Why other supporters think Melbourne is soft.

[Joffaboy]

I would like to know why there is a perception out in the football world that Melbourne is the softest team in the League.

I can only give a personal perspective. I saw them play twice last season against my team . In Round 1 they played a severely undermanned Saints team and lost Cameron Bruce early. With this undermanned team the Saints spanked Melbourne by eight goals with Daniher admitting his side had dogged it during the latter part of the third quarter so he had to flood fron then on. Obviously Melbourne didn't have the heart for the contest.

Round 2. We see the farcicial pre meditated attack on Riewoldt, about six Melbourne "hard men" (:D ) lined up to bump Riewolts shoulder. Unfortunately this show of strength didn't translate into putting your head over the ball and Melbourne ended up being humiliated by the Saints by 78 point, in the process getting the be-jesus smashed out of them physically ending the game with about half dozen injuries. I will have an enduring memory of Adem Yze hanging around behind pack looking for cheap kicks, and not once getting his own ball.

So this is my perception of Melbourne. Miller looks like a goer, and they have recruited the biggest sniper in the League in Pickett but still they seem a very timid team.

Anyone have any other perceptions?

[richmondgal]

Well i don't think that Melbourne is soft. I never thought that Melbourne would be soft anyway, well if they didn't get into the finals this year they would have to be tough.

[Catnip]

Perhaps the question should be if Melbourne thinks Melbourne is soft with players like Miller, Maloney and now Pickett being introduced to the side in recent years.

FWIW, I don't think that there are 'soft' teams, but some players go in harder than others. I sit on my backside in front of a computer all day so I won't be calling anyone who trains their ar5e5 off like these lads do soft, but it's all relative I suppose.

[JeffDunne]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5000047,00.jpg
Cheap shots at players with their head over the ball.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5000045,00.jpg
Fear

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5000044,00.jpg
Ouch!

[Bentleigh]

Melbourne = soft.

Fact.

[Lets Talk AFL]

I would like to know why there is a perception out in the football world that Melbourne is the softest team in the League.

I can only give a personal perspective. I saw them play twice last season against my team . In Round 1 they played a severely undermanned Saints team and lost Cameron Bruce early. With this undermanned team the Saints spanked Melbourne by eight goals with Daniher admitting his side had dogged it during the latter part of the third quarter so he had to flood fron then on. Obviously Melbourne didn't have the heart for the contest.

Round 2. We see the farcicial pre meditated attack on Riewoldt, about six Melbourne "hard men" (:D ) lined up to bump Riewolts shoulder. Unfortunately this show of strength didn't translate into putting your head over the ball and Melbourne ended up being humiliated by the Saints by 78 point, in the process getting the be-jesus smashed out of them physically ending the game with about half dozen injuries. I will have an enduring memory of Adem Yze hanging around behind pack looking for cheap kicks, and not once getting his own ball.

So this is my perception of Melbourne. Miller looks like a goer, and they have recruited the biggest sniper in the League in Pickett but still they seem a very timid team.

Anyone have any other perceptions?

Funny, thats exactly the way i remembered watching melbourne last year also :D They were pathetic in their "attacks" on riewoldt!! How good was riewoldt he smashed em with marks and kicks from Half Back from memory!!! That was a great game Dal Santo got what 4 or 5 in the first quarter was one brilliant game.

Demons 2005 = Soft

Although who knows in 2006 with pickett maybe he'll teach em a few things over the summer but really how do you teach to take broken noses like luke ball does??? Sorry dee supporters but I dont think you can!!!:o

You either have the guts to go in or you don't!!

[Demon3]

Its funny hearing soft remarks from saints fans. If you guys didn't know we beat you's 7 times in a row before last year and i didn't hear 1 soft comment then. I mean i like st kilda i was going for em when we were knocked out, but if anyone is soft they are, crying over Reiwoltd in round 1, choking in the prelim again. That all points to being mentally soft IMO.

[RedLegs#5]

Interesting thread. But let’s be realistic. People who think Melbourne is soft secretly admire them or secretly fear them. Everyone knows that on their day Melbourne can crush any team. Yes we do have softer fringe players, but they're the ones with silky skills. And even they aren't soft...they just play a more receiving role (like a Craig Bradley). They still put their head over the ball/lay tackles etc all the time. Successful teams need these types of midfielders.

We crunch many players/teams every season and will continue to do so for years to come (especially with the inclusion of Pickett and Jones). As people well know....the wait before Melbourne runs completely rampant is not too far away.

And what's anyone going to do about it?

Brick wall!

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,434085,00.jpg

CRUNCH! Yaaabbllleeett!

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,344812,00.jpg

Green and Miller...double the trouble!

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/28/80melb2_gallery__550x345.jpg

[Catnip]

Plenty of courage displayed in all three of your pics there Redlegs ;)

[RedLegs#5]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5000047,00.jpg

P.S. Not cheap.......great!!

Crushed in the play. Similar to you guys being consistently crushed each time before you can get "your" premiership. :cool: :thumbsu:

[RedLegs#5]

Plenty of courage displayed in all three of your pics there Redlegs ;)
Especially the middle one. Look at your 'prodigy'....

Such a pansy :cool: :thumbsu:

[melbournemartin]

that was the best and only good thing Guerra did all year.

from my point of view, Melbourne has for many years had slick classy outside midfielders such as Bruce, Yze and Johnstone. You cannot deny that they have exceptional skills, especially TJ, but on the flip side, it is hard to argue that over the years they have developed much toughness around the packs. TJ did improove on that this year dramatically through but he rellies on his class, balance and evasive skills to get the ball from packs.....the same goes for Aaron Davey but ofcourse he was never expected to be a 'tough man'

ofcourse, you cant win premierships just with slick outside midfielders and melbourne has found that out the hard way. they have taken the step in the right direction in recent years with recruiting. we recruited McLean and Sylvia, 2 players with great skills and ready made bodies. in previous years, we may have gone for Tenace who has blistering pace, and superb skills but is an outside midfielder.....but still a very good one.

we also picked up Moloney who, while plays like an outside midfielder (like a tough wingman) has the body and aggression to go into the bottom of backs and come out with the ball in future years. Nathan Jones is like a Brock McLean type and will add much to the team.

recruiting Pickett...imo wasn't because ND thought that we need some toughness in the next 2 years because if we don't win a premiership soon, we never will. His main job will be a defensive mentor and an overall agrression mentor (hopefully controlled)

Neitz.....i don't think anyone has ever doubted his agrression/toughness. ofcourse he lacks consistancy but he is 30.....

