Blast from the past - BigFooty 2001 Phantom Draft

[Weaver]

4 seasons later, don't reckon we did too bad ...

(link (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2167))

1 Chris Judd - Hawthorn
2 Luke Hodge - St Kilda
3 Graham Polak - West Coast
4 Ashley Sampi - Fremantle
5 Luke Ball - St Kilda
6 Sam Power - West Coast
7 Xavier Clarke - North Melbourne
8 James Bartel - Geelong
9 David Hale - Melbourne
10 Steve Johnson - Bulldogs
11 Richard Cole - Collingwood
12 Mark Jamar - Adelaide
13 Barry Brooks - St Kilda
14 Steven Armstrong - North Melbourne
15 Ashley Hansen - Port Adelaide
16 Jordan Barham - Hawthorn
17 David Rodan - Geelong
18 Nick Dal Santo - Essendon
19 Quinten Lynch - Brisbane

20 Daniel Elstone - Hawthorn
21 Mark McGough - St Kilda
22 Damon White - West Coast
23 Cameron Croad - Geelong
24 Matt McCarthy - Geelong
25 Tom Davidson - Melbourne
26 Andrew Carrazzo - Melbourne
27 Rod Crowe - Collingwood
28 Lewis Roberts-Thomson - Sydney
29 Luke Molan - Sydney
30 Joshua Dicketts - North Melbourne
31 Charlie Gardiner - Essendon
32 Shane Harvey - Hawthorn
33 Brent Reilly - Richmond
34 Rick Ladson - Essendon
35 Ben Finnin - Brisbane

36 John Baird - Hawthorn
37 Ryan Brown - St Kilda
38 Ashley Watson - West Coast
39 Jonathon Robran - Carlton
40 Gary Ablett - Geelong
41 Paul Johnson - Geelong
42 Aaron Rogers - Bulldogs
43 Mark Seaby - Collingwood
44 Hugh Foott - Adelaide
45 Nathan Street - Nathan Street
46 Jarrad Waite - Carlton
47 Craig Glancy - Essendon
48 Sam Mitchell - Hawthorn
49 Andrew Welsh - St Kilda
50 Simon O Keefe - Essendon
51 Steven Eichner - Brisbane

52 Justin Davies, Fremantle
53 James Kelly, Sydney
54 Aidan Parker, Kangaroos
55 Josh Houlihan, Melbourne
56 Kieran McGuiness, Fremantle
57 Tristen Walker, Claremont
58 Henry Playfair, Collingwood
59 Campbell Brown, Adelaide
60 Adam Schneider, Sydney
61 Fabian Francis, Kangaroos
62 Ben Rutten, Port Adelaide
63 Leigh Montana, Richmond
64 Andrew Browne, Brisbane

65 Jacob Schuback, Fremantle
66 Daniel Hunt, St Kilda
67 Tim McKinnon, Richmond
68 Brent Moloney, Geelong
69 Brent Gutterson, Melbourne
70 Scott McGlone, Bulldogs
71 Clancy Rudeforth, Collingwood
72 Tyson Heinrich, Adelaide
73 Mark Powell, Sydney
74 Nathan Bock, Carlton
75 Simon Rosa, Bendigo Pioneers
76 Josh Rudd, Richmond
77 Michael Basile, Brisbane

78 Trent Henschel, St Kilda
79 Ben Kane, Kangaroos
80 Joel Reynolds, Geelong
81 Ben Schwarze, Melbourne
82 Robbie Ferraro, Bulldogs
83 Mark Dubyna, Sydney
84 Tim Fleming, Carlton
85 Tom Hooker, Richmond
86 Scott Cummings, Brisbane
87 Luke Guerra, St Kilda
88 Aaron Lord, Kangaroos
89 Andrew Carey, Bulldogs
90 Nick Thomas, Richmond

[mattyc2422]

16 Jordan Barham - Hawthorn

:D Shocker.

[evo]

Looking at all those quality names 'twas a great year to take as many juniors as possible.Must be the most successful draft ever in terms of numbers picked compared to success at AFL level.

Can only hope the class of 2004 will be nearly as good,for Richmonds sake.

[Unwritten_Law]

I'm glad it was Wells and not Bigfooty making Geelong's picks.

[Unwritten_Law]

edit: whoops. SJ is at 10 and Kelly is way down the order :o

Don't mind me.

[coasting]

Thank god for shoulder reconstructions.

[TheGeneral]

26 Andrew Carrazzo - Melbourne
Great judge of talent!:thumbsu:

Terrific player who has developed more than anyone expected and not bad for a rookie.

[Funkalicous]

Great judge of talent!:thumbsu:

Terrific player who has developed more than anyone expected and not bad for a rookie.

Did Geelong draft or rookie list him?

