Our top 10: You decide

[Muji]

Guys i wanna know who our top 10 players are. Everyone puts in who they want, it's your own opinion. Here's mine:

1. Anthony Koutoufides.
2. Nick Stevens.
3. Brendon Fevola
4. Matthew Lappin
5. Bret Thornton
6. Lance Whitnall
7. Jarrad Waite
8. Barnaby French
9. Andrew Carazzo
10. Andrew Walker

I think these guys are our to 10 from my perspective. I think some of these players will step up in 06' that's why i placed them in my top 10, eg. Walker/Carazzo. I think a few were abit stiff to miss out like Teague, Scotland, Livingston, Fisher.

[TheGeneral]

This won't be fun or easy.:o

1. Anthony Koutoufides
2. Nick Stevens
3. Brendan Fevola
4. Jarred Waite
5. Matthew Lappin
6. Bret Thornton
7. Lance Whitnall
8. Barnaby French
9. Andrew Carrazzo
10. Adam Bentick

[Muji]

Make it our top 10 in 2 years then :p

[TheGeneral]

Easy!:p

1. Andrew Walker
2. Lachlan Hansen
3. Marc Murphy
4. Jordan Russell
5. Matthew Leuenberger
6. Luke Blackwell
7. Andrew Carrazzo
8. Adam Hartlett
9. Adam Bentick
10. Josh Kennedy

11. Sam Sheldon
12. Aisake O'Hailpin
13. Paul Bower
14. Eddie Betts
15. Chris Judd :cool:

[Muji]

:D very nice indeed

[HBF]

Easy!:p

1. Andrew Walker
2. Lachlan Hansen
3. Marc Murphy
4. Jordan Russell
5. Matthew Leuenberger
6. Luke Blackwell
7. Andrew Carrazzo
8. Adam Hartlett
9. Adam Bentick
10. Josh Kennedy

11. Sam Sheldon
12. Aisake O'Hailpin
13. Paul Bower
14. Eddie Betts
15. Chris Judd :cool:

Nice Cypher, nice..!!

[Effes]

Not going to do a top 10, but by the end of the year you'd hope Walker/SImpson/Bentick will all finish top 10 in the B&F. The club rate AB very highly:thumbsu:

[Koutou43]

1. Koutou
2. Stevens
3. Fevola
4. Thornton
5. Whitnall
6. French
7. Lappin
8. Waite
9. Walker
10. Carazzo

[Da Shag On Fire]

Kouta
Stevens
Fevola
Waite
Lappin
Thornton
French
Fisher
Whitnall
Carrazzo

[bibi01]

stevens
kouta
thornton
french
waite
lappin
fevola
fisher
whitnall
saddington

[blueheart]

1. Anthony Koutoufides
2. Nick Stevens
3. Brendan Fevola
4. Jarrad Waite
5. Lance Whitnall
6. Matthew Lappin
7. Brett Thornton
8. Heath Scotland
9. Brad Fisher
10. Barnaby French

[WTTF]

based on last year..........

1. Koutoufides
2. Stevens
3. Waite
4. Fevola
5. Lappin
6. French
7. Thornton
8. Carrazzo
9. Fisher
10. Scotland

[TheGeneral]

Easy!:p

1. Andrew Walker
2. Lachlan Hansen
3. Marc Murphy
4. Jordan Russell
5. Matthew Leuenberger
6. Luke Blackwell
7. Andrew Carrazzo
8. Adam Hartlett
9. Adam Bentick
10. Josh Kennedy

11. Sam Sheldon
12. Aisake O'Hailpin
13. Paul Bower
14. Eddie Betts
15. Kade Simpson
16. Chris Judd :cool:

Forgot Kade Simpson.

[deluxeman]

At the moment:
1. Kouta
2. Stevens
3. Fevola
4. Waite
5. Thornton
6. French
7. Lappin
8. Whitnall
9. Scotland
10. Carrazzo/Fisher

God you hope that guys like Bentick, Walker, Simpson, Murphy will be in the top 10 at the end of next year.

