View Full Version : Has Beau Waters been over-rated by WC fans?
Gunnar Longshanks
3 Dec 2005, 00:31
I think there's often a tendency to overload injured players with expectations.
There's tendency to look at missing players and say "Just wait until he gets back. We'll be awesome".
This is true of the way WC people anticipate Beau Waters' return.
I hope he has a good season, but aren't we forgetting that he's only played a dozen games. There's no guarantee that he'll slot straight into our best 22.
Yet several posters already have him pencilled in as a Worsfold clone who can play anywhere on the ground. This is ridiculous. He's a kid who is still learning how to play AFL.
I don't mean to sound negative, but if Collingwood supporters talked the same way about a guy who had played 12 games, I'd be laughing at them. Let's not fall into the same trap.
coasting
3 Dec 2005, 00:50
While I agree that he shouldn't be burdened with excessive expectations after sitting out a year, he was a ready-made footballer when we drafted him and he played some very good football games towards the end of 2004. Got 25+ possessions a couple of times playing as a HBF and was looking like a seasoned player. Even in the preseason this year, playing with OP, he looked awesome at times in the forward line and outmarked Dockers defenders like Polak and McPharlin. If he returns to his pre-injury form, he is going to be a fantastic player for us no doubt about it.
bunsen burner
3 Dec 2005, 07:57
No. I've always had a gut feeling he'll play 200 games.
Always had the feeling people on here have over rated Gaspar though. Too much talk of "but when Gaspar gets fit...." etc.
hawkeye23
3 Dec 2005, 09:10
Always had the feeling people on here have over rated Gaspar though. Too much talk of "but when Gaspar gets fit...." etc.
I agree with you regarding Gaspar, BB. I still feel we should've cut our losses with him. Time will hopefully prove us both wrong!
Eagles 4 Mine
3 Dec 2005, 09:31
I think that Beau has the same natural football talent as Juddy has so watch for this kid in 06 he will be a star don't worry about that!!!!!:thumbsu:
Gunnar Longshanks
3 Dec 2005, 10:19
I think that Beau has the same natural football talent as Juddy has so watch for this kid in 06 he will be a star don't worry about that!!!!!:thumbsu:This is what I'm talking about.
I'm not even convinced that Waters will slot straight into our best 22 in 2006.
Surely guys like Selwood and Nicoski are ahead of him for spots.
coasting
3 Dec 2005, 10:23
If he is fit and firing he is easily in our best 22.
Gunnar Longshanks
3 Dec 2005, 10:40
If he is fit and firing he is easily in our best 22.
What does fit and firing mean?
If Quinten Lynch or Brent Staker are firing then they'll be in our best 22 as well.
What about the possibility that Waters, in his first full season, doesn't fire straight away, and in fact plays half the season in the WAFL?
Is that such an outrageous suggestion?
You people have got massively unrealistic expectations of what this young player is going to bring to our team in 2006. To expect him to slot straight into our best 22 after 12 months out is crazy.
theorangeapple
3 Dec 2005, 10:59
I dont think anyone expects him to be a gun in 2006. I think everyone rates him as a good young player.
It's just greed to have Waters, Butler and Hurn all outside your best 22 you selfish bastards!:p IMO Waters needs to get more of the ball in his hands to become a better player so maybe playing in the same team as Kerr, Judd and Cousins may be bad for his development ...
coasting
3 Dec 2005, 12:01
It's just greed to have Waters, Butler and Hurn all outside your best 22 you selfish bastards!:p
Its nothing new unfortunately. Last year Gunnar said Kerr wasn't in our best 22 and should be traded. He ended up nearly winning the Brownlow. Looks like Waters is his new target despite the fact he has been injured he is already 'over-rated'. Poor thing tries so hard.
Gunnar Longshanks
3 Dec 2005, 13:22
Its nothing new unfortunately. Last year Gunnar said Kerr wasn't in our best 22 and should be traded. He ended up nearly winning the Brownlow. Looks like Waters is his new target despite the fact he has been injured he is already 'over-rated'. Poor thing tries so hard.What complete bollocks!
I never ever said Kerr wasn't in our best 22. That's a complete fabrication.
Also, I never said that Kerr should be traded. Just that he wasn't untradeable. Do you understand the difference?
I'm not targetting Waters. I'm just trying to water down some of the ridiculous expectations that have been placed on what he might bring to the team this year.
Just because I don't think he's an automatic selection in our best 22 doesn't mean I don't rate him. I think he will become a very good player. I just don't think it will happen as immediately as other people seem to expect.
