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Bentleigh
7 Dec 2005, 14:14
Always takes a hell of alot of balls to make a 40/50 then gets himself out after taking up 75 odd balls.

Too slow.

Clarke to open.

Smokey_22
7 Dec 2005, 14:17
clarke's only 3 scores as opener were 60 50 and 40 or something.

ALso Jaques would be a good replacement.

Bentleigh
7 Dec 2005, 14:20
clarke's only 3 scores as opener were 60 50 and 40 or something.

But at least he goes at about a run a ball.

ALso Jaques would be a good replacement.

Good idea.

ben.carbonaro
7 Dec 2005, 14:25
Always takes a hell of alot of balls to make a 40/50 then gets himself out after taking up 75 odd balls.

Too slow.

Clarke to open.

Not everyone is a crash and bash sort of player like an Andrew Symonds etc.

Not every batsman scores quickly, Katich's style is ensuring he is there a lot of the innings.

Bentleigh
7 Dec 2005, 14:38
Not everyone is a crash and bash sort of player like an Andrew Symonds etc.

Not every batsman scores quickly, Katich's style is ensuring he is there a lot of the innings.

You dont need a Symonds.

Just someone who is not going to waste much more ball than runs he scores. A Hussey, Clarke, Jaquies would do the buisness.

JUBJUB
7 Dec 2005, 14:38
Always takes a hell of alot of balls to make a 40/50 then gets himself out after taking up 75 odd balls.

Too slow.

Clarke to open.
That's 40/50 runs more than Gilchrist is likely to make at the moment.

Open with Clarke,but as a replacement for Gilchrist

1 Katich
2 Clarke
3 Ponting
4 Hussey [currently bats too low down the order]
5 Symonds
6 Hodge
7 Gilchrist
8,9,10,11 The bowlers

~GURU~
7 Dec 2005, 14:58
I think that Gilchrist inability to score runs should knock him down and yeah maybe get Jacques in but would doubt the selectors would take a chance like that.

ben.carbonaro
7 Dec 2005, 15:00
Gilchrist has no inability to hit runs, only problem for him is the fact that he hits the new ball in the air too much.

That's the only issue that's affecting him in my opinion.

starz
7 Dec 2005, 15:16
Agree Katich shouldn't be playing Int'l cricket but he did okay today under the circumstances even though i didn't see it (Gilly, Hodge, Ponting out cheaply). He did an ok job to hang around.... not good, not bad, just ok.

Funkalicous
7 Dec 2005, 15:47
The idea of a ODI opener is that the longer they're out there, the more devestating the total will be. With Katich, the longer he's out there, the more moddest the total becomes. :( Just aint right...

Blues_Man
7 Dec 2005, 16:11
Always takes a hell of alot of balls to make a 40/50 then gets himself out after taking up 75 odd balls.

Too slow.

Clarke to open.
Katich > Hodge end of story

crazy_big_al
7 Dec 2005, 17:18
keep him there

Funkalicous
7 Dec 2005, 18:28
Katich > Hodge end of story

Two wrongs don't make a right. ;)

ben.carbonaro
7 Dec 2005, 19:09
Agree Katich shouldn't be playing Int'l cricket but he did okay today under the circumstances even though i didn't see it (Gilly, Hodge, Ponting out cheaply). He did an ok job to hang around.... not good, not bad, just ok.

Are you saying he should have never played Test cricket for Australia either ?

Bentleigh
7 Dec 2005, 22:41
The idea of a ODI opener is that the longer they're out there, the more devestating the total will be. With Katich, the longer he's out there, the more moddest the total becomes. :( Just aint right...

Bingo. You are hoping he will go out so the run rate goes up.

Just not cricket.

Drop Katich.

HurricaneHazza
7 Dec 2005, 22:44
You dont need a Symonds.

Just someone who is not going to waste much more ball than runs he scores. A Hussey, Clarke, Jaquies would do the buisness.
Exactly.

