So who do we take?

[Crowked]

So which ones do we take? We have a PSD pick and 4 rookie spots. These are the lads attending our rookie camp. Will we take a recycled player?

Jace Bode (Sturt)
Adrian Bonnadio (Port Melbourne)
Sam Elliott (South Adelaide)
Todd Grima (Tasmanian Devils)
Kyle Jenner (Port Adelaide Magpies)
Ed Lower (Norwood)
Luke McEntee (North Adelaide)
Jason Porplyzia (West Adelaide)
Matthew Reavill (Glenelg)
Tom Redden (Glenelg)
Tom Rischbieth (Sturt)
Brad Sugars (Glenelg)
Dale Symmons (Woodville-West Torrens


Mine are
PSD: Bode
Rookie:Grima, Jenner, McEntee, Rischbieth

[dirtydog444]

Wouldnt mind betting Grima and Rischbeith are taken PSD before Our pick. Therefore perhaps Mcentee PSD and Bode, Elliott ,Jenner and 1 other would be the go :D

[Kristof]

Pre-season Draft: Todd Grima (Tasmanian Devils)

Rookie Draft: Jace Bode (Sturt), Sam Elliott (South Adelaide), Luke McEntee (North Adelaide) and Tom Rischbieth (Sturt).

Gee, nice mix of lads, though.

[SpringChoke]

So which ones do we take? We have a PSD pick and 4 rookie spots. These are the lads attending our rookie camp. Will we take a recycled player?

Jace Bode (Sturt)
Adrian Bonnadio (Port Melbourne)
Sam Elliott (South Adelaide)
Todd Grima (Tasmanian Devils)
Kyle Jenner (Port Adelaide Magpies)
Ed Lower (Norwood)
Luke McEntee (North Adelaide)
Jason Porplyzia (West Adelaide)
Matthew Reavill (Glenelg)
Tom Redden (Glenelg)
Tom Rischbieth (Sturt)
Brad Sugars (Glenelg)
Dale Symmons (Woodville-West Torrens


Mine are
PSD: Bode
Rookie:Grima, Jenner, McEntee, Rischbieth

If I look at it the other way, who I wouldn't want to take Bonnadio, Jenner, Porp, Reavill, Sugars and Symmons. All the rest are fair game.

[crows98]

So which ones do we take? We have a PSD pick and 4 rookie spots. These are the lads attending our rookie camp. Will we take a recycled player?

Jace Bode (Sturt)
Adrian Bonnadio (Port Melbourne)
Sam Elliott (South Adelaide)
Todd Grima (Tasmanian Devils)
Kyle Jenner (Port Adelaide Magpies)
Ed Lower (Norwood)
Luke McEntee (North Adelaide)
Jason Porplyzia (West Adelaide)
Matthew Reavill (Glenelg)
Tom Redden (Glenelg)
Tom Rischbieth (Sturt)
Brad Sugars (Glenelg)
Dale Symmons (Woodville-West Torrens





PSD: Jason Porplyzia (West Adelaide)

He wouldn’t be eligible to be rookie listed again as he has already spent time on a rookie list before?

Wasn’t Jason Porplyzia on the Adelaide Crows rookie list 2 years ago? thats why i had him as the PSD pick

Rookie Draft:

Tom Rischbieth (Sturt)
Jace Bode (Sturt)
Sam Elliott (South Adelaide)
Todd Grima (Tasmanian Devils)

Can anyone tell me if Todd Grima has been invited to train with any other AFL club or just the Adelaide Crows?

[drakeyv2]

PSD:
Damian Cupido

ROOKIE:
Jace Bode
Luke McEntee
Tom Rischbieth
Tom Redden

[DJ75]

Ok, Given Port have a pick before us in the PSD and in the rookie draft, we won't get all of the guys we want. Port will most likely take Armstrong in the PSD draft therefore we should have first crack, would we take Grima or Rischbieth first? For mine I would go Grima (even though the observant bigfooty members will know I have been pumping Rischbieth up for two years!) because Grima has the possibility of becoming a good forward (which we will need).

It is likely then that Port will take Rischbieth with their first pick in the rookie draft. If they didn't I would jump at him.
Thus I would go:
PSD: Grima
Rookie:
Rischbieth if available or Bode
Sam Elliot
Adrian Bonaddio (19yo, 195 cm, 96 kg, forward/ruckman) Good Key position support (given we only have S. Stevens and Hinge at the moment)
Kyle Jenner (although Port will probably take him) or Tom Redden

If we managed to get both Grima and Rischbieth I would be over the moon and suggest this has been our best recruiting campaign EVER! Unfortunately I can't see us getting both. I am surprised that Campbell from North Adelaide hasn't been looked at as I would like to see more of him.
Whatever happens, it looks like we will get some seriously good rookies this year!

[DJ75]

PSD:
Damian Cupido

ROOKIE:
Jace Bode
Luke McEntee
Tom Rischbieth
Tom Redden


Cupido?? are you joking?? Not with a ten foot clown pole!

[No 1 Draft Pick]

It is likely then that Port will take Rischbieth with their first pick in the rookie draft. If they didn't I would jump at him.
Thus I would go:
PSD: Grima
Rookie:
Rischbieth if available or Bode
Sam Elliot
Adrian Bonaddio (19yo, 195 cm, 96 kg, forward/ruckman) Good Key position support (given we only have S. Stevens and Hinge at the moment)
Kyle Jenner (although Port will probably take him) or Tom Redden



Spot on. That would be a great result

[GoSarge]

Cupido?? are you joking?? Not with a ten foot clown pole!

Exactly. Only guys with their heads screwed on right are welcome at Crows HQ.

[GrandfinalGurus]

You would think the PAP's would be taking Armstrong, Ed Lower, possibly Jason Roe, which still leaves them 2 rookies to take ( IF they can afford it!!!) but I am of the similar thinking with others here on this board, but I hope the AFC take Grima, Rischbieth, Bode, Sam Elliot, Redden or McEntee, 1 in the PSD and the rest rookie listed.

[AJ_No.4]

Exactly. Only guys with their heads screwed on right are welcome at Crows HQ.

I actually think it wouldn't be a bad idea either. He has some major talent.

I think Neil Craig could bring the best out of him....

[GoSarge]

I actually think it wouldn't be a bad idea either. He has some major talent.

I think Neil Craig could bring the best out of him....

Matthews and Sheedy must have been mugs because they couldn't do it. For mine, you're better off trying to find yourself some unearthed talent. Fantasia has done well with smokeys in the past, I say go for it again.

[Gets!]

I hope we don't take Redden or Sugars. Both are soft IMO.

[spice18]

I think the focus appears to be too much on who either Crows or Power rookie list almost exclusively WRT the SA kids. I'm actually more concerned that clubs like the Dees; Freo; Cats&Dogs (couldn't resist that) who have had a fair bit of success with SA young draftees will also have a real dip, thus limiting options for both SA clubs. The way Geelong picked up 3 SA kids in the draft suggests to me there will be significant competition beyond our border for these kids

[Bugz]

PSD: Jason Porplyzia (West Adelaide)

He wouldn’t be eligible to be rookie listed again as he has already spent time on a rookie list before?

