View Full Version : Our Direction. Midfield, Midfield and more midfield.
Inside Midfielders and Hard nosed players.
Cogs ( Great at getting the Ball out also gets plenty of the ball around the Ground)
Foley ( Looks like Brett Ratten type to me)
Hartigan ( Probably play a more Defensive Role)
Tuck ( Utillity in the old sence, Great at getting the ball out like Cogs)
Jackson ( Run off half back)
Hyde ( Run off half back)
Johnson ( defensive Midfield role)
Newman ( Defensive midfield role)
Chaffey ( Tagging role)
Outside Midfielders and players that we need to Finish.
Deliedio ( Can play inside but more important outside )
Brown ( Can play inside but more important outside )
Pettifer (glad to type his name finnally in a positive way)
Tambling ( Like to see him play a N.Brown type role next year while Brown recovers, In and out of attack and the midfield, Impact player)
Tivvendale ( Needs to be outside the packs and make that left foot hit targets like we know it can:confused: )
Players That need to Improve from last season.
Rodan ( should improve on last year:D )
Raines
Roach
Meyer
Players that may make there debut.
Polo
J O-N
Casserly
Our Midfield Stokes Don't look to bad. We have pace to burn once the ball is free and we have the players to get it free to them. A good mix in quality Inside and outside midfielders.
The Club seems to be going down the Midfield road, One KPP in the draft was surprising to me but I'm not dissapointed.
:::buddy38:::
28 Nov 2005, 20:09
Its good there arent any Priority picks next year, as we are unlikely to make the 8 we would still get a very good player available anywhere we finish in the bottom8
Darth_Tiger
28 Nov 2005, 20:18
a couple of points.
1. richmond have been one of the tallest sides going around for the last 10 years and what has it gotten us? if the young speedsters we have now in the paddock develop as they should we will run other teams into the ground. midfield dominance is the way to win games.
2. if we are lacking a tall option and have an abundance of class midfielders then we can always make a win-win trade with another club who has a good tall player available.
3. wallace used the same idea at the dogs. nearly his whole team were midfielders. hard to match up on a team so versatile.
cairo tiger
28 Nov 2005, 22:42
leg speed leg speed leg speed
did you see that road runner go past.....brmmmmmmmm
duckboy
29 Nov 2005, 07:06
I wondered if the AFL's rule changes last Friday would've had any bearing on the players we chose to draft. The rule changes all pointed towards speeding the game up, making it harder to set-up zone defence for kick-ins and getting less players around stoppages and behind the ball. As such, footspeed is possibly the most important factor in footy, if it hasn't already been. Drafting an Oakley-Nicholls ahead of KPP's may be an indication of the way TW sees the game being played in lieu of the rule changes.
I wondered if the AFL's rule changes last Friday would've had any bearing on the players we chose to draft. The rule changes all pointed towards speeding the game up, making it harder to set-up zone defence for kick-ins and getting less players around stoppages and behind the ball. As such, footspeed is possibly the most important factor in footy, if it hasn't already been. Drafting an Oakley-Nicholls ahead of KPP's may be an indication of the way TW sees the game being played in lieu of the rule changes.
Hit the nail on the head!
Well pointed out, if you look at last years night games experimentation, the emphasis was on minimising stoppages and getting the game to "speed", adds to the excitement.
Wallace and co have chosen to go down the right path. Hawthorn has not improved their speed and have opted for KPP, so it will be interesting to judge the two teams in a couple of years time.
Also Adelaide are not the fastest team but have strong players who win the ball and use it well.
Bulldogs dont have the strength but have a fast skillful team, another good comparison this year especially with the rule changes.
Punt_Road_Roar
29 Nov 2005, 10:33
A strong midfield is the way to go, it means less pressure on the backline and more opportunities to score up forward.
So if you have one of the best midfeilds in the comp then you dont have to have the best forward line or backline to compete with the top teams IMO.
So if you have one of the best midfeilds in the comp then you dont have to have the best forward line or backline to compete with the top teams IMO.
Case study - Adelaide Crows.
B-Grade key forwards Perrie, Welsh, Hentshcel and McGregor
B-Grade key defenders Basset, Bock, Rutten
But 11 midfielders averaging 15 touches per match Goodwin, Ricciuto, Edwards, Burton, Thompson, McLeod, Johncock, Mattner, Skipworth, Shirley and Torney. Throw in the tagger Doughty and you have a 12 man midfield. Reilly the 13th and he can be handy when given a run.
Adelaide were second for inside-50s and when they went forward their midfied depth meant there was always spare men which meant someone could kick forward without too much pressure.
The Crows had 8 midfielders kick 10+ goals for the season. Richmond had Deledio, Campbell and Tuck.
At the other end Adelaide conceeded the fewest Inside 50s of any team.
Their defenders had to do less than any other guys in the comp. Bassett, Bock, Rutten and Hart also had those midfielders coming back to make numbers. The midfield chasing back meant that opposition players kicking forward were under pressure which also helped their defenders look good.
The game is always won in the middle
B Hartigan Gaspar Chaffey
HB Newman Bowden Jackson
C Tambling Rodan Tivendale
HF Johnson Deledio Roach
F Brown Richo Meyer
Foll Pattison Tuck Cogs
Int Foley Hyde Raines Simmonds
Emerg: Pettifer, Polo, JON
Not the worst team we could field, and hell to match up against.
Only 4 genuine 'talls', one of whom is a resting ruckman ( and potential forward ) and only Gaspar could be said to lack mobility ( but we need someone for the big forwards ).
leg speed leg speed leg speed
did you see that road runner go past.....brmmmmmmmm
Beeeep Beep
White Czar
30 Nov 2005, 09:19
B Hartigan Gaspar Chaffey
HB Newman Bowden Jackson
C Tambling Rodan Tivendale
HF Johnson Deledio Roach
F Brown Richo Meyer
Foll Pattison Tuck Cogs
Int Foley Hyde Raines Simmonds
Emerg: Pettifer, Polo, JON
Not the worst team we could field, and hell to match up against.
Only 4 genuine 'talls', one of whom is a resting ruckman ( and potential forward ) and only Gaspar could be said to lack mobility ( but we need someone for the big forwards ).
They'd slow us down abit.
True Thylacine
30 Nov 2005, 09:56
I was also a detractor of Greg Tivendale's last year. However having seen some recent replays on Fox it is bloody obvious the boy can play and in fact, having just seen the replay of last year's clash v West Coast at the G, can not only play but potentially star. Certainly there are some issues there about consistency, decision making, right foot and confidence.
That said, I am a little disappointed that of the increasing attitude that he is dead before he starts the season regardless. We cant afford that whilst we need to maintain experienced players as the kids develop and moreover should try and help him rediscover the form he is capable of. Not many of us at this time last year would have predicted Tuck, Pettifer or Ray Hall's changes in 2005 either, no doubt more would have spoken of their imminent demise.
Fact is he is on our list for 2006 and as such deserves our support as do all players wearing the yellow and black. No one ever got better being consistently bagged and perhaps some positive feedback might help him turn the corner. Who knows...he might just surprise us all so lets give him a chance to I reckon.
Harvey Leadpipe
30 Nov 2005, 10:08
I Fact is he is on our list for 2006 and as such deserves our support as do all players wearing the yellow and black. No one ever got better being consistently bagged and perhaps some positive feedback might help him turn the corner. Who knows...he might just surprise us all so lets give him a chance to I reckon.
Don't know about that TT. I, along with many others I know, wanted to see the end of the useless, overrated, lazy, soft and squib-like Joel before he turned the corner. Infact, many times I heard (and muttered myself) "about f---en time" when he was eventually dropped. Constantly copping it in the rectum from us made Joel a better player. He put his head down, and proved to us that he can play.
If Tiv's too soft to take criticism for dribbling the ball along the ground at the highest level (adding to the fact the amount of money he gets paid, and I'm f---ed if i know what he's on, but it's a sh-tload more than me), then he can move on. Last legs.
Anyway, back on track, very happy to see a lot of legs being developed in the guts. We've had enough of seeing slow duds constantly chase the opposition, and turning it over during the match because they're always under pressure. Looking forward to eventually watching us brush-off tackles and doing the leg work. Make 'em run Terry.
True Thylacine
30 Nov 2005, 10:32
Don't know about that TT. I, along with many others I know, wanted to see the end of the useless, overrated, lazy, soft and squib-like Joel before he turned the corner. Infact, many times I heard (and muttered myself) "about f---en time" when he was eventually dropped. Constantly copping it in the rectum from us made Joel a better player. He put his head down, and proved to us that he can play.
If Tiv's too soft to take criticism for dribbling the ball along the ground at the highest level (adding to the fact the amount of money he gets paid, and I'm f---ed if i know what he's on, but it's a sh-tload more than me), then he can move on. Last legs.
Anyway, back on track, very happy to see a lot of legs being developed in the guts. We've had enough of seeing slow duds constantly chase the opposition, and turning it over during the match because they're always under pressure. Looking forward to eventually watching us brush-off tackles and doing the leg work. Make 'em run Terry.
Harv I'm with you 100%. I totally agree he has to accept criticism and learn from it and I was happy to hurl it around last year as well. If you do good you get a pat on the back you do bad you get a kick in the freckle, no question.
What I'm saying is, lets support him in a fresh start and see if he can turn the corner. If he continues to fail or disappoint...then yep, he'll get my size 10's too and I'll chase him down the street kicking his @rse all the way but when he fails, not if he doesnt. Many have him failing before he has started. Pettifer, Tuck and all are sufficient evidence to suggest that he may not after a pre-season with people in his ear. Certainly we have everything to gain nothing to lose as does Tivendale but if he is trying his best we should support that not bag that...at least until he is unsucessful.
The game is always won in the middle
Amen.
Darth_Tiger
30 Nov 2005, 15:26
pace, skill and CLASS.
:::buddy38:::
30 Nov 2005, 16:08
pace, skill and CLASS.
Brett Deledio
McLeod23
5 Dec 2005, 15:58
[QUOTE=Weaver]Case study - Adelaide Crows.
B-Grade key defenders Rutten [QUOTE]
Sorry Weaver, but how on earth can you rate Rutten as a 'B-Grade' defender?
He is the All-Australian fullback.
Not to mention he is still young and half a season off having played 50 games.
If that makes him a B-Grade defender then there are no decent defenders in the AFL.
madtiger2005
5 Dec 2005, 18:00
if you win the middle it will usually win you games, not always ;)