View Full Version : Jay Schulz - forward vs defender
White Czar
27 Nov 2005, 14:41
Personally I really like the look of him as a center half back. Not slow, strong, good grab, decent skills. Seems to control the tempo.
Wallace has stated he will be our long term CHB and I thought he looked very good there in the last couple games of the season.
However - I read a few of you would like to see him forward.
Ideas?
With Hall doing a solid job at CHB, I wouldn't mind seeing him up forward in 2006, simply because we lack a CHF, we've got a few who could be our CHF in the future, but none are ready yet.
MartinLutherWallace
27 Nov 2005, 14:56
He had a great game up forward against Brisbane couple of years ago.
That was exciting and gave us all an impression he was a born FF.
It seems that he himself had a natural interest in playing up forward so wether Wallace has talked him out of it or not,the fact remains he saw himself as an attacking forward initially.
Having said that,for the same reasons people would like to see him @ CHF,he could play down back.
So whatever really.
madtiger2005
27 Nov 2005, 15:47
he's a natural forward and hall has learnt to be a good chb. Both look capable of becoming very good chf and chb ;)
Goldust
27 Nov 2005, 16:39
:) DEFINITELY forward!
Darth_Tiger
27 Nov 2005, 16:44
wouldnt mind seeing the two (hall and shulz) switch through the positions. i think the idea was to sit shulz at chb for the next few years and then unleash him up forward david neitz style. with hall solid up back who knows what plough will roll out next year. one of the biggest reasons to anticipate 2006 for mine.
madtiger2005
27 Nov 2005, 17:27
no need to put him at chb, we have razor :D
johnny k
27 Nov 2005, 17:44
ray's very solid at chb at the moment. that's his role and he's had a few scalps both season just gone and the year before that.
schultz is a forward.
can take a pack mark, attacking mindset-i don't think he could punch all day from behind instead off having a go at a mark. (and yes i have seen him play often as a chb at coburg this year-he does well, but i still say he's a forward.)
Coughlan
27 Nov 2005, 18:26
He has the ability to mix between the two. Id like to see him play predominately CHB and he can learn the position off the likes of Brown, Tredrea, Pavlich and Riewlodt while still pinch hitting in the foward line before eventually becoming a full time foward who can go into defence if his really needed.
nugget_12
27 Nov 2005, 20:58
this is an article not long after his TAC incident......towards the end he states he would like to take over from richo.....
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=210945
A comment from Greg Miller made on tuesday night was "some players will be returned to their best positions" or something like that and i am sure he was talking about Schulz
wez10000
27 Nov 2005, 21:39
I would use him at both CHF & CHB, When we play a high scoring team like St,Kilda , Western Bulldogs Ect we use him at CHB and when we play low scoring teams we use him at CHF.
As long as he dominates on the field I am happy :thumbsu: :)
rfctigerarmy
27 Nov 2005, 21:49
Yep, I dont care which end he plays.
For mine, he is a Full Forward. The only thing stopping him is Richo..
White Czar
27 Nov 2005, 22:40
Alright - I spose the real question is related to the quailty of Ray Hall. To be honest up untill last season I thought the Rayman was poo. However, I watched him closly last year and I reckon Hall really has turned the step. He has abit of a nasty streak about him with those elbows going astray at times :cool:
He seems to have finally got abit of muscle on him and can hold his own against most. He is actully a really good highet at 196cm. I beleive he is still quite young at 25ish.
The question beckons - Is Ray Hall good enough to hold down the key role of CHB at Richmond for the next half dozen or so years? Will we ever win a GF (the ultimate goal of course) with the Rayman taking the other sides best forward? Im not sure either way but the likes of Bishop/Wakelin in Ports side which dominated for so long are solid without being special - look in the Hall mold. More so, the likes of Roberts-Thomson, Gaspar, Hunter mixed with a strong/skillful/running backline gets sides to grand finals.
Schultz @ CHF does look nice on paper. Richo will play for alot more years if he can be allowed to play out of the square as a full forward rather than a CHF.
Fingers crossed.