Wasn’t Jason Porplyzia on the Adelaide Crows rookie list 2 years ago? thats why i had him as the PSD pick

Rookie Draft:

Tom Rischbieth (Sturt)
Jace Bode (Sturt)
Sam Elliott (South Adelaide)
Todd Grima (Tasmanian Devils)

Can anyone tell me if Todd Grima has been invited to train with any other AFL club or just the Adelaide Crows?

Tassie news said that Grima is Training with crows and a "number of other clubs," Hawthorn is interested in him as well.

[Gets!]

Sheeds is also interested in an SA lad...probably Bode.

[theorangeapple]

I think the focus appears to be too much on who either Crows or Power rookie list almost exclusively WRT the SA kids. I'm actually more concerned that clubs like the Dees; Freo; Cats&Dogs (couldn't resist that) who have had a fair bit of success with SA young draftees will also have a real dip, thus limiting options for both SA clubs. The way Geelong picked up 3 SA kids in the draft suggests to me there will be significant competition beyond our border for these kids


Generally clubs dont like to rookie players outside their own state. The costs of relocating a player are very high especially considering a rookie only get around $25k p/yr. Obviously there are exceptions but its a problem that the poorer clubs have. I dont envisage the Tigers, Demons, Dogs etc to be taking to many interstate rookies. Maybe one with their first rookie pick and thats if they rate that player highly.

This is a reason why WA and SA clubs have a very good success rate with the rookie list compared to Vic clubs.

[Stiffy_18]

PSD: Todd Grima

Rookie list: any of the better players that are still available

Grima is a key forward with very good agility and ability to kick goals. He might have some flaws but we need a key forward to balance off our list nicely.

crows98, I think we can still rookie list Porplyzia. He only spent 1 year on the rookie list. As long as he is under the age of 23, we can rookie list him

[bigman]

I am going to keep my cards close to my chest, because I know some of these kids quite well- but if we pick well we could end up with the best draft ever.

I said four months ago that this draft was quite deep in talent. The quality of boys training with us at the moment and the boys who did not get drafted, clearly shows this to be the case.

Lets hope some of the local boys we have training with us do not get whisked away before we get out opportunity to draft them.

[Flying Joey]

I hope we don't take Redden or Sugars. Both are soft IMO.

have to disagree, redden is an inside midfielder

footydraft:
Strengths:
- very hard at it/inside player/will scrap for ball at ground level
- Versatile player
- Evasive/will raise the arms to avoid tackles etc

i think both crows and power will invest in homegrown for rookie.. both have been bitten on the ass by the "go-home" factor..

[Vader]

A couple of things worth noting.

Firstly, as many people have noted, we're short of young tall KPPs at the moment - especially up forward. If one of the current four get injured, it's a choice between Gibson and the useless Stevens.

Secondly, we went into the drafting period with Reid stating that we woud pick up 1x KP Defender, 3x mids, 1x KP Forward. As regards defender & mids it's mission accomplished, so the PSD selection will most likely go to a KP forward.

Thirdly, it is my understanding that interstate rookies must be given a 2-year contract (locals can be offered only 1-year contracts). This means that, other than salary, there is little benefit to having an interstate player as a rookie rather than having them on the main list. Hence, if we're going to take an interstate player it will probably be in the PSD rather than the RD.

From these three things, I draw one conclusion.... Todd Grima, welcome to the AFC main list.

[Gets!]

Vader I hope you are right.

Would love to see Grima in Crows's colours.

[SpringChoke]

I'm with you Stiff, take Grima in the PSD. We need to recruit at least 2 talls either in the PSD or rookie draft:

PSD: Grima

Rookie Lists, no particular order:

Mitchell or Bode,
Risch or Bonaddio
Redden
McEntee.

[RooDog]

We actually have 3-4 back up KPPs if need be, we have Stevens, Gibson, Griffen and Hinge can play tall if we get really desperate....

in saying this i would take Rishbeith in the PSD as i know we still highly fancy him but if we leave him to the rookie list i think that mob across town might grab him first as they have a pick before ours. Grima is interesting he could turn out to be an absolute gem i think but i just get the feeling that we may pass on him, i also wouldnt be surprised to see the hawks take him in the psd before our pick as well... they are going through a youth policy and i think clarkson would take a risk on him especially before Guerra, they dont need another slow midfield/flanker type they have enough already.

[AdelaideFan]

Anyone bays supporters got the good oil on matty reavill? I played a bit of seniors footy with him about five years ago when he was just a pup. Showed a lot of promise then could take a mark and had a nice kick on him. Was only a scrawny fella back then but had some height. Reckon he will be rookied??? I know port showed interest in him a couple of years ago.

[Kane McGoodwin]

A couple of things worth noting.

Firstly, as many people have noted, we're short of young tall KPPs at the moment - especially up forward. If one of the current four get injured, it's a choice between Gibson and the useless Stevens.

Secondly, we went into the drafting period with Reid stating that we woud pick up 1x KP Defender, 3x mids, 1x KP Forward. As regards defender & mids it's mission accomplished, so the PSD selection will most likely go to a KP forward.

Thirdly, it is my understanding that interstate rookies must be given a 2-year contract (locals can be offered only 1-year contracts). This means that, other than salary, there is little benefit to having an interstate player as a rookie rather than having them on the main list. Hence, if we're going to take an interstate player it will probably be in the PSD rather than the RD.

From these three things, I draw one conclusion.... Todd Grima, welcome to the AFC main list.
Good reasoning. For team balance reasons, we should be picking up a KPP forward & Grima appears the best fit.

Then with the rookies, we should get a mix of everything from the best available talent.

Interesting to note that 3 players we wanted to train with us are still with Port at this stage.

[Kane McGoodwin]

We actually have 3-4 back up KPPs if need be, we have Stevens, Gibson, Griffen and Hinge can play tall if we get really desperate....

We would have to be very desperate to play Hinge as a tall. He may be be able to do it fro lesser comps, but not in the AFL, unless he is playing as a key defender on a mid-size opposition forward.

[GoSarge]

Good reasoning. For team balance reasons, we should be picking up a KPP forward & Grima appears the best fit.

Then with the rookies, we should get a mix of everything from the best available talent.

Interesting to note that 3 players we wanted to train with us are still with Port at this stage.

I agree. KPP's Stevens, Krueger and Watts have all disappeared from last years list and have only been replaced by Obst through the ND thus far. I think that Grima would be the way to go, to even up the balance a bit more.

The rookie draft should be a 'best available' pick IMO, with a view to getting a good cross section of different type of players.