For you to try and distort my argument so blatantly is pathetic.
Gunnar Longshanks
3 Dec 2005, 13:25
I dont think anyone expects him to be a gun in 2006. I think everyone rates him as a good young player.
Do you reckon he would be an automatic selection in our best 22?
I think a lot of people would have him inked into that side. I reckon there's no guarantee of that just yet.
Of course, if I'm proven wrong and he plays 20-odd games in 2006 then that will be fantastic.
I like him as a player and hope he steps up this season. I just think some of the expectations about what he might offer are a little premature.
I don't think I'm being particularly negative, or saying anything controversial here. It's common sense really.
Black JuJu
3 Dec 2005, 13:41
Brad Smith, Travis Gaspar and Beau Waters are birds of a feather around these parts..
celtic_pride
3 Dec 2005, 14:06
I think there's often a tendency to overload injured players with expectations.
There's tendency to look at missing players and say "Just wait until he gets back. We'll be awesome".
This is true of the way WC people anticipate Beau Waters' return.
I hope he has a good season, but aren't we forgetting that he's only played a dozen games. There's no guarantee that he'll slot straight into our best 22.
Yet several posters already have him pencilled in as a Worsfold clone who can play anywhere on the ground. This is ridiculous. He's a kid who is still learning how to play AFL.
I don't mean to sound negative, but if Collingwood supporters talked the same way about a guy who had played 12 games, I'd be laughing at them. Let's not fall into the same trap.
Is the sky blue ? Of course he has, as with most matters/players rated by WCE fans.
I agree with you regarding Gaspar, BB. I still feel we should've cut our losses with him. Time will hopefully prove us both wrong!
Don't judge him on 2 AFL games. Let the lad have his first decent pre-season in 4 years and then give him the once over.
theorangeapple
3 Dec 2005, 15:29
Do you reckon he would be an automatic selection in our best 22?
I think a lot of people would have him inked into that side. I reckon there's no guarantee of that just yet.
Of course, if I'm proven wrong and he plays20-odd games in 2006 then that will be fantastic.
I like him as a player and hope he steps up this season. I just think some of the expectations about what he might offer are a little premature.
I don't think I'm being particularly negative, or saying anything controversial here. It's common sense really.
He is in our best 25. By no means a walk up start.
Brad Smith, Travis Gaspar and Beau Waters are birds of a feather around these parts..
If these guys manage to survive the pre-season, they will all be given a chance and if they live up to the hype, well then, good for us. If not, well, we got to a prelim without any of them this season, so I don't think it will be a complete disaster if they don't.
Gunnar, it was on the back of his performance in the pre-season games that people were talking him up last year. If he plays like that next year in the pre-season, I'd say he'd be a certain starter for round 1. Remember, this time last year, no one was expecting Hansen to cement CHF.
Smith and Waters are coming back from a year out, so we probably shouldn't expect them to hit their stride immediately. Although, I doubt that will stop people from calling for their heads if they don't.
I agree with you regarding Gaspar, BB. I still feel we should've cut our losses with him. Time will hopefully prove us both wrong!
It wouldn't have made any sense to cut him at this point in time. It's going to be the first time in a number of years that Gaspar will have a full pre-season. That will be valuable and if he's ever going to deliver this is shaping to be the year.
Eagles 4 Mine
4 Dec 2005, 10:18
This is what I'm talking about.
I'm not even convinced that Waters will slot straight into our best 22 in 2006.
Surely guys like Selwood and Nicoski are ahead of him for spots.
Gunner there is no doubt that Waters will have to earn his spot and he probably shouldn't replace guys like Nicoski and Selly but he could easily replace staker as Beau would be more versatile to throw around in my opinion
and would perform better no doubt, personally I would have traded Staker !!!!!
I dont think he is being overrated at all, if anything id say he is being underrated. There are very few players who are able to play midfield forward and defence and do all of those very well and with little effect to his overall game like Beau can. With our increasing like for versatility I can more then comfortable say he is in our best 22 and probably in our best 18. Get Sampi out and play Waters in the pocket with stints in midfield and down back.
Although he has only played ten games he played very well in all of those games and played those games with OP, now he is injury free and with a extra 2 years of maturity I cant see why he wouldnt play better then he was the last time we saw him. Nicoski and Selwood will all be getting games, its just Sampi that wont.
If you think Sampi is better then Waters Gunnar then you got some issues. Nicoski Selwood wont be worrying about there spots so i dont know why you brought them up, theyd be the last two people id dump at this stage. Our best 25 shud look like...