Miller....well he is an interesting one. he defiantly has potential.I really think that he is a possible future leader but I am not a fan of late shots to the head as shown in that pic of him and andrew thompson. the Ken McGregor hit springs to mind also.

[NorthBhoy]

I think they are/were softish because of their playing lists. They always seem to have more than the average number of softish footballers. I don't mean cowards BTW, just 'ball carriers'.

But their supporters are by far the least involved, least passionate going around. Absolute push overs. No heart. Sit on their hands, they are absolute crap at crowd banter and scurry like rats when challenged with facetious comments.

Melbourne supporters = rubbish.

[Falchoon]

Its funny hearing soft remarks from saints fans. If you guys didn't know we beat you's 7 times in a row before last year and i didn't hear 1 soft comment then. I mean i like st kilda i was going for em when we were knocked out, but if anyone is soft they are, crying over Reiwoltd in round 1, choking in the prelim again. That all points to being mentally soft IMO.

Melbourne don't win crunch games, Melbourne aren't competitive in crunch games. Those 7 games against the Saints weren't crunch games, Melbourne are mentally soft.

[JeffDunne]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5000047,00.jpg

P.S. Not cheap.......great!!

Crushed in the play. Similar to you guys being consistently crushed each time before you can get "your" premiership. :cool: :thumbsu:
It was a cheap shot.

As for the last part . . . you are a Melbourne supporter . . . your team the masters of the late season nose dive (something about pressure and Melbourne) . . . and remind me . . . your last flag was?

Melbourne are soft like Freo are soft. When the pressure is on they wilt. The minute Melbourne hit the top of the ladder, it's a safe bet they'll buckle over the next month. Finals time . . . LMFAO!!!

[The Fireman]

???? can't see anything tough here
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,434085,00.jpg

or here.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,344812,00.jpg

Took 2 to strip an opposition player, gay and soft.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/28/80melb2_gallery__550x345.jpg

SOFT.

[Catnip]

Especially the middle one. Look at your 'prodigy'....

Such a pansy :cool: :thumbsu:

Junior cops heaps and fights on Legs...just like the Catters :thumbsu:

[Falchoon]

[QUOTE=RedLegs#5]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,434085,00.jpg

didn't he miss?

[celtic_pride]

There are softer sides going around - IE geelong and collingwood.

[LightTower4]

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/09/10/pt_sp_floatsaint_1109_ent-lead__200x282.jpg

http://www.themediaeye.com/images/baby.jpg

[JeffDunne]

There are softer sides going around - IE geelong and collingwood.
Geelong and Collingwood?

I think your forgot someone.

[Unwritten_Law]

Elimination Final

Geelong 5.4 12.5 16.8 18.8 116
Melbourne 2.3 6.4 6.6 9.7 61

Date: 04-Sep-2005 Att: 65,018 Venue: M.C.G.
Geelong won by 55 pts

Not even a yelp.

[HBF]

Geelong and Collingwood?

I think your forgot someone.

I wonder who that would be JD..?? hmmm

[JeffDunne]

I wonder who that would be JD..?? hmmm
:)

No comment.

[demondavey]

I would like to know why there is a perception out in the football world that Melbourne is the softest team in the League.

I can only give a personal perspective. I saw them play twice last season against my team . In Round 1 they played a severely undermanned Saints team and lost Cameron Bruce early. With this undermanned team the Saints spanked Melbourne by eight goals with Daniher admitting his side had dogged it during the latter part of the third quarter so he had to flood fron then on. Obviously Melbourne didn't have the heart for the contest.

Round 2. We see the farcicial pre meditated attack on Riewoldt, about six Melbourne "hard men" (:D ) lined up to bump Riewolts shoulder. Unfortunately this show of strength didn't translate into putting your head over the ball and Melbourne ended up being humiliated by the Saints by 78 point, in the process getting the be-jesus smashed out of them physically ending the game with about half dozen injuries. I will have an enduring memory of Adem Yze hanging around behind pack looking for cheap kicks, and not once getting his own ball.

So this is my perception of Melbourne. Miller looks like a goer, and they have recruited the biggest sniper in the League in Pickett but still they seem a very timid team.

Anyone have any other perceptions?

Right. As for the record, melbourne contains players such as Brent Moloney, Colin Sylvia, Brock McLean, Brad Miller, David Neitz, Byron Pickett, Matt Whelan, Nathan Brown. These guys are not soft. And dont anyone dare say that Brown or Whelan is soft. Dont you dare say it. Whelan is as tough as they come and very very underrated. Nathan Brown is courageous, he gets his head knocked off most weeks as he constantly has it over the ball. For god's sake saints supporters give these guys some ********ing respect. You demand respect regarding your playing list but refuse to honour anyone else's ability. Dogs. Thats what you are.

Weak hey? Round 1 vs Brisbane. Your captain was shirtfronted by Charman, he was then manhandled by Michael and Scott and was seen in the grandstand crying for ********s sake. Soft? Soft? Who is soft pal? The only player to approach Michael or Scott was Hamill, the only player after your captain was felled. Talk about a pitiful performance. Disgraceful. Absolutely ******** poor. One player stood up to them, one. Justify that saints fans and dont you shy away from it cause you know that your players cowered like wimps at the sight of Michael and Scott. Matt Maguire was a disgrace in the prelim final. Tummy tapped by Barry Hall and he whinged and cowered like a woman. You lost that game because you were intimidated and overpowered. Your team is a pathetic bunch of squibs. Get over yourselves saints fans.