[RooDog]

We would have to be very desperate to play Hinge as a tall. He may be be able to do it fro lesser comps, but not in the AFL, unless he is playing as a key defender on a mid-size opposition forward.

true, but if worse comes to worse, we could play a forward line of Welsh at FF, Perrie at CHF, then if say Rutten was injured, McGregor/Hetnschel at CHB and Bock/Hentchel at FB. Hinge or Griffen could play as the 3rd forward, i was more talking about him playing as a forward where i think he could get away with it than down back because i think from our starting 18 we have 4 options as key defenders... Both Mcgregor and Hentchel are versatile and can play either end, so could Rutten or Bock too really but are both better suited to playing in the back half at the moment.

[Bockchoy67]

Grima all the way for PSD - has a brilliant turning circle, is genuinely dual-sided and kicks bags of goals. Has some flaws and concerns but we need to balance our list with someone who could become a good player.

I'm a bit worried that he will be taken before us. And I wouldn't be suprised if the AFC were to pull someone out of nowhere.

Rookie Draft - given the talent left we should still be able to snare a real player. However, I very much doubt we could pick up Rischbieth AND Bode AND McEntee.

I would go for a tall midfielder with the 1st pick - Rischbeith fits the bill. However, if McEntee is still avaliable (which I would doubt) then I would list him immediantly - could become a nice tall forward/ruckman in time.

With the 2nd pick I would take a utility type such as Kyle Jenner, Tom Redden, etc.

With the 3rd I would take a clearance player such as Sam Elliot or Scott Lewis.

Best case scenario IMO:
PSD -

Todd Grima (Tasmanian Devils) - 193cm FF

Rookie Draft -

Luke McEntee (North Adelaide) - 197cm Ruck/CHF
Kyle Jenner (Port Adelaide Magpies) - 184(?)cm HBF/wing
Sam Elliot (South Adelaide) - 181cm Onballer

:thumbsu:

[Kristof]

I think that if we're willing to use the PSD pick on Grima, then we can be pretty confident he'll be there. Then I think McEntee should be the next priority, as he is one of the few SA prospects that a Vic team would consider paying the relocation money to rookie list.

Then we take who we feel best about of the remaining players (he says, stating the completely obvious) - one of Bode and Elliot hopefully, plus perhaps a mobile tall defender type and a small mobile "rover".

[cro_Magnum]

Grima all the way for PSD - has a brilliant turning circle, is genuinely dual-sided and kicks bags of goals. Has some flaws and concerns but we need to balance our list with someone who could become a good player.

I'm a bit worried that he will be taken before us. And I wouldn't be suprised if the AFC were to pull someone out of nowhere.

Rookie Draft - given the talent left we should still be able to snare a real player. However, I very much doubt we could pick up Rischbieth AND Bode AND McEntee.

I would go for a tall midfielder with the 1st pick - Rischbeith fits the bill. However, if McEntee is still avaliable (which I would doubt) then I would list him immediantly - could become a nice tall forward/ruckman in time.

With the 2nd pick I would take a utility type such as Kyle Jenner, Tom Redden, etc.

With the 3rd I would take a clearance player such as Sam Elliot or Scott Lewis.

Best case scenario IMO:
PSD -

Todd Grima (Tasmanian Devils) - 193cm FF

Rookie Draft -

Luke McEntee (North Adelaide) - 197cm Ruck/CHF
Kyle Jenner (Port Adelaide Magpies) - 184(?)cm HBF/wing
Sam Elliot (South Adelaide) - 181cm Onballer

:thumbsu:

All these players were available at pick 64 in the main draft so why didn't we take whovever we wanted then? Doesn't make sense to wait until the PSD and potentially lose them. Surely the recruiting team would have known enough of them by then.

I'd take: PSD - Jace Bode, pace and toughness

Rookies - Rishcbieth, endurance and leadership
- Porplyzia, big improver
- Grima, KPP with potential
- McLeay, KPP rarely beaten

[GoSarge]

All these players were available at pick 64 in the main draft so why didn't we take whovever we wanted then? Doesn't make sense to wait until the PSD and potentially lose them. Surely the recruiting team would have known enough of them by then.

I'd take: PSD - Jace Bode, pace and toughness

Rookies - Rishcbieth, endurance and leadership
- Porplyzia, big improver
- Grima, KPP with potential
- McLeay, KPP rarely beaten

The recruiting team would know enough about their playing ability for sure, but with a camp like this, you get an insight in to their character and their mental attitude.

For instance, you get to see who rocks up 15 minutes early for training to do some extra stretching, you get to see who stays late to have some extra shots on goals. You can also further test their physical attributes if you're tossing up between 2 similar type players.

[cro_Magnum]

The recruiting team would know enough about their playing ability for sure, but with a camp like this, you get an insight in to their character and their mental attitude.

For instance, you get to see who rocks up 15 minutes early for training to do some extra stretching, you get to see who stays late to have some extra shots on goals. You can also further test their physical attributes if you're tossing up between 2 similar type players.
That's OK, as long as you end up getting the one you want before someone else takes them from under your nose.

[Bockchoy67]

All these players were available at pick 64 in the main draft so why didn't we take whovever we wanted then? Doesn't make sense to wait until the PSD and potentially lose them. Surely the recruiting team would have known enough of them by then.

I'd take: PSD - Jace Bode, pace and toughness

Rookies - Rishcbieth, endurance and leadership
- Porplyzia, big improver
- Grima, KPP with potential
- McLeay, KPP rarely beaten

Because we obviously didn't know enough about them - we may have seen things we liked but needed extra time and training to figure out if they are genuine AFL material.

As for the PSD - I would be disappointed if we didn't take Grima. I very much doubt he would make it to our first rookie pick, and he would be of benefit to the senior list.

I would like Bode but it would be likely that we could pick either him or Rischbeith with our 1st pick in the RD - don't think we should take him in the PSD.

McLeay would be good but does he have the talent and athleticism to make it to AFL? I have my doubts...

BTW I'm a big Jenner fan. Would love to have him. :)

[Stiffy_18]

A couple of things worth noting.

Firstly, as many people have noted, we're short of young tall KPPs at the moment - especially up forward. If one of the current four get injured, it's a choice between Gibson and the useless Stevens.

Secondly, we went into the drafting period with Reid stating that we woud pick up 1x KP Defender, 3x mids, 1x KP Forward. As regards defender & mids it's mission accomplished, so the PSD selection will most likely go to a KP forward.

Thirdly, it is my understanding that interstate rookies must be given a 2-year contract (locals can be offered only 1-year contracts). This means that, other than salary, there is little benefit to having an interstate player as a rookie rather than having them on the main list. Hence, if we're going to take an interstate player it will probably be in the PSD rather than the RD.

From these three things, I draw one conclusion.... Todd Grima, welcome to the AFC main list.
Thats incorrect mate. It used to be a case a few years ago but its not the case now. You can offer a 1 year deal to the interstate rookie. We did it with Nye last season.

We only have to give at least a 2 year deal to the draftees that haven't been on AFL list before. So if we draft a junior footballer in PSD (eg Grima) then we have to offer him a 2 year deal. If you rookie list him, then we can give him a 1 year rookie deal.

[outback jack]

Because we obviously didn't know enough about them - we may have seen things we liked but needed extra time and training to figure out if they are genuine AFL material.