[Nightwolf]

Jeese, the Saints wouldve been laughing. Hodge and Ball:eek:

[Lynch drops a mark]

Quinten Lynch at 19 :D

[skywalk750]

Did Geelong draft or rookie list him?

Rookie

[skywalk750]

Cant really go wrong with that draft, unless you work for Collingwood

[nonchalance]

Jeese, the Saints wouldve been laughing. Hodge and Ball:eek:

That's what I was thinking.
But we would have got Dal Santo instead of Shane Harvey, so it may have been worth it.

[TheGeneral]

Thank god for shoulder reconstructions.
I know exactly what you mean!:p

[TheGeneral]

69 Brent Gutterson, Melbourne
OK VFL player
87 Luke Guerra, St Kilda
Who?:confused:

[Jarka]

4 seasons later, don't reckon we did too bad ...

(link (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2167))29 Luke Molan - Sydney

If only this really happened :o

[tiger of old]

4
33 Brent Reilly - Richmond

Dam you Crows:D

[andrew_embley]

nice Weaver :)

[Sylvia Saint]

Whoever picked Moloney at 68 (as a bottom ager) is a genius. He was overlooked in both 2001 and 2002.

[macca69]

Gee I am much happier with west coast's actual selections:D

[CharlieG]

53 James Kelly, Sydney


:( We took Hunt.

[vinnie_vegas69]

Cant really go wrong with that draft, unless you work for Collingwood
At least we would've got Mark Seaby instead of Mark McGough.

Pick #27 was used on Tom Davidson who, while talented, hasn't been able to stay fit and healthy, but I guess better than Rod Crowe

Pick #58 was used on Dane Swan, which was a very good get at that stage in the draft.

Pick #72 was used on Tristen Walker, who again, was a pretty good pick considering that he played footy at all.

That was indeed the tale of Collingwood's drafting from 2001-03 - Waste the early picks and then do better with the late ones.

[POBT]

Brisbane ended up with:

#19 Gram
#35 Wright
#45 Clarke
#51 Pass
#65 Pass

Not much better than BF's phantom.

[Damo7]

OK VFL player

Who?:confused:

Luke Guerra, younger brother of Brent. Was originally expexted to be better then Brent. I played cricket against Luke the other week.

[crazy_big_al]

62 Ben Rutten, Port Adelaide interesting

[Hoggy]

I thought we ********ed up picking Cole at 11, seems as though people on Bigfooty rated him the same as us... :rolleyes:

[liz]

:( We took Hunt.

Yeah, but only because Geelong ruined the cunning plan by drafting Kelly at no 17!

[Pharaoh]

No Matt McGuire anywhere there - looks like John Beveridge was the smartest man of all, picking Ball, Dal Santo and McGuire.

[FIGJAM]

11 Richard Cole - Collingwood
27 Rod Crowe - Collingwood
43 Mark Seaby - Collingwood
58 Henry Playfair, Collingwood
71 Clancy Rudeforth, Collingwood
I did ours. I have no idea who Clancy Rudeforth is!

Ordinary at best. I still did better than Judkins though! :D

[Bestbird]

I did ours. I have no idea who Clancy Rudeforth is!

Ordinary at best. I still did better than Judkins though! :D

Rudeforth was on the Eagles rookie list in 2004

I remmember him doing something really courageous in a Wiz cup game Vs Melbourne. His moment in the sun you could say



The thing that strikes me most about this phantom draft is the KPP's

None have really hit there straps yet in the AFL which shows that a lot of patience is required by Clubs when drafting these type of players.

[irel]

19 Quinten Lynch - Brisbane
35 Ben Finnin - Brisbane
51 Steven Eichner - Brisbane
64 Andrew Browne, Brisbane
77 Michael Basile, Brisbane
86 Scott Cummings, Brisbane

Oh dear.
That's OK.
Kinnear Beatson did not do any better with
Gram - traded to the Saints
Wright - gooone
Clarke - gooone
Pass
Pass

[Poptart]

BF phantom Draft:

10. Steve Johnson [Would have been a good pick up]
42. Aaron Rogers [would have been delisted by now]
57. Tristen Walker [may have been handy, hasn't exactly set the world on fire at the Pies]
71. Scott McGlone [who?]
83. Robbie Ferraro [who?]
89. Andrew Carey [who?]

Scotty Clayton's Picks:

10. Sam Power [51 games to date, rated at pick 6 on the BF Draft]
42. Kieren McGuiness [23 games, could be on his last chance this next season]
57. Brent Colbert [delisted, now at the Bullants - VFL]
71. Brian Harris [Super pick up at 71]
83. Aaron James [lol]

[Unwritten_Law]

BF Phantom Draft Geelong's Selections

8. James Bartel James Bartel
17. David Rodan James Kelly
23. Cameron Croad Steve Johnson
24. Matthew McCarthy Charlie Gardiner
40. Gary Ablett Gary Ablett
41. Paul Johnson Henry Playfair
68. Brent Moloney Matthew McCarthy
80. Joel Reynolds David Johnson

So the only one BF selected that has turned out to be a better player than Wells selection is Brent Moloney, who he drafted in the PSD the following year.