[demondavey]

Melbourne don't win crunch games, Melbourne aren't competitive in crunch games. Those 7 games against the Saints weren't crunch games, Melbourne are mentally soft.

Why the do they have to be crunch games? We beat you cause we were better than you. Ok. Deal with it. Your not that good.

[NorthBhoy]

I think they are/were softish because of their playing lists. They always seem to have more than the average number of softish footballers. I don't mean cowards BTW, just 'ball carriers'.

But their supporters are by far the least involved, least passionate going around. Absolute push overs. No heart. Sit on their hands, they are absolute crap at crowd banter and scurry like rats when challenged with facetious comments.

Melbourne supporters = rubbish.

The total lack of retribution for the above proves my point beyond any doubt. If I had written this about any other club in the comp there would have been at least ONE supporter reply to it and have a crack.

Nothing.

Passionless bunch they are.

[LightTower4]

The total lack of retribution for the above proves my point beyond any doubt. If I had written this about any other club in the comp there would have been at least ONE supporter reply to it and have a crack.

Nothing.

Passionless bunch they are.

Not biting? Poor troll.

[Tas]

I don't think Melbourne are soft. I just don't think they put as much emphasis on the physical side of football as some other clubs do.

I do not think Melbourne is any softer than say the Eagles. You do not need to be a rough and tough side to be effective if you are highly skilled. You just need enough fortitude that you are not put off your game by a team that is willing to go physical.

Ideally, you want a side that doesn't rely on physical intimidation but is capable of holding their own when they are put under that kind of pressure.

Sheedy thought our side was soft in the 90s because we played a fast, free-flowing attacking game and didn't just thug our way around. When they tested us we stood up. If you stand up to it then people do not question your physical intensity. You can stand up to it by absorbing the physical contests and winning on the scoreboard.

Melbourne just need to learn to weather the storm and let the scoreboard do the talking. Unfortunately, they seem to be rattled at times when sides go physical and until they hold firm people will continue to try and exploit weaknesses.

It is the same thing Reiwoldt had to go through on a personal level, until he was able to weather the storm sides were quick to 'test' him. It is part of the game.

[The Fireman]

I don't think Melbourne are soft. I just don't think they put as much emphasis on the physical side of football as some other clubs do.


which equals soft.

[The Fireman]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1383/softmelb4we.jpg
:o

[JUBJUB]

There are softer sides going around - IE geelong and collingwood.

Good to see you're still bitter Karl.
Enjoy the upcoming season.You can see you mob [if you haven't jumped off that bandwagon] collect another spoon.

[Joffaboy]

[QUOTE=demondavey]
Right. As for the record, melbourne contains players such as Brent Moloney, Colin Sylvia, Brock McLean, Brad Miller, David Neitz, Byron Pickett, Matt Whelan, Nathan Brown.

Soft, soft, soft, psuedo hard man, soft, urbersniper, soft, marshmellow

These guys are not soft.

As Butter

And dont anyone dare say that Brown or Whelan is soft. Dont you dare say it.

Softer than Delta

Whelan is as tough as they come and very very underrated. Nathan Brown is courageous, he gets his head knocked off most weeks as he constantly has it over the ball.

Softer and softer

For god's sake saints supporters give these guys some fuc*ing respect.

softc@@ks deserve no respect

You demand respect regarding your playing list but refuse to honour anyone else's ability. Dogs. Thats what you are.

Like you give them

Weak hey? Round 1 vs Brisbane. Your captain was shirtfronted by Charman, he was then manhandled by Michael and Scott and was seen in the grandstand crying for fuc*s sake.

this is not about Riewoldt. It is about soft as butter Melbourne, please stick to the thread topic.

Soft? Soft? Who is soft pal?

Melbourne is soft. Soft as butter

The only player to approach Michael or Scott was Hamill, the only player after your captain was felled. Talk about a pitiful performance. Disgraceful. Absolutely pis* poor. One player stood up to them, one. Justify that saints fans and dont you shy away from it cause you know that your players cowered like wimps at the sight of Michael and Scott. Your as weak as pis*.

How did your team go against the Saints softie? How dids the Saints go against brisbane R22 marshmellow boy?


Matt Maguire was a disgrace in the prelim final. Tummy tapped by Barry Hall and he whinged and cowered like a woman. You lost that game because you were intimidated and overpowered.


Not about Mathew McGuire. Its about how soft Melbourne are. Please stick to the topic.

Your team is a pathetic bunch of squibs. Get over yourselves saints fans.

How soft must Melbourne be then? Got thrashed in R1 against an undermanned Saints and then got absolutely smashed after playing hard man before the bounce.

Got absolutely smashed both on the scoreboard and on the field. 78 points and about half a dozen injuries. God we laughed at you lot of **********weak softies. Especially Yze, what a cheap kick merchant.

Melbourne = softest team in the League.
:)

[Joffaboy]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1383/softmelb4we.jpg
:o

Nice :)

[lazy]

Saints fans,

I respect what you are trying to say here but after your captains performance crying like a little girl (and Swans strength over Saints in PF) Im not sure I would be saying anything about being soft or showing pictures of marshmellows.

But for the record. Melbourne is soft and it stems from the coach.

Will never get hard under ND. Too nice to the players.

[AndyLucimitis]

This thread is hilarious - Melbourne and St.Kilda fans debating over who is the hardest.

This is the equivalent of John Michael Howson and Molly Meldrum having a mud-wrestle !

[JeffDunne]

This is the equivalent of John Michael Howson and Molly Meldrum having a mud-wrestle !
Ryan Houlihan would pass as their love-child.

[harry_hawka]

MERGER?

Yes please! :thumbsu:

[The Fireman]

Saints fans,

(and Swans strength over Saints in PF)
:confused: Strength over an injured side??

[lazy]

:confused: Strength over an injured side??