Locky
7 Dec 2005, 22:47
1 Katich
2 Clarke
3 Ponting
4 Hussey [currently bats too low down the order]
5 Symonds
6 Hodge
7 Gilchrist
8,9,10,11 The bowlers
I agree, Hussey bats far too low. A player who doesn't smash the ball like Symonds or Gilly has no reason to be batting down that low as they can't have much of an affect on the game unless everyone else gets out early on. Husseys tallent is deffinatly going to waste so far down the order

LIONS then DAYLIGHT
7 Dec 2005, 22:55
I like having Katich opening, he scores quickly enough especially when you have explosive batting like Gilly, Punter and Symo.

Your thread appears to be seriously flawed.

I believe Katich started opening in the first ICC super series one dayer.

Since then he has opened 4 times for a total of 195 runs @ 48.75 and striking at 73.8 runs per 100 balls.

I can't see any reason to drop him.

Thank You Very Much Indeed.

Smokey_22
23 Jan 2006, 09:47
im a lazy bastard right now, so i wont do it. But does anyone have Katich's scores in ODIs for the last year or so? Please post them.
I think you'll find his scores are quite consistent with plenty of starts. To drop him just because he got injured would be stupid and a little unfair. He deserves his chances - even if he doesnt have many more.

Hes not on my WC 15, even though im a NSWer, but all this bagging is a little unfair.

SorryIHammerChicken
23 Jan 2006, 09:50
I can't stand Judas.

Yes he has been getting a lot of good starts lately, 30s and 40s recently, but still only averages 31.

he shouldn't be in the side when you have Jaques as a much better option.

BTW i reckon the chances of him getting a 50 in the next dig is high. There's a point when players are due for a score (like Symonds when he made that 70).

Kahuna
23 Jan 2006, 09:58
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I think that is his scores of the last year. It doesn't look like that many games but he hasn't played all the ODI that Australia have been in.

Yes he is going through a lean patch but so did Symonds and everyone wanted him dropped now look at him everyone thinks he is great. They just need to give Katich some time.

Bombers_Forever
23 Jan 2006, 09:59
Whatever- as as opener getting 20's and 30's is not good enough, particularly with a strike rate of under 75. Openers need to go on- Jaya showed us yesterday, Dippenaar did it and it is why Sth Africa are failing with the bat (Smith etc).

If there was nobody better, fine, but Jaques was great on debut.

Gunnar Longshanks
23 Jan 2006, 10:29
im a lazy bastard right now, so i wont do it. But does anyone have Katich's scores in ODIs for the last year or so? Please post them.
I think you'll find his scores are quite consistent with plenty of starts. To drop him just because he got injured would be stupid and a little unfair. He deserves his chances - even if he doesnt have many more.

Hes not on my WC 15, even though im a NSWer, but all this bagging is a little unfair.Katich has opened the batting 14 times, yet his highest score is only 60.

Katich averages 32.29 when opening in ODIs.

Given that Phil Jaques has just made the highest score by an Aussie batsman on debut, it's ridiculous to think that Jaques is being kept out of the side by someone with Katich's numbers.

Katich has been given an opportunity, and he's failed to grasp it with any real conviction.

Smokey_22
23 Jan 2006, 10:54
Katich has opened the batting 14 times, yet his highest score is only 60.

Katich averages 32.29 when opening in ODIs.

Given that Phil Jaques has just made the highest score by an Aussie batsman on debut, it's ridiculous to think that Jaques is being kept out of the side by someone with Katich's numbers.

Katich has been given an opportunity, and he's failed to grasp it with any real conviction.

58, 43, 5, 30, 58, 47, 54, 36, and 2 is NOT droppable form.

stokesy
23 Jan 2006, 10:59
I thought he was very lucky to be playing yesterday.... very lucky.

Port01
23 Jan 2006, 11:00
58, 43, 5, 30, 58, 47, 54, 36, and 2 is NOT droppable form.

Of course it is when there are possibly better options. He gets out as soon as he tries to up the scoring rate which is a problem in the one day game.

mcphee_is_a_gun
23 Jan 2006, 11:24
for how slow he scores his runs he should of at least of made 100 in his career by now. Drop him.

Embers
23 Jan 2006, 11:45
The single worst cricketer in Australian history, Katich would not get a game for Bangladesh Kenya or even Bermuda at this point, he is just so terrible its scary

Only reason he is getting a game is because Ponting feels sorry for him, cos Katich thinks his good and Ponting doesnt want to have to tell him he is the worst player he has ever seen.

