Worst list of kids in the league?

[NorthBhoy]

But like the cool kid who sh*t his pants at an assembly, it's very hard for you to get a date these days.

Waste of time anyone else adding anything to this thread.

Quality.

[Hawkk]

name a more successfull club
Essendon would have claims...havent won a woody since the 1920's/30's

[eastaugh36]

So was the guy I responded to. Great post that one, got the response it deserved.

No, he was on the mark. The spoon proves it.

[skywalk750]

Personally, when insulting someone's intelligence I would attempt to spell "genius" correctly.

:D lol

[TheGeneral]

Essendon would have claims...havent won a woody since the 1920's/30's
Ignoring the fact they've won more spoons and less Grand Finals.

[Hawkk]

Ignoring the fact they've won more spoons and less Grand Finals.
The difference between Carlton, Essendon and Collingwood (Although with fewer flags) in terms of success is to simular. You could make a case for any.

I understand I may highly critized for my mention of Collingwood; but although having won fewer flags they have made over 35 grand finals.

[Abaddon]

Essendon would have claims...havent won a woody since the 1920's/30's

since when are wooden spoons an indication of success (unless you're st kilda).
retard.

[Hawkk]

since when are wooden spoons an indication of success (unless you're st kilda).
retard.
Since, fewer wooden spoons and larger gaps between spoons are a guide to how well/ poorly the club has gone over a sustained period. Seems obvious to me; having said that you lack the mental capabilities to comprehend such logic.

[borissey]

Yawn

Typical no facts ranting by people in the off season with nothing else to talk about.

Blues are easy targets because we came 16th.

Facts are we've had a number of early draft picks come to the Club over the past 2 years because of coming 16th/10th. To suggest that the bottom team has no young players that will become stars seems to ignore the fact that we have a National Draft and Priority Picks and all the things that we talk about throughout the season. Seems like people are forgetting this?

Fellow Carlton fans, let it die off because you know we'll be back. Let JeffDunne and his harried henchman marvel at coming 4th.

[Mutant]

Answer: Carlton worst kids, worst list, worst club years away from making the eight even further away from a flag.

[Abaddon]

Since, fewer wooden spoons and larger gaps between spoons are a guide to how well/ poorly the club has gone over a sustained period. Seems obvious to me; having said that you lack the mental capabilities to comprehend such logic.

lmao
soooo retarded.

[borissey]

Since, fewer wooden spoons and larger gaps between spoons are a guide to how well/ poorly the club has gone over a sustained period. Seems obvious to me; having said that you lack the mental capabilities to comprehend such logic.

May be obvious to you but since when does that translate to success? Since when do we rate the success of Howard by talking about his lost elections? Since when do we rate success in business by talking about how much money we lost 25 years ago?

Success is all about winning. Two clubs can claim to be very successful, the most successful. Essendon and Carlton. Other clubs can claim to be pretty successful; WCE 2 prems in 18 years, Hawks what 9 in 80? All good stats. You could also argue that the Bombers records of finals campaign supports the view that the Bombers always are thereabouts, but it doesn't say that they're very successful.

I can understand you wanting to change the rules to say you're more successful than others, as we all want to win (that's what it's about) but the cold hard truth is that premierships are what matter and the Bombers / Blues have it.

[Hawkk]

May be obvious to you but since when does that translate to success? Since when do we rate the success of Howard by talking about his lost elections? Since when do we rate success in business by talking about how much money we lost 25 years ago?

Success is all about winning. Two clubs can claim to be very successful, the most successful. Essendon and Carlton. Other clubs can claim to be pretty successful; WCE 2 prems in 18 years, Hawks what 9 in 80? All good stats. You could also argue that the Bombers records of finals campaign supports the view that the Bombers always are thereabouts, but it doesn't say that they're very successful.

I can understand you wanting to change the rules to say you're more successful than others, as we all want to win (that's what it's about) but the cold hard truth is that premierships are what matter and the Bombers / Blues have it.
When 2 clubs have very simular records; 16 flags it can be used. What wouldd be the best method is to use years made the finals and win/loss records..but then you have to bring Collingwood into the Equation.