FB : Wirrpunda Glass Banfield
CHB : Chick Hunter Jones
C : Cousins Judd Fletcher
CHF : Embley Hansen Nicoski
FF: Gaspar Smith Waters
C: Cox Kerr Selwood
I/C: Stenglein Braun Gardiner Rosa
EMG: Hurn Seaby Staker
Nothing Waters has done on the field suggests he wont be in our best 22. Gunnar is all the way in Sydney and has probably seen him play only once or twice, never seen him play a WAFL game and is basing his opinion on bout 40 seconds of footage.
Still think we shud trade Kerr btw??
no, yeah that squad looks about right. Hurn is straight into my best team and Ben McKinley isnt too far away.
Black JuJu
4 Dec 2005, 17:21
Hurn straight into your first team?
I guess this is one of the turkeys you were talking about then Gunnar.
coasting
4 Dec 2005, 17:52
Hurn straight into your first team?
Its not completely out of the question. He is a ready-made player like Waters was when we drafted him.
Hurn could play off the interchange bench in 2006, swapping on and off for Banfield and Chick. Ready to play straight away so why should we hesitate?
coasting
4 Dec 2005, 20:30
Waters was run over by a taxi last night outside a nightclub in Subiaco. He was taken to hospital and released after a few hours. Thankfully he was just shaken up and had a few cuts and bruises.
crazzzy_grrl
4 Dec 2005, 20:44
Waters was run over by a taxi last night outside a nightclub in Subiaco. He was taken to hospital and released after a few hours. Thankfully he was just shaken up and had a few cuts and bruises.
Really??
otis_david
4 Dec 2005, 21:36
Gunnar if you had have atched any of Beau's games towards the end of the 2004 season, you would known that he will be as good as his hype has been. Plenty in the media predicted him to be the rising star this year before he got OP, he will be a gun no doubt about it.
coasting
5 Dec 2005, 01:37
Really??
http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/young-eagle-escapes-serious-injury/2005/12/04/1133631147655.htmlhttp://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/young-eagle-escapes-serious-injury/2005/12/04/1133631147655.html
mick ryan
5 Dec 2005, 08:44
What complete bollocks!
For you to try and distort my argument so blatantly is pathetic.
He's the worst offender for that on BF Gunnar, does it regularly!
Waters is a very talented young player who will eventually be an important cog in the West Coast machine.
Brad Smith, Travis Gaspar and Beau Waters are birds of a feather around these parts..
Yep.
We're all hopeful, but there's a long way to go yet.
People tend to wax lyrical about the potential impact of both rookies and long term injured "stars".
I'll believe it when I see it.
As for Hurn and McKinley being regulars in our starting 22 in 06 - well that's just fanciful IMO.
FB : Wirrpunda Glass Banfield
CHB : Chick Hunter Jones
C : Cousins Judd Fletcher
CHF : Embley Hansen Nicoski
FF: Gaspar Smith Waters
C: Cox Kerr Selwood
I/C: Stenglein Braun Gardiner Rosa
EMG: Hurn Seaby Staker
there would be at least 5 guys ahead of Rosa ATM, and he will struggle to get a game in the next few years.
Its silly yo have him ahead of Sampi, Morton, Butler, Staker etc.
IMO our lineup will be more like this.
Wirrupunda Glass Banfield
Waters Gaspar B Jones
Embley Stenglein Braun
Chick Hansen Cousins
Sampi Smith Hunter
Cox Judd Kerr
Fletcher, Selwood Nicoski, Gardiner
emg Butler, Seaby, Staker
Of course it depends on who we play, form, injuries etc, but I'd like to see something like this in the Wiz Cup. The team is quite flexable with players able to play forward and back which is a huge advantage.
Gunnar Longshanks
5 Dec 2005, 13:50
Our best 25 shud look like...
FB : Wirrpunda Glass Banfield
CHB : Chick Hunter Jones
C : Cousins Judd Fletcher
CHF : Embley Hansen Nicoski
FF: Gaspar Smith Waters
C: Cox Kerr Selwood
I/C: Stenglein Braun Gardiner Rosa
EMG: Hurn Seaby StakerNo room for Lynch or Graham?
fryingpan
5 Dec 2005, 16:44
It just had on the new that Beau Waters was hit by a car in the early hours of yesterday morning?
crazzzy_grrl
5 Dec 2005, 19:59
It just had on the new that Beau Waters was hit by a car in the early hours of yesterday morning?
True.
Coasting has posted the link to the article on the previous page
IMO our lineup will be more like this.