Id open the battin with McGrath before Katich atm, Katich is the single reason for every single ODI loss we have had in the past 2 years.

War Nerve
23 Jan 2006, 11:51
Katich has to go simple as that!

Rocket23
23 Jan 2006, 11:58
Id open the battin with McGrath before Katich atm, Katich is the single reason for every single ODI loss we have had in the past 2 years.

Bit harsh there Embers, Damien Martyn has to be to blame for a fair share of them :D

chapmanmagic35
23 Jan 2006, 12:33
Yeah, I've been getting a little tired of the Katich baggers, just because Jacques had a stunning debut.

I think Jaques should be in the side, but Katich has been pretty consistent, and it was only 10 days ago that he made 60 at the TD. If not for Martyn's poor calling, Katich may well have gone on and made a ton.

More questions should be asked of Damien Martyn.

the_mighty_pies_3733
23 Jan 2006, 12:56
Yeah, I've been getting a little tired of the Katich baggers, just because Jacques had a stunning debut.

I think Jaques should be in the side, but Katich has been pretty consistent, and it was only 10 days ago that he made 60 at the TD. If not for Martyn's poor calling, Katich may well have gone on and made a ton.

More questions should be asked of Damien Martyn.
Why should more questions be asked of Martyn? He is being used as an opener for no reason when clearly he is at his best at number 4. And im pretty sure his numbers are a fair bit better than Katich.

Smokey_22
23 Jan 2006, 13:14
Martyn?...And im pretty sure his numbers are a fair bit better than Katich.

Anybody???

peternorth
23 Jan 2006, 13:16
i see someones listed his scores, good numbers. but what was his strike rate?

simply katich is not a ODI player. there are better options avalaible.

what scares me is that ponting wants katich and gilly to open for the world cup!!! WTF? gees, thats the problem with the team/selectors I think, theyre all buddy buddies. make some tough decisions boys!

thebigboy
23 Jan 2006, 13:50
Mt Inn No Runs H.S Ave B.F St.K/rate 100 50 4's 6's ct st
ODIs 26 23 3 620 76 31.00 825 75.15 0 5 67 1 10 0[B]

Average is ordinary at best for a guy who plays in the world champs. Strike Rate isn't as bad as one would think due to the length of time he takes to get his eye in. HS of 76 for a guy who has spent his whole time in ODI's opening is poor.

chapmanmagic35
23 Jan 2006, 13:52
Why should more questions be asked of Martyn? He is being used as an opener for no reason when clearly he is at his best at number 4. And im pretty sure his numbers are a fair bit better than Katich.

His dismissals as of late have been nothing short of terrible. Before last night, he had been bowled twice playing slogs in the first 10 overs.

I don't care where you bat, you should be more responsible with strokeplay.

Ricketts
23 Jan 2006, 14:27
He gets a start and supports Gillchrist through the new ball. Scoring rate is still high for the team.

Then he gets out because he has done his job and can hand it over to Ponting who is in next.

eddiesmith
23 Jan 2006, 14:37
Its funny, Jaques could turn out to be a one hit and wonder and make 10 scores under 10 if he got in, then what would you all say?

peternorth
23 Jan 2006, 14:41
Its funny, Jaques could turn out to be a one hit and wonder and make 10 scores under 10 if he got in, then what would you all say?

then we'd say give jacques the heave-ho.

Blue Red and Gold
23 Jan 2006, 14:42
Once again Eddie you base your post on fantasy.

eddiesmith
23 Jan 2006, 14:46
Once again Eddie you base your post on fantasy.
Well there is nothing to say Jaques will be a guaranteed superstar at ODI level, Katich has been servicable

Kane McGoodwin
23 Jan 2006, 14:50
Its funny, Jaques could turn out to be a one hit and wonder and make 10 scores under 10 if he got in, then what would you all say?
Jaques has consistently outpayed Katich in domestic ODI's (in the same side with the same conditions), so why wouldn't he consistently do it at national level. The bottom line is Katich's game isn't suited to ODI's - can't naturally play the unorthodox shots required (unlike Jaques).