[gandaal]

1. Stevens
2. Kouta
3. Fevola
4. French
5. Scotland
6. Thornton
7. Whitnall
8. Lappin
9. Carrazzo
10. Fisher

[gandaal]

God you hope that guys like Bentick, Walker, Simpson, Murphy will be in the top 10 at the end of next year.
God I hope they're solidified in our best 18 at the end of next year. I'll settle for that.

[Muji]

So would I.

[stokesy]

This is what our top ten SHOULD look like this season if we are to somehow win a number of games:

1. Brendon Fevola
2. Nick Stevens
3. Brett Thornton
4. Anthony Koutoufides
5. Adam Bentick
6. Lance Whitnall
7. Jarrad Waite
8. Dylan McLaren
9. Marc Murphy
10. Barnaby French

[Muji]

I think French, Kouta will be gone at season's end unless their bodies hold up. I think Lappin will be gone in two years or so.. Who should we go for next year? KPP/Ruckmen or Mids?

[gandaal]

This is what our top ten SHOULD look like this season if we are to somehow win a number of games:

1. Brendon Fevola
2. Nick Stevens
3. Brett Thornton
4. Anthony Koutoufides
5. Adam Bentick
6. Lance Whitnall
7. Jarrad Waite
8. Dylan McLaren
9. Marc Murphy
10. Barnaby French
What I hope it will look like:

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Nick Stevens
3. Andrew Walker
4. Jarrad Waite
5. Kade Simpson
6. Adam Bentick
7. Bret Thornton
8. Barnaby French
9. Anthony Koutoufidies
10. Heath Scotland

[Muji]

A year on guys, and who do you think is our top 10 based on 2006 performance?

[AndSmithMustScore]

In no particular order.

Kade Simpson
Marc Murphy
Cain Ackland
Heath Scotland
Brendan Fevola
Jarrad Waite
Nick Stevens
Lance Whitnall
Bret Thornton
Brad Fisher

[blues4flag]

Brendon Fevola
Heath Scotland
Lance Whitnall
Kade Simpson
Bret Thornton
Andrew Walker
Nick Stevens
Ryan Houlihan
Marc Murphy (higher had he not been injured)
Jarrad Waite

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Not in any order:-

Brendan Fevola,
Marc Murphy
Kade Simpson
Andrew Walker,
Lance Whitnall
Heath Scotland,
Bret Thornton,
Anthony Koutoufides,
Ryan Houlihan,
Jarrad Waite

Be interesting to do this list at the start of 2008 :) Will be much harder to compile that list!:thumbsu:

[bluegal1983]

In no particular order.

Kade Simpson
Marc Murphy
Cain Ackland
Heath Scotland
Brendan Fevola
Jarrad Waite
Nick Stevens
Lance Whitnall
Bret Thornton
Brad Fisher

Cain Ackland ahead of Andy Walker who is not even mentioned? Hmmm :confused:

Here's mine... in no particular order

Andrew Walker
Marc Murphy
Kade Simpson
Lance Whitnall
Brendan Fevola
Nick Stevens
Heath Scotland
Ryan Houlihan
Anthony Koutoufides
Bret Thornton

[Brad Pearce]

Easy!:p

1. Andrew Walker
2. Lachlan Hansen
3. Marc Murphy
4. Jordan Russell
5. Matthew Leuenberger
6. Luke Blackwell
7. Andrew Carrazzo
8. Adam Hartlett
9. Adam Bentick
10. Josh Kennedy

11. Sam Sheldon
12. Aisake O'Hailpin
13. Paul Bower
14. Eddie Betts
15. Chris Judd :cool:
Amazing how time changes things

[AndSmithMustScore]

Cain Ackland ahead of Andy Walker who is not even mentioned? Hmmm :confused:

Here's mine... in no particular order

Andrew Walker
Marc Murphy
Kade Simpson
Lance Whitnall
Brendan Fevola
Nick Stevens
Heath Scotland
Ryan Houlihan
Anthony Koutoufides
Bret Thornton


Well our #1 ruckman is far more important to our sides structure than a kid who's disposal is ordinary at times.

We can replace a Walker type player in the squad far eaiser than we can replace a ruckman.

It's simple logic really.

Ruck = more improtant than a running half back/occasional midfielder.

