know who is the best player in the draft:p
He was 196 at draft camp after being 194 at the beginning of the year , he isnt growing that much mate ...
He is with us now , he has probably grown 3cm since yesterday;)
Statistician
27 Nov 2005, 18:16
Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn all didn't rate him as a top 6 pick.
TheGeneral
27 Nov 2005, 18:30
Same could goes Carlton , you say if he was the best in the draft you would have picked him . So basicly you are saying that only Carlton know who is the best player in the draft:p
Yes, no one knows as much as Wayne.:cool:
We don't need a floating ruckmen and it will be interesting to see how he fits in with Laycock, Hille, Cartledge and the great Aaron Henneman.
coasting
27 Nov 2005, 18:31
Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn all didn't rate him as a top 6 pick.
Not true. One of those didn't take him because they felt he would go home after 2 years.
TheGeneral
27 Nov 2005, 18:34
Even better!:D :thumbsu:
We don't need a floating ruckmen and it will be interesting to see how he fits in with Laycock, Hille, Cartledge and the great Aaron Henneman.
Only two of those four will be on our list in two years...although ive been predicting henno's demise for 6 years and he's still there.
Hille to ruck with ryder and laycock to spell him when not up forward. Brings back memories of the dons in the early to mid eighties when we played 3 ruckman on the ground at the one time(Madden, Merrett and salmon)
mattyc2422
27 Nov 2005, 18:54
Not true. One of those didn't take him because they felt he would go home after 2 years.
Would that be Hawthorn given we took a Local KP?
If anyone was going to groom a kid of his nature, it would be Sheedy.
Not true. One of those didn't take him because they felt he would go home after 2 years.
About the same time as Judd wants to come back;) :p
dave_27
27 Nov 2005, 20:41
About the same time as Judd wants to come back;) :p
lol, was going to say the same thing.
Though wasnt it Kepler Bradley who is supposed to be going back home to West Coast in a few years time for Judd?
blumfieldisback
27 Nov 2005, 20:57
Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn all didn't rate him as a top 6 pick.
pfft collingwood drafted midfielders only, the hawks need a full forward to alleviate williams lack of height and carlton took a ready to go no. 1 midfielder.
Ryder is bottom aged is still growing, laycock grew about 6cm's after being drafted, and will add class to every essendon goal to goal line.
From full back Fletcher
chb Ryder, Mcphee
Ruck Laycock/hille
chf Bradley with Lucas
FF Lloyd, Hird
Name a more talented goal to goal line with 6ft plus tall players. aerial domination at telstra dome.
dave_27
27 Nov 2005, 21:06
pfft collingwood drafted midfielders only, the hawks need a full forward to alleviate williams lack of height and carlton took a ready to go no. 1 midfielder.
Ryder is bottom aged is still growing, laycock grew about 6cm's after being drafted, and will add class to every essendon goal to goal line.
From full back Fletcher
chb Ryder, Mcphee
Ruck Laycock/hille
chf Bradley with Lucas
FF Lloyd, Hird
I would swap bradley and ryder around atm.
TheGeneral
27 Nov 2005, 22:31
pfft collingwood drafted midfielders only, the hawks need a full forward to alleviate williams lack of height and carlton took a ready to go no. 1 midfielder.
Ryder is bottom aged is still growing, laycock grew about 6cm's after being drafted, and will add class to every essendon goal to goal line.
From full back Fletcher
chb Ryder, Mcphee
Ruck Laycock/hille
chf Bradley with Lucas
FF Lloyd, Hird
Name a more talented goal to goal line with 6ft plus tall players. aerial domination at telstra dome.
Riewoldt, Hamill, Kosi, Maguire, Hudghton, Penny (when fit), Fisher and Watts.
And they play at Collo Dome!
theorangeapple
27 Nov 2005, 22:35
He is going to be an interesting one to follow.
The only question mark is over his AFL position. Nobody knows if he can play KP yet.
I wouldnt be surprised to see Ryder thrown in the midfield by Sheeds at the beginning of his career to surprise a few people. Ryder will always have some impact at AFL level, safer option then Mitch Clark cos he will stay at the club throughout his career and is a better ruckman, Carlton overlooked him why, Im still baffled by that, he suited there needs perfectly.
Im still hoping one day Essendon will have the balls to play Bradley primarly of a wing as he did in his WAFL career, itd cause a ton of problems, especially when he drifts down to defence.
TheGeneral
27 Nov 2005, 22:43
I wouldnt be surprised to see Ryder thrown in the midfield by Sheeds at the beginning of his career to surprise a few people. Ryder will always have some impact at AFL level, safer option then Mitch Clark cos he will stay at the club throughout his career and is a better ruckman, Carlton overlooked him why, Im still baffled by that, he suited there needs perfectly.
Carlton didn't need another undersized floating ruckmen even though he's a great talent.And Kennedy definitely suits our needs, is a workhorse who busts a gut and suits Pagan's out of date gameplan .;)
Dont know where this bust the guts comes from, a man with shoulder problems wont be doing much gut busting in the future.