It's either; Essendon = Carlton (flag wise)

But let's not let Collingwood get in the way.

BTW, I'm a Hawthorn fan, so I there is no chance in hell I would be trying to promote Essendon...I hate them.

[borissey]

BTW, I'm a Hawthorn fan

You don't say!

ps you didn't need to say that you hated Essendon fans; it's a given!

[Hawkk]

hahaha True...

[Johnson#26]

Poppycock. Absolute poppycock. We've got 5 top 25 selections coming through who've only played 1 game between them - how does that infer worst?

Whoever started the post, define your question. BigFooty has listed the top 10 players of players sub 23 recently. Do you mean Uner 20's? Under 21's? Players of less than 50 games? Help us out.

Do the Swans and Dockers have any great young stars coming through? Remember the Dockers gave away all their early picks in 2004 to lure Josh Carr.

I agree with you. Carlton had some of the best draft picks on offer this year. Got to be happy with that. And they will, most likely, spend another year at the foot of the ladder, so there is another few talented picks you can take into consideration.

No-one really has an average crop. Sydney's isn't the greatest, but things can turn around quickly. North's is solid, but it lacks the big names to jump out at you - a sacrific made when trading draft choices for big name established players (Jonathon Hay). They only have one player left over from the 2001 Draft.

[Johnson#26]

Maybe you have a competitive list of senior players that will take you to the finals but not a flag.

Laidley even admitted that they can't afford to draft players because there so skint.

That is true, sadly, but it is the only way for North to go to retain members/supporters.

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[thecoastingcoaster]

Carlton. And by a very long way too. Kangaroos are next. Bulldogs, Egales and Hawks have the best along with the Cats close.
My ******** up. Sorry.

[Johnson#26]

Waite, Fisher, Walker, Thornton, Bentick, Carrazzo, Simpson, Murphy, Kennedy, Bower, Russell,Betts,Hartlett, Blackwell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cloke, Cloke, Cloke, Shaw, Shaw, Rusling, O'Brien, Pendlebury, Thomas,
Stanley, ( rest not worth a mention).
Carlton over Collingdeadwood by a long way

Pretty uneducated statement. Waite, yes a good player already and will only get better. Fisher, is very similar player, and a very handy third tall forward. Thornton is a solid, if not unspectacular job who slips under the guard. Bentick is ok, but only really emerged in the latter half of 2005, ditto Carrazzo - but a year earlier. Consistant in a poor side. Kade Simpson is one I like, he has real toe and good skills. Will end up a very good wingman, and should have gone much earlier in the 2002 draft. Marc Murphy we have all heard about, as we have with Kennedy - he can play, and will be very handy in the future, possibly one of the players Pagan will seek to mould his side around. I don't know all that much about Paul Bower except for the fact that he can play (obviously with a top 25 choice). Russell and Hartett were both rated highly from the previous seasons draft. Not sure on Blackwell, apparantly he isn't all that big a kid (in weight, may need another year before he players), while Betts is an enigma - a bit of everything.

Travis Cloke will end up a star, as should Rusling - a very exciting footballer/ A bit early to judge Pendles, Stanley, Anthony and Thomas.

Rating the Collingwood/Carlton players named above (not including 2005 Draftees - I'm not sure that Rhyce Shaw could really be considered a 'kid', either):
1: T.Cloke
2: Waite
3: Rusling
4: Walker (can play but hasn't shown it as yes on a consistant basis)
5: Fisher
6: Simpson
7: Carrazzo
8: Bentick
9: O'Brien
10: C.Cloke

This list is based on the players listed before, their form in the AFL thus far and overall ability. All Carlton players listed have been on the AFL scene a while, whereas T.Cloke, Rusling and O'Brien all had their first year of senior football in 2005, while Heath Shaw played his first this year.

Players NOT taken into account (simply because they were not listed above) were Ben Davies, Julian Rowe, Brent Hall (I doubt he would have made the top 10), Fanning, Richards, Egan, Iacobucci, Maxwell, Walker and Swan.

Its an interesting one.

