Worst list of kids in the league?

[Bentleigh]

Which side has the poorest list of up and comming players in the league?

[Bring-Back-Powell]

Kangaroos

[Pie 4 Life]

Carlton. And by a very long way too. Kangaroos are next. Bulldogs, Egales and Hawks have the best along with the Cats close.

[JeffDunne]

Worst "anything" in the AFL and chances are "Carlton" is the correct answer.

Worst list, worst management, you name it, they are the worst at it.

I believe they've got a pretty good trophy cabinet - if it hasn't been hocked yet!

[Jex]

I'll say Essendon just to save retarded Richmond, Hawthorn and Carlton fans the effort.

[Hawkk]

Carlton...:D

[Pie 4 Life]

Worst "anything" in the AFL and chances are "Carlton" is the correct answer.

Worst list, worst management, you name it, they are the worst at it.

I believe they've got a pretty good trophy cabinet - if it hasn't been hocked yet!
Nah, Laurence Angwin stole it on his way out of there.

[borissey]

Carlton. And by a very long way too. Kangaroos are next. Bulldogs, Egales and Hawks have the best along with the Cats close.

Poppycock. Absolute poppycock. We've got 5 top 25 selections coming through who've only played 1 game between them - how does that infer worst?

Whoever started the post, define your question. BigFooty has listed the top 10 players of players sub 23 recently. Do you mean Uner 20's? Under 21's? Players of less than 50 games? Help us out.

Do the Swans and Dockers have any great young stars coming through? Remember the Dockers gave away all their early picks in 2004 to lure Josh Carr.

[ok.crows]

A year ago the answer to this question that BigFooty would have proclaimed is "the Crows by far".

This year those younger Crows players actually played most games (or a number of games anyway): Rutten, Mattner, Bock, Hentschel, Reilly, Van Berlo, Knights. There was also an import: Thompson.

The Crows had their best return ever in terms of the number of minor round games won.

So much for BigFooty pundits.

[Bentleigh]

Poppycock....

:D

[JeffDunne]

Poppycock. Absolute poppycock. We've got 5 top 25 selections coming through who've only played 1 game between them - how does that infer worst?
How does being selected in the top 25 guarantee you'll be good at AFL level?

[itsintheblood]

Worst "anything" in the AFL and chances are "Carlton" is the correct answer.

Worst list, worst management, you name it, they are the worst at it.

I believe they've got a pretty good trophy cabinet - if it hasn't been hocked yet!


Sqwark!!!!!

[Zeke]

How does being selected in the top 25 guarantee you'll be good at AFL level?

See Brendon Goddard.

[windsock]

Collingwood's isn't that bad but the gap between how good they think they are and how good they actually are is the biggest out of the comp. Essendon isn't far behind in those stakes.

Sydney have nothing by way of youth coming through. But who cares, they just won the flag!!

[Catnip]

A year ago the answer to this question that BigFooty would have proclaimed is "the Crows by far".

This year those younger Crows players actually played most games (or a number of games anyway): Rutten, Mattner, Bock, Hentschel, Reilly, Van Berlo, Knights. There was also an import: Thompson.

The Crows had their best return ever in terms of the number of minor round games won.

So much for BigFooty pundits.

A bit harsh. Nobody rated the Cows this time last year, it wasn't just us blokes that got it wrong. Now that everybody rates you, you will need to be kissed by the injury fairy to again make the top four.

Craig and his men 'flew under the radar' a bit last year (sorry for the cliche) but rest assured you will be rated and studied a lot more closely this year.

[ok.crows]

How does being selected in the top 25 guarantee you'll be good at AFL level?

There are probably a lot more younger AFL players who were NOT top 25 draft selections coming through and making it beyond the 50 games or so benchmark.

[JeffDunne]

See Brendon Goddard.
Glass houses Zeke.

[ICanDressMyself]

Fremantle. Copping. End of story.

[Zeke]

Glass houses Zeke.

Fair go.

I was merely reinforcing your point, Jeff.

Do you always attack those that agree with you? ;)

[Cheer Red Blood]

Sydney have nothing by way of youth coming through. But who cares, they just won the flag!!

Rubbish.

Most of our young players have only played small roles because the strength, talent and durability of our first choice players mean they haven't got anywhere to play other than off the bench, or five minutes a game in the middle.

They've shown plenty with the limited opportunities they've got. You've just not seen them.

[windsock]

Rubbish.

Most of our young players have only played small roles because the strength, talent and durability of our first choice players mean they haven't got anywhere to play other than off the bench, or five minutes a game in the middle.

They've shown plenty with the limited opportunities they've got. You've just not seen them.


Help me out.

[JeffDunne]

Fair go.

I was merely reinforcing your point, Jeff.