White Czar
28 Nov 2005, 13:29
Alright - I spose the real question is related to the quailty of Ray Hall. To be honest up untill last season I thought the Rayman was poo. However, I watched him closly last year and I reckon Hall really has turned the step. He has abit of a nasty streak about him with those elbows going astray at times :cool:
He seems to have finally got abit of muscle on him and can hold his own against most. He is actully a really good highet at 196cm. I beleive he is still quite young at 25ish.
The question beckons - Is Ray Hall good enough to hold down the key role of CHB at Richmond for the next half dozen or so years? Will we ever win a GF (the ultimate goal of course) with the Rayman taking the other sides best forward? Im not sure either way but the likes of Bishop/Wakelin in Ports side which dominated for so long are solid without being special - look in the Hall mold. More so, the likes of Roberts-Thomson, Gaspar, Hunter mixed with a strong/skillful/running backline gets sides to grand finals.
Schultz @ CHF does look nice on paper. Richo will play for alot more years if he can be allowed to play out of the square as a full forward rather than a CHF.
Fingers crossed.
On the other hand, this is the 2nd year in a row we have tried to trade Hall :o
rfctigerarmy
28 Nov 2005, 13:30
On the other hand, this is the 2nd year in a row we have tried to trade Hall :o
Who were we trading him for this year...? :confused:
johnny k
28 Nov 2005, 13:40
On the other hand, this is the 2nd year in a row we have tried to trade Hall :o
he was never up to be traded. greg miller made that clear when the media bought it up.
White Czar
28 Nov 2005, 13:52
Who were we trading him for this year...? :confused:
he was never up to be traded. greg miller made that clear when the media bought it up.
We put Hall & Tivendale 'on the table' during Trade week I read in the paper...
Nbrown7
28 Nov 2005, 14:56
iv said it before that Jay will be like Brad Miller from the dees and play at either end when required. He could take a barry hall one day or play chf the next.
Harvey Leadpipe
28 Nov 2005, 15:31
Think he'll be more suited up forward. Pretty versatile, but has the necessary skills to make it as a forward. Will be a timely replacement for Richo when the sad day eventually arrives.
Put 'im in the forward line. He's a strong mark, good leap, and (most importantly) straight kick.
madtiger2005
28 Nov 2005, 17:35
why would we play him at chb one week and chf the next? We have Hall who has been learning the role at chb for 2 years and he has become very good and should get better. No need to put Schultz in defence. He needs to stick with one position and learn it and grow confidence. Changing his position will just confuse him and there is no need to rob ourselves of a natural forward ;)
We really need him to step up and play every week and contribute.
Nbrown7
30 Nov 2005, 11:07
Jay Shultz will be playing on the half back flank setting up play in 2006.
hotdogandsauce
30 Nov 2005, 13:36
Jay Shultz will be playing on the half back flank setting up play in 2006.
as per terry wallace at last nights club 80 function jay will be playing CHB....straight from the horses mouth....he also said he either wanted varcoe or oakley but was more than happy to get JON as he believes his height was the added advantage over varcoe...;)
White Czar
30 Nov 2005, 13:43
as per terry wallace at last nights club 80 function jay will be playing CHB....straight from the horses mouth....he also said he either wanted varcoe or oakley but was more than happy to get JON as he believes his height was the added advantage over varcoe...;)
Very good to hear.
I like the look of Schultz @ CHB very much.
Darth_Tiger
30 Nov 2005, 15:26
so hotdog, did you ask him where razor will be playing?
White Czar
30 Nov 2005, 16:27
so hotdog, did you ask him where razor will be playing?
Coburg?
Hall can be our 'tall wingman' like he did in the last few games when Schulz played :)
White Czar
2 Dec 2005, 01:34
Hall can be our 'tall wingman' like he did in the last few games when Schulz played :)
Ray Hall isn't a wingmans as'shole.
:::buddy38:::
2 Dec 2005, 08:17
Ray Hall isn't a wingmans as'shole.
He did ok against hawthorn
johnny k
2 Dec 2005, 09:52
He did ok against hawthorn
we were playing hawthorn though.
they had no forward line, he was alloud to run free. can't do that against teams with a forward line. he's a backman