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[celtic_pride]

I'd rate waite ahead of T.Cloke at the moment

[Bentleigh]

I'd rate waite ahead of T.Cloke at the moment

Waite = 23 years of age
Travis Cloke = 18

[Verbeek]

Collingwood speak to a lot of people.

Speak is all they seem to do.


I just love the way you criticise the powerhouses of AFL yet support a club that is the epitomy of pathetic.

[Bentleigh]

I just love the way you criticise the powerhouses of AFL yet support a club that is the epitomy of pathetic.

Kind of like this?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154131&highlight=Saint+Kilda

[borissey]

I agree with you. Carlton had some of the best draft picks on offer this year. Got to be happy with that. And they will, most likely, spend another year at the foot of the ladder, so there is another few talented picks you can take into consideration.

No-one really has an average crop. Sydney's isn't the greatest, but things can turn around quickly. North's is solid, but it lacks the big names to jump out at you - a sacrific made when trading draft choices for big name established players (Jonathon Hay). They only have one player left over from the 2001 Draft.
Shhhhh dont let anyone see you agreeing with me, OK?

[SurreyBlue]

I knew I shouldn't have opened this thread.
Amazing how much some individuals love talking Carlton.

[TheGeneral]

You'll find the only ones that enjoy talking about Carlton more than actual Carlton supporters barrack for St Kilda.:o

[borissey]

I knew I shouldn't have opened this thread.
Amazing how much some individuals love talking Carlton.

The competition has waited a long time for us to be on our knees and they are taking the opportunity to smack us around. If 2002-2005 had happened to the Bombers we'd talk about it alot. It just so happens that Carlton 2002-2005 is pretty much all of St Kilda's history so I think Saints fans are trying to express brotherhood with us but don't quite know how to say it properly.

Wouldn't worry Surrey. Hold firm. Stay Alive. You'll see us back.

[Longy413]

I knew I shouldn't have opened this thread.
Amazing how much some individuals love talking Carlton.


This thread wasn't started about Carlton, it isn't a Carlton thread but in theory someone has to have the worst list of kids and in theory people are allowed to have an opinion.

[gandaal]

Waite = 23 years of age
Travis Cloke = 18
Jarrad Waite is 22

What is it with you and getting stats wrong?

[Longy413]

Jarrad Waite is 22

What is it with you and getting stats wrong?

He'll start next season as a 23 year old. Cloke 19.

[SurreyBlue]

Wouldn't worry Surrey. Hold firm. Stay Alive. You'll see us back.

Oh don't worry Borissey, I intend to.

[gandaal]

He'll start next season as a 23 year old. Cloke 19.
Yes but either way he got the stats wrong.

[Longy413]

Yes but either way he got the stats wrong.

Maybe he's just 6 or so weeks early. Come Feb his stats will be right.

[Wojee]

Worst "anything" in the AFL and chances are "Carlton" is the correct answer.

Worst list, worst management, you name it, they are the worst at it.

I believe they've got a pretty good trophy cabinet - if it hasn't been hocked yet!


Attract the worst trolls.

[borissey]

Dont worry Wojee, at least we've won enough silverware to need a cabinet. A single premiership could probably just be used as a doorstop.

[Johnson#26]

I'd rate waite ahead of T.Cloke at the moment

Nup. Travis Cloke, you'd say, will end up a better/more important player than Waite. Just IMO. We'll have to wait another five years for the full verdict.

[celtic_pride]

Nup. Travis Cloke, you'd say, will end up a better/more important player than Waite. Just IMO. We'll have to wait another five years for the full verdict.

Yeah true, although Cloke is 4 years younger than Waite, so we have to give Travis credit there, as well as the fact that Waite didn't play senior footy in his first season on the list.
Still I can't wait for 3 / 4 years down the track how Josh Kennedy turns out, I reckon he'll be a gun.
Sigh, it does seem so far away though.

[Johnson#26]

Fair call. We'll need to wait a while, sadly. I just want finals...:)

[Jabso]

What happened to this thread, it's become too lovey dovey.
I'll get the ball rolling Carlton are crap at everything.