Do you always attack those that agree with you? ;)
You were disproving rather proving my point.

I could have thought of better examples. :)

[Bentleigh]

Help me out.

I'd take Jarred Moore at Punt Road.

Can't think of too many others.

[NorthBhoy]

I'd take Jarred Moore at Punt Road.

Is he the little fat one? I love that bloke. I would play him at North, 120 mins each week.

Just for comedy value if nothing else.

[ok.crows]

A bit harsh. Nobody rated the Cows this time last year, it wasn't just us blokes that got it wrong. Now that everybody rates you, you will need to be kissed by the injury fairy to again make the top four.

Craig and his men 'flew under the radar' a bit last year (sorry for the cliche) but rest assured you will be rated and studied a lot more closely this year.

I don't think it harsh at all.

There were any number of BigFooty posters making the call a year ago that the Crows were an aging side with absolutely NO young talent coming through to replace the older stars. The Crows were supposed to be at 2 o'clock on the premiership clock at the start of 2005 and supposed to be facing a number of years in the bottom four - yet the Crows came within a couple of goals of a GF berth.

Despite these dire assesments (last year) of having NO good young players, the Crows did establish maybe six players who could end up with long AFL careers.

In short - just becasue the names of younger players who are trying to break into interstate AFL sides do get printed in the Melbourne media does not mean they are not good young prospects.

Also, somewhat surprisingly - just because a clubs younger list does not have a large sprinkling of draft picks 25 or lower also does not mean that the young players that club is nurturing are not good AFL prospects.

[celtic_pride]

It's hard to say, but probably kangaroos.

[Bentleigh]

Is he the little fat one? I love that bloke. I would play him at North, 120 mins each week.

Just for comedy value if nothing else.

Yeah the tubby kid. ---> http://sydneyswans.com.au/default.asp?pg=players&spg=playerprofile&personid=352285

Tough.

[Cheer Red Blood]

Help me out.

Jared Moore. Nick Malkeski. Luke Vogels. Darren Jolly. Ted Richards. Sean Dempster. Lewis Roberts-Thompson. Amon Buchanen. Luke Ablett. Adam Schneider. Stephen Doyle.

[The Fireman]

See Brendon Goddard.
didn't Collingwood speak to Goddard?

[JeffDunne]

didn't Collingwood speak to Goddard?
Collingwood speak to a lot of people.

Speak is all they seem to do.

[The Fireman]

Collingwood speak to a lot of people.

Speak is all they seem to do.
But no one is listening :( :p

[Bentleigh]

Jared Moore. Nick Malkeski. Luke Vogels. Darren Jolly. Ted Richards. Sean Dempster. Lewis Roberts-Thompson. Amon Buchanen. Luke Ablett. Adam Schneider. Stephen Doyle.

They've shown plenty with the limited opportunities they've got. You've just not seen them.

I've seen plenty of most of them.

You told un-truths!

[Cheer Red Blood]

I've seen plenty of most of them.

You told un-truths!

I only listed players who have played AFL games, and shown they will be around for quite a bit longer.

I don't get hysterical about kids who haven't played an AFL game.

[Bentleigh]

I only listed players who have played AFL games, and shown they will be around for quite a bit longer.

I don't get hysterical about kids who haven't played an AFL game.

'Cause the Swannies dont have anyone all that promsing comming though?

[windsock]

Jared Moore. Nick Malkeski. Luke Vogels. Darren Jolly. Ted Richards. Sean Dempster. Lewis Roberts-Thompson. Amon Buchanen. Luke Ablett. Adam Schneider. Stephen Doyle.


That's a very liberal interpretation of the term 'kids'. Off the top of my head I reckon Jolly and Doyle would be 24-25, Ablett and Richards 22-23, and the rest - perhaps other than Moore, who I know nothing about - would be at least 21 or older.

I would have thought 21 and under constitutes a 'kid'.

[The Zebra]

What qualifies as young?

North have Wells, Hale, Smith, Trotter and Firrito all 21 or under which puts us ahead of most clubs.

[Bentleigh]

That's a very liberal interpretation of the term 'kids'. Off the top of my head I reckon Jolly and Doyle would be 24-25, Ablett and Richards 22-23, and the rest would be at least 21 or older.

I would have thought 21 and under consitutes a 'kid'.

- Jared Moore: 20
- Nick Malkeski: 22
- Luke Vogels: 23
- Darren Jolly: 24
- Ted Richards: 23
- Sean Dempster: 22
- Lewis Roberts-Thompson: 22
- Amon Buchanen: 23
- Luke Ablett: 23
- Adam Schneider: 22
- Stephen Doyle: 25

What qualifies as young?

North have Wells, Hale, Smith, Trotter and Firrito all 21 or under which puts us ahead of most clubs.