As for the PSD - I would be disappointed if we didn't take Grima. I very much doubt he would make it to our first rookie pick, and he would be of benefit to the senior list.

I would like Bode but it would be likely that we could pick either him or Rischbeith with our 1st pick in the RD - don't think we should take him in the PSD.

McLeay would be good but does he have the talent and athleticism to make it to AFL? I have my doubts...

BTW I'm a big Jenner fan. Would love to have him. :)

if he wasnt drafted at all, isnt it more likely he'll be a B grade FF? We dont need any B graders, we have them atm. I've never seen him so i dont know though.

Just guessing again i think this was another yr where we could or should of cut another player as there seems to be some talent there according to those in the know. Cant see the harm in cutting someone like massie and redrafting them if there are no better options. No one else would pick him up.

[Stiffy_18]

if he wasnt drafted at all, isnt it more likely he'll be a B grade FF? We dont need any B graders, we have them atm. I've never seen him so i dont know though.

Just guessing again i think this was another yr where we could or should of cut another player as there seems to be some talent there according to those in the know. Cant see the harm in cutting someone like massie and redrafting them if there are no better options. No one else would pick him up.
Rutten, Bock, Mattner, Hentschel, Edwards, Goodwin, Vardy et al were all overlooked in the draft at some point in time ;)

[outback jack]

Rutten, Bock, Mattner, Hentschel, Edwards, Goodwin, Vardy et al were all overlooked in the draft at some point in time ;)
The class in that bunch is not relevant to todays drafting though is it. I'm open to drafting good players late, but class key Forward players dont slip much these days. He must have some kind of fault that the afl clubs dont like. Anyway im all for selecting players late and seeing what happens, doesnt hurt anymore than having someone like massie on our list. Another pick would of helped one tends to think!

[cro_Magnum]

if he wasnt drafted at all, isnt it more likely he'll be a B grade FF? We dont need any B graders, we have them atm. I've never seen him so i dont know though.

Just guessing again i think this was another yr where we could or should of cut another player as there seems to be some talent there according to those in the know. Cant see the harm in cutting someone like massie and redrafting them if there are no better options. No one else would pick him up.
The only reason I can see for keeping someone like Massie (originally pick 7 in '97!!!) is so he can be cut next year to make room for a draft pick. If we picked up another new draftee this year at pick 80, we have to keep them for 2 years so we won't have enough places for what is supposed to be a strong draft in '06.

[outback jack]

The only reason I can see for keeping someone like Massie (originally pick 7 in '97!!!) is so he can be cut next year to make room for a draft pick. If we picked up another new draftee this year at pick 80, we have to keep them for 2 years so we won't have enough places for what is supposed to be a strong draft in '06.

dont know if NC would think like that. Hes probably doing it to keep the team spirit and a hardened body for depth purposes. good short term, but gives us nothing long-term. Imo doughty and skippy should be the depth players next yr and massie should be out the door. Dont think doughty will be getting the flick anytime soon though.

The draft is probably overrated too, unless you trade and get multiple picks inside the top20, apart from us i dont think too many other teams got 'gold' really late in the 2001 draft.

[*PAF]

Rutten, Bock, Mattner, Hentschel, Edwards, Goodwin, Vardy et al were all overlooked in the draft at some point in time ;)
and Brogan and Biglands and ...

[Crow-mosone]

Rutten, Bock, Mattner, Hentschel, Edwards, Goodwin, Vardy et al were all overlooked in the draft at some point in time ;)

All true Stiffy,

however maybe that has lead us to believe that we're smarter than we are?

A rookie spot carries no risk, who cares really. give 'em a go.

However there is the tendancy to bump up players who were overlooked/delisted as great prospects. they probably aren't, there might be the odd case, but I reckon we spend too long fixating on the great prospects now available to us.

Off the top of my head the best roookies, for example, seem to be high risk guys who suit the high risk gamble of the rookie draft. Not sure there has ever been too much competition to get any of these guys, because they were so speculative.

[Lefty]

Interesting that no-one has mentioned Daniel MERRETT as our PSD pick.

According to several footy sources there are the following players currently Out of Contract at their respective clubs :-

Brisbane :-
Robert COPELAND
Beau McDONALD
Daniel MERRETT

Carlton :-
Scott CAMPOREALE

Fremantle :-
Shane PARKER

Geelong :-
Mark BLAKE

Hawthorn :-
John BARKER

Kangaroos :-
Glenn ARCHER
Michael FIRRITO
Brady RAWLINGS

Melbourne :-
Nathan D BROWN
Ben HOLLAND

Sydney :-
Ryan O'KEEFE

Western Bulldogs :-
Shane BIRSS
Kieran McGUINNESS
Adam MORGAN

Given that we passed on Pick 65 in the National Draft I feel that we are looking at one of the above guys once they come off contract ie Friday, Dec 2, Third list lodgement, 2pm (tomorrow).

Therefore my picks for the Crows are :-

PSD :- Daniel MERRETT

Rookie Draft :- Jace Bode, Tom Rishcbieth, Luke McEntee & Sam Elliot (I'm betting we won't get all four of these guys but they are the four I would like at the Crows)

Plus with the news that Brisbane Lions discard Tom Logan has rejected Adelaide's invitation to its four-day rookie camp, fuelling speculation he is on his way to Port Adelaide.

My thoughts on the 2005 PSD are :-

Carlton :- Dylan Mclaren
Collingwood :- Alan Toovey
Hawthorn :- Brent Guerra
Essendon :- Scott Camporeale
Kangaroos :- Cameron Thurley
Port Power :- Tom Logan
Adelaide :- Daniel Merrett

Carlton :- Steven Armstrong
Essendon :- Chris Heffernan

[cro_Magnum]

All true Stiffy,

however maybe that has lead us to believe that we're smarter than we are?

A rookie spot carries no risk, who cares really. give 'em a go.

However there is the tendancy to bump up players who were overlooked/delisted as great prospects. they probably aren't, there might be the odd case, but I reckon we spend too long fixating on the great prospects now available to us.

Off the top of my head the best roookies, for example, seem to be high risk guys who suit the high risk gamble of the rookie draft. Not sure there has ever been too much competition to get any of these guys, because they were so speculative.
As long as they're not labelled as "Project Players" - a guarantee of failure.

[Crow-mosone]

As long as they're not labelled as "Project Players" - a guarantee of failure.

they're all project players, that's why they've been overlooked.

[Stiffy_18]

All true Stiffy,

however maybe that has lead us to believe that we're smarter than we are?

A rookie spot carries no risk, who cares really. give 'em a go.

However there is the tendancy to bump up players who were overlooked/delisted as great prospects. they probably aren't, there might be the odd case, but I reckon we spend too long fixating on the great prospects now available to us.

Off the top of my head the best roookies, for example, seem to be high risk guys who suit the high risk gamble of the rookie draft. Not sure there has ever been too much competition to get any of these guys, because they were so speculative.
I don't think we believe that we are smarter than we are. What it has done is give us some confidence that we can unearth a reasonable player with late picks or via PSD and rookie list.