Oh please:cool:

[JeffDunne]

Oh please:cool:
And the final in 2004?

What was Sydney's excuse again?

[demondavey]

:confused: Strength over an injured side??

Oh god get over yourself and cut out the old 'injury' excuse. You lost cause you were not good enough. Who was missing that would have influenced the game? hey? Who? Hamill! Ha, Hall would have wiped him away like a fly.

[demondavey]

[QUOTE=demondavey]
Right. As for the record, melbourne contains players such as Brent Moloney, Colin Sylvia, Brock McLean, Brad Miller, David Neitz, Byron Pickett, Matt Whelan, Nathan Brown.

Soft, soft, soft, psuedo hard man, soft, urbersniper, soft, marshmellow

These guys are not soft.

As Butter

And dont anyone dare say that Brown or Whelan is soft. Dont you dare say it.

Softer than Delta

Whelan is as tough as they come and very very underrated. Nathan Brown is courageous, he gets his head knocked off most weeks as he constantly has it over the ball.

Softer and softer

For god's sake saints supporters give these guys some fuc*ing respect.

softc@@ks deserve no respect

You demand respect regarding your playing list but refuse to honour anyone else's ability. Dogs. Thats what you are.

Like you give them

Weak hey? Round 1 vs Brisbane. Your captain was shirtfronted by Charman, he was then manhandled by Michael and Scott and was seen in the grandstand crying for fuc*s sake.

this is not about Riewoldt. It is about soft as butter Melbourne, please stick to the thread topic.

Soft? Soft? Who is soft pal?

Melbourne is soft. Soft as butter

The only player to approach Michael or Scott was Hamill, the only player after your captain was felled. Talk about a pitiful performance. Disgraceful. Absolutely pis* poor. One player stood up to them, one. Justify that saints fans and dont you shy away from it cause you know that your players cowered like wimps at the sight of Michael and Scott. Your as weak as pis*.

How did your team go against the Saints softie? How dids the Saints go against brisbane R22 marshmellow boy?


Matt Maguire was a disgrace in the prelim final. Tummy tapped by Barry Hall and he whinged and cowered like a woman. You lost that game because you were intimidated and overpowered.


Not about Mathew McGuire. Its about how soft Melbourne are. Please stick to the topic.

Your team is a pathetic bunch of squibs. Get over yourselves saints fans.

How soft must Melbourne be then? Got thrashed in R1 against an undermanned Saints and then got absolutely smashed after playing hard man before the bounce.

Got absolutely smashed both on the scoreboard and on the field. 78 points and about half a dozen injuries. God we laughed at you lot of **********weak softies. Especially Yze, what a cheap kick merchant.

Melbourne = softest team in the League.


:)

Ok. You say this thread is not about Maguire and Riewoldt yet you bag melbourne for being soft so we cant bag you back? What are you *********ng royalty

[AndyLucimitis]

Oh god get over yourself and cut out the old 'injury' excuse. You lost cause you were not good enough. Who was missing that would have influenced the game? hey? Who? Hamill! Ha, Hall would have wiped him away like a fly.


Hamill hasn't had a kick in a final for 5 years.

[lazy]

And the final in 2004?

What was Sydney's excuse again?

We were not good enough.

See its easy. Thats all you have to say for 05 rather than making excuses.

[The Fireman]

Oh god get over yourself and cut out the old 'injury' excuse. You lost cause you were not good enough. Who was missing that would have influenced the game? hey? Who? Hamill! Ha, Hall would have wiped him away like a fly.
When I say Melbourne are soft, that goes without saying, but we have an added bonus of their supporters being soft in the head :p

[Johnson#26]

Melbourne are not soft - no AFL team is. Its a pretty tough caper. But they do lack physicallity. Pickett will certainly help in this area, while in time, Nathan Jones and Colin Sylvia will both bolster this department. Moloney, too, is physical, and Bruce can't be labelled soft.

I wouldn't want to get in the way of Neitz or Miller.

The Demons are labelled 'soft' due to the fact that they tend to fall away when it counts (save for 2000). Finals and all - it is the way that they have capitulated that has earnt them the dreaded tag. Collingwood, too, have sufferred from it.

[Theseventhhamster]

So this is your revenge for looking stupid in the Goddard thread. Not getting much support are you? You know why I like bulldogs supporters, they don't go around like they have a devine right to a premiership just because they have a talented team. Saints fans these days are like Bombers fans in 2000 arrogant as hell. At least the Bombers had something to be arrogant about, StKilda are soft chokers.

[ant555]

I would like to know why there is a perception out in the football world that Melbourne is the softest team in the League.

I can only give a personal perspective. I saw them play twice last season against my team . In Round 1 they played a severely undermanned Saints team and lost Cameron Bruce early. With this undermanned team the Saints spanked Melbourne by eight goals with Daniher admitting his side had dogged it during the latter part of the third quarter so he had to flood fron then on. Obviously Melbourne didn't have the heart for the contest.

Round 2. We see the farcicial pre meditated attack on Riewoldt, about six Melbourne "hard men" (:D ) lined up to bump Riewolts shoulder. Unfortunately this show of strength didn't translate into putting your head over the ball and Melbourne ended up being humiliated by the Saints by 78 point, in the process getting the be-jesus smashed out of them physically ending the game with about half dozen injuries. I will have an enduring memory of Adem Yze hanging around behind pack looking for cheap kicks, and not once getting his own ball.

So this is my perception of Melbourne. Miller looks like a goer, and they have recruited the biggest sniper in the League in Pickett but still they seem a very timid team.

Anyone have any other perceptions?


To be blunt, mainly because they find a way to turn it up when it counts. Last year they did well to fight back and make the 8 after looking gone only to completly stuff it up with an incipid effort in the finals again. They win games during the year and look really good at times but when it counts they rarely produce.