According to Cheer Red Blood 23/24/25

I would have thought maybe U21 would be the better choice.

[Cheer Red Blood]

That's a very liberal interpretation of the term 'kids'. Off the top of my head I reckon Jolly and Doyle would be 24-25, Ablett and Richards 22-23, and the rest - perhaps other than Moore, who I know nothing about - would be at least 21 or older.

I would have thought 21 and under constitutes a 'kid'.

Other than Moore no Sydney player under 21 has played an AFL game. Typically Sydney selectes 'project' players like Andrew Erikson and Mathew Davis who will take quite a bit longer. And they can afford too because the first choice players have talent and mostly longevity.

'Cause the Swannies dont have anyone all that promsing comming though?

Because every club drafts at least three players every year. They have too. Until they've shown something at AFL level you can't be sure that they will have good AFL careers. Look at Watson - Drafted at 14 in the 'Super draft', Roos fans' must have been psyched that they got what they thought would be a great 10 year player, but he only achieved solid VFL form.

I could list kids who have only played Canberra if you want, but you could just write them off as 'duds' because they haven't played AFL yet.

[gandaal]

U 21

Brad Fisher (21)
Kade Simpson (21)
Adam Bentick (20)
Andrew Walker (19)
Eddie Betts (19)
Luke Blackwell (19)
Adam Hartlett (19)
Jordan Russell (19)
Anthony Raso (18)
Marc Murphy (18)
Josh Kennedy (18)
Paul Bower (17)
Jake Edwards (17)

As the players on this list grow older every single one of them makes more and more of an impact. That's exactly what you want to see which imo easily removes our nomination.

[ICanDressMyself]

U 21

Brad Fisher (21)
Kade Simpson (21)
Adam Bentick (20)
Andrew Walker (19)
Eddie Betts (19)
Luke Blackwell (19)
Adam Hartlett (19)
Jordan Russell (19)
Anthony Raso (18)
Marc Murphy (18)
Josh Kennedy (18)
Paul Bower (17)
Jake Edwards (17)

As the players on this list grow older every single one of them makes more and more of an impact. That's exactly what you want to see which imo easily removes our nomination.

Yeah but you're still garbage.

[Longy413]

Other than Moore no Sydney player under 21 has played an AFL game.

McVeigh, Bevan, Powell?

[gandaal]

Yeah but you're still garbage.
Yeah but you still live in South Australia

[TheGeneral]

Kangaroos.
Aside from Hale, Wells and Smith, what have they got?

Nothing.

[ICanDressMyself]

Yeah but you still live in South Australia

Magnificent comeback you unique genious.

[gandaal]

Magnificent comeback you unique genious.
Thank you *bows*

[Hoggy]

Magnificent comeback you unique genious.

Personally, when insulting someone's intelligence I would attempt to spell "genius" correctly.

[ICanDressMyself]

Personally, when insulting someone's intelligence I would attempt to spell "genius" correctly.

I wasn't insulting his intelligence, I was insulting the lack of quality in his comebacks.

[JeffDunne]

U 21

Brad Fisher (21)
Kade Simpson (21)
Adam Bentick (20)
Andrew Walker (19)
Eddie Betts (19)
Luke Blackwell (19)
Adam Hartlett (19)
Jordan Russell (19)
Anthony Raso (18)
Marc Murphy (18)
Josh Kennedy (18)
Paul Bower (17)
Jake Edwards (17)

As the players on this list grow older every single one of them makes more and more of an impact. That's exactly what you want to see which imo easily removes our nomination.
Brad Fisher (21) **
Kade Simpson (21) x
Adam Bentick (20) *
Andrew Walker (19) *
Eddie Betts (19) *
Luke Blackwell (19) x
Adam Hartlett (19) x
Jordan Russell (19) x
Anthony Raso (18) x
Marc Murphy (18) x
Josh Kennedy (18) x
Paul Bower (17) x
Jake Edwards (17) x

x - unknown quantity
* - would struggle to get a game at most other clubs
** - shown he'll be up to it

This proves nothing.

[The Zebra]

Kangaroos.
Aside from Hale, Wells and Smith, what have they got?

Nothing.

Brad Fisher (21)
Kade Simpson (21)
Adam Bentick (20)
Andrew Walker (19)
Eddie Betts (19)
Luke Blackwell (19)
Adam Hartlett (19)
Jordan Russell (19)
Anthony Raso (18)
Marc Murphy (18)
Josh Kennedy (18)
Paul Bower (17)
Jake Edwards (17)

vs

Wells (20)
Hale (21)
Smith (18)
Trotter (19)
Firrito (21)
McConnell (19)
Grima (21)
McIntosh (21)
Ch. Jones (21)
Urch (21)
Perry (20)
Gibson (21)
Powell (21)

plus this years draftees,

I know which list I would want!!