[F/D]

Kangaroos.
Aside from Hale, Wells and Smith, what have they got?

Nothing.
Why do you incluse Hartlett, Edwards and the likes?



What have they shown?



I'll add pick 28 Riggio and Andrew Swallow rated a top 5 pick :rolleyes:

[Verbeek]

Kind of like this?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154131&highlight=Saint+Kilda

:thumbsu:

[JeffDunne]

I just love the way you criticise the powerhouses of AFL yet support a club that is the epitomy of pathetic.
Powerhouse?

Where?

What you talkin' bout Willis?

[Tas]

Kangaroos.
Aside from Hale, Wells and Smith, what have they got?

Nothing.


Taking the guys that are 21 or under:

Gibson: Looks promising
Grima: Would be close to in our best side this year if not for a season ending injury.
Chad Jones: promising tall forward.
Urch: Has shown some promise, not 100% convinced yet.
McIntosh: I expect big things from Monster.
Perry: Very promising potential key defender.
Trotter: Very promising player, rated highly by several opposition coaches.
McConnell: New recruit, a promising player.

That is a fair list given there is still Wells, Smith, Hale and we have a very good squad of 22-27 year old playing group. Not listing the new draftees, would like to see them to see if they are worth mentioning, a couple of them look like they may have potential, not going to start tugging yet though.

These guys listed would be in Carlton's senior lineup if they were available and not injured. Hell, half of them would have been in our side if they were not held back due to injury.

The difference is, our kids need to show they are better than a current senior player to get a gig, a lot of 'kids' for other clubs are running around by default because their side doesn't have anyone worthy of putting the jumper on.

I think our list has a lot less dead wood than 2005 and looks to have reasonable talent depth, if not experience depth.

[JeffDunne]

The competition has waited a long time for us to be on our knees and they are taking the opportunity to smack us around. If 2002-2005 had happened to the Bombers we'd talk about it alot. It just so happens that Carlton 2002-2005 is pretty much all of St Kilda's history so I think Saints fans are trying to express brotherhood with us but don't quite know how to say it properly.
LMFAO - brotherhood? You can't be serious?

That is very, very funny.

We'd probably need to feel empathy for you before that could be the case, and trust me, we have none.

Wouldn't worry Surrey. Hold firm. Stay Alive. You'll see us back.
Please keep believing that . . . and please keep voting Collo in.

[Thrawn]

I think it's pointless to compare players who have played less than a handful of games, to none at all.

In fact, this whole topic is illogical. It's all a matter of personal opinion and silly predictions that most of the time do not come true. The possibility remains open that these so called "worst list of kids" may crap in your face in a few years time when they start dominating. Some may take a little bit longer than others, but you can never determine or predict with accuracy a kid's potential or talent until they put the results on the board. A roup of them is harder, and it's just not talent; it's confidence, motivation, mental toughness, consistency, the ability to follow instructions, etc.

Oh yes, Carlton's kids are the worst. Why? Give us reasons. Is it because we finished 16th, or is it because they haven't played enough games yet or didn't dominate like some predicted? A whole bunch haven't played enough yet to fully back up these statements. Come back in a few years when they should be starting to hit their straps. This goes for every other team too.

I'll get the ball rolling Carlton are crap at everything.

Except pwning Collingwood in grand finals. It may be a very long time until our two teams meet there again (and I hope we do soon), but this is funny considering we pull your pants down more often than not.

[TheGeneral]

Taking the guys that are 21 or under:

Gibson: Looks promising
Grima: Would be close to in our best side this year if not for a season ending injury.
Chad Jones: promising tall forward.
Urch: Has shown some promise, not 100% convinced yet.
McIntosh: I expect big things from Monster.
Perry: Very promising potential key defender.
Trotter: Very promising player, rated highly by several opposition coaches.
McConnell: New recruit, a promising player.

That is a fair list given there is still Wells, Smith, Hale and we have a very good squad of 22-27 year old playing group. Not listing the new draftees, would like to see them to see if they are worth mentioning, a couple of them look like they may have potential, not going to start tugging yet though.