Wirrupunda Glass Banfield
Waters Gaspar B Jones
Embley Stenglein Braun
Chick Hansen Cousins
Sampi Smith Hunter
Cox Judd Kerr
Fletcher, Selwood Nicoski, Gardiner
emg Butler, Seaby, Staker
Geez mate that is a bloody good effort. Can't see anything wrong with that line-up. I'll second that motion!
yeah, bloody good effort macca, though bones may miss out on his spot to seaby, staks or butler
i think there is a real commitment to play the best players in our side if they are fit, and i think that means playing waters, when hes available, and gaspar ahead of lynch. indeed a walk up start
Wirrupunda Glass Banfield
Waters Gaspar Chick
Embley Cousins Braun
Hunter Hansen Nicoski
Sampi Smith Gardiner
Cox Judd Kerr
Stenglein, Fletcher, Selwood, Seaby
emg Butler, Staker, B Jones, Morton
geez, you feel pretty good about the midfield when you have stinger and fletch changing off the bench and 2 AA ruckmen rotating
i think hurn should play a solid 5 games, considering how old banners and chicky are. morton should get the same or more now that lil phil has gone
theorangeapple
6 Dec 2005, 11:11
Wirrupunda Glass Banfield
Waters Gaspar B Jones
Embley Stenglein Braun
Chick Hansen Cousins
Sampi Smith Hunter
Cox Judd Kerr
Fletcher, Selwood Nicoski, Gardiner
emg Butler, Seaby, Staker
That is very close to my prefered side. Gasper is our best bet for CHB but there is a way to go before he proves himself there. If Gardiner can't ruck then we would need to play Seaby. Personally, I would prefer Butler to Selwood but that is a line ball decision.
I think Waters will certainly play his part for us next season if he stays injury free. A very good young player. I dont think he will play all 22 but he will definitely make an impact.
And in the future he will be a very good player and IMO a 200 gamer.
yeah, bloody good effort macca, though bones may miss out on his spot to seaby, staks or butler
i think there is a real commitment to play the best players in our side if they are fit, and i think that means playing waters, when hes available, and gaspar ahead of lynch. indeed a walk up start
Wirrupunda Glass Banfield
Waters Gaspar Chick
Embley Cousins Braun
Hunter Hansen Nicoski
Sampi Smith Gardiner
Cox Judd Kerr
Stenglein, Fletcher, Selwood, Seaby
emg Butler, Staker, B Jones, Morton
geez, you feel pretty good about the midfield when you have stinger and fletch changing off the bench and 2 AA ruckmen rotating
i think hurn should play a solid 5 games, considering how old banners and chicky are. morton should get the same or more now that lil phil has gone
Doesnt matter where you put em - thats a formidable looking side.
I've got the feeling with your lot that it's not a matter of when you'll get a premiership, but how many?
hawkeye23
7 Dec 2005, 07:25
Doesnt matter where you put em - thats a formidable looking side.
I've got the feeling with your lot that it's not a matter of when you'll get a premiership, but how many?
I don't know you, but, reading the above, I like the cut of your jib! :p
Gunnar Longshanks
18 Feb 2006, 17:32
How has Waters been going over pre-season?
Is he likely to play in the NAB Cup?
Gunnar Longshanks
10 Apr 2006, 03:22
I think that Beau has the same natural football talent as Juddy has so watch for this kid in 06 he will be a star don't worry about that!!!!!:thumbsu:Waters has been OK, but this comment looks pretty silly at the moment.
Gunnar Longshanks
10 Apr 2006, 03:24
there would be at least 5 guys ahead of Rosa ATM, and he will struggle to get a game in the next few years.Hmmmm.... methinks that comment might bite you in the behind.
Waters has been OK, but this comment looks pretty silly at the moment.
Only just but it's early days yet and he has time on his side.
sydney eagle
10 Apr 2006, 09:41
I thought that Waters was O K against Adelaide. His disposal needs some work but he doesn't shirk the issue in defence and puts his body on the line !
His disposal made McManus look like Maurice Rioli...those two shizen handballs almost cost you the game
smilingassassin
10 Apr 2006, 11:00
Waters has been OK, but this comment looks pretty silly at the moment.
Bit quick to jump on the kids back Gunnar. The kids a future star and yesterday displayed a few nerves at the wrong time. The kid's got tonnes of guts and he'll just get better and better. As long as he stays fit and injury free.
Eagles 4 Mine
10 Apr 2006, 11:41
Waters has been OK, but this comment looks pretty silly at the moment.
Hey Gunnar I think that you are looking a bit stupid ATM son you are the quickest to jump on a player when he's going bad.