[celtic_pride]

Brad Fisher (21) **
Kade Simpson (21) x
Adam Bentick (20) *
Andrew Walker (19) *
Eddie Betts (19) *
Luke Blackwell (19) x
Adam Hartlett (19) x
Jordan Russell (19) x
Anthony Raso (18) x
Marc Murphy (18) x
Josh Kennedy (18) x
Paul Bower (17) x
Jake Edwards (17) x

x - unknown quantity
* - would struggle to get a game at most other clubs
** - shown he'll be up to it

This proves nothing.

That may be fair but I was wondering why you think bentick would struggle to get a game at most clubs. He can find the pill allright and is a goer.
Most clubs would also take Walker as well.

[gandaal]

Brad Fisher (21) **
Kade Simpson (21) x
Adam Bentick (20) *
Andrew Walker (19) *
Eddie Betts (19) *
Luke Blackwell (19) x
Adam Hartlett (19) x
Jordan Russell (19) x
Anthony Raso (18) x
Marc Murphy (18) x
Josh Kennedy (18) x
Paul Bower (17) x
Jake Edwards (17) x

x - unknown quantity
* - would struggle to get a game at most other clubs
** - shown he'll be up to it

This proves nothing.
The whole topic proves nothing. You'd have to be pretty stupid to write off any player 20 or younger (which I note you have done) from any team, unless of course they happen to be playing most of their footy in the VFL reserves like Morrison or Shaw. This whole topic is rubbish designed by a known troll to have a dig at other clubs.

[TheGeneral]

Brad Fisher (21)
Kade Simpson (21)
Adam Bentick (20)
Andrew Walker (19)
Eddie Betts (19)
Luke Blackwell (19)
Adam Hartlett (19)
Jordan Russell (19)
Anthony Raso (18)
Marc Murphy (18)
Josh Kennedy (18)
Paul Bower (17)
Jake Edwards (17)

vs

Wells (20)
Hale (21)
Smith (18)
Trotter (19)
Firrito (21)
McConnell (19)
Grima (21)
McIntosh (21)
Ch. Jones (21)
Urch (21)
Perry (20)
Gibson (21)
Powell (21)

plus this years draftees,

I know which list I would want!!
I'd rather have Carlton's younger group and you didn't have any decent picks this year!:rolleyes:

Kangaroos are doing the wrong thing like Carlton did in trading away early picks for duds.

Horse's arse>Laidley.

[Bentleigh]

That may be fair but I was wondering why you think bentick would struggle to get a game at most clubs. He can find the pill allright and is a goer.
Most clubs would also take Walker as well.


Bentick wouldn't make top 8 clubs 22. Wouldn't make Richmonds side either.

Walker of last year would be in the same boat but just on natural talent and potential you'd want him on your list.

[NorthBhoy]

[QUOTE=cypher]I'd rather have Carlton's younger group

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Therefore, it is my opinion that based on the above, you are a moron.

Kangaroos are doing the wrong thing like Carlton did in trading away early picks for duds.

Thompson is a dud is he? Hay hasn't even played a game yet.

Horse's arse>Laidley

Laidley > Pagan on one third the cash.

[Cheer Red Blood]

McVeigh, Bevan, Powell?

Completely forgot about the first two. Powell is now at the Kangaroos.

[TheGeneral]

Andrew Walker (19) *

* - would struggle to get a game at most other clubs


That's laughable and ignorant since you've played Gwilt, the Clarkes and McGough and Fiora and the Eagles played other average players like Green, Edwards, Nicoski, etc.

Goddard is one of the worst performed young players in the AFL and he would struggle to get a game for most sides based on his poor form.

[JeffDunne]

The whole topic proves nothing. You'd have to be pretty stupid to write off any player 20 or younger (which I note you have done) from any team, unless of course they happen to be playing most of their footy in the VFL reserves like Morrison or Shaw. This whole topic is rubbish designed by a known troll to have a dig at other clubs.
I have?

Not writing anyone off, just IMO if you're going to rate talent, do it when they play at the highest level. Fact is most of your kids haven't been exposed to playing at that level so atm they can't really be rated.

[celtic_pride]

I have?

Not writing anyone off, just IMO if you're going to rate talent, do it when they play at the highest level. Fact is most of your kids haven't been exposed to playing at that level so atm they can't really be rated.