[The Fireman]

Oh please:cool:
:confused: it was the walking wounded in the last quarter.
Ball _ Groin, Hughton_ cramping for the best part of the game (underdone)although had a good 3rd q., Maguire _ Hip Flexor, DalSanto_A/c joint, Ackland _calf.
Having Hamill, Kosi, Penny,Clarke out with injury didn't help.
It was a miracle we were in front at 3 quarter time.
So get your facts straight instead of being Lazy.:)

[The Fireman]

So this is your revenge for looking stupid in the Goddard thread. Not getting much support are you?
Don't kid yourself mate, this thread is exactly about your teams softness.
A poll would have Melb right up there as the softest.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1383/softmelb4we.jpg

[JeffDunne]

We were not good enough.

See its easy. Thats all you have to say for 05 rather than making excuses.
I think that's what "we" said . . . wasn't it?

You would have to be an idiot to suggest though that injuries didn't hurt our chances in 2005. Having said that, we did win in Adelaide with similar problems and we did have the week off. So while injuries hampered our performance, they weren't the only reason we lost to Sydney.

Here, let me say it, Sydney beat us because they were better on the night.

[lazy]

:confused: it was the walking wounded in the last quarter.
Ball _ Groin, Hughton_ cramping for the best part of the game (underdone)although had a good 3rd q., Maguire _ Hip Flexor, DalSanto_A/c joint, Ackland _calf.
Having Hamill, Kosi, Penny,Clarke out with injury didn't help.
It was a miracle we were in front at 3 quarter time.
So get your facts straight instead of being Lazy.:)

Yep the bookmakers and the tipsters had Swans winning by 10 goals. Its amazing the Saints good keep it close to 3/4 time with their week off:cool:

[lazy]

I think that's what "we" said . . . wasn't it?

You would have to be an idiot to suggest though that injuries didn't hurt our chances in 2005. Having said that, we did win in Adelaide with similar problems and we did have the week off. So while injuries hampered our performance, they weren't the only reason we lost to Sydney.

Here, let me say it, Sydney beat us because they were better on the night.

Thanks Jeff, now you can go back to slagging off Melbourne:D

[Joffaboy]

[QUOTE=Theseventhhamster]

So this is your revenge for looking stupid in the Goddard thread. Not getting much support are you?

WTF? Now soft marshmellow Melbourne supporters are bring Goddard into the Melbourne is soft thread? Cant any of these softies keep to the subject?

And if you read it sonny there is quite a lot of support for my POV.

You know why I like bulldogs supporters, they don't go around like they have a devine right to a premiership just because they have a talented team.

What have Bulldog supporters got to do with Melbourne being soft. Stick to the topic or FAR COUGH.

ints fans these days are like Bombers fans in 2000 arrogant as hell. At least the Bombers had something to be arrogant about, StKilda are soft chokers.

Our 'soft chokers' beat the living s.hite out of the pussies from Melbourne, not once but twice.

Second game was one of the most embarrassing thing I had ever seen on a football field. Almost laughed at the "hard men" of Melbourne acting tough before the start of the game. Too bad they didn't have the heart to actually put their head over the ball during it.

What a bunch of sissy Marshmellows. How we only beat this pack of pansies by 13 goals is beyond me. :)

[Joffaboy]

Yep the bookmakers and the tipsters had Swans winning by 10 goals. Its amazing the Saints good keep it close to 3/4 time with their week off:cool:

What has this got to do with A Melbourne is soft thread?

Please stick to the topic lazy.

[Falchoon]

Weak hey? Round 1 vs Brisbane. Your captain was shirtfronted by Charman, he was then manhandled by Michael and Scott and was seen in the grandstand crying for fuc*s sake. Soft? Soft? Who is soft pal? The only player to approach Michael or Scott was Hamill, the only player after your captain was felled. Talk about a pitiful performance. Disgraceful. Absolutely pis* poor. One player stood up to them, one. Justify that saints fans and dont you shy away from it cause you know that your players cowered like wimps at the sight of Michael and Scott. Your as weak as pis*.

and yet those same players stood up to and then intimidated Melbourne, twice. In fact Riewoldt was targeted more than the Brisbane game. Soft

Brisbane > St Kilda > Melbourne. Although speaking of Brisbane we did manage our highest score ever in the return bout, clearly soft and intimidated,


Matt Maguire was a disgrace in the prelim final. Tummy tapped by Barry Hall and he whinged and cowered like a woman. You lost that game because you were intimidated and overpowered. Your team is a pathetic bunch of squibs. Get over yourselves saints fans.

Yet we got there because other teams are even softer and more easily intimidated.

[lazy]

What has this got to do with A Melbourne is soft thread?

Please stick to the topic lazy.

Just replying to your buddy fireman who seems to think that the Swans were red hot favs in the PF and that the Sainters were doing well to keep it close to 3/4 time.

Now back to your topic... Melbourne are soft:D

[Falchoon]

Why the do they have to be crunch games? We beat you cause we were better than you. Ok. Deal with it. Your not that good.

That's tight, when teams are better than another talent wise, they'll usually win

But when they're fairly evenly matched talent wise, mental toughness will generally shine through, particularly towards the end of the season.

[Joffaboy]

[QUOTE=lazy]

Just replying to your buddy fireman who seems to think that the Swans were red hot favs in the PF and that the Sainters were doing well to keep it close to 3/4 time.

Weren't they?? :confused: :eek:

Now back to your topic... Melbourne are soft

True. Yes they are easliy the softest team in the League.

[The Fireman]

Just replying to your buddy fireman who seems to think that the Swans were red hot favs in the PF and that the Sainters were doing well to keep it close to 3/4 time.

Now back to your topic... Melbourne are soft:D
umm just off topic again to clear something up.
I never thought the Swans were favs, I was simply highlighting our injury plight which played a huge part in the result. I was responding to your silly "Oh Please " post. and Yes Melbourne are the Softest going around. :)

[Lach72]

It was a cheap shot.

As for the last part . . . you are a Melbourne supporter . . . your team the masters of the late season nose dive (something about pressure and Melbourne) . . . and remind me . . . your last flag was?