[bluegal1983]

Well our #1 ruckman is far more important to our sides structure than a kid who's disposal is ordinary at times.

We can replace a Walker type player in the squad far eaiser than we can replace a ruckman.

It's simple logic really.

Ruck = more improtant than a running half back/occasional midfielder.

Whilst your logic is sound, Ackland hasn't even played a game for us. Don't you think he should have at least one game on the board before you judge him as one of our best?

I wanted to put Gibbs in my top ten but couldn't really justify it considering he hasn't played a game....

[AndSmithMustScore]

Whilst your logic is sound, Ackland hasn't even played a game for us. Don't you think he should have at least one game on the board before you judge him as one of our best?

I wanted to put Gibbs in my top ten but couldn't really justify it considering he hasn't played a game....

Ackland is better than anything we have by a bit at this stage in the rucks.

So without even playing a game for Carlton he's better than McClaren who was playing for the Bullants the last time i saw him.

Ackland has played well for St Kilda in the past so i'm happy enough to think at 24 he'll play well for us.

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Ackland will provide a lot to our team, and we have been lacking a presence like his for so many years.

wait and watch people, next year will be a lot different! :) I'm excited :)

[TheGeneral]

Well our #1 ruckman is far more important to our sides structure than a kid who's disposal is ordinary at times.

We can replace a Walker type player in the squad far eaiser than we can replace a ruckman.

It's simple logic really.

Ruck = more improtant than a running half back/occasional midfielder.
Walker is a potential All Australian player whilst Ackland would be no more than a back up ruckman if he was playing for the Dockers, Eagles, Swans, Crows or any other side with a gun ruckman.

Simple really.

He isn't easier to replace.

There aren't too many 190 cm wingman/HBF around who can play on a tall like Croad one week and a player such as Robertson, S.Grant, Mcleod or Aker the next week.

And bad groin injuries which require surgery affect your kicking.

[AndSmithMustScore]

Walker is a potential All Australian player whilst Ackland would be no more than a back up ruckman if he was playing for the Dockers, Eagles, Swans, Crows or any other side with a gun ruckman.

Simple really.

He isn't easier to replace.

There aren't too many 190 cm wingman/HBF around who can play on a tall like Croad one week and a player such as Robertson, S.Grant, Mcleod or Aker the next week.

And bad groin injuries which require surgery affect your kicking.

Potential AA?

In what position exactly?

Groin surgery doesn't effect ones decision making, and in that area he's suspect at times.

Murphy in 1 season showed far more potential for AA honours than Walker has in 3-4 years.

If you hadn't noticed we recruited quite a few walker like built 190cm type quick running back/wing style players this draft.

Personally i can't see where Walker would earn an AA berth.

And thus he's easier for us to replace with out recruiting at this stage than Ackland will be.

Remember we are talking next year, and Walker sure as hell won't be more important than Ackland next year in terms of the clubs needs.

[Johnny_3]

1.Fevola
2.Stevens
3.Murphy
4.Whitnall
5.Lappin
6.Houlihan
7.Walker
8.Thorton
9.Waite
10. Simpson

[TheGeneral]

Potential AA?

In what position exactly?
The one he plays. :cool:

If Bassett and Bolton can be AA players then Walker who is a better player at just 20 will make it.
Groin surgery doesn't effect ones decision making, and in that area he's suspect at times.
You weren't referring to his decision making and that can be improved, Kouta who was an outside player at the same age.
Murphy in 1 season showed far more potential for AA honours than Walker has in 3-4 years.
We're not talking about Murphy.
If you hadn't noticed we recruited quite a few walker like built 190cm type quick running back/wing style players this draft.

Personally i can't see where Walker would earn an AA berth.
I did notice but these players haven't debuted and you're comparing them to Walker. They're simply not as talented since they were drafted in the second round or later after being overlooked on more than one occasion.

Andrew is a better talent than Ben Reid, Brown and Everitt who were all drafted in the first round this year.
And thus he's easier for us to replace with out recruiting at this stage than Ackland will be.

Remember we are talking next year, and Walker sure as hell won't be more important than Ackland next year in terms of the clubs needs.
You've lost the plot here.