No question that those players are projects but thats the whole purpose of the rookie list/late picks. Its a perfect time to take a punt on a player because, you really don't have a lot to lose. You pay them minimal money, you have them train and work on things you want them to work on and if it doesn't work out, you part company.

There are still quite a few high risk, potential high return prospects left. If we play the cards right and select a player who we can develop, then we can come away with a reasonable player again.

I think under Craig, our whole development structure is much better. We have a specialist development coach rather than treating these yougsters as other veterans and hope they develop. For arguments sake, player like Grima shows some great promise but he can quite easily go the other way and be a bust. He is the sort of player you would take a punt on.

From the players I mentioned, I think Goodwin and Rutten were not huge risks. Goodwin was already playing some pretty good footy at South Adelaide and he was still young with reasonable upside while Rutten was a very highly rated junior coming off a knee reco and had some question marks on his agility and pace. Those are risk factors but not huge risks.

[bigman]

The problem with Grima according to some is that he kicks bags of goals against weak opposition.

I think the facts do not actually back up this opinion. I know he kicked 5-7 gpsld against the Geelong Falcons in one game this year.

He has got the potential to be a good forward, so if we were to take him I would not be unhappy.

I saw him play in the carnival in June and he impressed me. He kicked another bag of goals on this day.

Given our current lack of depth in this area he could be a player.

Like Bockchoy I would also grab McEntee early if he was still available. He looked the goods to me during the Carnival, particularly in game one.

If they were available my other picks would be Rischbeith, Bode and Elliot/Jenner.

[Crow-mosone]

I don't think we believe that we are smarter than we are. What it has done is give us some confidence that we can unearth a reasonable player with late picks or via PSD and rookie list.

No question that those players are projects but thats the whole purpose of the rookie list/late picks. Its a perfect time to take a punt on a player because, you really don't have a lot to lose. You pay them minimal money, you have them train and work on things you want them to work on and if it doesn't work out, you part company.

There are still quite a few high risk, potential high return prospects left. If we play the cards right and select a player who we can develop, then we can come away with a reasonable player again.

I think under Craig, our whole development structure is much better. We have a specialist development coach rather than treating these yougsters as other veterans and hope they develop. For arguments sake, player like Grima shows some great promise but he can quite easily go the other way and be a bust. He is the sort of player you would take a punt on.

From the players I mentioned, I think Goodwin and Rutten were not huge risks. Goodwin was already playing some pretty good footy at South Adelaide and he was still young with reasonable upside while Rutten was a very highly rated junior coming off a knee reco and had some question marks on his agility and pace. Those are risk factors but not huge risks.

Stiffy,

i've not been clear enough, I have every confidence in our recruiting team. I am talking about on here.

there is not a single overlooked or delisted player I care whether we get or not. If they go to Collingwood, Port whoever. couldn't care less.
it's the idea that somehow a great prospect got away? no they didn't.
a roll of the dice got away, that's all.

I don't think the odds on one players versus another are much different at this stage. they are all long shots.

[Stiffy_18]

Stiffy,

i've not been clear enough, I have every confidence in our recruiting team. I am talking about on here.

there is not a single overlooked or delisted player I care whether we get or not. If they go to Collingwood, Port whoever. couldn't care less.
it's the idea that somehow a great prospect got away? no they didn't.
a roll of the dice got away, that's all.

I don't think the odds on one players versus another are much different at this stage. they are all long shots.
Got you now and I agree with you.

This is scraping the bottom of the barrel stuff. If things work out, it looks great for the recruiters resume. If they don't, no one ever talks about it.

The talent pool now is pretty even. There is not distinct difference in talent between first player picked and the last player picked in rookie draft. Some will work out but most won't

[Jerome]

[QUOTE=bigman]The problem with Grima according to some is that he kicks bags of goals against weak opposition.

I think the facts do not actually back up this opinion. I know he kicked 5-7 gpsld against the Geelong Falcons in one game this year.

He has got the potential to be a good forward, so if we were to take him I would not be unhappy.
[QUOTE]

I'd be happy with Grima as a PSD pick. (Mind you, I'd be happier with Merrett and Grima on the rookie list if Merrett nominates for the PSD.)

I agree with you. In regards to the U 18 Champs - its not his fault that Tassie are in Div 2. He can only beat the opposition he's given.

As I understand it, he's been playing with the Northern Bombers in the North Tassie League and his form has been good enough there to be promoted to play with the Tassie Devils in the VFL.

Basically he's a boy that has been playing against men and his form has been good enough to keep going up a level during the year. Now that's a good sign.

Here are Grima's VFL and TAC stats for the year.
http://www.sportingpulse.com.au/nf/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&client=%40TRUenergy%20VFL%20%26%20TAC%20CUP%403020%4030661%4 0%40%403735676%40Tasmania%404%40VFL%20Seniors%401%40&pID=83256479&pname=Todd%20Grima&news_task=DETAIL

Please note the Mariners are not one of the TAC teams anymore. They play trial games against TAC sides three times a year or something like that.

Here's an interview with the Grima family http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/tas/content/2005/s1415519.htm

[outback jack]

Stiffy,

i've not been clear enough, I have every confidence in our recruiting team. I am talking about on here.

there is not a single overlooked or delisted player I care whether we get or not. If they go to Collingwood, Port whoever. couldn't care less.
it's the idea that somehow a great prospect got away? no they didn't.
a roll of the dice got away, that's all.

I don't think the odds on one players versus another are much different at this stage. they are all long shots.

crow-mosone,

when you post like this i find it amusing.:D

Why is that?

Jack.

[outback jack]

they're all project players, that's why they've been overlooked.

thats not the reason, its cause they have low talent or whats deemed fatal flaws at afl level. Apart from the rucks, no rookie listed player is expected to be anymore 'project' than the majority of picks taken in the draft, many of which are project types anyway.

[Crow-mosone]

crow-mosone,

when you post like this i find it amusing.:D

Why is that?

Jack.

who knows jackie, who knows? :D

[Drummond]

Let me just say that if the Crows have the oppertuniy to draft Elliot and we pass on it, I will be very disappointed.

[Ad76]

Let me just say that if the Crows have the oppertuniy to draft Elliot and we pass on it, I will be very disappointed.


Why? They already HAD a chance to draft him and passed on it.

[Crow-mosone]

Let me just say that if the Crows have the oppertuniy to draft Elliot and we pass on it, I will be very disappointed.

better get ready for some more disappointment then.

oh and to warm you up:

~ahem~

Father Christmas isn't real :eek:

[Kristof]

Why? They already HAD a chance to draft him and passed on it.

Jeez, don't get him started.

[Ad76]

Jeez, don't get him started.

sorry mate :D

[drakeyv2]

Father Christmas isn't real

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Ford Fairlane]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Sorry, but it's been scientifically proven ...

Scientific evidence against the existence of Santa Claus

Does Santa Claus exist?