Look at Rojo at the moment he is flying but if you were in charge of fielding a side he wouldn't even be on the field I think he is making you look silly buddy but of course you will try and defend you pathetic comments.
And another thing Gunnar you did want to trade Kerr but obviously I like a lot of other Eagles supporters are talking crap hey buddy. (J**K)
Total_Juddshanks
10 Apr 2006, 13:06
Hey Gunnar I think that you are looking a bit stupid ATM son you are the quickest to jump on a player when he's going bad.
He's just a not very bright opinion whore who likes to make sweepingly foolish statements on the basis of one or two games, (see Staker, Jones) leave him be.
Given the amount of football Waters has missed, its astonishing he's played and been a contributor in the first two games at all. I think his disposal issues are symptomatic of a kid who is just getting into the swing of things after sitting out an entire year and most of the preseason.
94_Eagles
10 Apr 2006, 14:22
I never remember his disposal being bad when he was playing in 2004. I'm sure he'll iron it out soon enough.
jess-jess
10 Apr 2006, 14:25
Given the amount of football Waters has missed, its astonishing he's played and been a contributor in the first two games at all. I think his disposal issues are symptomatic of a kid who is just getting into the swing of things after sitting out an entire year and most of the preseason.
I agree with that. Was always going to take a little while for him to get into the groove of the AFL again. In the grand scheme of things it was only his second game back after a year out and 11th AFL match in total. He'll get those kind of things under control once he's used to the tempo again.
Give him a break, he spent 11 months without kicking a football once, its not like getting back on the bike, it takes a while to get back into the groove.
Still a 19 year old laying out bumps like that is a huge plus, he took bout 3 players out of the game yesterday and took Chris Knights out of the game completely.
macca69
10 Apr 2006, 18:21
Hmmmm.... methinks that comment might bite you in the behind.
That comment was based on what I saw of him last year. Had a decent game against Adelaide in that he got a lot of the ball but didn't do much with it. Not saying he hasn't got potential, but I was just sick of people saying that a guy who had played 3 (fairly poor) games, deserved a spot in the side ahead of Chad Fletcher. He still isn't in out best 22 IMO, and has a lot of work to do to cement his spot. He deserves a few more games, but I am still not sure what he adds to the side that has an abundance of midfielders, who are more damaging than him.
Gunnar Longshanks
10 Apr 2006, 23:53
Hey Gunnar I think that you are looking a bit stupid ATM son you are the quickest to jump on a player when he's going bad.Where did I jump on Waters?
A lot of people over-rate him, that's all.
Pointing that out doesn't mean I think he's a complete dud with no future.
Try responding to things I actually posted instead of making it up as you go along.
theorangeapple
11 Apr 2006, 00:01
Its not his disposal...more is decision making. His handball was very poor however it was born out of him simply trying to do too much. His kicking isnt top notch but its not bad. He is a good kick but he does do 1-2 floaters a game.
Anyway, with Waters, you are not buying skill and finesse. You are buying aggression and intensity. I think he laid 3-4 good quality bumps yesterday, not many players have that come naturally to them. If we want a good kick...tell him to handball to an outside type like Nicoski.
sydney eagle
11 Apr 2006, 00:19
Its not his disposal...more is decision making. His handball was very poor however it was born out of him simply trying to do too much. His kicking isnt top notch but its not bad. He is a good kick but he does do 1-2 floaters a game.
Anyway, with Waters, you are not buying skill and finesse. You are buying aggression and intensity. I think he laid 3-4 good quality bumps yesterday, not many players have that come naturally to them. If we want a good kick...tell him to handball to an outside type like Nicoski. Yes Nicoski is a good kick but some of his decision making is a bit dicey at times. Seems to overestimate his ability to beat players at the moment.
Gunnar Longshanks
11 Jun 2006, 23:16
Waters is struggling.
Is he really best 22?
Special Agent
11 Jun 2006, 23:27
Yes, he is best 22. I think he was better this week, but with Hurn and Brett Jones knocking on the door in the WAFL, his head will be on the chopping block. He could do with a run in the WAFL, but will be in the team come September.
Waters is struggling.
Is he really best 22?
Your thread is sinking.
So you bump it!
Something more...
11 Jun 2006, 23:54
Its not his disposal...more is decision making. His handball was very poor however it was born out of him simply trying to do too much. His kicking isnt top notch but its not bad. He is a good kick but he does do 1-2 floaters a game.