Ackland is only important because he's an experienced ruckman and he wouldn't be in the best 22 of a lot of sides in the league. Walker is a better player than Waters and Butler who played in a flag this year and Waters can't kick to save himself.

We drafted Hampson and Jacobs last year as well and those two will displace Ackland from the side if they develop. Benjamin, Russell, Anderson and Grigg sure as hell won't force AW out of the side in the future.

[gandaal]

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Lance Whitnall
3. Nick Stevens
4. Heath Scotland
5. Kade Simpson
6. Marc Murphy
7. Bret Thornton
8. Andrew Walker
9. Ryan Houlihan
10. Adam Bentick

The last three wouldn't be in the top 10 of any other club in the AFL.

[Kouta_legend]

Heres a my top a bit byast but who cares.

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Nick Stevens
3. Lance Whitnall
4. Anthony Koutafides
5. Kade Simpson
6. Jarred Waite
7. Andrew Carrazzo :thumbsu: Superstarr
8. Marc Murphy
9. Bret Thornton
10. Adam Hartlett

[Mentallo]

Ok.

1.Fevola
2.Stevens
3.Murphy
4.Whitnall
5.Thornton
6.Simpson
7.Scotland
8.Walker
9.Ackland (i hope)
10. Houlihan

[blues4flag]

Heres a my top a bit byast but who cares.

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Nick Stevens
3. Lance Whitnall
4. Anthony Koutafides
5. Kade Simpson
6. Jarred Waite
7. Andrew Carrazzo :thumbsu: Superstarr
8. Marc Murphy
9. Bret Thornton
10. Adam Hartlett
Adam Hartlett:confused: . Don't you think it's a bit too early to have him in your top 10, considering he hasn't debuted yet (or for that matter, even been close to a senior game thanks to his injuries)?

[AndSmithMustScore]

The one he plays. :cool:

If Bassett and Bolton can be AA players then Walker who is a better player at just 20 will make it.

You weren't referring to his decision making and that can be improved, Kouta who was an outside player at the same age.

We're not talking about Murphy.

I did notice but these players haven't debuted and you're comparing them to Walker. They're simply not as talented since they were drafted in the second round or later after being overlooked on more than one occasion.

Andrew is a better a talent than Ben Reid, Brown and Everitt who were all drafted in the first round and this surprised a lot of the experts. :rolleyes:

You've lost the plot here.

Ackland is only important because he's an experienced ruckman and he wouldn't be in the best 22 of a lot of sides in the league. Walker is a better player than Waters and Butler who played in a flag this year and Waters can't kick to save himself.

We drafted Hampson and Jacobs last year as well and those two will displace Ackland from the side if they develop. Benjamin, Russell, Anderson and Grigg sure as hell won't force AW out of the side in the future.

The top 10 we are asked to pick is for this season.

Ackland goes down, Walker goes down, who's loss hurts us more.

There is the answer to why i put Ackland ahead of Walker in my top 10.

Walker hasn't done that much to deserve the adulation heaped upon him.

As a highly touted pick 2 as yet he's failed to flatter.

[blues4flag]

The top 10 we are asked to pick is for this season.

Ackland goes down, Walker goes down, who's loss hurts us more.

There is the answer to why i put Ackland ahead of Walker in my top 10.

Walker hasn't done that much to deserve the adulation heaped upon him.

As a highly touted pick 2 as yet he's failed to flatter.
Actually, it was a top 10 based on 2006 performances. Walker had a better 2006 than Ackland (who wasn't even at Carlton) and thus should be higher up.

[AndSmithMustScore]

Actually, it was a top 10 based on 2006 performances. Walker had a better 2006 than Ackland (who wasn't even at Carlton) and thus should be higher up.

The top 10 of the wooden spooner isn't anywhere near the top 10 of clubs pushing for/or in the finals.

[blues4flag]

The top 10 of the wooden spooner isn't anywhere near the top 10 of clubs pushing for/or in the finals.
And Ackland wasn't no where near the top 10 of the Saints. Where exactly did I say anything about St Kilda's top 10? Based on performances, regardless of club position, Walker was better. In 2005 Ackland was very good, however he struggled this season. Hopefully for Carlton he will return to his 05 form, but his 2006 form was ordinary.