[recon]

BF Phantom Draft Geelong's Selections

8. James Bartel James Bartel
17. David Rodan James Kelly
23. Cameron Croad Steve Johnson
24. Matthew McCarthy Charlie Gardiner
40. Gary Ablett Gary Ablett
41. Paul Johnson Henry Playfair
68. Brent Moloney Matthew McCarthy
80. Joel Reynolds David Johnson

So the only one BF selected that has turned out to be a better player than Wells selection is Brent Moloney, who he drafted in the PSD the following year.

a dream draft for the cats, well done to wells

[jess-jess]

West Coast

Phantom Actual

3 Graham Polak Chris Judd
6 Sam Power Ashley Sampi
22 Damon White Mark Seaby
38 Ashley Watson Ashley Hansen


i like our actual picks a lot better than the predicted ones :thumbsu:

[Ausgard]

West Coast

Phantom Actual

3 Graham Polak Chris Judd
6 Sam Power Ashley Sampi
22 Damon White Mark Seaby
38 Ashley Watson Ashley Hansen


i like our actual picks a lot better than the predicted ones :thumbsu:

Bloody hell. Did West Coast have a Bloody Crystal ball or something ?

[White Czar]

2 Luke Hodge - St Kilda
5 Luke Ball - St Kilda


Christ :eek:

[Nightwolf]

West Coast


6 Sam Power Ashley Sampi

Id prefer Sam Power. Sampi for pick 6 cracks me up every time, LOL...

[SimonH]

If only this really happened :oDon't worry, we picked a dude who only played 8 games before getting dumped (oh, sorry, 'traded for pick 61'). Interesting that BF still had us picking Powell, but at pick 73, which it transpires is more like what he was worth.

Absolutely nailed it with Adam Schneider at pick 60. Getting the exact pick that far down the list ain't easy. Well done Weaver (or whomever did the pickin')!

Sydney's experience certainly bears out the theory that big men take time, care and love. Right up until mid-2005, you could make out a good case that LRT (BF pick 28, actual pick 29) was a screaming dud. This case was often made out by Sydney fans, during matches, in spectactular language. Then he turned it all around spectactularly, shows every sign of being a 150 gamer (injuries permitting) and was one of the better players on the park in the GF, to boot.

Bet St Kilda are kicking themselves they didn't pick Barry Brooks directly (rather than wait 3 years) and let Nick dal Santo slide to Essendon.

Not.

[jess-jess]

Id prefer Sam Power. Sampi for pick cracks me up every time, LOL...

i'm happy we got Samps with that pick, especially as he could very easily have gone to the dockers with pick 4 if the hawks had've taken Judd with their first pick, which lucky for us they didn't :thumbsu:

[wizard_9]

i'm happy we got Samps with that pick, especially as he could very easily have gone to the dockers with pick 4 if the hawks had've taken Judd with their first pick, which lucky for us they didn't :thumbsu:

Aslong as Polly was still around we were always taking him with pick 4.

[liz]

Right up until mid-2005, you could make out a good case that LRT (BF pick 28, actual pick 29) was a screaming dud. This case was often made out by Sydney fans, during matches, in spectactular language. Then he turned it all around spectactularly, shows every sign of being a 150 gamer (injuries permitting) and was one of the better players on the park in the GF, to boot.


Not entirely true. He received a RS nomination in his debut senior season and played some useful cameos during that year (including at least one, possibly two, goals in the QF against the Power). Last year he suffered a series of niggling injuries but whenever he was able to get onto the paddock for a reserves game he was an absolute standout (in my eyes, anyway).

It was only the first half of this season when he looked seriously out of place at AFL level. His improvement over the second half of the season came in considerable strides leading up to the GF. He didn't just pull that GF out of nowhere. Indeed, I reckon he probably played his "best ever senior game yet" at least five times in the second half of the year.

[~GURU~]

18 Nick Dal Santo - Essendon
Oh damm if only :(

[jess-jess]

Aslong as Polly was still around we were always taking him with pick 4.

He would have gone pick 3 had Judd gone pick 1 leaving Freo most probably with Sampi at 4 (there was that strong Brooks rumour around the time as well but i'll guess we'll never know who Freo would've picked as Judd didn't go pick 1!)