Anyway, with Waters, you are not buying skill and finesse. You are buying aggression and intensity. I think he laid 3-4 good quality bumps yesterday, not many players have that come naturally to them. If we want a good kick...tell him to handball to an outside type like Nicoski.
Very nice. But he consistently causes turnovers at hb & on the wing. As long as Rojo's disposals are better than his, no not in best 22. Unless you're voting based on compassion for youth.
wce4premiership
11 Jun 2006, 23:55
not on topic but....illegal or not i love this guys bumps. They make me proud and i get all excited...gotta love it :thumbsu:
His disposal needs to improve but he is hard as nails and tackles. Which I love about him. Right now I think he is alright in our best 22, nobody could really come into the side and give us what he gives us. Their are guys with better disposal but nobody as hard as Waters.
macca69
12 Jun 2006, 09:54
Waters is struggling.
Is he really best 22?
Woosha seems to think so ;)
bunsen burner
12 Jun 2006, 10:26
He is the clanger king isn't he?
I'm tipping in time he'll reduce his clanger count and be a fixture in the best 22. His hardness at the ball will be priceless in the future.
But time to head to the WAFL to sharpen up the skills and decision making.
hawkeye23
12 Jun 2006, 10:37
He's prone to the odd brain explosion, but so is Nicoski, and would you have him out of the side? At least when Waters hits them, they bloody well stay hit!
Eagles 4 Mine
12 Jun 2006, 12:43
Still a long way of his best as I suspect that he is not got the miles in his legs yet and looks like he is labouring across the ground after qtr time. He'll be alright.
Gunnar Longshanks
8 Jul 2006, 19:17
Waters isn't good enough to play in the midfield, and isn't smart enough to play in defence.
Time to play him as a permanent FP.
Waters isn't good enough to play in the midfield, and isn't smart enough to play in defence.
Time to play him as a permanent FP.
Hes a injury machine which is keeping him in the team, Id make him a impact player, play him off the bench and tell him to run his butt off for 15 mins in a game and tackle hard, Id play him as a defender, he is most comfortable down there, but isnt anywhere near smart enough or good enough of a kick to play in the forward line
Gunnar Longshanks
8 Jul 2006, 19:38
Hes a injury machine which is keeping him in the team, Pfffttt...
Be sensible.
Id play him as a defender, he is most comfortable down there, but isnt anywhere near smart enough or good enough of a kick to play in the forward line Tackling and decision-making isn't good enough.
If he's beaten to the ball, his insinct seems to be to tackle an opponent high or get into his back. Does it repeatedly.
Special Agent
8 Jul 2006, 19:39
Kicked a good goal and flew the flag for Cousins. Decent output.
IMO he looked impressive starting forward against Essendon, had about 3 shots at goal within 5 minutes but was marred by atrocious kicking. I'd like to see it again.
Jimmy_the_Gent
8 Jul 2006, 21:36
Only played 21 games and hasn't really had much of a pre-season, plus he missed all of last year. Expecting too much of him now is a little naive.
Bestbird
8 Jul 2006, 21:50
Only played 21 games and hasn't really had much of a pre-season, plus he missed all of last year. Expecting too much of him now is a little naive.
Pretty much sums it up:
Huge upside on young Beau.
Dissapointing from beau again today IMO.....Gave away that stupid 50 metre pen for encroaching the mark and his disposals were once again dodgy.
Gunnar Longshanks
9 Jul 2006, 06:21
For a "tough" player, Waters' tackling is actually pretty weak.
Eagles 4 Mine
9 Jul 2006, 11:50
For a "tough" player, Waters' tackling is actually pretty weak.
Gunnar sounds as if you doubt his toughness.!!!
I think that his tackling is pretty good and so does Buddy Franklin when you think about it.:rolleyes:
This kid will be cherry ripe by the finals with the amount of time that the kid has had out of the game at top level and his fitness is coming along IMO.
Fletchers Girl
9 Jul 2006, 11:59
I like the way this kid plays, he does do the hard tackles and it's great to see! :D
Gunnar sounds as if you doubt his toughness.!!!
I think that his tackling is pretty good and so does Buddy Franklin when you think about it.:rolleyes:
Summed up perfectly! :thumbsu:
Eagles 4 Mine
21 Aug 2006, 13:16
Waters is struggling.
Is he really best 22?
LEGEND just wandering if W.C fans have over-rating Waters to date or does he not fit in our best 22/25 in your opinion, considering your opinion seem to be the only one that counts.
