View Full Version : Ryan Griffen / Tyson Stenglein
OldSchool
15 Dec 2005, 19:17
I really rate Stenglein for his ability to lock down a player but still rack up the stats and provide a plenty of drive for his team. The Eagles use him in a variety of roles from defender, midfielder and occassionally up forward. He generally gets some big assignments and is strong in a contest and uses the ball fairly well. He is an all-round good player in a team loaded with midfield class.
In his first season for us Griffen was mainly used as a running defender although he also spent a bit of time in the midfield.
In 2006 I think Eade could do worse than to try and use Griffen in a variety of roles similar to the way the Eagles use Stenglein because I think it would be great for his development.
IMO Griffen was the 2nd best player in last years draft and ultimately should develop into a far better player than Stenglein mainly because he is a bit quicker and possesses better skills.
Given our midfield strength I'd like to see Eade really give Griffen big assignment most weeks. He might occassionaly get beaten but this youngster has plenty of character and I can see 2006 being the 2nd step into him becoming a champion player for us.
X_box_X
15 Dec 2005, 19:35
Interesting thought. I can see a bit of similarity there too. Griffen should become a far more accomplished player, but I am a fan of your theory.
H Dolphin
15 Dec 2005, 20:58
IIMO Griffen was the 2nd best player in last years draft
No. I agree with Eade (or his PR adviser), Griffen was the best.
OldSchool
15 Dec 2005, 21:23
No. I agree with Eade (or his PR adviser), Griffen was the best.
How about we settle for equal best? :)
stefoid
15 Dec 2005, 21:27
ease him into the midfield via the wing. his 1:1 skills and disposal will make him deadly winning the ball and then delivering into the f50
Kennel Master
15 Dec 2005, 22:05
I like the idea of giving these young guns specific jobs to do. It helps them concetrate and focus.
Griffen has already shown what a champ he is going to be, but he is still a teenager and still learning.
He would be dynamite as a run-with player. Think of the problems he would cause. With his 1 on 1 skills he could win a lot of contests and then really hurt the opposition with his run and delivery.
Griffen is gonna be a superstar!!:thumbsu:
The_Bulldogs_Bite
15 Dec 2005, 22:17
I really rate Stenglein for his ability to lock down a player but still rack up the stats and provide a plenty of drive for his team. The Eagles use him in a variety of roles from defender, midfielder and occassionally up forward. He generally gets some big assignments and is strong in a contest and uses the ball fairly well. He is an all-round good player in a team loaded with midfield class.
In his first season for us Griffen was mainly used as a running defender although he also spent a bit of time in the midfield.
In 2006 I think Eade could do worse than to try and use Griffen in a variety of roles similar to the way the Eagles use Stenglein because I think it would be great for his development.
IMO Griffen was the 2nd best player in last years draft and ultimately should develop into a far better player than Stenglein mainly because he is a bit quicker and possesses better skills.
Given our midfield strength I'd like to see Eade really give Griffen big assignment most weeks. He might occassionaly get beaten but this youngster has plenty of character and I can see 2006 being the 2nd step into him becoming a champion player for us.
Nice thinking OldSchool. I too am a fan of your theory. I think it could really benefit Griffen a lot. Maybe not doing it every week, but against teams such as West Coast and Brisbane who have terrific midfields. It'd be good to see.
Benno From Berwick
16 Dec 2005, 08:10
How about we settle for equal best? :)
Who did you consider the best OS? Why?
HK_Bulldog
16 Dec 2005, 08:29
I'm ever the optimist so I tend to think that Griffen will run riot in the midfield this year and will be the hunted rather than the hunter. If he struggles with a tag then by all means, put him on a player. But from what I've seen so far, the starting position should be to set him free and watch the show.
bulldogtragic
16 Dec 2005, 09:38
With McMahon , Monty, Morris, Hargrave even D-Mac in the defencive role - I think we can afford the luxury of placing Griff on the ball.
I think that is an excellent idea Oldschool. Griff seems the sort of guy who would move heaven and earth to meet a challenge head on, and by putting him on better opposition players he will rise to the challenge, and learn from the best at the same time.
It will be interesting to watch his improvement this year, given he had next to no pre-season last year.
OldSchool
16 Dec 2005, 10:19
Who did you consider the best OS? Why?
Just had Deledio marginally ahead of him. Was a very impressive junior footballer and I probably rated him a bit higher because I saw him play a fair more than Griffen. After Griffen's and Deledio's impressive debut seasons I still can't see any real differences in their footy abilities.
Both will be outstanding footballers.
Pembleton
16 Dec 2005, 11:25
Griffen looks to be the ultimate Eade prototype midfielder in the regard that you are talking about OS. Rocket's version of having a balanced midfield in terms of attack/defence is to have a lot of individual players with a balanced mindset. In '05 we saw Scotty West take on some head to head roles where he targetted an important opposition midfielder which was not somethign we had previously seen from Westy. At times this created some ridiculously lobsided stat counts in West's favour for these matchups because he both picked up his own usual quota and heavily restricting his opponent.
In the Wallace years what balance our midfield had was based around having some guys who went one way (attack minded) and some guys who went the other way(defensive minded), but few who had both major offensive and defensive aspects to their play, so the Eade philosophy represents a major shift. I'll just ignore the Rohde years because the only version of balance he had was that he talked about accountability a lot off the field which was balanced only by the total lack of accountability on the field.