Melbourne are soft like Freo are soft. When the pressure is on they wilt. The minute Melbourne hit the top of the ladder, it's a safe bet they'll buckle over the next month. Finals time . . . LMFAO!!!
Like Round 21 Jeff?

[JeffDunne]

Like Round 21 Jeff?
No that was umpires proving how soft they can be to criticism.

Now remind me, who did your run to the finals go again?

[Joffaboy]

Like Round 21 Jeff?

Greatest win in freo's history (helped by the umpires - you must be proud).

Anyway what has this got to do with melbourne being even softer than those WA softc@@ks????

[Lach72]

No that was umpires proving how soft they can be to criticism.

Now remind me, who did your run to the finals go again?
Hang on I thought it was injuries? No?

Now remind me, who did your run to the finals go again?[/
Only a few weeks before you guys...Hmm...39 years and counting

[The Fireman]

Hang on I thought it was injuries? No?

Now remind me, who did your run to the finals go again?[/
Only a few weeks before you guys...Hmm...39 years and counting
:D never and counting for you mate. After the Dees you guys are as soft as.

[Lach72]

:D never and counting for you mate. After the Dees you guys are as soft as.
...after 39 years, you're closer to never again!! :D

[goDees22]

I think they are/were softish because of their playing lists. They always seem to have more than the average number of softish footballers. I don't mean cowards BTW, just 'ball carriers'.

But their supporters are by far the least involved, least passionate going around. Absolute push overs. No heart. Sit on their hands, they are absolute crap at crowd banter and scurry like rats when challenged with facetious comments.

Melbourne supporters = rubbish.

for 80% of them id say thats a good call. i hate alot of our supporters, the stuck up bastards.

melbourne are not a tough team, but are definitely not the softest in the leaguem and not as soft as some ppl on here go on about.

[The Fireman]

for 80% of them id say thats a good call. i hate alot of our supporters, the stuck up bastards.

melbourne are not a tough team, but are definitely not the softest in the leaguem and not as soft as some ppl on here go on about.
Well well well, blow me over, an honest opinion. Come and join the Saints mate;)

[goDees22]

asdf

[The Fireman]

at least we dont cry about our injuries (im not talkin bout riewoldt crying either, i mean you.)
How do you know I was crying????...:o ;)

[ExTasDeeMan]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5000047,00.jpg



I think he was aiming for Heffernan....

[Jarka]

Here Joffa goes again, blah blah blah.

The problem that alot of people get into here is that they confuse being soft with not being good enough. Quite simply, one week in the finals was a good indication of where Melbourne was last year. They won a couple of really hard fought out contests that they weren't expected to win, such as the away win against Sydney.

So what's a good example of a soft team? Answer - St.Kilda.
They were easily the most talented team last year, even with the injuries they had it should have been a cake walk for them. They have all the skill and flair in the world but they don't have the mental toughness to consistently win finals footy. Look at their captain, in tears after his injury, would Buckley, Neitz or Voss (or any of the other 15 captains) have sooked on the way he did? Poor ol Max is another one.

Melbourne may have been not up to last year but at least I know they're not mentally soft like the Saints are.

[demondavey]

umm just off topic again to clear something up.
I never thought the Swans were favs, I was simply highlighting our injury plight which played a huge part in the result. I was responding to your silly "Oh Please " post. and Yes Melbourne are the Softest going around. :)

You are full of excuses arent you? Oh someone hurt his groin, someone hurt his hammy, kosi wasnt out there to hold hamill's coc*, oh boo hoo. You lost cause you were beaten by a better side and thats that. Hey guess what? Yu cant label melbourne soft when your skipper is a cry baby. End of story. plain and simple.

[demondavey]

Greatest win in freo's history (helped by the umpires - you must be proud).

Anyway what has this got to do with melbourne being even softer than those WA softc@@ks????

God your a tosser! you are so full of excuses. Everytime you lose there has to be an excuse dosent there? Hey? Every time? You are full of it. Its an insult to your second tier players, saying they cant stand up and be counted on. Sydney are 5 times better than you and thats that. DOnt ever call melbourne soft when your captain is a cry baby.

[The Fireman]

God your a tosser! you are so full of excuses. Everytime you lose there has to be an excuse dosent there? Hey? Every time? You are full of it. Its an insult to your second tier players, saying they cant stand up and be counted on. Sydney are 5 times better than you and thats that. DOnt ever call melbourne soft when your captain is a cry baby.
Ladies and Gentle men DemonDavey has made it to the Tool Board, congrats mate, you are up there with the best of them :p but by far the dumbest.

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[JF_Bay_22_SCG]

Melbourne don't win crunch games, Melbourne aren't competitive in crunch games. Those 7 games against the Saints weren't crunch games, Melbourne are mentally soft.

It is weird. Melbourne often look unbeatable early in the year. They also play Sydney around Anzac weekend. And have a very good ecord against us, even despite the fact that the game is always up here.

They often peter out towards the end of the season. This is generally when we play them in Melbourne. We nearly ALWAYS beat them down there.

The weird thing is that the Swans supporters seriously take over the place when we play Melbourne. Not only is it fan-wise nearly 50-50 (it was last year!), but in terms of supporter we just murder the Demons fans EVERY TIME!

As has been said, they have great individual players. Skilful types like Davey and great markers like Robertson. But that that that in & under type like Jude Bolton or Brett Kirk. (But then again, so do many clubs in the league I guess.)

JF

[demondavey]

[QUOTE=The Fireman]Ladies and Gentle men DemonDavey has made it to the Tool Board, congrats mate, you are up there with the best of them :p but by far the dumbest.

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Justify your reasoning to call me 'the dumbest' when you personally can not except that fact that you get beaten. You always have an excuse. ie; prelim final against the swans. Oh my god we were missing hamill or whoever! People like you live in denial, you cant hack the fact there is someone better than you and the only way to bring you around is to thump it into you. Invincible teams like you make st kilda out to be dont lose prelim finals. Give sydney the respect the deserve and get over an overrated/underperformed st kilda.