These guys listed would be in Carlton's senior lineup if they were available and not injured. Hell, half of them would have been in our side if they were not held back due to injury.
I've heard McIntosh described as a statue by a good poster on here, so I can't see him pushing French out of the ruck or even Deluca from the forwardline ATM.

There are some good young names there in McConnell, etc, but I couldn't see them playing any more games than Walker, Simpson, Hartlett, Bentick, Russell and Blackwell or force those players out of the side next year.

[Bentleigh]

Jarrad Waite is 22

What is it with you and getting stats wrong?

:rolleyes:

Longy413 > gandaal

[Bentleigh]

Taking the guys that are 21 or under:

Gibson: Looks promising
Grima: Would be close to in our best side this year if not for a season ending injury.
Chad Jones: promising tall forward.
Urch: Has shown some promise, not 100% convinced yet.
McIntosh: I expect big things from Monster.
Perry: Very promising potential key defender.
Trotter: Very promising player, rated highly by several opposition coaches.
McConnell: New recruit, a promising player.

That is a fair list given there is still Wells, Smith, Hale and we have a very good squad of 22-27 year old playing group. Not listing the new draftees, would like to see them to see if they are worth mentioning, a couple of them look like they may have potential, not going to start tugging yet though.

These guys listed would be in Carlton's senior lineup if they were available and not injured. Hell, half of them would have been in our side if they were not held back due to injury.
.

Replace 'promsing' with 'super' and your Parrots father. :)


The difference is, our kids need to show they are better than a current senior player to get a gig, a lot of 'kids' for other clubs are running around by default because their side doesn't have anyone worthy of putting the jumper on.

I think our list has a lot less dead wood than 2005 and looks to have reasonable talent depth, if not experience depth

Exacly, good point.

[cobba]

worst would be pies, and crows

best would be hawks

[cobba]

I've heard McIntosh described as a statue by a good poster on here, so I can't see him pushing French out of the ruck or even Deluca from the forwardline ATM.

There are some good young names there in McConnell, etc, but I couldn't see them playing any more games than Walker, Simpson, Hartlett, Bentick, Russell and Blackwell or force those players out of the side next year.


hale>>>french and deluca
wells>>>walker

this is just to easy

[ok.crows]

worst would be pies, and crows

best would be hawks

We Crows fans have heard this before ... for several seasons now.

In the meanwhile the side has introduced in these past two seasons seven new younger players, and this season after those players had a few games experience under their belt, the AFC finished this season as minor premiers and obtained its best ever result from the minor round games.

It would appear that the Crows kids themselves don't actually need endorsement from the likes of cobba to become the best set of new inductees in the competition. They just do it without being rated by anyone from other states.

[Johnson#26]

Taking the guys that are 21 or under:

Gibson: Looks promising
Grima: Would be close to in our best side this year if not for a season ending injury.
Chad Jones: promising tall forward.
Urch: Has shown some promise, not 100% convinced yet.
McIntosh: I expect big things from Monster.
Perry: Very promising potential key defender.
Trotter: Very promising player, rated highly by several opposition coaches.
McConnell: New recruit, a promising player.

That is a fair list given there is still Wells, Smith, Hale and we have a very good squad of 22-27 year old playing group. Not listing the new draftees, would like to see them to see if they are worth mentioning, a couple of them look like they may have potential, not going to start tugging yet though.

These guys listed would be in Carlton's senior lineup if they were available and not injured. Hell, half of them would have been in our side if they were not held back due to injury.

The difference is, our kids need to show they are better than a current senior player to get a gig, a lot of 'kids' for other clubs are running around by default because their side doesn't have anyone worthy of putting the jumper on.

I think our list has a lot less dead wood than 2005 and looks to have reasonable talent depth, if not experience depth.

