View Full Version : The Jarman Brothers.
aaricho
30 Nov 2005, 21:38
My son and I are having a discussion about who we thought was the better footballer, Darren or Andrew Jarman.
Taking into account their entire carreer in SANFL and AFL. I think Darren was the better player even though Andrew won a Magarey.
Thoughts ??
Stiffy_18
30 Nov 2005, 21:50
Both outstanding players IMHO but I think Darren was better player overall.
Andrew had the cleanest hands in traffic I have ever seen. His quick feed handballs were exceptional while Fudd was an exceptional kick of the footy on either side of his body.
Both supremely gifted footballers who could turn a game with a bit of Jarman magic.
Crow-mosone
30 Nov 2005, 21:50
not much doubt that darren was the better player.
Andrew much underrated in some quarters.
Andrew Was a much more consistent performer, he also could handle taggers much much better.
If all games had player points and their careers were compared Andrew would out point Darren easily.
If I had to pick a team of Jarman's I would have 10 Andrews and 8 Darrens.
So for me Andrew was the better player.
And it was 2 Magareys
Andrew Was a much more consistent performer, he also could handle taggers much much better.
If all games had player points and their careers were compared Andrew would out point Darren easily.
If I had to pick a team of Jarman's I would have 10 Andrews and 8 Darrens.
So for me Andrew was the better player.
And it was 2 Magareys
Exactly!!! Darren got the glory but Andrew was slightly the better player. He is also a much better coach.
Andrew Jarman IMO.
Darren could win you games on his own but just like most gifted people are, if he wasn't giving 100%, then it was close to 0% at times. All or nothing, if that makes sense.
aaricho
30 Nov 2005, 22:17
Exactly!!! Darren got the glory but Andrew was slightly the better player. He is also a much better coach.
Agreed they were both very talented players and Darren had a longer AFL carreer but I still think after seeing a lot of both of them in the SANFL that Darren seemed to be a more natural footballer.
I`m sure Darren and Andrew have had this same disscussion many times...............:D
Crow-mosone
30 Nov 2005, 22:29
I thought Andrew could've been our own Greg Williams at AFL level, but his exploits were mostly on a smaller stage. I can't think of many times between say 1989 onwards that Darren wasn't considered a clearly better player.
He's one of the great talents of the last 25 years.
aaricho
30 Nov 2005, 22:33
What Andrew lacked in pace he made up for with skill. With an extra yard of pace, who knows what he could have been.
Crow-mosone
30 Nov 2005, 23:01
What Andrew lacked in pace he made up for with skill. With an extra yard of pace, who knows what he could have been.
only to some extent. Andrew was very good either side, but he didn't have a lot of penetration. He was an extractor, and he was clever, a fast thinker - he didn't need to be a lot quicker physically.
By comparison Darren was instinctive, he just knew how much time he had or where to go. Andrew could see it before others, Darren just knew.
Darren was by far the more direct player with real penetration, and to use today's parlance "hurt factor". Andrew could pfaff around with it at times.
Someone asked a few days ago how highly these two would be regarded if they were Victorian, and they would've been footy royalty.
drakeyv2
1 Dec 2005, 08:05
Andrew touched the ball more often than Darren. Darren hurt the opposition more per touch.
Also Andrew's best footy was probably player for North before 1991. He was sensational from 85-87 in the guts for North.
Markthirtytwo
1 Dec 2005, 08:05
Fudd for me as the better player. I guess those GFs' had something to do with it as well.
With Andrew you sometimes didnt get all you should have from him IMO. He also used to get under my skin how he would get pinged to tackling too high, albeit at the back of the neck or just below it and wouldnt change his ways.
His hands were so quick that the maggots used to ping him for throwing.
They should have been made to sit down and watch him on slowmo.
Basically the club should have got more out of him for the talent he possessed.
With Andrew you sometimes didnt get all you should have from him IMO. He also used to get under my skin how he would get pinged to tackling too high, albeit at the back of the neck or just below it and wouldnt change his ways.