Essendon rated Ryder at no 1, that is going a bit overboard, if they rated him at no 1 they clearly have no clue what they are doing.
coasting
27 Nov 2005, 22:48
Ryder will always have some impact at AFL level, safer option then Mitch Clark cos he will stay at the club throughout his career
At least one club disagrees with you.
coasting
27 Nov 2005, 22:49
Essendon rated Ryder at no 1, that is going a bit overboard, if they rated him at no 1 they clearly have no clue what they are doing.
4 or 5 clubs had him rated #1.
TheHeatleyStand
27 Nov 2005, 23:02
4 or 5 clubs had him rated #1.
name them,...
TheGeneral
27 Nov 2005, 23:05
Dont know where this bust the guts comes from, a man with shoulder problems wont be doing much gut busting in the future.
Essendon rated Ryder at no 1, that is going a bit overboard, if they rated him at no 1 they clearly have no clue what they are doing.
Well he won't be doing it for your side anyway and you'd give your right arm to get to him the WCE.
Statistician
27 Nov 2005, 23:27
blumfieldisback[/B]]pfft collingwood drafted midfielders only, the hawks need a full forward to alleviate williams lack of height and carlton took a ready to go no. 1 midfielder.
Ryder is bottom aged is still growing, laycock grew about 6cm's after being drafted, and will add class to every essendon goal to goal line.
From full back Fletcher
chb Ryder, Mcphee
Ruck Laycock/hille
chf Bradley with Lucas
FF Lloyd, Hird
FWIW I never critisized Ryder and think what ever position it is he will be a good AFL player.
If Hughes thought Ryder was the best player in the draft I'm sure he would've picked him regardless of position.
Like some others have said (not sure if it's true though) 4-5 other clubs had him at #1 as well...
Dont know where this bust the guts comes from, a man with shoulder problems wont be doing much gut busting in the future.
Essendon rated Ryder at no 1, that is going a bit overboard, if they rated him at no 1 they clearly have no clue what they are doing.
What consitutes the overall value of a draftee? The proportion of security against problems (Injuries, Player Flaws, external problems or total player mis-analysis) and potential which makes up the value is in the eye of the beholder. If they are leaning more to the potential side then I can see how Ryder might rate as no.1.
I heard rumors at East Freo Colts that combined with other comments by Smart lead me to think that Fremantle probably rated Ryder No. 1 overall as well.
douggie the don
27 Nov 2005, 23:43
I wouldnt be surprised to see Ryder thrown in the midfield by Sheeds at the beginning of his career to surprise a few people. Ryder will always have some impact at AFL level, safer option then Mitch Clark cos he will stay at the club throughout his career and is a better ruckman, Carlton overlooked him why, Im still baffled by that, he suited there needs perfectly.
Im still hoping one day Essendon will have the balls to play Bradley primarly of a wing as he did in his WAFL career, itd cause a ton of problems, especially when he drifts down to defence.
i think ultimately Bradley will be a utility who can play everywhere. No harm in grooming him as a CHB either.
It's this point you made that should be the answer to anyone who says Ryder doesn't fit into a position at AFL level.
Kepler Bradley came to us as a tall wingman and now is doing a reasonable job holding down CHB in his 2nd year. Ryder is one of the youngest draftees.
He should grow a bit more and has all the attributes. In 2 years he'll still be 19, that's a long time to grow and develop into almost anything if the skills are there........
blumfieldisback
28 Nov 2005, 09:49
i think ultimately Bradley will be a utility who can play everywhere. No harm in grooming him as a CHB either.
It's this point you made that should be the answer to anyone who says Ryder doesn't fit into a position at AFL level.
Kepler Bradley came to us as a tall wingman and now is doing a reasonable job holding down CHB in his 2nd year. Ryder is one of the youngest draftees.
He should grow a bit more and has all the attributes. In 2 years he'll still be 19, that's a long time to grow and develop into almost anything if the skills are there........
spot on there douggie, even if he didnt grow he'd still be a dangerous CHF i mean goodes isnt that big either and the same with franklin. But i think he will grow and in 4-6 years time he will start to dominate. how tall is Kositczkhe <-- probably mispelled but it has taken him a good 5 years to stand up and be counted.
coasting
28 Nov 2005, 09:55
Koschitzke is reportedly 197cm but he doesn't look that tall to me. But yeah he goes ok in the ruck and he is roughly the same height as Ryder.
dirk pitt
28 Nov 2005, 10:38
The Blues weighed up a whole range of factors and at the end of all of that, we rated Kennedy the best big man (or best tall for us if you prefer), bung shoulder and all.
Its easy to see how each club with their slighly different needs could weigh up the same factors and rank Kennedy, Ryder and Dowler completely differently. In 4 years we'll have a good idea which one is the best or if they're all champions.
I think Essendon could feel comfortable knowing they got the best player left at pick 7. If they ranked him 1 then so much the better for them.
Well he won't be doing it for your side anyway and you'd give your right arm to get to him the WCE.