You have to give them a couple of years to make the grade. A couple of years ago I thought Kade Simpson wasn't up to it, but this year he has really stepped up.
Carlton lack the luxury of having decent second tier, older experience players to help show them the ropes, which hopefully won't harm their development (although I can see why it's affected walker etc)
The lack of real onfield leadership at the club is a big problem IMHO>

[JeffDunne]

That's laughable and ignorant since you've played Gwilt, the Clarkes and McGough and Fiora and the Eagles played other average players like Green, Edwards, Nicoski, etc.
Oh cypher . . . why do I bother with you?

The Clarkes (especially X) - you can't be serious? You haven't watched them play have you? As for the others, when you have shallow lists and you have a lot of injuries, pretty well everyone gets a run - i.e. they aren't in our best 22.

Goddard is one of the worst performed young players in the AFL and he would struggle to get a game for most sides based on his poor form.
Goddard is a long way ahead of Walker atm.

Maybe you should watch a few more of his games.

[TheGeneral]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Therefore, it is my opinion that based on the above, you are a moron.
And you know you're wrong because you couldn't comeback with anything except name calling.
Thompson is a dud is he? Hay hasn't even played a game yet.
Not a dud but he's an average talent who's you can't rebuild around.
Laidley > Pagan on one third the cash.
You just don't have the cash or resources to pay a decent coach.

Funny how your supporters have turned on a two time Premiership coach because you couldn't meet his demands and you now say No Carey, No Pagan.

Pagan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wayne Brittain>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Laidley

[JeffDunne]

The lack of real onfield leadership at the club is a big problem IMHO>
With so much invested in the kids it's a huge problem.

[The Zebra]

. Fact is most of your kids haven't been exposed to playing at that level so atm they can't really be rated.

And it is not like they have to do much to force their way into Carlton's line up!

90% of North's under 21 list would play regular senior football at Carlton.

[Port01]

I'd rather have Carlton's younger group and you didn't have any decent picks this year!:rolleyes:

Kangaroos are doing the wrong thing like Carlton did in trading away early picks for duds.

Horse's arse>Laidley.

What has not trading your picks given you besides a couple of years of non-accountability?

[Funkalicous]

The Kangaroos' list of young players is certainly the worst, but with good reason. If you ignore all your early draft picks, it tends to happen...

[The Zebra]

And you know you're wrong because you couldn't comeback with anything except name calling.

Not a dud but he's an average talent who's you can't rebuild around.

You just don't have the cash or resources to pay a decent coach.

Funny how your supporters have turned on a two time Premiership coach because you couldn't meet his demands and you now say No Carey, No Pagan.

Pagan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wayne Brittain>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Laidley


So given our shocking youngsters, and given the average trades we have made (e.g. Thompson), and given our lack of resources - how does a dud coach like Laidley get this shambles of a club to 5th after the H & A? And where would we have finished with a good coach??

[TheGeneral]

Oh cypher . . . why do I bother with you?
I don't know, perhaps it's your obsession with everything Carlton.
The Clarkes (especially X) - you can't be serious? You haven't watched them play have you? As for the others, when you have shallow lists and you have a lot of injuries, pretty well everyone gets a run - i.e. they aren't in our best 22.

Walker would get a game with every side and Raphael Clarke or Fiora aren't better than Walker.

Perhaps you should watch a few of his games rather than judge him on what the trolls on here say.
Goddard is a long way ahead of Walker atm.

That's not the point and he's in his third year of football so he should be better.

He would still struggle to get a game with West Coast or another top 8 side based on how Thomas has developed him.

[TheGeneral]

What has not trading your picks given you besides a couple of years of non-accountability?
I don't know, you tell me?

Our list of young players isn't too bad given we've had two years of draft penalites and are still recovering from that hit.

[JeffDunne]

Walker would get a game with every side
No he wouldn't.

Has he learnt yet to hit a target more than 25m away?

Didn't think so.

Perhaps you should watch a few of his games rather than judge him on what the trolls on here say.
Here's a challenge for you cypher - I love doing this to you lemmings.

Other than Walkers first game (against an incredibly unaccountable West Coast), name me a game that you'd put on his resume. Just one game where I am missing something about this kid and I'll watch it (if I haven't seen it already). Name the game.

[TheGeneral]

So given our shocking youngsters, and given the average trades we have made (e.g. Thompson), and given our lack of resources - how does a dud coach like Laidley get this shambles of a club to 5th after the H & A? And where would we have finished with a good coach??
You were eliminated in the first round of the finals after being belted by Port at home.

Wayne Brittain coached us to second on the ladder in 2000 but had a great list with Kouta the standout player in the AFL that year.

Coached us to a spoon 2 years later after the club's policy of trading away early picks for hasbeens hit home.