Kane McGoodwin
23 Jan 2006, 14:51
He gets a start and supports Gillchrist through the new ball. Scoring rate is still high for the team.

Then he gets out because he has done his job and can hand it over to Ponting who is in next.
We need openers who are capable of also making a match-winning score (in addition to seeing off the new ball).

Blue Red and Gold
23 Jan 2006, 14:55
Lets just base your post on the facts.

Katich has had his fair share of opportunities in the national side and although his scores at time are passable he has not done enough to secure his spot and after so long on the national scene this is reason enough to drop him for a bloke who is playing out of skin at state level and outscored Katich in his first game.

eddiesmith
23 Jan 2006, 14:57
Lets just base your post on the facts.

Katich has had his fair share of opportunities in the national side and although his scores at time are passable he has not done enough to secure his spot and after so long on the national scene this is reason enough to drop him for a bloke who is playing out of skin at state level and outscored Katich in his first game.
But Australia no longer have an in form and young Gilly or Haydos or Junior smashing them all over the place, Australia need a player at the top to play a sensible innings, just look at Ponting, Martyn the last couple of matches, gone out playing stupid shots

Blue Red and Gold
23 Jan 2006, 15:02
But Katich hasnt done much better but batting at a slower rate, forcing others such as Ponting and Martyn.

You mention we do not have a Gilly or Haydos firing at the top of the order, and I agree we need one to compliment the middle order. Yet we had one with Jaques and they dropped him?

Doesnt make sense.

Smokey_22
23 Jan 2006, 15:27
They didnt drop Jaques, they just re-placed the injured katich. I struggle to wonder why katich is opening in the first place as hes not your stereotypical opener - more of your number four who plays conventionally. If Katich made those before mentioned scores at #4 then maybe the heat wouldnt be on him so much!?

I also think because he isnt your typical flair-oozing hero like gilchrist, Symonds, Ponting and co. he gets targeted a little. When you combine a borish personality with a conservative batting technique with a few low scores you'd better watch out because its not what the fans want. Especially in this era when Australia regularly topples 300 in the one day format. I posted before that he wasnt in my WC 15, so maybe this has affected me too?

ThePope
23 Jan 2006, 15:52
since the ICC trophy, opening the batting, he's averaged 34.5 from 8 innings at a SR of 72.3.

Martyn in that time's averaged 27 from 7. Clarke 52 from 10 but only 36 per innings if you don't account for 3 not outs, which are pretty hard for openers to get. Ponting 39 from 10.

Why are the knives out for Katich?

the_mighty_pies_3733
23 Jan 2006, 16:13
His dismissals as of late have been nothing short of terrible. Before last night, he had been bowled twice playing slogs in the first 10 overs.

I don't care where you bat, you should be more responsible with strokeplay.
Yes, but isnt it easier to improve your shot selection that how you actualy bat? Martyn has proved himself over a longer period of time, and hees played two stupid shots to get out. Dosent mean he should be dropped, rather he should pull his head in and play properly. Jaques proved himself worthy, and on stats and ability, Katich should be dropped not Martyn.

sportznut
23 Jan 2006, 18:03
I don't like what I heard from Ponting. He basically said that Katich and Gilchrist is our opening combo for the World Cup and that's that. What's going on? Why can't these guys see what we can see??? Katich should simply not be there and Jaques should be!

Ricketts
23 Jan 2006, 19:40
Why are the knives out for Katich?


It's because he lacks flair, and shuffles across the crease.

Dippers Donuts
23 Jan 2006, 19:55
Can't say I'm a huge fan of Katich - his technique at the moment is terrible; far too much shuffling across his stumps. Combined with that scooping, bottom handed technique of his it does not inspire confidence.

Much prefer Jaques (or even Hayden or Langer for that matter).

In his defence though his ODI strike rate is (IIRC) higher than Ponting's.

finders
23 Jan 2006, 21:00
since the ICC trophy, opening the batting, he's averaged 34.5 from 8 innings at a SR of 72.3.