[benno87]

North Melbourne

Phantom Pick Actual Pick
7. Xavier Clarke David Hale
14. Steven Armstrong Ashley Watson
30. Joshua Dicketts Rod Crowe
54. Aiden Parker Ben Robbins
61. Fabian Francis Mick Martyn
80. Ben Kane Hugh Foott

- - -

Both pretty weak. Rod Crowe and Ashley Watson weren't up to AFL level. Mick Martyn and Ben Robbins were recruited for depth late in their careers, I think Robbins had a couple good tagging roles.

David Hale is the only player worth speaking of in the bunch. Has become our number one ruckman, IMO a good selection and 2006 will really show whether he can build up and become one of the AFL's premium ruckmen.

[mightysainters]

Saints would of liked Hodge and Ball but of course Hodge taken 1 so not our fault. Xavier is a starter in our team and adds flair. Dal Santo for Brookes geez i'm glad we didn't get Brookes... oh wait :(. Maguire not even listed and the best CHB this year should of been AA but let's not get into that instead of McGough geez i'm glad we didn't get McGough.... oh wait :( (at least we got him for nothing). Monty who will be a regular is a better pick up than Browne. And Welsh insead of Houlihan was the only mistake IMO. Beveridge had a great day that year.

Phantom Actual
2 Luke Hodge - St Kilda 2. Luke Ball - St Kilda
5 Luke Ball - St Kilda 5. Xavier Clarke
13 Barry Brooks - St Kilda 13. Nick Dal Santo
21 Mark McGough - St Kilda 21. Matt Maguire
37 Ryan Brown - St Kilda 37. Leigh Montagna
49 Andrew Welsh - St Kilda 49. Josh Houlihan
66 Daniel Hunt, St Kilda 67.
78 Trent Henschel, St Kilda 79.
87 Luke Guerra, St Kilda 88.

[Johnson#26]

Really good work.

Gee, Barham must have been unlucky. Was great in the TAC Cup GF '01.

[grub29]

2001 Big Footy Phantom Draft

[goodie23]

Phantom Actual
2 Luke Hodge - St Kilda 2. Luke Ball - St Kilda
5 Luke Ball - St Kilda 5. Xavier Clarke
13 Barry Brooks - St Kilda 13. Nick Dal Santo
21 Mark McGough - St Kilda 21. Matt Maguire
37 Ryan Brown - St Kilda 37. Leigh Montagna
49 Andrew Welsh - St Kilda 49. Josh Houlihan
66 Daniel Hunt, St Kilda 67.
78 Trent Henschel, St Kilda 79.
87 Luke Guerra, St Kilda 88.
I'd say John Beveridge wins by a nose. Ball and Hodge together would be incredibly awesome, but the rest of Beveridge's picks outweighs the benefit of having Hodge in the side. Only one dud from six picks is a fantastic result.

Surprised to see Goose Maguire sneak under Weaver's radar. He was justifying his high selection before his injury run, have to wait til next year to see if he can make his way back.

Interesting side note: we wound up with Brooks and McGough unfortunately.The Brooks trade is still one of the worst in the AFL.

[Winmar2Lockett]

I'd say John Beveridge wins by a nose. Ball and Hodge together would be incredibly awesome, but the rest of Beveridge's picks outweighs the benefit of having Hodge in the side. Only one dud from six picks is a fantastic result.

Surprised to see Goose Maguire sneak under Weaver's radar. He was justifying his high selection before his injury run, have to wait til next year to see if he can make his way back.

Interesting side note: we wound up with Brooks and McGough unfortunately.The Brooks trade is still one of the worst in the AFL.

The whisper that I heard was that Beveridge was sure that the Eagles and Dockers would take Polak or Sampi at #3 & #4 leaving Judd for the Saints at #5. Apparently as WC called out Judd's name they WC table looked directly over at the Saints table with a very large smile.

If only... a few flags may have been forthcoming with a midfield of Ball, Hayes, Dal, Harvey, Montagna &.... Judd.

[Mop]

Talk about a bump there.

Anyway, this made me laugh.

45 Nathan Street - Nathan Street
The bloke drafted himself.. probably why we haven't heard a peep.

Lynch at 19? Rookie list thankyou very much.

[Dixie Flatline]

1 Chris Judd Luke Hodge
16 Jordan Barham Rick Ladson
20 Daniel Elstone Daniel Elstone
32 Shane Harvey Campbell Brown
36 John Baird Sam Mitchell
48 Sam Mitchell Simon Cox

bold players were those taken by Hawthorn in the 2001 draft. Fair to say that our recruiters (Turnbull, from memory) did a better job in reality than the BF recruiters, though there was a lot of talk (I seem to recall) at the time that Baird would go to Hawthorn. Three of the four players recruited in 2001 have played 100+ games and I'm fairly sure that Ladson is very close to that milestone. Cox was a good player in a short space of time. Elstone delisted without playing a game.