[The Fireman]

Justify your reasoning to call me 'the dumbest' when you personally can not except that fact that you get beaten. You always have an excuse. ie; prelim final against the swans. Oh my god we were missing hamill or whoever! People like you live in denial, you cant hack the fact there is someone better than you and the only way to bring you around is to thump it into you. Invincible teams like you make st kilda out to be dont lose prelim finals. Give sydney the respect the deserve and get over an overrated/underperformed st kilda.
Not hard to justify, just a quick read through your posts fix that little problem straight away, I'm hoping for your sake you are about 14 or 15 otherwise you don't really have a great deal to look forward to in life :(
If you can't understand that if a side loses a large portion of it's top line players it is extremely hard to win a game then give it up mate. Just listen to yourself..."Oh my god we were missing hamill or whoever! " these are the ramblings of a juvenile.
You definately belong on the Tool Board mate.:)

[demondavey]

Not hard to justify, just a quick read through your posts fix that little problem straight away, I'm hoping for your sake you are about 14 or 15 otherwise you don't really have a great deal to look forward to in life :(
If you can't understand that if a side loses a large portion of it's top line players it is extremely hard to win a game then give it up mate. Just listen to yourself..."Oh my god we were missing hamill or whoever! " these are the ramblings of a juvenile.
You definately belong on the Tool Board mate.:)

I think they hung the wrong bloke in singapore two weeks ago

[The Fireman]

I think they hung the wrong bloke in singapore two weeks ago
Thanks for helping me out. I rest my case.

[Johnson#26]

No that was umpires proving how soft they can be to criticism.

Saints were robbed.

[Falchoon]

You are full of excuses arent you? Oh someone hurt his groin, someone hurt his hammy, kosi wasnt out there to hold hamill's coc*, oh boo hoo. You lost cause you were beaten by a better side and thats that. Hey guess what? Yu cant label melbourne soft when your skipper is a cry baby. End of story. plain and simple.

I hear Leigh Matthews is now considered soft ater he blubbered his way off th ground in his final losing game.

You guys just wish your team showed that the game meant something to them

[RedLegs#5]

Ahhhh another thread proving once again...EVERYONE looooveees Melbourne! :cool: :thumbsu:

[davey_magik]

Meh. Saints are in the same boat as Melbourne. No success for quite some time and have screwed it up in the last two years.
We'll let Round 10 next year do the talking shall we. And don't start that 'Oh but we beat you twice this year etc etc' crap because there was one winner this year and 15 losers.

[RedLegs#5]

Meh. Saints are in the same boat as Melbourne. No success for quite some time and have screwed it up in the last two years.
We'll let Round 10 next year do the talking shall we. And don't start that 'Oh but we beat you twice this year etc etc' crap because there was one winner this year and 15 losers.
Melbourne being the winner:

Pickett AND Jones!

[Trav 20]

Whilst acknowledging this thread was started by a doltish troll I'll nonetheless contribute.

Of course Melbourne have been soft. No arguments there -- even though I understand the natural 'chivalry' (for want of a better word) by many Dees supporters.

Outside midfields consistently produce inconsistent results. Until our midfield matures and is able to win contested ball, every week, the Dees will frustrate, or delight, as is your want.

Many supporters blame a weak mental approach but that glosses over the real issues -- winning contested ball. I'm a firm believer that leadership comes from your best players. Nearly all our best players are 'outside'. You'll rarely win important games with this scenario. Many supporters see great results during H&A and can't understand insipid final's results. Finals are a whole new ball game. The umpires throw away the whistle. It's contested footy at it's hotest and we've been found soundly wanting in this tough but exciting couldron.

I have high hopes that maturing young guns such as Sylvia, McLean, Moloney, and Bell, will compliment the more mature hard bodies in Pickett, Miller, Neitz, Whelan, Carroll. But, alas, proof will be in the pudding.

Times are a changing though for the Dees. Don't get too smug my fellow ferals.

[dlanor the dog]

Having only read the original post.Very disapointed with Joffa, one off the best and understanding posters here. No team is soft. Or do you think Joffa
that the Cowboy Neales and the Jimmy O'Days off our lives were tough nuts or pure thugs Exacty what The Saints were when they couldn't win a game Just a troll Joffa

[RedLegs#5]

Having only read the original post.Very disapointed with Joffa, one off the best and understanding posters here. No team is soft. Or do you think Joffa
that the Cowboy Neales and the Jimmy O'Days off our lives were tough nuts or pure thugs Exacty what The Saints were when they couldn't win a game Just a troll Joffa
Good post.

He just loves Melbourne though...

[dlanor the dog]

Good post.

He just loves Melbourne though...

It,s just the silly season we're all hanging out

[demon_fan]

You know there are morons out there when StKilda fans start mocking Melbourne fans by saying "When was the last time you one a premiership?"

Fact: Melbourne have won 12 and St Kilda have won 1!!!

It is clear to see that on paper the saints have one of the best teams out there if not the best. But it is nothing to scream and shout about. St Kilda have achieved nothing! The Essendon side of 2000 was the best then and they went on to win the premiership. Brisbane 2001-2003, the best side out there and they won all 3 premierships. Over 2004-05, St Kilda have been seen as an awesome young side on paper but have never gone through with the goods. So why are some of their fans (I said some not all!) so quick to point the finger? How can you have the most talanted line up out there and not win the flag? Is that the issue of been soft that their supporters are talking about?

My advice: Stop calling melbourne supporters and players guttless when you clearly have more issues closer to home!!!

[Joffaboy]

My advice:[/B] Stop calling melbourne supporters and players guttless when you clearly have more issues closer to home!!!

Sorry demons_fan, but the facts are that your team is easily the softest team in the League.

Saw it with my own eyes twice last season. I couldn't care less about premierships from the first half of last century, i am talking about the current list you have tha bunch of softc@ck sissys running around in melbourne jumpers.

Explain to me why Daniher had to flood for1 1/2 quarters against the saints in Round 1 if the Melbourne team hadn't turned up their toes and didn't have the heart to fight for the win, against mind you an injury ravaged Saints team.

Explain how, after playing tough guys before the bounce of the ball your team wouldn't put their heads over the ball and got smashed on the field and on the scoreboard against the saints in R2.

Expalin the pathetic effort against an injury ravaged Geelong team in the only final you played in?

Now dont talk about others, explain that.

Waiting.........

[Falchoon]

Explain how, after playing tough guys before the bounce of the ball your team wouldn't put their heads over the ball and got smashed on the field and on the scoreboard against the saints in R2.



'tis true, a lot of Melbourne players squibbed when it got hard, Powell in hindsight was a loss.

[Saintsfan]

A little song for our wonderful friend and champion of all that is soft, things like butter, marshmellows, baby poo and the Melbourne football club, an ode to the mentally bereft DemonDavey, sung to the tune of his favorite band, and as hard as his footy side the village peoples " in the navy"


DemonDavey, young boy with a brain disease

DemonDavey, sticks by his soft******** Dees

DemonDavey DemonDavey

DemonDavey, thinks the dees are ubertough

DemonDavey, must be on columbian snuff

DemonDavey DemonDavey

DemonDavey, what chance has he got

DemonDavey, his team are weak as snot

DemonDavey DemonDavey

DemonDavey, his mental faculties are poo

DemonDavey, watch out he'll swear at you

DemonDavey DemonDavey

[LightTower4]

A little song for our wonderful friend and champion of all that is soft, things like butter, marshmellows, baby poo and the Melbourne football club, an ode to the mentally bereft DemonDavey, sung to the tune of his favorite band, and as hard as his footy side the village peoples " in the navy"


DemonDavey, young boy with a brain disease

DemonDavey, sticks by his soft******** Dees

DemonDavey DemonDavey

DemonDavey, thinks the dees are ubertough

DemonDavey, must be on columbian snuff

DemonDavey DemonDavey

DemonDavey, what chance has he got

DemonDavey, his team are weak as snot

DemonDavey DemonDavey

DemonDavey, his mental faculties are poo

DemonDavey, watch out he'll swear at you

DemonDavey DemonDavey

And you call him a child?

[Saintsfan]

And you call him a child?
oh sweetie its ok its only a little merge

[The Shev]

Individually most of our players aren't soft, there are a couple who you might deem as soft, but you get that in every list. I think the soft label comes as a group thing, ie. when the chips are down not many players stand up and we generally don't know how to win ugly. It is a fair point at times, but I think the club culture is starting to change. Recently we have recruited aggressive, hard-bodied players like Miller, McLean, Moloney, Sylvia, Jamar, Johnson and Pickett, plus a few players who show heaps of courage like Bell, Rivers and Ferguson.

[The Shev]

Sorry demons_fan, but the facts are that your team is easily the softest team in the League.

Saw it with my own eyes twice last season. I couldn't care less about premierships from the first half of last century, i am talking about the current list you have tha bunch of softc@ck sissys running around in melbourne jumpers.

Explain to me why Daniher had to flood for1 1/2 quarters against the saints in Round 1 if the Melbourne team hadn't turned up their toes and didn't have the heart to fight for the win, against mind you an injury ravaged Saints team.

Explain how, after playing tough guys before the bounce of the ball your team wouldn't put their heads over the ball and got smashed on the field and on the scoreboard against the saints in R2.

Expalin the pathetic effort against an injury ravaged Geelong team in the only final you played in?

Now dont talk about others, explain that.

Waiting.........

Round 3 wasn't a matter of toughness, we were undermanned and outplayed by the better team. Bruce went off injured after 10 seconds, McDonald was also out of action early with injury and if I recall correctly we had a third midfielder go down during the 3rd quarter. They struck a huge blow to our engine room and any blind man could see by the third quarter that St. Kilda was about to rip the game open. Daniher flooded to try lessen the damage, which worked temporarily, but eventually we didn't have the numbers to make it an even contest.

Melbourne aren't the softest team in the league. Get over it Joffaboy.

[Saintsfan]

Round 3 wasn't a matter of toughness, we were undermanned and outplayed by the better team. Bruce went off injured after 10 seconds, McDonald was also out of action early with injury and if I recall correctly we had a third midfielder go down during the 3rd quarter. They struck a huge blow to our engine room and any blind man could see by the third quarter that St. Kilda was about to rip the game open. Daniher flooded to try lessen the damage, which worked temporarily, but eventually we didn't have the numbers to make it an even contest.

Melbourne aren't the softest team in the league. Get over it Joffaboy.

go back a year to a similar situation at the G where we didn't have Gehrig, and lost a couple of players during the game including Hudgton and Maguire in the second half, yet you demon supporters were saying injuries arent an excuse, as a matter of fact coke snorting vile spewing Demondavey, still vomits that injuries can't be used as an excuse for us choking in last years prelim. But the soft old dees just keep trotting it out when its needed as a defence for their own malleable melbourne maggots.

Just shows how tough mentally or otherwise your skipper is when he is simply told to go and stand in our backline because he didn't have the courage class or character to try and get a kick in his own possie!

[oooze]

Some valid points

-Atleast we havent had a player cry!
-This season was an odd year(Hence our bad year) and we showed last year that if we even play to 50% of our capabilities we will thrash you. Remember, Riewoldt kicked 9 goals and you still got pumped.
-you traded away your hardest player, in Guerra, and we picked up the hardest in pickett.
- Your hardest players are your older players(except for Ball) such as Hamill etc., whereas our hardest players are Sylvia, Mclean, moloney, miller and Jones. Much brighter future. When Neitz retires, these kids will fill the void, but what happens when hamill retires?....Xavier Clarke?...Raphael Clarke?...Dal Santo?. Spare me.