[gandaal]

Brad Fisher (21)
Kade Simpson (21)
Adam Bentick (20)
Andrew Walker (19)
Eddie Betts (19)
Luke Blackwell (19)
Adam Hartlett (19)
Jordan Russell (19)
Anthony Raso (18)
Marc Murphy (18)
Josh Kennedy (18)
Paul Bower (17)
Jake Edwards (17)

vs

Wells (20)
Hale (21)
Smith (18)
Trotter (19)
Firrito (21)
McConnell (19)
Grima (21)
McIntosh (21)
Ch. Jones (21)
Urch (21)
Perry (20)
Gibson (21)
Powell (21)

plus this years draftees,

I know which list I would want!!
Firritto (22) (ineligable) Otherwise I'd be adding Jarrad Waite and Setanta O'hAilpin (Waite>>>>>>>>>Firritto)
Hale (21)- Goes ok for a young ruckman. Nothing spectacular but at his age that's no problem. Ruckman usually start hitting their peak around 26-28.
Grima (21)- 21 years of age and only 5 games. Make or break. Big question mark
McIntosh (21)- 21 years of age and only 1 game. Make or break. Big question mark.
Ch. Jones (21)- 21 years of age and only 5 games. Make or break. Big question mark.
Urch (21)- 21 years of age and only 6 games. Make or break. Big question mark.
Powell (21)- 21 years of age and only 8 games. Already been traded by one club. Big question mark.
Gibson (21) Rookie, unless of course he's been promoted (I didn't include rookies). Still at 21 he's yet to play a game.
Wells (20)- Quality player. Will be a star no doubt if he isn't already.
Perry (20)- Hasn't played a game yet but is still young.
Smith (19) Hasn't shown what other highly rated draftees like Delideo and Griffin have done but he's still very very young and only a fool (like Jeff Dunne aka Walker) would knock a 19 year old.
Trotter (19)- played a three games which is a good effort. Still young.
McConnell (19)- Obviously showed a bit with his two AFL games to warrant the kind of attention he got.
Swallow (18)- Newly drafted
Riggio (17)- Newly drafted

To many huge question marks over most of that list. Too many 21 year olds who have done little to date. I'd take Carlton's list in a microsecond.

[celtic_pride]

Hate to disagree with another Carlton fan at the moment, but based on last year's form it would have to be Goddard >>>>> walker ... Although walks is a couple of years younger though.

[NorthBhoy]

And you know you're wrong because you couldn't comeback with anything except name calling.

No, an opinion.


Not a dud but he's an average talent who's you can't rebuild around.

Righto. He had a better year than anyone on your list. He would possibly be your best player.

You just don't have the cash or resources to pay a decent coach.

We don't have the cash to pay an overpriced, out-dated, un-accountable coach whose recent record is laughable for his price tag.

Funny how your supporters have turned on a two time Premiership coach because you couldn't meet his demands and you now say No Carey, No Pagan.

Meet his demands? Sounds about right. We just couldn't justify the money.

Pagan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wayne Brittain>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Laidley

Righto.

With that many >'s, it could be assumed that he is the worse coach in the history of competitve sport. Of all kinds, all across the world.

So to finish 5th...hang on...we must have the best list...well...ever. So if we get even a 'bad' coach, we will win the next, ahm, 15 flags?

[Bentleigh]

Firritto (22) (ineligable) Otherwise I'd be adding Jarrad Waite and Setanta O'hAilpin (Waite>>>>>>>>>Firritto)
Hale (21)- Goes ok for a young ruckman. Nothing spectacular but at his age that's no problem. Ruckman usually start hitting their peak around 26-28.
Grima (21)- 21 years of age and only 5 games. Make or break. Big question mark
McIntosh (21)- 21 years of age and only 1 game. Make or break. Big question mark.
Ch. Jones (21)- 21 years of age and only 5 games. Make or break. Big question mark.
Urch (21)- 21 years of age and only 6 games. Make or break. Big question mark.
Powell (21)- 21 years of age and only 8 games. Already been traded by one club. Big question mark..

Unlike Carlton the likes of Roos & Sydney have a decent list and 19/20 year olds dont get games unless they are very good.

[TheGeneral]

No he wouldn't.

Has he learnt yet to hit a target more than 25m away?

Didn't think so.
Yes, has Goddard learnt how to tackle and hold his feet against a smaller player? Ashley McGrath had no problem breaking his tackle this year.
Other than Walkers first game (against an incredibly unaccountable West Coast), name me a game that you'd put on his resume. Just one game where I am missing something about this kid and I'll watch it (if I haven't seen it already). Name the game.
Walker beat Akermanis and Mcleod this year and is developing the way a 19 year old should, after playing more games than anyone except Cooney.

Name a game that Raphael Clarke or Fiora excelled in?

Then put them in Carlton's side.