Martyn in that time's averaged 27 from 7. Clarke 52 from 10 but only 36 per innings if you don't account for 3 not outs, which are pretty hard for openers to get. Ponting 39 from 10.

Why are the knives out for Katich?
Because when it counts he ********s himself against fast bowling and isnt good enough!

SorryIHammerChicken
23 Jan 2006, 21:35
He gets a start and supports Gillchrist through the new ball. Scoring rate is still high for the team.

Then he gets out because he has done his job and can hand it over to Ponting who is in next.
Then he might as well go out first ball and save us all the misery of watching him bat. If he can do that role in Tests fine, but we don't need someone like that in ODIs. Jaques is the man.

Take off your biased NSW hat for a minute Ricketts.

Kane McGoodwin
24 Jan 2006, 07:42
I don't like what I heard from Ponting. He basically said that Katich and Gilchrist is our opening combo for the World Cup and that's that. What's going on? Why can't these guys see what we can see??? Katich should simply not be there and Jaques should be!
Fortunately Hohns is not as convinced as Ponting & mentioned that he is concerned about our ODI's openers' form at the moment.

ARDENSTREETforever
24 Jan 2006, 07:55
Simon Katich: www.worstaussies.8m.com

ARDENSTREETforever
24 Jan 2006, 07:56
Hilarious site, newest inductee: SIMON KATICH!!

Bourky23
24 Jan 2006, 09:43
lol loved the quote by muller on the website

SorryIHammerChicken
24 Jan 2006, 15:14
Ouch..Andy Bichel is nominated for worst fast bowler - he has a similar Test record to Brett Lee :p

Unwritten_Law
24 Jan 2006, 15:22
Harsh on Bics and Hayden makes an appearance under worst batsman :eek:

eddiesmith
24 Jan 2006, 15:45
Awesome site :thumbsu:

ThePope
24 Jan 2006, 17:16
Awesome site :thumbsu:
Notice this comment Ed?
If its any consolation, you would all have had long and fruitful careers if you were born in England.

eddiesmith
24 Jan 2006, 17:21
Notice this comment Ed?
If its any consolation, you would all have had long and fruitful careers if you were born in England.
Yeah, but we had some ******** during the 80's and 90's

Wonder when he last updated his site seeing the bagging Freddie got

Bentleigh
24 Jan 2006, 18:54
Jacques > Katich

Bentleigh
24 Jan 2006, 18:57
Yeah, I've been getting a little tired of the Katich baggers, just because Jacques had a stunning debut.

I think Jaques should be in the side, but Katich has been pretty consistent, and it was only 10 days ago that he made 60 at the TD. If not for Martyn's poor calling, Katich may well have gone on and made a ton.

More questions should be asked of Damien Martyn.

:rolleyes:

Jacques -

2005-06 ING Cup: 104.00 @ 98.85

2005-06 Pura Cup: 56.55 @ 62.83
2004-05 Pura Cup: 66.16 @ 59.75

Bentleigh
24 Jan 2006, 19:02
since the ICC trophy, opening the batting, he's averaged 34.5 from 8 innings at a SR of 72.3.

Martyn in that time's averaged 27 from 7. Clarke 52 from 10 but only 36 per innings if you don't account for 3 not outs, which are pretty hard for openers to get. Ponting 39 from 10.

Why are the knives out for Katich?


Clarke: 45.56 @ 86.53 *
Martyn: 41.31 @ 78.62
Katich: 35 @ 75

*5th highest ever ODI average, 6th highest ever ODI strike rate


Clarke is brillant.
Marto is solid.
Katich sucks ass.

spookism
24 Jan 2006, 19:23
Clarke is brillant.
Marto is solid.
Katich sucks ass.


With out a doubt, the sooner Katich has his free ride cancelled in the Australian team the better - bring in the players that deserve it!

SorryIHammerChicken
24 Jan 2006, 21:35
Marto's a lovely player but he also needs to deliver. It's frustrating watch such a talented player go out the way he does, which is why he got cut after the Ashes. He was going through a similar patch back in 03/04 in one-dayers before they tried to open with him and he eventually turned the corner.

