View Full Version : Would You Ever Order the Bowler to Underarm?
Scenario:
You are an international one day captain and the opposition needs six runs of the last ball to tie the match.
Assuming this type of delivery was still legal, would there ever be a circumstance in which you would order the bowler to bowl an underarm delivery?
Or would you let the batsman chip the ball into the outfield and run seven. :)
i_luv_westcoast
6 Nov 2001, 19:57
If that rule existed, every delivery would be bowled underarm :)
No. The chances of the batsman scoring a six off the last ball is not great, I wouldn't have thought.
I must ask, why did Chappel think that the batsman would score a six off that particular delivery? Was the batsman in good form? How likely was he to score a six?
Play on the batsman was in mighty form.
Being the number 11 batsman in all and facing his first delivery. :)
By the way was that the series that Lance Cairns hit six sixes at the MCG? Anybody know.
dogboy23
6 Nov 2001, 20:41
I can see a reply from Duck Smuth coming here.;)
GoEagles
6 Nov 2001, 21:24
Depends if its the world cup final! Firstly, I wouldn't want to see the underarm ball being legal and second It wouldn't be in the best interests of the game to have bowlers bowling underarm. So a big fat NO from moi.
I saw Richie Benaud talking about this & he said that Doug Walters(I think) found a way of countering this.When the bowler bowls it along the ground you meet the ball with the side of your boot & sort of flick it up the way that bowlers sometimes do when the ball comes to them & then you slog the F*** out of it when its sitting up nicely in front of you.I reckon it could actually work the only trouble is from getting given out LBW if the balls on target but I reckon if the bowler was the sort of low down snake to bowl it I don't reckon many umpires would have the front to give the batter out for doing this.
That wouldn't work Dipper...if you read the rules carefully you'd be out "hit the ball twice"
I would never order a bowler to bowl underarm even if it was legal. It's not in the nature of the game. It's all about fair play, and if a batsmen is good enough to hit a six off the last ball of the innings, then they deserve to win the game. As a captain, you should have enough confidence in your bowlers, to stop a six from happening.
Originally posted by Fat Red
That wouldn't work Dipper...if you read the rules carefully you'd be out "hit the ball twice"
Really?I didn't know that, so how do they differentiate in the rules between that & the ball flicking someones pad before hitting the bat?:confused:
i think fat red is right, but im not 100 per cent sure.
i think if the ball hits anywhere on you, not neccesarilly the bat, and u deliberately hit it a second time for runs then you can be given out.
But im not entirely sure.
It may be out hit the ball twice, if you hit it twice with the bat.
bunsen burner
7 Nov 2001, 21:01
absolutely no way.
Greg Chappell lost all respect that day. Apparently it is something he deeply regrets and it took him a long time to get over it. Didn't anyone notice that he more or less disappeared after he retired from cricket? If he did have any intentions of being in the media, that all but snuffed out his chances.
The Hippie
7 Nov 2001, 21:16
I wouldn't say he disappeared, he's been a coach and administrator for a lot of years, still is as far as I know. Just because you go into the media doesn't mean you automatically have an influence on the game. He's probably giving more back to the game this way than being on TV.
Fat Red
13 Nov 2001, 11:45
Originally posted by DIPPER
Really?I didn't know that, so how do they differentiate in the rules between that & the ball flicking someones pad before hitting the bat?:confused:
I'm not quoting here, just from memory, the question is whether you attempt to play the ball for a second time.
So you can be out hit the ball twice, and you didn't even hit the ball once:D
Fat Red
13 Nov 2001, 11:45
Originally posted by The Hippie
I wouldn't say he disappeared, he's been a coach and administrator for a lot of years, still is as far as I know. Just because you go into the media doesn't mean you automatically have an influence on the game. He's probably giving more back to the game this way than being on TV.
That's right, and anyway he was a Channel 9 commentator for a few seasons, as well as chairman of Australian selectors. He's hardly a pariah.
Booze Hound
14 Nov 2001, 20:18
Dipper
For a batsman to be out Hit the Ball Twice the act must be "willful" acording to the Laws.
Trust me, I'm a qualified umpire.
Originally posted by Booze Hound
Dipper
Trust me, I'm a qualified umpire.
So is Daryl Harper, never prompted him to learn the LBW laws.
Originally posted by Booze Hound
Dipper
For a batsman to be out Hit the Ball Twice the act must be "willful" acording to the Laws.
Trust me, I'm a qualified umpire.
So Boozy just to gets this straight if a bowler bowled underarm(when it was allowed) & the batter met the ball with the side of his foot & flicked it up & then smashed it for 6, assuming that he wasn't going to be given out LBW.Would he be given out for 'willfully' hitting the ball twice or would it stand.
& yes I do trust you.....well as much as I trust anyone in any positon of authority(which is about as far as I can throw them):D
BTW there is an uncanny similarity in your interests column to mine on your profile, you've just replaced women with Tai Chi, you probably just don't like to brag.LOL!
Funnily enough I do a bit of Tai Chi myself, great for the old hangover.
Booze Hound
15 Nov 2001, 00:12
Dipper.
If the Captains and Umpires had agreed before the match that under arm deliveries were legal and that situation came about, subject to appeal the umpire would consider the LBW then the Hit the Ball Twice in that order. I believe I'm correct in saying that the ball becomes dead having been wilfully struck the 2nd time but I will check that out.
I hadn't noticed your profile until you pointed out our clash of interests. Tai Chi is helpful for relaxing after dealing with women. A couple of 'wave hands like clouds' or 'fair lady cheats at shuttles' really takes the mind off things (that'll intrigue them).
vanders
15 Nov 2001, 13:46
nope never...stupid stuppid stupid.
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Jars458
16 Nov 2001, 10:10
Originally posted by Fat Red
That's right, and anyway he was a Channel 9 commentator for a few seasons, as well as chairman of Australian selectors. He's hardly a pariah.
He is now
He's coaching the REDBACKS!!:eek: :D ;)
Groucho
17 Nov 2001, 18:20
Can't happen now. The underarm delivery was officially banned from cricket not long after the Trevor/Greg Chappell "incident".
Booze Hound
21 Nov 2001, 23:27
Actually, underarm bowling was officially banned for the first time in the Law Revision last year.
But, like any of the Laws, it can be amended if both captains and umoires agree before the start of the game.