1)
No known species of a reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms, which have yet to be classified. And although these are mostly insects and bacteria, this may not exclude flying reindeer, which were only seen by Santa so far.

2)
There are around 2 million children (people under 18) in this world. BUT Santa seems not to deliver to Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhists. This reduces his work to approx. 15 % of the total - 378 million children (according to census). On an average of 3.5 children per household, yields 91.8 million houses. We suppose that in every house lives at least one good child.

3)
If Santa claus is travelling from East to West, he has a 31-hour-Christmas Day, conditioned by the several timezones (which seems to be logical). Therefore you have 822.6 visits per second. Consequently for every Christian household with good children Santa has 1/1000 seconds time for his work: park, jump out of his sleigh, come down the chimney, fill the socks, distribute the remaining presents under the Christmas-Tree, exterminate the leftover of the Christmas meal, climb up the chimney again and fly to the next house. Assume that every of these 91.8 million stops around the world are equal (which of course, we know, is wrong, but for fundamental calculation we will accept this), so we get 1.3 km distance between households, an overall distance of 120.8 million km, not including the things which everyone of us has to do at least once in 31 hours, plus getting a meal, etc. This means, that Santa's sleigh flies at 1040 km per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For comparision: the fastest manmade vehicle in the world, the Ulysses Space Probe, drives with a ridiculous speed of 43.8 km per second. An ordinary reindeer travels at speeds of upto 24 km per HOUR.

4)
The freight of the sleigh leads to another interesting effect. Assume that every child gets no more than a medium-sized Lego-Set (approx. 1 kg), then the sleigh has a weight of 378,000 tons, not including Santa, to everyone's knowledge is an overweight man. An ordinary reindeer cannot carry more than 175 kg. Even if we assume, that a "flying reindeer" (according to top 1) can carry the ten-fold weight, not eight or maybe nine reindeer's are used for the sleigh. 216,000 reindeer's are used. This raises the weight - not included the sleigh itself - to 410,400 tons. Again to comparision: this is more than the fourfold weight of Queen Elisabeth.

5)
410,400 tons travelling at a speed of 1040 km/s produces a huge air opposition - thus the reindeer will burn up, like a space craft entering the earth's atmosphere. The foremost pair of reindeer must absorb then 16.6 TRILLION Joules of energy. Every second. Otherwise: they will go up in flames practically instantaneously, the next pair of reindeer will be exposed to the air opposition, and a deafening bang will be produced. The whole team of reindeer will be vaporised within 5 thousandths of a second. In the meantime Santa will be exposed to an accelaration, 17,500 times the speed of the earth's revolution. A 120 kg heavy Santa claus (which is ridiculously light after the description) would be nailed to the end of his sleigh - with a power of 20.6 million Newtons. So we are getting to the end:

IF Santa Claus finally managed to deliver the presents, today he must be DEAD!!!

[Wayne's-World]

You have killed of some dreams - hope your happy:D

[Drummond]

better get ready for some more disappointment then.
I am not getting ready to be disappointed because we will select him, and he will become a great player for the AFC.
oh and to warm you up:

~ahem~

Father Christmas isn't real :eek:
No need to go that far, we all know he exists. I will not hear otherwise.

[cro_Magnum]

Sorry, but it's been scientifically proven ...

Scientific evidence against the existence of Santa Claus

Does Santa Claus exist?

1)
No known species of a reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms, which have yet to be classified. And although these are mostly insects and bacteria, this may not exclude flying reindeer, which were only seen by Santa so far.

2)
There are around 2 million children (people under 18) in this world. BUT Santa seems not to deliver to Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhists. This reduces his work to approx. 15 % of the total - 378 million children (according to census). On an average of 3.5 children per household, yields 91.8 million houses. We suppose that in every house lives at least one good child.

3)
If Santa claus is travelling from East to West, he has a 31-hour-Christmas Day, conditioned by the several timezones (which seems to be logical). Therefore you have 822.6 visits per second. Consequently for every Christian household with good children Santa has 1/1000 seconds time for his work: park, jump out of his sleigh, come down the chimney, fill the socks, distribute the remaining presents under the Christmas-Tree, exterminate the leftover of the Christmas meal, climb up the chimney again and fly to the next house. Assume that every of these 91.8 million stops around the world are equal (which of course, we know, is wrong, but for fundamental calculation we will accept this), so we get 1.3 km distance between households, an overall distance of 120.8 million km, not including the things which everyone of us has to do at least once in 31 hours, plus getting a meal, etc. This means, that Santa's sleigh flies at 1040 km per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For comparision: the fastest manmade vehicle in the world, the Ulysses Space Probe, drives with a ridiculous speed of 43.8 km per second. An ordinary reindeer travels at speeds of upto 24 km per HOUR.

4)
The freight of the sleigh leads to another interesting effect. Assume that every child gets no more than a medium-sized Lego-Set (approx. 1 kg), then the sleigh has a weight of 378,000 tons, not including Santa, to everyone's knowledge is an overweight man. An ordinary reindeer cannot carry more than 175 kg. Even if we assume, that a "flying reindeer" (according to top 1) can carry the ten-fold weight, not eight or maybe nine reindeer's are used for the sleigh. 216,000 reindeer's are used. This raises the weight - not included the sleigh itself - to 410,400 tons. Again to comparision: this is more than the fourfold weight of Queen Elisabeth.

5)
410,400 tons travelling at a speed of 1040 km/s produces a huge air opposition - thus the reindeer will burn up, like a space craft entering the earth's atmosphere. The foremost pair of reindeer must absorb then 16.6 TRILLION Joules of energy. Every second. Otherwise: they will go up in flames practically instantaneously, the next pair of reindeer will be exposed to the air opposition, and a deafening bang will be produced. The whole team of reindeer will be vaporised within 5 thousandths of a second. In the meantime Santa will be exposed to an accelaration, 17,500 times the speed of the earth's revolution. A 120 kg heavy Santa claus (which is ridiculously light after the description) would be nailed to the end of his sleigh - with a power of 20.6 million Newtons. So we are getting to the end:

IF Santa Claus finally managed to deliver the presents, today he must be DEAD!!!

Here's proof he does exist

Σ(Tooth Fairy x 2Mermaid)3 - √Easter Bunny = Santa Claus
π {½Leprechaun} X 2Ω (Puff the Magic Dragon)

[Kristof]

Getting back on topic ...

I think McEntee seems best avilable talent and should be taken PSD. We're carrying a lot of ruckmen, but it gives us some trade options at the end of the year. He won't last until our first PSD pick.

Grima for first rookie selection, as he might last, and if not I'd go with Logan. Elliot or Bode for second pick, and hwo knows from there.

[Crowked]

Sorry, but it's been scientifically proven ...

Scientific evidence against the existence of Santa Claus

Does Santa Claus exist?

1)
No known species of a reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms, which have yet to be classified. And although these are mostly insects and bacteria, this may not exclude flying reindeer, which were only seen by Santa so far.