DynamoUltra
24 Jan 2006, 22:30
It doesn't matter if his form is good enough or not to be dropped, the fact remains that Jaques is the better opener and has more chance of playing the 2007 WC than Katich. Jaques > Katich therefore Jaques should play, not Katich.

Bentleigh
26 Jan 2006, 19:05
Very modest total needed. Katich gets himself out for 50 (not bad you say) yet wastes 90 balls in doing so.

Jaques in
Katich out.

Smokey_22
26 Jan 2006, 19:12
58, 43, 5, 30, 58, 47, 54, 36, 2, 52.

As much as i want jaques in instead, those are fair figures.

Bentleigh
26 Jan 2006, 19:15
ODI average of 31.

jozeph
26 Jan 2006, 19:16
Plays Murali ok too.

chapmanmagic35
26 Jan 2006, 19:17
Katich has a better technique than many in the team...

trigg
26 Jan 2006, 19:18
I would rather jacques but u couldnt drop katich with those figures. It would be a brave decision to dump katich. I thought jacques would of came in instead of ponting, i was wrong!!!

Bentleigh
26 Jan 2006, 19:20
D Hussey > Katich, Hodge

D Hussey should be going to the WC as the back up batsman.

gerta
26 Jan 2006, 19:21
I would rather jacques but u couldnt drop katich with those figures. It would be a brave decision to dump katich.

Exactly... Unfortunately for Jacques...

The Majestic
26 Jan 2006, 19:22
Katich did well, he won't be dropped, I don't think he would have been even if he didn't score 50.

Bentleigh
26 Jan 2006, 19:23
I like all Australian player, even Kato. He'd be a key player for a England or South Africa.

Fact is we need our very strongest 11 for the WC - brave decision are needed.

I know it, you know it. Most importantly they know it.

Jacques > Katich

trigg
26 Jan 2006, 19:23
Jacques should be in the side for the WC and Katich/D Hussey reserve batsmen.

GoSydneySwans
26 Jan 2006, 20:04
58, 43, 5, 30, 58, 47, 54, 36, 2, 52.

As much as i want jaques in instead, those are fair figures.
Jaques: 94

Fair figure there too. What's he done wrong, I ask you?

Also, why did the selectors decide to play Hodge if they wanted a batsman (which he hardly is)? Madness... unless there were non-cricketing issues, but that seems unlikely also. I'm sure Phil's mother would not be impressed at all.

Star
26 Jan 2006, 20:13
Katich 59 dot balls in a total of 52 runs :rolleyes:

Bentleigh
26 Jan 2006, 20:22
Jaques: 94

Fair figure there too. What's he done wrong, I ask you?

2005-06 ING Cup Batting - Most Runs

Name Mat I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St Team

PA Jaques 8 8 2 658 158* 109.66 99.24 4 - 3 - NSW

Katich 59 dot balls in a total of 52 runs :rolleyes:

Bingo.

Star
26 Jan 2006, 20:23
Bingo.

If you read enough threads here, apparently it was the pitch :rolleyes:

Bentleigh
26 Jan 2006, 20:26
If you read enough threads here, apparently it was the pitch :rolleyes:


------------- R - B
AC Gilchrist -- 34 - 33
A Symonds -- 32 - 33
MJ Clarke -- 16 - 18
MEK Hussey - 25 - 30


Funny that.

kosi_23
26 Jan 2006, 20:30
Jaques>Katich

But would be harsh to drop Kato

starz
26 Jan 2006, 23:43
I don't care about his stats.
He's soooo boring to watch, I always hope he gets out quickly for a low score.
I want to see attacking One Day batsmen not batsmen who will strike at 60 and never go over the top or go for sixes.
He's such a bore and he shouldn't be in the side.
He was the one of the big reasons we lost the ashes and nobody mentions it.

I can't speak more lowly of the bloke.

LIONS then DAYLIGHT
26 Jan 2006, 23:51
I don't care about his stats.
He's soooo boring to watch, I always hope he gets out quickly for a low score.
I want to see attacking One Day batsmen not batsmen who will strike at 60 and never go over the top or go for sixes.
He's such a bore and he shouldn't be in the side.
He was the one of the big reasons we lost the ashes and nobody mentions it.

I can't speak more lowly of the bloke.