[gandaal]

Unlike Carlton the likes of Roos & Sydney have a decent list and 19/20 year olds dont get games unless they are very good.
Whcih proves my point. These 21 year old whatshisname listed aren't any good. Most are KPPs and if they were any good they wouldn't have need to have recruited Thompson and Hay from the Hawks.

And sure we've played our kids, as any club should do in our situation, but most of the kids have shown something. A few such as Davies (22) and Norman (delisted) haven't but they aren't on my list for reasons mentioned.

[AndyLucimitis]

I keep getting told that Carlton is now irrelevant but everyones obsession with giving it to Carlton is hilarious - I think Jeff Dunne is doing a PhD on the subject.

[TheGeneral]

Righto. He had a better year than anyone on your list. He would possibly be your best player.
I doubt Thompson's a better footballer and more talented than Stevens, Kouta and Fev.
We don't have the cash to pay an overpriced, out-dated, un-accountable coach whose recent record is laughable for his price tag.
That's funny.

Meet his demands? Sounds about right. We just couldn't justify the money.
You needed him to write H/S articles to meet his demands and Laidley had to lay a concrete slab because they couldn't afford to pay someone to do it.
So to finish 5th...hang on...we must have the best list...well...ever. So if we get even a 'bad' coach, we will win the next, ahm, 15 flags?
Maybe you have a competitive list of senior players that will take you to the finals but not a flag.

Laidley even admitted that they can't afford to draft players because there so skint.

Career suicide.

[gandaal]

I keep getting told that Carlton is now irrelevant but everyones obsession with giving it to Carlton is hilarious - I think Jeff Dunne is doing a PhD on the subject.
:thumbsu:

I've been thinking about that myself. I doubt you'd find a more talked about club on Bigfooty then Carlton (certainly far more than any other Victorian club).

[Lajon]

yea yea .... we have the worst list ... we have the worst kids ... we have the worst coach ... we have no future .... we've never won a flag etc etc

Arguing on the internet over whose youngsters are better is irrelevant. Petty, ridiculous arguments. We'll see what happens over the course of the next few years ey.

Maybe another enlightening discussion that hasn't been seen on Big Footy before would be on why the Saints have won 1 flag in 100 years and continue to struggle when their team has been loaded with priority picks. Maybe this is the reason their fans are so bitter at Carlton and finally are able to mouth off when the most successful club in the history of Australian sport is going through a rough patch. Bring out those draft stats Joffa Boy you little ferret.

[JeffDunne]

Yes, has Goddard learnt how to tackle and hold his feet against a smaller player? Ashley McGrath had no problem breaking his tackle this year.
I'd be the first to admit that BJ needs to improve to fulfill his potential but he's far from a dud. Beatiful foot skills too.

Walker beat Akermanis and Mcleod this year and is developing the way a 19 year old should, after playing more games than anyone except Cooney.
You seem to think I'm saying he'll be a dud. I'm not and I've never said that.

However, if the best he can do is a role as a tagger, Carlton have wasted one very talented kid. (And NO, I'm not suggesting he won't develop further). IMO, AW's biggest problem is composure when he has the ball.

Name a game that Raphael Clarke or Fiora excelled in?

Then put them in Carlton's side.
I'm not sure you are aware, but Raph didn't play a senior game until this year. Should I do a statistical comparison of him and AW this year? LOL.

As for Fiora - what's you fascination? He's not in our best 22 and is hardly a young player anymore, and when needed to can do a job - and he also has very nice foot skills.

[celtic_pride]

This talk of how good/bad kids are is irrelevant until 5 or so years down the track ... IMO

[JeffDunne]

:thumbsu:

I've been thinking about that myself. I doubt you'd find a more talked about club on Bigfooty then Carlton (certainly far more than any other Victorian club).
Thank parrot.

[AndyLucimitis]

yea yea .... we have the worst list ... we have the worst kids ... we have the worst coach ... we have no future .... we've never won a flag etc etc

Arguing on the internet over whose youngsters are better is irrelevant. Petty, ridiculous arguments. We'll see what happens over the course of the next few years ey.

Maybe another enlightening discussion that hasn't been seen on Big Footy before would be on why the Saints have won 1 flag in 100 years and continue to struggle when their team has been loaded with priority picks. Maybe this is the reason their fans are so bitter at Carlton and finally are able to mouth off when the most successful club in the history of Australian sport is going through a rough patch. Bring out those draft stats Joffa Boy you little ferret.


Hey - you shouldn't be so harsh on the Saints - we're supposed to be inspired by them.

Don't forget, they came 4th last year !!

[eastaugh36]

Yeah but you still live in South Australia

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

[JeffDunne]

Maybe this is the reason their fans are so bitter at Carlton and finally are able to mouth off when the most successful club in the history of Australian sport is going through a rough patch. .
LOL.