That was a trait of Darren's too. Their tackling was often too reckless, in the same way Scott Thompson is. In fact, I reckon Darren was worse in that regard than Andrew ever was.
Darren had a reputation at Hawthorn for going missing a bit and until 97 never really lived down his reputation of being a poor finals performer. While I saw a lot more of him once he moved to the Crows, to me he seemed to improve his consistency later in his career (i.e. with us). Andrew, while part of the problem and has himself partly to blame, was at the Crows during tumultuous times with coaches who couldn't maintain the respect the of the playing group. Had Andrew come through slightly later, and maybe joined the Crows when Darren did, I think he would now have a reputation similar to Darren, but as it stands, Darren will go down in history as the superior player.
It's a bit like the recent interview with Michael Holding on SEN when he was asked about the Chappell brothers. He said that Ian was the one all the West Indian bowlers feared - both Ian and Greg could do tremendous damage to you, but Ian was the one who would make you look stupid while he did it.
For me, that is why DJ gets the edge.
cro_Magnum
1 Dec 2005, 14:19
Andrew set up the plays, Darren finished them.
Andrew was a great handballer, Darren was a great kick.
Both had football instincts and played to their strengths. And both had their off field problems, with Andrew being disruptive (but at least there), and Darren reneging at the last minute on a handshake deal with Bob Hammond to join the inaugural squad (we would have won the 93 flag if he was there).
Crow-mosone
1 Dec 2005, 19:39
Andrew touched the ball more often than Darren. Darren hurt the opposition more per touch.
Also Andrew's best footy was probably player for North before 1991. He was sensational from 85-87 in the guts for North.
I agree Andrew's best footy was early, but for the most part both players averaged about 21 touches at AFL level. In some seasons Darren got more of it, and we all know he was more damaging with it.
Its conjecture...but I'm sure had they played together for the Crows from the very first game...both would have been better players for it.
Darren was considered very laid back & a slow track worker at Hawthorn; and Andrew couldn't be told anything...
Great and greatly talented both, but what could have been ???????
Had they both played in Melbourne would have been superstars....
I'll take DJ by a nose. Both greats of not just our club but SA football though.
Leaping Lindner
2 Dec 2005, 11:42
Its conjecture...but I'm sure had they played together for the Crows from the very first game...both would have been better players for it.Darren was considered very laid back & a slow track worker at Hawthorn; and Andrew couldn't be told anything...
Great and greatly talented both, but what could have been ???????
Had they both played in Melbourne would have been superstars....
I'm not so sure about that, Andrew maybe but not Darren. Darren's best year at North Adelaide was 1990 and he was hardly a passenger at Hawthorn in the 5 seasons he was there (he was their B&F in 95). He seemed to excel when out of Andrew's shadow.His first BOG at North was when Andrew was out injured and he played in the Centre (against Collingwood at Waverley in the night comp: )
Which is better? Well I saw every game these two played at North live and most of their games at Adelaide and/or Hawthorn on either the TV or live and it's like asking me which is my favourite child.:D I will say (although I hate to)that if Darren had been more consistent he'd be talked about as one of the greatest EVER.
Leaping Lindner
2 Dec 2005, 11:43
Andrew set up the plays, Darren finished them.
Andrew was a great handballer, Darren was a great kick.
Both had football instincts and played to their strengths. And both had their off field problems, with Andrew being disruptive (but at least there), and Darren reneging at the last minute on a handshake deal with Bob Hammond to join the inaugural squad (we would have won the 93 flag if he was there).
Better ask one Mr D.N Kerley about that one.
Cove Cobra
2 Dec 2005, 21:29
DJ, easily.
Both had distinguished careers with the AFC but one was quite chequered, whilst the other made his name somewhere else, came back a champion and turned himself into a Hero.
Threre is NO DOUBT he won us the GF against St. Kilda.
Kudo's to AJ though, he has turned a rabble (roosters) into a force, proving that his larrikinism was showmanship.
AJ's passion for the game outshines his brother.