2)
There are around 2 million children (people under 18) in this world. BUT Santa seems not to deliver to Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhists. This reduces his work to approx. 15 % of the total - 378 million children (according to census). On an average of 3.5 children per household, yields 91.8 million houses. We suppose that in every house lives at least one good child.

3)
If Santa claus is travelling from East to West, he has a 31-hour-Christmas Day, conditioned by the several timezones (which seems to be logical). Therefore you have 822.6 visits per second. Consequently for every Christian household with good children Santa has 1/1000 seconds time for his work: park, jump out of his sleigh, come down the chimney, fill the socks, distribute the remaining presents under the Christmas-Tree, exterminate the leftover of the Christmas meal, climb up the chimney again and fly to the next house. Assume that every of these 91.8 million stops around the world are equal (which of course, we know, is wrong, but for fundamental calculation we will accept this), so we get 1.3 km distance between households, an overall distance of 120.8 million km, not including the things which everyone of us has to do at least once in 31 hours, plus getting a meal, etc. This means, that Santa's sleigh flies at 1040 km per second, 3,000 times the speed of sound. For comparision: the fastest manmade vehicle in the world, the Ulysses Space Probe, drives with a ridiculous speed of 43.8 km per second. An ordinary reindeer travels at speeds of upto 24 km per HOUR.

4)
The freight of the sleigh leads to another interesting effect. Assume that every child gets no more than a medium-sized Lego-Set (approx. 1 kg), then the sleigh has a weight of 378,000 tons, not including Santa, to everyone's knowledge is an overweight man. An ordinary reindeer cannot carry more than 175 kg. Even if we assume, that a "flying reindeer" (according to top 1) can carry the ten-fold weight, not eight or maybe nine reindeer's are used for the sleigh. 216,000 reindeer's are used. This raises the weight - not included the sleigh itself - to 410,400 tons. Again to comparision: this is more than the fourfold weight of Queen Elisabeth.

5)
410,400 tons travelling at a speed of 1040 km/s produces a huge air opposition - thus the reindeer will burn up, like a space craft entering the earth's atmosphere. The foremost pair of reindeer must absorb then 16.6 TRILLION Joules of energy. Every second. Otherwise: they will go up in flames practically instantaneously, the next pair of reindeer will be exposed to the air opposition, and a deafening bang will be produced. The whole team of reindeer will be vaporised within 5 thousandths of a second. In the meantime Santa will be exposed to an accelaration, 17,500 times the speed of the earth's revolution. A 120 kg heavy Santa claus (which is ridiculously light after the description) would be nailed to the end of his sleigh - with a power of 20.6 million Newtons. So we are getting to the end:

IF Santa Claus finally managed to deliver the presents, today he must be DEAD!!!

nanananananananananananananana, fingers in ears!!!

I'm not listening!!

I want my bloody Roboraptor and Santa not existing is not going to cut it. I demand my Roboraptor.:o

[drakeyv2]

Sorry, but it's been scientifically proven ...

Scientific evidence against the existence of Santa Claus

Trust a ********ing Port supporter to tell everyone there is no such thing as Father Christmas!

[dirtydog444]

Back to thread topic, you bunch of synical misfits. Does anyone have any info on who looked the goods at rookie camp.....and by the way I'm still leaving my cookies and beer out for the old fella..:p

[Markthirtytwo]

Back to thread topic, you bunch of synical misfits. Does anyone have any info on who looked the goods at rookie camp.....and by the way I'm still leaving my cookies and beer out for the old fella..:p


You leave cookies and beer out for your old fella and you call us a bunch of synical misfits.

Have a good long ...............................................look at your self. :eek:

[Wayne's-World]

You leave cookies and beer out for your old fella and you call us a bunch of synical misfits.

Have a good long ...............................................look at your self. :eek:
Mark it was said in humour?

[macca23]

Let me just say that if the Crows have the oppertuniy to draft Elliot and we pass on it, I will be very disappointed.

I'm sure you will be Sam.

Still another club might pick you up!! ;)

[Crowz Gal]

Trust a ********ing Port supporter to tell everyone there is no such thing as Father Christmas!

Thats just so he can get out of buying chrissy presents...
Yes there is a Santa and he lives inside every childs heart:)

[Crow-mosone]

Thats just so he can get out of buying chrissy presents...


surely, you meant to say he was trying to get out of searching for unlocked windows and back doors ;)

[- PC -]

As I understand it, he's been playing with the Northern Bombers in the North Tassie League and his form has been good enough there to be promoted to play with the Tassie Devils in the VFL.

Basically he's a boy that has been playing against men and his form has been good enough to keep going up a level during the year. Now that's a good sign.

Jerome you have highlighted the Ben Hudson syndrome. A player who steps up against the level of opposition he plays against.
It was said of BH that each of his preceding 3 years before being drafted, he played a higher level each year and got better.

I would prefer a player who has played against men over a player who has dominated his own age group.

[- PC -]

I think the reasoning of rookies has changed.

I think it used to be for those players who were ''left '' over from the main draft, now it is more for those ''project'' players.

Those kids with a set of skills which a coach wants eg endurance etc..but little skills.

So the project is to work on skills while keeping endurance as the basis

My 2c

[dirtydog444]

I'm sure you will be Sam.

Still another club might pick you up!! ;)



Drummond is not Sam Elliott. I told you before he has never and would never be caught dead posting on BF............although he occassionally reads it for a laugh....

[Markthirtytwo]

Mark it was said in humour?


That was my sense of it as well WW if you read my reply again.:o

[GoSarge]

Excuse my ignorance, but exactly when is the PSD and rookie draft ?

[crows98]

Excuse my ignorance, but exactly when is the PSD and rookie draft ?

This Saturday 10th of December

PSD followed by the Rookie draft

[Gets!]

I was pretty sure it was on the 13th of December?

Both on the same day...

[crows98]

I was pretty sure it was on the 13th of December?

Both on the same day...



Correct, my bad :(

And he predicts at least half of the 13 players who took part in the Crows' rookie camp last week will find their way to an AFL club at next Tuesday's pre-season and rookie drafts.

Sorry it is on Tuesday. :o

[Ford Fairlane]

nanananananananananananananana, fingers in ears!!!

I'm not listening!!

I want my bloody Roboraptor and Santa not existing is not going to cut it. I demand my Roboraptor.:o

Too bad, I bought the last one! Muahahahaha.

[Ford Fairlane]

surely, you meant to say he was trying to get out of searching for unlocked windows and back doors ;)

Unlike Santa, some things never lose their magic ... ;)

[Ford Fairlane]

Oh and just so you don't accuse me of dragging this thread OT all the time, it was reported in today's tiser that Bonnadio, Grima and Porplyzia are continuing to train with the crows, with Porplyzia firming as your PSD pick.

Bode, Lower and Rischbeith went back to train with Port of the ones we had a shared interest in.

[GoSarge]

Oh and just so you don't accuse me of dragging this thread OT all the time, it was reported in today's tiser that Bonnadio, Grima and Porplyzia are continuing to train with the crows, with Porplyzia firming as your PSD pick.

Bode, Lower and Rischbeith went back to train with Port of the ones we had a shared interest in.