I wouldnt go that far, we already got one forward with buggered shoulders I sure as hell wouldnt want a second. Shoulders are the worst injury any KPP can have in his career, Id prefer my KPP to lose a leg then to bust up his shoulders. I dont see how Carlton forward line will coexist with the 4 talls, Fisher and Betts, the run out of defence by opposition teams wud be insane. I still think Carlton should of got Ryder, adds a bit of versatility to there team, something the have none off.
nicho_magic
28 Nov 2005, 13:05
yeah sheedy rating him as number one was a bit much, however sounds like a very good pick up.
LukeHodge15
28 Nov 2005, 13:12
yeah sheedy rating him as number one was a bit much, however sounds like a very good pick up.
the spin that all clubs put on their draft picks is funny to say the least.
ac - saying ellis is an absolute gun, couldnt believe he there at 2.
miller - saying he couldnt believe they ended upo with JON-hughes-cassily(all rated as round 1 picks)
sheedy saying ryder was number one on there boards(very believable though imo)
its all a very good PR exercise minutes after the draft finishes:D
TheGeneral
28 Nov 2005, 13:22
I wouldnt go that far, we already got one forward with buggered shoulders I sure as hell wouldnt want a second. Shoulders are the worst injury any KPP can have in his career, Id prefer my KPP to lose a leg then to bust up his shoulders.
We all know Parrot's on the money with the WCE.:D
I dont see how Carlton forward line will coexist with the 4 talls, Fisher and Betts, the run out of defence by opposition teams wud be insane. I still think Carlton should of got Ryder, adds a bit of versatility to there team, something the have none off.
Ryder doesn't play CHF in the WAFL and I doubt he'll be able to take that to the AFL.We have enough players in Waite, Fisher, etc who are undersized tall forwards with mobility who can mark but aren't genuine key position players.
Kennedy prospects would have been given a thorough workover by Carlton's Docs before we decided to go that way;) :thumbsu: .
TheHeatleyStand
28 Nov 2005, 15:04
I wouldnt go that far, we already got one forward with buggered shoulders I sure as hell wouldnt want a second. Shoulders are the worst injury any KPP can have in his career, Id prefer my KPP to lose a leg then to bust up his shoulders. I dont see how Carlton forward line will coexist with the 4 talls, Fisher and Betts, the run out of defence by opposition teams wud be insane. I still think Carlton should of got Ryder, adds a bit of versatility to there team, something the have none off.
Ryder will be a good player but do we real;ly need a 6ft 6 half forward flanker????
coasting
28 Nov 2005, 15:21
We all know Parrot's on the money with the WCE.:D
How?
Ryder doesn't play CHF in the WAFL and I doubt he'll be able to take that to the AFL.
How would you know?
Kennedy prospects would have been given a thorough workover by Carlton's Docs before we decided to go that way;) :thumbsu: .
The same Carlton Docs who gave Adrian Whitehead the OK?
TheGeneral
28 Nov 2005, 18:44
How?
Comprehension not a strong point?
How would you know?
Wasn't pick four for Carlton a CHF from East Fremantle?:cool:
The same Carlton Docs who gave Adrian Whitehead the OK?
What does Whitehead have to do with Kennedy's injury?
His foot was stuffed regardless and he made his own choice to run onto the ground.Not the doctors or the clubs who were found to have done the right thing in court and absolved of blame like the club.
http://www.injuryupdate.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=914
I thought you were a moderator on Bigfooty?
Interesting.:cool:
theorangeapple
28 Nov 2005, 19:22
Interesting that Essendon rated him as no1 and they said 3-4 other clubs did aswell.
coasting
28 Nov 2005, 19:46
Comprehension not a strong point?
Can't answer a straight forward question? I'll ask again. How is Parrot on the money with the WCE?
Wasn't pick four for Carlton a CHF from East Fremantle?:cool:
A CHF from East Fremantle, but not one that played at CHF for East Fremantle. He played deep in the forward line in the WAFL. But that wasn't the question, the question was how would you know how much time Patrick Ryder spent at CHF for East Fremantle?
What does Whitehead have to do with Kennedy's injury?
It was a question in regards as to whether it was the same Doctors checking out his injury. Carlton might have changed Doctors since then, I wouldn't know.
TheGeneral
28 Nov 2005, 20:00
Can't answer a straight forward question? I'll ask again. How is Parrot on the money with the WCE?
You have no decent KPPs at either end IMHO and would kill a local boy like Kennedy.
A CHF from East Fremantle, but not one that played at CHF for East Fremantle. He played deep in the forward line in the WAFL. But that wasn't the question, the question was how would you know how much time Patrick Ryder spent at CHF for East Fremantle?
Why is there conjecture about Ryder's ability to play a KP since he was the AA ruckman at the championships?
Why is he listed as a ruckman/forward on the over-rated Footydraft?
It was a question in regards as to whether it was the same Doctors checking out his injury. Carlton might have changed Doctors since then, I wouldn't know.
So you don't know anything about Carlton? Then don't state that Carlton's doctor was responsible for ending a player's career.
Weren't you a moderator?