[gandaal]

Brilliant. :rolleyes:
So was the guy I responded to. Great post that one, got the response it deserved.

[NorthBhoy]

I doubt Thompson's a better footballer and more talented than Stevens, Kouta and Fev.

He had a better year in 2005 than all three.
.
That's funny.

What is?
.
You needed him to write H/S articles to meet his demands and Laidley had to lay a concrete slab because they couldn't afford to pay someone to do it.

Yeah, we don't have alot of money. Welcome to 1867.

Maybe you have a competitive list of senior players that will take you to the finals but not a flag.

Grant and Harvey had great years. Simpson was ok. Archer was good in patches. Thompson had a great year. That's 5. How good were these blokes, playing against 22 each week. Guns!!!

Laidley even admitted that they can't afford to draft players because there so skint.

Laidley has drafted 14 kids from the ND in his 4 drafts. You got anything else, nope, wait, there is more.....

Career suicide

Righto.

We will see.

[AndyLucimitis]

Thank parrot.

At least I've got to agree with you there - I'm thinking of organising one of Carltons Mafia contacts in Lygon St. to get Parrott 'taken out' !!

[Lajon]

LOL.

name a more successfull club

[blueheart]

Carlton. And by a very long way too. Kangaroos are next. Bulldogs, Egales and Hawks have the best along with the Cats close.
Waite, Fisher, Walker, Thornton, Bentick, Carrazzo, Simpson, Murphy, Kennedy, Bower, Russell,Betts,Hartlett, Blackwell>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cloke, Cloke, Cloke, Shaw, Shaw, Rusling, O'Brien, Pendlebury, Thomas,
Stanley, ( rest not worth a mention).
Carlton over Collingdeadwood by a long way:thumbsu:

[Bentleigh]

name a more successfull club

Last 3/4 years

16th
16th
15th

:)

[gandaal]

Last 3/4 years

16th
16th
15th

:)
BBBZZZZZZ... Wrong :thumbsd:

[JeffDunne]

name a more successfull club
I'd rather not go there.

[gandaal]

I'd rather not go there.
LOL :)

[TheGeneral]

I'd be the first to admit that BJ needs to improve to fulfill his potential but he's far from a dud. Beatiful foot skills too.
I didn't say he was a dud but would struggle to get a game for other top sides.Should be played onball but Thomas is developing him the wrong way.
You seem to think I'm saying he'll be a dud. I'm not and I've never said that.
The kid has enough talent to play for every side.
However, if the best he can do is a role as a tagger, Carlton have wasted one very talented kid. (And NO, I'm not suggesting he won't develop further). IMO, AW's biggest problem is composure when he has the ball
We don't have anyone else on the list who has the speed and build to tag.

He's added a lot of bulk (and is even bigger now) and it does take a while for a 19 year old to grow into his body and adapt it to AFL.That's no excuse for his form which was solid but we place ridiculous expectations on everyone to be like Judd.:rolleyes:
I'm not sure you are aware, but Raph didn't play a senior game until this year. Should I do a statistical comparison of him and AW this year? LOL.
Stats don't mean anything and if he played with the Saints rather than a d1ck like Campo who ignores him, I'm sure he could pad his stats to 18 possessions a game.
As for Fiora - what's you fascination? He's not in our best 22 and is hardly a young player anymore, and when needed to can do a job - and he also has very nice foot skills.
No fascination but he plays for the Saints but struggled with the Tigers so I don't think he's any good.

Walker's skills aren't a problem when he's playing VFL where he's a class above everyone else and he will take this to the AFL when Pagan releases him into a more attacking role.

[Effes]

2005:

Thompson 52 goals from 23 games
Fevola 49 goals from 19 games

Which team also had better delivery from its midfield? :confused:

[gandaal]

2005:

Thompson 52 goals from 23 games
Fevola 49 goals from 19 games

Which team also had better delivery from its midfield? :confused:
Not to mention that Fevola was suffering from a serious groin strain over the second half of the season for which he needed surgery to correct at the end of the season.

[NorthBhoy]

Thompson 52 goals from 23 games
Fevola 49 goals from 19 games

Thompson played genuine FF around 6 times. Played most of his games at CHF.

Which team also had better delivery from its midfield? :confused

Did you watch North play in 2005!?!?! We kick like idiots. And he had to split forward entries with Grant and Rocca. This is splitting hairs. He had a better year than Fevola. This is not disputable.

[NorthBhoy]

Not to mention that Fevola was suffering from a serious groin strain over the second half of the season for which he needed surgery to correct at the end of the season.

And none of this changes my orginal statement.

[The Zebra]

the most successful club in the history of Australian sport .

You have historical success.
You had respect.

But like the cool kid who sh*t his pants at an assembly, it's very hard for you to get a date these days.