Gunnar Longshanks
21 Aug 2006, 17:44
LEGEND just wandering if W.C fans have over-rating Waters to date or does he not fit in our best 22/25 in your opinion, considering your opinion seem to be the only one that counts.I don't think there's any doubt that some WC supporters over-rated Waters:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4296026&postcount=5
As for whether he's top 22-25, I think he probably is.
But I also think he's been given a lot of chances this season.
The fact that he's missed so few games this season is a big factor in him being in that group. You can't rate him behind a guy who has only played 2-3 games.
He's been pushed at every opportunity, and I don't necessarily think he's deserved all of those chances.
Guys like Armstrong and Priddis have had to scrap for everything.
Mitch Morton has played how many games this season?
Comparitively, Beau Waters has had it very easy. Not sure that that unconditional faith has been totally vindicated.
The_Eagles
21 Aug 2006, 17:47
some people are definately hog-wild over him, as far as it goes, needs better disposal
Gunnars last post belongs in the "I cant admit im wrong" board
Lynch drops a mark
21 Aug 2006, 19:30
I dont think he missed a target by foot against the lions
will be a quality player
otis_david
21 Aug 2006, 21:00
I don't think there's any doubt that some WC supporters over-rated Waters:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4296026&postcount=5
As for whether he's top 22-25, I think he probably is.
But I also think he's been given a lot of chances this season.
The fact that he's missed so few games this season is a big factor in him being in that group. You can't rate him behind a guy who has only played 2-3 games.
He's been pushed at every opportunity, and I don't necessarily think he's deserved all of those chances.
Guys like Armstrong and Priddis have had to scrap for everything.
Mitch Morton has played how many games this season?
Comparitively, Beau Waters has had it very easy. Not sure that that unconditional faith has been totally vindicated.
Hmm.... Sounds like sombody else I know... :rolleyes:
ekzistenz
21 Aug 2006, 21:34
some people are definately hog-wild over him, as far as it goes, needs better disposal
Yes, but his disposal has improved in leaps and bounds over the course of the last few weeks as his confidence has increased and his injuries are forgotten.
Eagles 4 Mine
22 Aug 2006, 10:13
I don't think there's any doubt that some WC supporters over-rated Waters:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4296026&postcount=5
As for whether he's top 22-25, I think he probably is.
But I also think he's been given a lot of chances this season.
The fact that he's missed so few games this season is a big factor in him being in that group. You can't rate him behind a guy who has only played 2-3 games.
He's been pushed at every opportunity, and I don't necessarily think he's deserved all of those chances.
Guys like Armstrong and Priddis have had to scrap for everything
Mitch Morton has played how many games this season?
Comparitively, Beau Waters has had it very easy. Not sure that that unconditional faith has been totally vindicated.
Just watch Beau closely LEGEND may need another year to prove my theory that this kid will be a gun!!!!!
Bump this in 18 mths time LEGEND. ( providing no serious injuries )
Gunnar Longshanks
22 Aug 2006, 12:42
Gunnars last post belongs in the "I cant admit im wrong" boardEr - why?
What did I say that has been proven categorically wrong?
Has Beau Waters been such a superstar that any suggestion he's been pumped up too much is just patently ridiculous?
If we had a full list to pick from, Waters would be among the last few picked, if selected at all.
Where am I going wrong?
Patrick Bullet
22 Aug 2006, 22:10
If we had a full list to pick from, Waters would be among the last few picked, if selected at all.
Where am I going wrong?
That's a bit soft. How often do teams have a full list to pick from? Where do you think Waters ranks in terms of selection? What constitutes 'the last few'?
He's played 17 games so far this year, which to me seems somewhat unlikely for someone who would be adequately described as being 'among the last few picked, if selected at all'.
Perhaps you just don't rate him as highly as the selectors do.
otis_david
24 Aug 2006, 00:11
Beau is a future captain of the West Coast Eagles and is the best player 20 and under on our list.
Waters is struggling.
Is he really best 22?
Bump. I think he might be :)
AndrewJo
18 Dec 2006, 13:48
Just watch Beau closely LEGEND may need another year to prove my theory that this kid will be a gun!!!!!
Bump this in 18 mths time LEGEND. ( providing no serious injuries )
I think you guys are a bit hard..This guy IS A GUN NOW!!
Gunnar Longshanks
18 Dec 2006, 14:01
Bump. I think he might be :)His Grand Final has set a pretty high benchmark.
I thought there were times during the year where he was struggling a bit and could have been dropped.
Hopefully he starts off well next year and keeps improving.
His Grand Final has set a pretty high benchmark.
I thought there were times during the year where he was struggling a bit and could have been dropped.
Hopefully he starts off well next year and keeps improving.