Gibson: Promoted off the Rookie List. Can play (was he a product of Port Melbourne?), talented, but jury is out (still too young to decide).
Grima: Has copped it with injury. Needs to get his body right. Was rated highly as a junior.
Chad Jones: Coming into his third year - very tall player. Brother of Brett (WCE), promising cricketer.
Urch: I'm not sold on him. He was a selection number 25, but that was in an average draft.
McIntosh: Number nine selection from the same crop as Urch. Has taken his time to find his feet.
Perry: Time to break into the side next year.
Trotter: Not sure on Trotter. Was a pick number nine in '03, but, from what I've seen/heard, he does not have any real explosive ability, which is what the Roos midfield requires to aid Brent Harvey.
McConnell: Agree with what you wrote above, Tas - a promising player, and WCE have now done all the development with him. Time for North to cash in.

Its an interesting crop, but one which you'd hope would really kick on in 2006.. They have all had two-three years in the system.

[Johnson#26]

worst would be pies, and crows

best would be hawks

Harsh on Adelaide. Mattner, Hentshcell, Rutten, Bock, Skipworth - all coming into their prime, now, and still aged between 20-23. Still quite young, in football terms.

[Bentleigh]

Port Adelaide?

[snakebite01]

Craig and his men 'flew under the radar' a bit last year (sorry for the cliche) but rest assured you will be rated and studied a lot more closely this year.

Maybe by the average fan, but any AFL club that doesn't study each of their opponents analytically and in depth is unprofessional.

[Sheik Mathious]

Bentick wouldn't make top 8 clubs 22. Wouldn't make Richmonds side either.
.

Better player than Foley. How many games will he play this season?

[Bentleigh]

Better player than Foley.

Bollocks.

How many games will he play this season?

Harder to get a game in Richmond's 22 than Carltons.

[F/D]

Bollocks.



Harder to get a game in Richmond's 22 than Carltons.
Bentick would make the Tigers 22.


He is a much better player than Foley, much.

[Jumbo]

Port Adelaide?

I can see you have thoroughly researched this post, can't argue with any of the points you have made :rolleyes:

[Kooley]

st.kilda

[Bentleigh]

Bentick would make the Tigers 22.

No, he wouldn't.

He is a much better player than Foley, much.

No, he isn't.

[Sheik Mathious]

No, he wouldn't.



No, he isn't.

Oh yes he is! :)

[Johnson#26]

Bentick would fit into Richmond's best XXII, Bentleigh, and is a much better player than Foley (thus far).

[pafc4life]

Port Adelaide?

I think you will find that the following players will be genuine superstars of the AFL within 2-3 years

Salopek
Pettigrew
Chaplin
Thomson
Carlile
Pearce
Ebert

[fishbowl]

Essendon. Some of the younger players would struggle to get a game in the Little League.

[johnnyhoward]

I think you will find that the following players will be genuine superstars of the AFL within 2-3 years

Salopek
Pettigrew
Chaplin
Thomson
Carlile
Pearce
Ebert
Will they all be able to fit under the salary cap? :p

[Johnson#26]

Essendon. Some of the younger players would struggle to get a game in the Little League.

Monfires? Stanton? Lovett? Dyson? Laycock? Just to name a few. Essendon's kids aren't all that bad...

[Lets Talk AFL]

Which side has the poorest list of up and comming players in the league?

As a richmond supporter why are you bringing this up?? don't tell me you think your kids are better than anyone elses!! who?? this will be a laugh!

Hawthorn Carlton Western Bulldogs all have your measure.

How old is Lovett?

[Bentleigh]

Bentick would fit into Richmond's best XXII

No, he wouldn't.

Bentleigh, and is a much better player than Foley (thus far).

If he is better he is not 'much' better.

I doubt Foley is in our best 22.

[Bentleigh]

I think you will find that the following players will be genuine superstars of the AFL within 2-3 years

Salopek
Pettigrew
Chaplin
Thomson
Carlile
Pearce
Ebert

Yes, no doubt each of those will turn out magic..

As a richmond supporter why are you bringing this up??

'Cause its rather intersting IMO.

don't tell me you think your kids are better than anyone elses!!

Actully I think our say, 20 and under is quite strong compared to most sides.

who?? this will be a laugh!

Hawthorn Carlton Western Bulldogs all have your measure.

Everyone bar Hawthorn.

[Funkalicous]

Monfires? Stanton? Lovett? Dyson? Laycock? Just to name a few. Essendon's kids aren't all that bad...

I have an inkling that the Essendon senior players make them look better. We'll see how they go once they're given more responsibility.

[Lebowski]

Collingwood by far! Their kids are ********e and the senior players are slow, unskillful or injury prone. Another spoon looms.

[Bentleigh]

Collingwood by far! Their kids are ********e and the senior players are slow, unskillful or injury prone. Another spoon looms.

No, I think not.

Thomas, T Cloke, Rusling, Pendlebury, O'Brien, Iacobucci etc.

Doubt it'd be the worst.

[Embers]

Too find the worst kids in the league find the oldest team in the league...... IIRC Port is the oldest team in the league with Adelaide 2nd Sydney 3rd??

[Lebowski]

"Thomas, T Cloke, Rusling, Pendlebury, O'Brien, Iacobucci etc. "

Are these names supposed to prove something? Except for Thomas who was just drafted, the others haven't shown anything special. They are probably the best of a rotten bunch.

[Lebowski]

Too find the worst kids in the league find the oldest team in the league...... IIRC Sydney is the oldest team in the league with Adelaide 2nd??
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_online.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/report.php?p=4656041) Sydney are the 3rd youngest team in the league!

[Funkalicous]

"Thomas, T Cloke, Rusling, Pendlebury, O'Brien, Iacobucci etc. "

Are these names supposed to prove something? Except for Thomas who was just drafted, the others haven't shown anything special.

You're absolutely right. That'd be like me mentioning Blackwell, Hartlett, O'hAilpin and Russell. Sure, I may say they're good, but we really haven't seen bugger all of them.

[Embers]

Too find the worst kids in the league find the oldest team in the league...... IIRC Sydney is the oldest team in the league with Adelaide 2nd??
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/statusicon/user_online.gif http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/report.php?p=4656041) Sydney are the 3rd youngest team in the league!

Really, I guess u cud be onto something considering they just had 3 or 4 retirements last year.

In general tho the younger the list the better the kids are. West Coast are youngest Hawks 2nd Carlton 3rd and so on so forth

[dids4]

north.

carlton at least have murphy and kennedy.

[Bentleigh]

north.

carlton at least have murphy and kennedy.

Wells, Smith, Hale for starters.

[Effes]

Fremantle?

[Bentleigh]

Fremantle?

Good call :thumbsu:

Then again the like of: Schammer, Mundy, Drum, Dunn...

[Crowked]

I'll tell you in 5 years when its possible to make any kind of real judgement on these developing young players. Seriously in 5 years very few current observations will be valid. Some will improve and exceed expectation and so will fail badly. No one can determine who will and who wont with any real confidence or accuracy now. All that can be seen now is who has the higher draft selections from recent years.

[F/D]

Wells, Smith, Hale for starters.
McIntosh, Trotter, McConnell, Firrito etc etc.

[littleduck]

What a terrible name for a thread. Do kids play AFL, or do real victorian blokes play AFL?

[feral]

Carlton has the worst list of kids since Fremantle in 1995.

They all look as useless as tits on a bull, except maybe Murphy.

[Embers]

I honestly think Sydney have the worst list of youngsters, but in all reality they do this out of choice too.

Apart from them I think its hard to go past Essendon. Is it just me or is Stanton Dyson Monfries all the same type of player, if those 3 are the future Essendon midfield there gonna get murdered. I dont think Bradley will make it as a true CHB, from his junior days he has always been a winger and is more of a McPhee style player then Fletcher, play him there.

[jacko5]

I honestly think Sydney have the worst list of youngsters, but in all reality they do this out of choice too.

Apart from them I think its hard to go past Essendon. Is it just me or is Stanton Dyson Monfries all the same type of player, if those 3 are the future Essendon midfield there gonna get murdered. I dont think Bradley will make it as a true CHB, from his junior days he has always been a winger and is more of a McPhee style player then Fletcher, play him there.


maybe u shoulg give sheeds a call and let him know if we play stanton dyson and monfires in the midfield we will get murdered? u are an idiot, there young player 18 19 and your saying they suck in the midfield? how many good young players do u guys have in the midfield that are 18 19????

[F/D]

I honestly think Sydney have the worst list of youngsters, but in all reality they do this out of choice too.

Apart from them I think its hard to go past Essendon. Is it just me or is Stanton Dyson Monfries all the same type of player, if those 3 are the future Essendon midfield there gonna get murdered. I dont think Bradley will make it as a true CHB, from his junior days he has always been a winger and is more of a McPhee style player then Fletcher, play him there.
Monfries in and under goal kicking midfielder.

Dyson creative wingman with long kicking skills.

Stanton the hard runner who gets countless of uncontested footy because of his engine.


Comparison?

Monfries - Kerr
Stanton - Harvey/Cousins
Dyson - Aker


They wont be as good, but thats their style.

[jacko5]

Monfries in and under goal kicking midfielder.

Dyson creative wingman with long kicking skills.

Stanton the hard runner who gets countless of uncontested footy because of his engine.


Comparison?

Monfries - Kerr
Stanton - Harvey/Cousins
Dyson - Aker


They wont be as good, but thats their style.


finally someone has a clue on what there talking about

[Cassius_Clay]

Fremantle?
Schammer > All of your youngsters put together.

Plus they have Peake.

[dave_27]

Is it just me or is Stanton Dyson Monfries all the same type of player, if those 3 are the future Essendon midfield there gonna get murdered.

sorry but you lost me on this one.

If you think monfries is a similar type player to stanton and dyson then I dont think you've watched them play at all.

perhaps you have showed yourself up as having little knowledge behind the comment.

as for the future midfield comment, they didnt seem to do to bad when they were thrown in their together in the second half of the season along with lovett.

funnily enough we won most last quaters at the same time too and pushed or exposed a few of the elite midfields going around.

[Embers]

I actually meant in terms of speed, may sound silly but when these guys are hittin there straps speed is gonna be the most important thing in footy something neither of these 3 have.

[cschreuder61]

I actually meant in terms of speed, may sound silly but when these guys are hittin there straps speed is gonna be the most important thing in footy something neither of these 3 have.
Despite the fact those players aren't slow, surely kicking the ball, reading the play, aggression and general smarts are just as important as 'speed'.

[TheGeneral]

McIntosh, Trotter, McConnell, Firrito etc etc.
Have done nothing or are so injury prone they can't even get out on the track.

I don't think Sydney's list of youngsters have any standouts and they might pip North for the worst list of kids.

[Blues_Man]

Schammer > All of your youngsters put together.

Plus they have Peake.
Peake > All of your youngsters put together ....gee this is easy :rolleyes:

[cschreuder61]

Define 'kids'? 18-19 years old? 20-21 year olds?

Big difference. The ones playing at the moment are the only ones that can be judged, Polo, Dowler, Ryder... etc.. just names on a list... can't be judged until they get out there.

Carlton's at the moment isn't great, but have potentially got some gems in the waiting after this draft, but still a long way off fixing their list.

[dave_27]

I actually meant in terms of speed, may sound silly but when these guys are hittin there straps speed is gonna be the most important thing in footy something neither of these 3 have.

again you are incorrect in reference to 2 of them.

Dyson out ran lovett at the clubs time trials and represented essendon in the GF sprint, doesnt have speed does he?

Stanton has got pace, any one who watches him can see it aswell as the experts who wrote him up pre draft suggested he had pace. Would like to know where you pulled that from.

Monfries doesnt have pace like the other 2.

Im starting to think you havent watched these blokes play.

[cschreuder61]

again you are incorrect in reference to 2 of them.

Dyson out ran lovett at the clubs time trials and represented essendon in the GF sprint, doesnt have speed does he?

Stanton has got pace, any one who watches him can see it aswell as the experts who wrote him up pre draft suggested he had pace. Would like to know where you pulled that from.

Monfries doesnt have pace like the other 2.

Im starting to think you havent watched these blokes play.
Good players and definately aren't slow. I rate Monfries very highly

[=KaNga=]

i rate Monfries, Stanton and Dysob very highly, they will be the future of the Essendon footy club and i don't see any problems there.