Please leave the cricket board mate.

These type of posts just ruin it for everyone.

LIONS then DAYLIGHT
26 Jan 2006, 23:55
------------- R - B
AC Gilchrist -- 34 - 33
A Symonds -- 32 - 33
MJ Clarke -- 16 - 18
MEK Hussey - 25 - 30


Funny that.
Katich did a hell of a lot more than Hodge.

I've given my opinion, Katich is the type of batsmen we need opening against decent attacks.

Yes, granted, Katich might not blaze attacks to all corners but his scores in the opening position are consistent and they provide a platform to either set a score or chase one down.

Imagine how players like Symonds, Hussey, Clarke can smash runs quickly with a platform such as 2-120 of 25 overs.

Katich can help build this platform.

However, our middle order guns are vunerable if they are in a bad position and i would prefer stability mixed with aggresion at the top order rather than agression - agression especially with a player who is still in-experienced.

Katich does not deserve to be dropped. He is doing the job.

HurricaneHazza
27 Jan 2006, 00:00
You can not degrade a player that has played for Australia. It is a fair feat to make State side let alone representing your country. Instead of slinging abuse and every single player, and comparing, why doesn't everyone incourage Australia as a team to succeed. You have to be good to be a state player, so I don't see how anyone can be a "hack".

thecoastingcoaster
27 Jan 2006, 00:04
Katich maybe a hack but he's our hack and that's why we love him.

LIONS then DAYLIGHT
27 Jan 2006, 00:08
You can not degrade a player that has played for Australia. It is a fair feat to make State side let alone representing your country. Instead of slinging abuse and every single player, and comparing, why doesn't everyone incourage Australia as a team to succeed. You have to be good to be a state player, so I don't see how anyone can be a "hack".
Great Post. :thumbsu:

crownie
27 Jan 2006, 00:29
you goota have a player like katich amongst of group of guys who bat like Millionaires

LIONS then DAYLIGHT
27 Jan 2006, 00:37
you goota have a player like katich amongst of group of guys who bat like Millionaires

Finally, some sense.

Rob B
27 Jan 2006, 04:50
Katich does an OK job opening up but I think he should be converting more of these starts he gets. I don't think it is good batsmanship to spend ages getting 40 or 50 in an ODI opening up and then consistently get out shortly afterwards, he should be converting.

Regarding Hodge....I can't help but feel Edward and the like will still be getting giddy over his 200 come the Ashes.

Rob B
27 Jan 2006, 04:51
I don't care about his stats.
He's soooo boring to watch, I always hope he gets out quickly for a low score.
I want to see attacking One Day batsmen not batsmen who will strike at 60 and never go over the top or go for sixes.
He's such a bore and he shouldn't be in the side.
He was the one of the big reasons we lost the ashes and nobody mentions it.

I can't speak more lowly of the bloke.

You remind me of those pathetic Pakistan fans who complain when not enough sixes are hit, and leave the stadiums in their flocks when their favourite slogger gets out. :thumbsd:

Jumpin' Jimmy
27 Jan 2006, 05:35
Hodge = History

in ODI level a least

What sort of a brain explosion would make selectors bring Hodge in and not Jaques FFS?

Oh that's right Big Merv is now a selector :rolleyes:

gerta
27 Jan 2006, 05:57
You remind me of those pathetic Pakistan fans who complain when not enough sixes are hit, and leave the stadiums in their flocks when their favourite slogger gets out. :thumbsd:

And then they go and burn down his house ;)

LarryLong
27 Jan 2006, 05:57
You can not degrade a player that has played for Australia.
I think you just broke the BigFooty Cricket Board Constitution. :)

starz
27 Jan 2006, 06:56
He's not a one day batsman. If we have a decent total to chase he uses up too many balls. So he is a test batsman? no, he's ordinary at test level aswell.

That game was live around Australia and the best he could come up with was 50 off 90, of that his most attacking shot was a chip over the bowlers head.

Half his runs were glances and edges to fine leg and third man.

Did he send anyone else to sleep? thank god the tennis was on.
All our other batsmen are entertainers, except Katich who just plays to keep his spot in the team.


Anyone >>>>>> Katich