It was a knee jerk reaction considering he had spent 13 months without kicking a football. Dont be so quick to judge ;) (we all do it even you do it too)
Gunnar Longshanks
18 Dec 2006, 14:14
It was a knee jerk reaction considering he had spent 13 months without kicking a football. Dont be so quick to judge ;) (we all do it even you do it too)Er, what?
It was "knee jerk"? What was it a reaction to?
Point to a post of mine on this thread that you think was way off the mark.
Most of it is pretty measured and accurate. A "knee jerk reaction" is when you seize on a solitary event and exaggerate its implications. Where have I done that?
Just because Waters played a break-out game in the last game of the year doesn't mean that all criticism of him before that was unfounded. There were points during the season where he looked ordinary, and could easily have been dropped.
Nice try to score points against me, but this thread hasn't helped you do that.
Er, what?
It was "knee jerk"? What was it a reaction to?
Point to a post of mine on this thread that you think was way off the mark.
Most of it is pretty measured and accurate. A "knee jerk reaction" is when you seize on a solitary event and exaggerate its implications. Where have I done that?
Just because Waters played a break-out game in the last game of the year doesn't mean that all criticism of him before that was unfounded. There were points during the season where he looked ordinary, and could easily have been dropped.
Nice try to score points against me, but this thread hasn't helped you do that.
You said he isnt a defender and is strictly a forward pocket for one. That is a bit of exaggeration. He had more then one good game.. Surely you can admit that :confused:
Gunnar Longshanks
18 Dec 2006, 14:32
You said he isnt a defender and is strictly a forward pocket for one. That is a bit of exaggeration.I said that he should be played forward.
I still think that.
Feel free to quote me.
He had more then one good game.. Surely you can admit that :confused:He had more than one good game, but his GF seems to have galvanised in people's minds that he is already a gun.
The GF created the impression that Waters had truly arrived as a top tier player. And it was a very impressive performance.
But that doesn't change the fact that for the previous six months, he had been pretty patchy, and could have been dropped a couple of times.
You bumped this thread, hoping to present evidence of me being categorically wrong. I'm still waiting.
I said that he should be played forward.
I still think that.
Feel free to quote me.
He had more than one good game, but his GF seems to have galvanised in people's minds that he is already a gun.
The GF created the impression that Waters had truly arrived as a top tier player. And it was a very impressive performance.
But that doesn't change the fact that for the previous six months, he had been pretty patchy, and could have been dropped a couple of times.
You bumped this thread, hoping to present evidence of me being categorically wrong. I'm still waiting.
You said you dont think he is in our best 22. He is in our best 22. Do you want me to draw you a picture. :confused:
wce4premiership
18 Dec 2006, 14:45
he is in the 22 easily i think and in a few years will be feared and admired.
Gunnar Longshanks
18 Dec 2006, 15:11
You said you dont think he is in our best 22. He is in our best 22. Do you want me to draw you a picture. :confused:
I said before the season that Waters might not be best 22.
You're claiming that because he was best 22 by season's end that I was wrong.
That makes no sense.
The situation changed over the course of the season, and Waters is now entrenched.
There were quite a few times during the season when Waters could have been dropped. It's not like he became such a superstar that my earlier comments became ridiculous.
He was excellent in the GF. I don't see how that refutes anything I said 12 months ago when I called for more reasonable expectations.
I never bagged Waters or said "he's a dud" or that he'd never be in our best side. Don't pretend I did.
I just said he mightn't be the ready-made gun that some people expected him to be.
Tell me where I went wrong.
Quote a post of mine that you now feel is ridiculous and has been utterly exposed.
I said before the season that Waters might not be best 22.
You're claiming that because he was best 22 by season's end that I was wrong.
That makes no sense.
The situation changed over the course of the season, and Waters is now entrenched.
There were quite a few times during the season when Waters could have been dropped. It's not like he became such a superstar that my earlier comments became ridiculous.
He was excellent in the GF. I don't see how that refutes anything I said 12 months ago when I called for more reasonable expectations.
I never bagged Waters or said "he's a dud" or that he'd never be in our best side. Don't pretend I did.
I just said he mightn't be the ready-made gun that some people expected him to be.
Tell me where I went wrong.
Dont lie. You said he aint in our best 22 in June. A day after I made my thread you bumped on the main board. Similar to my post the situation changed over the course of the season and it changed. At the time you thought he wasnt in the best 22 and you were proved wrong. Deal with it
daddy_4_eyes
18 Dec 2006, 15:43
Gunnar getting beaten at his own game :thumbsu: