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GoEagles
7 Nov 2001, 15:31
What do you think has been the best political ad on TV over this election period?
Mentions:
Labor - "Mr Howard, the GST is a tax, not a plan"
Labor - "The GST has risen in New Zealand, England" [This had Howard pulling a funny face]
Liberals - John Howard talking on the phone with the Aussie flag in the background.
Democrats - Howard and Beazley barking like dogs. Then we see Natasha's charming face pop onto our screens.
I can't say I've seen any One Nation ads.
Democrats, because how true is that. Nothing but dogs the other two...
Can't stand any of them...
Originally posted by joshhem
Democrats, because how true is that. Nothing but dogs the other two...
As opposed to the democrats :rolleyes:
The Hitman
8 Nov 2001, 16:36
As much as I hate them, the labour ad's have slaughtered the Liberal ad's. The thing is with the Labour ad's, they are speculative, not based on actual polocies.
Howard has said he won't raise the GST, yet Labour insist on running ad's saying he will.
The radio ad by labour which has a commentator commentating a cricket match with Howard batting, then retiring halfway through his innings. Then a narrator talks about how you can't have a government which retires halfway through an innings, suggesting Howard will quit halfway through his term.
Labour are playing on maybes, trying to fool the non-caring public into thinking things which simply aren't true. I'm 16 and I can see through this. It's disgraceful.
At least the Liberal ad's use actual quotes Beazley said and figures and facts of what he did when he was a minister when Labour were in power.
The Hitman
Originally posted by The Hitman
As much as I hate them, the labour ad's have slaughtered the Liberal ad's. The thing is with the Labour ad's, they are speculative, not based on actual polocies. (that's what i stand for.....thought that was on policies?)
Howard has said he won't raise the GST, yet Labour insist on running ad's saying he will....(never ever raise it....hitman?)
The radio ad by labour which has a commentator commentating a cricket match with Howard batting, then retiring halfway through his innings. Then a narrator talks about how you can't have a government which retires halfway through an innings, suggesting Howard will quit halfway through his term. (whats wrong with that...a vote for Howard is a vote for Costello, or Reith, or maybe even Abbott)
Labour are playing on maybes, trying to fool the non-caring public into thinking things which simply aren't true. I'm 16 and I can see through this. It's disgraceful. (fooling the public.......like running a campaign on the back of war and how we stopped a relatively small amount of refugees with 200 million dollars? lets talk about some issues johnny.....no wait better not cos you were getting creamed in the polls before september 11 and tampa)
At least the Liberal ad's use actual quotes Beazley said and figures and facts of what he did when he was a minister when Labour were in power. (funny how they dont mention the poor state of the economy when howard was treasurer as well)
The Hitman
The Hitman
8 Nov 2001, 18:23
Howard didn't have a choice about when the election was. He can't hold it next year, and he was never going to hold it before September. What the hell do you want him to do? :confused: :mad:
Yes, I agree that he held up the Tampa conviniently before the election, but I believe he did the right thing. But I agree that he did it before an election to please the people.
On the fact of the "This is what I stand for" ad's. I wasn't talking about those. I said he was running ad's on speculation that Howard might not finish the next term and that he might raise the GST - both things Howard said won't happen while he is PM.
It isn't just the state of the economy under Beazley that suffered. Unemployment minister - highest unemployment rates in over a decade. Defence minister - let's just sign up for these fantastic Collins Class Subs...the joke of the Australian military, which has cost the Australian taxpayer BILLIONS...NOT MILLIONS. Also as Finance minister, we all know how bad the economy was...
Hilly, you said you whipped me on MSN...I think not... :rolleyes: :p :D
The Hitman
Originally posted by The Hitman
Howard didn't have a choice about when the election was. He can't hold it next year, and he was never going to hold it before September. What the hell do you want him to do? :confused: :mad:
Yes, I agree that he held up the Tampa conviniently before the election, but I believe he did the right thing. But I agree that he did it before an election to please the people.
On the fact of the "This is what I stand for" ad's. I wasn't talking about those. I said he was running ad's on speculation that Howard might not finish the next term and that he might raise the GST - both things Howard said won't happen while he is PM.
It isn't just the state of the economy under Beazley that suffered. Unemployment minister - highest unemployment rates in over a decade. Defence minister - let's just sign up for these fantastic Collins Class Subs...the joke of the Australian military, which has cost the Australian taxpayer BILLIONS...NOT MILLIONS. Also as Finance minister, we all know how bad the economy was...
Hilly, you said you whipped me on MSN...I think not... :rolleyes: :p :D
The Hitman
Fact: I didn't criticise Howard for calling the election when he did. In truth he could have called it a bit earlier, which i believe would have been to his benefit.
Yes he did the right thing in refusing entry but he did the wrong thing in trying to offload these unfortunate people to Indonesia
Has Howard actually come out and said he will stay the full term if re-elected? No, he dodges around this valid question, just like a lot of other things to return to his issues of choice: war on terror and illegal immigrants
And my point on GST is that he also infamously once stated that there will "never ever" be a GST under his government. Yes he did put this to an election but the point is he changed his policy. Who's to say it won't happen again?