Getting back to Griffen, his extremely good attacking and defensive attributes make him a poster boy for the sort of both ways midfield play that Eade seems to like, and i would not be at all suprised if we saw a fair bit of Griffen going "head to head" with targetted opposition players in the same way that Stenglein does for the Eagles.
H Dolphin
16 Dec 2005, 18:44
Just had Deledio marginally ahead of him. Was a very impressive junior footballer and I probably rated him a bit higher because I saw him play a fair more than Griffen. After Griffen's and Deledio's impressive debut seasons I still can't see any real differences in their footy abilities.
Both will be outstanding footballers.
I have Griffen ahead of Deledio for the following, objective reasons
Rocket said he was the best
He plays for Footscray
I see a lot more of him.
Persuaded ?
More seriously, Griffen brings responsibility to his game. He chose his moments to attack and was seldom caught out. I thought Deledio played free of responsibility. His was a catch me if you can game.
Griffen will develop a little differently than Deledio - their body types seem to ba a little different. Griffen seems to be much strioger through the shoulders and will develop to be stronger over the ball (Ricciutto II), whilst Deledio will be more of an outside midfielder in the Judd vein.
Griffen played proab;y his best game of the year when he was matched up against Gary Ablett jnr. His evasive skills were unbelievable. Possibly this is the role in our midfield he is best suited to, and whenever opponents don't respect him enough he can burn them with his silky skills.
H Dolphin
17 Dec 2005, 16:04
.... Griffen seems to be much strioger through the shoulders and will develop to be stronger over the ball (Ricciutto II), whilst Deledio...
Griffen may well develop into a key position player. He may lack the centimetres of Wight/Walsh/Williams, not by too much, though, but his strength, skill, sense of responsibility, initiative and ability to read the play equip him to be a key playmaker at either end of the ground.
dlanor the dog
18 Dec 2005, 22:08
I'm ever the optimist so I tend to think that Griffen will run riot in the midfield this year and will be the hunted rather than the hunter. If he struggles with a tag then by all means, put him on a player. But from what I've seen so far, the starting position should be to set him free and watch the show.
Completly agree will have us all in raptures as this years most exciting player
No why would you want to turn a talented skillfull attacking player like Griffen into a lockdown type player, their are plenty of Steve Kretiuk type players out their with an overload of endeavour and ticker but short of the skills of a Griffen type that are far more suitable for being earmarked for lockdown roles.
jazzadogs
19 Dec 2005, 10:12
why would you waste his talents by using him in a tagging/lockdown role?
he showed this year he is ready to play AFL and he should be given an oppurtunity as a free-running onballer.
morris showed this year that he can lockdown, but we generally wont need a lockdown type anyway as we have a pretty strong midfield who will hopefully just dominate by themselves
although he played good on ablett, ablett was not in the midfield. if griff was told to tag someone in the midfield, he might lose focus of getting the ball himself and using it to his ability, which is probably up with the best in the team (one kick v cats, where he kicked it from 40m in cats F50, under pressure to gilbee i think 60m out from our goal, pinpoint accuracy, was sublime)
OldSchool
19 Dec 2005, 11:29
No why would you want to turn a talented skillfull attacking player like Griffen into a lockdown type player, their are plenty of Steve Kretiuk type players out their with an overload of endeavour and ticker but short of the skills of a Griffen type that are far more suitable for being earmarked for lockdown roles.
We are not saying that he should become a lockdown player but we are saying it would be good for his development to learn that skill and to be occassionally given some big name assignments. I'd like to see him be played as a defender, midfielder and forward throughout the season because he good enough to handle it. Stenglein does a great job for the Eagles who like us have a number of highly talented midfielders and I think it could be great for Griffen to learn at least some of those skills. I can see a strong argument for your point of view but I can't see too much downside in developing those skills in him. I wouldn't suggest the same approach for Cooney but it would work for Griffen.
OK I dont mind him or the Coon learning a bit about that aspect of play, on another related subject can anyone ever recall wether Tyson Stenglein has ever been let loose on any occasions to play an attacking game ?
The_Bulldogs_Bite
19 Dec 2005, 14:44
OK I dont mind him or the Coon learning a bit about that aspect of play, on another related subject can anyone ever recall wether Tyson Stenglein has ever been let loose on any occasions to play an attacking game ?
Good question. I've seen a fair bit of his Footy, and I can't recall when he played an attacking game. Perhaps at Adelaide once or twice?
OldSchool
19 Dec 2005, 15:40
OK I dont mind him or the Coon learning a bit about that aspect of play, on another related subject can anyone ever recall wether Tyson Stenglein has ever been let loose on any occasions to play an attacking game ?
I watched his stats etc a fair bit over the last two years and he does get a lot of the ball on occassions. The thing about him is that even when he gets given a big name to run with he still gets plenty of the ball and hurts other teams.
I watched his stats etc a fair bit over the last two years and he does get a lot of the ball on occassions. The thing about him is that even when he gets given a big name to run with he still gets plenty of the ball and hurts other teams.
I'd hope the superfast Dale Morris starts winning a bit of ball against those he stops.