Makes sense. I think we are one KPP short (Stevens, Watts, Smith and Krueger gone and only Obst replacing them so far) and will probably take one of Grima or Bonnadio, perhaps both.

Porplyzia would be a good addition to the Crows main list. Mature SANFL player with good skills, but is still young enough to add a new dimension to the Crows midfield for years to come.

[Crowz Gal]

surely, you meant to say he was trying to get out of searching for unlocked windows and back doors ;)

Or chimmneys;)

That explains whose been eating my milk and cookies then;) Too bad he keeps leaving the carrots!!!

[Gets!]

PSD - Porpylzia.

RD- Grima, Bonnadio and Bode.

[- PC -]

PSD - Porpylzia.

RD- Grima, Bonnadio and Bode.
Would be happy with that

[SpringChoke]

PSD - Porpylzia.

RD- Grima, Bonnadio and Bode.

Why only 3 rookies?

[SpringChoke]

Makes sense. I think we are one KPP short (Stevens, Watts, Smith and Krueger gone and only Obst replacing them so far) and will probably take one of Grima or Bonnadio, perhaps both.

Porplyzia would be a good addition to the Crows main list. Mature SANFL player with good skills, but is still young enough to add a new dimension to the Crows midfield for years to come.

Haven't we already "been there, done that" with Porplyzia though?

[Dolemite]

PSD - Porpylzia.

RD- Grima, Bonnadio and Bode.

Has anyone heard about Bonaddio and how he is training? I know the word when he started training was lack of speed and agility but has he shown enough progress in these areas? The dude is huge and is a great mark and I hope Craig can mould hin into something.

[Markthirtytwo]

Haven't we already "been there, done that" with Porplyzia though?


He wasnt ready when on our rookie list a couple of years back.
Now he is ready, as Stiffy said late bloomer. :thumbsu:

[Vader]

Please, please, please don't take Porplyzia in either the PSD or the RD. Have we learned nothing from the past?

I'm against drafting him (and the drafting of Vince) on principle - haven't we learned that 20 something midfielders rarely have sufficient "upside" to justify their position on an AFL list? Rucks (eg Hudson) are different because of the long development time required for their larger bodies.

Not only is Porps 20+, but he's already been rejected by us once. Just how wise is it to be redrafting someone you've already rejected as not good enough?

Vince may be a different case, being a country boy who only came to light at an older age.

The only "upside" I can see to drafting Porps would be that we can sign him to a 1-year contract and delist him for the "Mother of all drafts" if he doesn't work out in 2006.

Now, I've never seen them play, so I don't know whether they're really any good or not. My statements are based on principle.

Having said all that, who would I be drafting? I would definitely be selecting Todd Grima due to the recent exodus of KPPs, with only Obst to replace them.

In the RD, I'd be looking at McEntee, Bode, Elliott & Rischbieth in that order (apologies if I have mis-spelled any names).

[macca23]

Having said all that, who would I be drafting? I would definitely be selecting Todd Grima due to the recent exodus of KPPs, with only Obst to replace them.

In the RD, I'd be looking at McEntee, Bode, Elliott & Rischbieth in that order (apologies if I have mis-spelled any names).

That makes a lot of sense to me - we are lean on future KPP forwards. As a Tassie boy he won't be wanting to go home either.

Not that I don't like the idea of having Porplyzia - he is as Stiffy has said "a late bloomer". He had an excellent year in the year just gone in a pretty poor side. However I'd be happy to gamble on getting him in the rookie draft, as we have a few young mid-fielders in our squad after the last 2 drafts.

In the rookie draft there's still quite a few likely lads to pick from and I wouldn't rule out taking 1 or more interstate lads in that draft - a la Jonathon Griffin. We should just pick the best available that meets our needs IMO.

[General Havelock]

That makes a lot of sense to me - we are lean on future KPP forwards. As a Tassie boy he won't be wanting to go home either.

Not that I don't like the idea of having Porplyzia - he is as Stiffy has said "a late bloomer". He had an excellent year in the year just gone in a pretty poor side. However I'd be happy to gamble on getting him in the rookie draft, as we have a few young mid-fielders in our squad after the last 2 drafts.

In the rookie draft there's still quite a few likely lads to pick from and I wouldn't rule out taking 1 or more interstate lads in that draft - a la Jonathon Griffin. We should just pick the best available that meets our needs IMO.

Jason Porplyzia is very likely to be there at our last pick in the rookie draft. Todd Grima is not, and therefore I reckon we should have a red hot crack at this lad.

[Crow-mosone]

Drummond is not Sam Elliott. I told you before he has never and would never be caught dead posting on BF............although he occassionally reads it for a laugh....

I'm sure he was laughing extra hard after the national draft :)

[Crow-mosone]

Please, please, please don't take Porplyzia in either the PSD or the RD. Have we learned nothing from the past?

I'm against drafting him (and the drafting of Vince) on principle - haven't we learned that 20 something midfielders rarely have sufficient "upside" to justify their position on an AFL list?

I don't know, everyone from Shane Tuck, through to Josh Francou, Roger James, Peter Bell and even Glenn Kilpatrick spring to mind.

[Stiffy_18]

Please, please, please don't take Porplyzia in either the PSD or the RD. Have we learned nothing from the past?

I'm against drafting him (and the drafting of Vince) on principle - haven't we learned that 20 something midfielders rarely have sufficient "upside" to justify their position on an AFL list? Rucks (eg Hudson) are different because of the long development time required for their larger bodies.
Surely you jest. Simon Goodwin, Martin Mattner, Josh Francou, Peter Bell, Roger James etc..

Those boys were all 20 or over when they got picked up. Quite simply some players are late bloomers. Porplyzia is one of those. Since when is age overly important when selecting a player on his football ability.
Not only is Porps 20+, but he's already been rejected by us once. Just how wise is it to be redrafting someone you've already rejected as not good enough?We didn't delist him because he wasn't good enough. We delisted him because we weren't sure about his ability to bulk up and play multiple positions. As a youngster he was a skinny back pocket type. Now he is a mature body that can play anywhere.

Its very wise to draft him if we see him as good enough. How wise was it for us to draft a 20 year old Goodwin or how wise was it for Port to draft a 22 year old Francou??????

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Surely you jest. Simon Goodwin, Martin Mattner, Josh Francou, Peter Bell, Roger James etc..

Those boys were all 20 or over when they got picked up. Quite simply some players are late bloomers. Fantasia is one of those. Since when is age overly important when selecting a player on his football ability.
We didn't delist him because he wasn't good enough. We delisted him because we weren't sure about his ability to bulk up and play multiple positions. As a youngster he was a skinny back pocket type. Now he is a mature body that can play anywhere.

Its very wise to draft him if we see him as good enough. How wise was it for us to draft a 20 year old Goodwin or how wise was it for Port to draft a 22 year old Francou??????
A very late bloomer is Fantasia, but I think age may well be an important factor here.
I think he did play back pocket for Norwood and he certainly isn't skinny