The That's what I stand for is the biggest load of crap I have seen. Also the ALP ads have ,I won't say lies, but have been bending the truth. At no stage has the government said the GST rate would increase. Yet the Opposition claim if the Government is re elected it is a certainty to go up when in actual fact it is not.
None of the ads have been great. That Democrats one annoys me as well.
The Liberal ads have not been very innovative either.
Originally posted by dees01
Also the ALP ads have ,I won't say lies, but have been bending the truth.
Just like certain ministers not seeing footage of certain tape when they had previously indicated otherwise :o
The Hitman
9 Nov 2001, 05:26
Just like to say that I beat Hilly in this political debate on MSN, so ner Chris! :p :D
Fancy that, the dux of his 2000 politics class, beaten in a political debate by a 16 year old! Harde ha ha! ;)
The Hitman
BrisGirl
9 Nov 2001, 12:28
Yes he did the right thing in refusing entry but he did the wrong thing in trying to offload these unfortunate people to Indonesia Hilly
Mr Howard has never offloaded anyone to Indonesia. He has opened entry stations at PNG and various other islands so they may be processed off Australia and they must await entry offically like any other immigrant.
The boat that sunk off Indonesia, was a boat that was forced to leave Indonesia by their Police, it was not one that was turned away from here.
As for Labor and their campaigns, they have always been around scare tactics. They try to frighten voters with fear of the unknown and 'what if's'.
What frightens me is that if Labor get in, I will have to pay higher interest rates on my Mortgage as I always have done when Labor are in power.
And there is always Creen, he just frightens me.
GOALden Hawk
9 Nov 2001, 12:42
Originally posted by The Hitman
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Howard has said he won't raise the GST, yet Labour insist on running ad's saying he will.
Just like Howard said he would 'never, ever' introduce a GST in the 1st place eh? :rolleyes: Is his promise to not raise the GST 'core or non-core'???? :rolleyes:
The Hitman
9 Nov 2001, 13:33
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
Just like Howard said he would 'never, ever' introduce a GST in the 1st place eh? :rolleyes: Is his promise to not raise the GST 'core or non-core'???? :rolleyes:
He didn't say he wouldn't introduce the GST as a policy leading into an election. He also ran on the GST last election. he didn't decieve anyone. This is a policy leading into an election that he won't raise it.
The Hitman
Originally posted by The Hitman
He didn't say he wouldn't introduce the GST as a policy leading into an election. He also ran on the GST last election. he didn't decieve anyone. This is a policy leading into an election that he won't raise it.
The Hitman
He did so. He said and I quote "There will never be a GST under this government".
Now if that isnt promising i dont know what is :rolleyes:
Originally posted by The Hitman
Just like to say that I beat Hilly in this political debate on MSN, so ner Chris! :p :D
Fancy that, the dux of his 2000 politics class, beaten in a political debate by a 16 year old! Harde ha ha! ;)
The Hitman
What debate? The one you ran away from? I still cant believe you're blowing your own trumpet, something radically new for you hitman :rolleyes: :p
Howard can't raise the lvel of the GST by himself guys. He has to have the approval of the state governments which are pre-dominately Labor at the moment. Discussions about whether he will or won't are irrelevant.
Personally I don't trust any of them - anyone can be an honest man until they enter politics.
Originally posted by elt
Howard can't raise the lvel of the GST by himself guys. He has to have the approval of the state governments . .
But, if Parliment changes that then you don't need states approval.
Never say....NEVER EVER
The Hitman
9 Nov 2001, 15:15
He did so. He said and I quote "There will never be a GST under this government". Originally posted by hilly
What debate? The one you ran away from? I still cant believe you're blowing your own trumpet, something radically new for you hitman :rolleyes: :p
:mad: Let me win you bastard...lol
He did so. He said and I quote "There will never be a GST under this government".
Look at what I said Luke. He didn't say it leading up to an election as a policy. He changed his policy, and took the change of policy to an election, where he won.
The Hitman
For those who haven't noticed, a large swag of GST revenue goes straight into state gevernment coffers. It wouldn't really take much to persuade any state government to agree to a rise in GST. All it needs is a pretext ie. debt reduction, increase in services, or whatever.
Satay Mat
9 Nov 2001, 16:32
Originally posted by The Hitman
He did so. He said and I quote "There will never be a GST under this government".
actually this is quite legitimate. He said "under this government". Governments run from election to election...which means what he would not introduce a GST in that term....which he did not.
He then went to the next election quite opennly proposing a GST. We all (well those of us > 18) had the option to vote him in on that platform or not. We did and we got a GST.
I don't like little Johnny but on the issue of the GST he has been above board.
I would have been worse for him to run an election on a platform of "No GST" and then introduce one....but it is true that that government did not introduce a GST....the next one did....and in between you can take him or leave him.
The GST is btw, just what this country needs. By 2030 > 50% of the population will be > 60 and therefore not paying income tax. If we want to maintain the government services we have...including increasing pensions for all those people....then we need a broader taxation base that simply income tax.
Buggered if I want a marginal tax rate of 65% in 2030 to pay for all of the pensions.
Satay Mat
The Hitman
9 Nov 2001, 17:06
That quote was actually TheMase's, sorry, I used it as a quote myself, and I pasted it before I started posting it.
The Hitman