[mediumsizered]

The top 10 of the wooden spooner isn't anywhere near the top 10 of clubs pushing for/or in the finals.

That is for sure & that is why Carlton are where they are on the ladder. The potential for development in our top 10 players is the key to future success for the club. Only 3 or 4 of our current top 10 would get a game at the top 4 sides in the AFL, yet 2 years down the road that will probably be more like 8-10 of our top 10. That should then translate into on-field success.

[TheGeneral]

The top 10 we are asked to pick is for this season.

Ackland goes down, Walker goes down, who's loss hurts us more.

There is the answer to why i put Ackland ahead of Walker in my top 10.

Walker hasn't done that much to deserve the adulation heaped upon him.

As a highly touted pick 2 as yet he's failed to flatter.
How many players would flatter playing in the backline or tagging for a wooden spooner?

Not many would playing with players who don't show much accountability for their man despite being labelled as stars. Walker's hardly been allowed to play his natural game which is to attack and take them on if he has to cover for players such as Whitnall or Carrazzo after they've been beaten.

Or on the odd occasion when he has to take on two Crows on his own without any help from our leaders, assholes like Campo who wouldn't kick to him in the same game after he worked hard to present.

Would Ackland's loss be worse than losing the one player Denis uses to put out spotfires all over the ground?

No.

Walker was one our shining lights last year and going forward he is a more important player than Whitnall in the scheme of things. His kicking on the run needs to improve like every player on our list given our coaches haven't exactly set the world.

But at least he's got the ball this year whilst stopping his man when Ackland's form went backwards.

[AndSmithMustScore]

How many players would flatter playing in the backline or tagging for a wooden spooner?

Not many would playing with players who don't show much accountability for their man despite being labelled as stars. Walker's hardly been allowed to play his natural game which is to attack and take them on if he has to cover for players such as Whitnall or Carrazzo after they've been beaten.

Or on the odd occasion when he has to take on two Crows on his own without any help from our leaders, assholes like Campo who wouldn't kick to him in the same game after he worked hard to present.

Would Ackland's loss be worse than losing the one player Denis uses to put out spotfires all over the ground?

No.

Walker was one our shining lights last year and going forward he is a more important player than Whitnall in the scheme of things. His kicking on the run needs to improve like every player on our list given our coaches haven't exactly set the world.

But at least he's got the ball this year whilst stopping his man when Ackland's form went backwards.

Great players have great disposal.

Walker's kicking is down right ******** at times even when there's no pressure on him.

I can't believe you think he's more important than our B&F and easily best defender for the year,even going forward.

I'd pick Whitnall in the side long before i'd pick Walker.

[DIG]

Very similar to Gandaal:

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Lance Whitnall
3. Nick Stevens
4. Heath Scotland
5. Kade Simpson
6. Marc Murphy
7. Bret Thornton
8. Jarrod Waite
9. Andrew Walker
10. Ryan Houlihan

As optimistic as i am bout our future, i can still too easily see us copping a few floggings this year and finishing bottom 2 again.

Hopefully we get luck with key injuries, luck in the close ones, and some surprising rises to league competence by some of the younguns (not just Gibbs).

[Muji]

I can see our younger guys hopefully developing nicely this season, Bower, Edwards, Gibbs, Kennedy. I just want to get gametime and experience under the belts of some of these young guys and hopefully get a few wins on the way.

GO BLUES 2007!!!!!

[Blues_Man]

Very similar to Gandaal:

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Lance Whitnall
3. Nick Stevens
4. Heath Scotland
5. Kade Simpson
6. Marc Murphy
7. Bret Thornton
8. Jarrod Waite
9. Andrew Walker
10. Ryan Houlihan

As optimistic as i am bout our future, i can still too easily see us copping a few floggings this year and finishing bottom 2 again.

Hopefully we get luck with key injuries, luck in the close ones, and some surprising rises to league competence by some of the younguns (not just Gibbs).

I would agree with that line up ....interesting to revist this thread december next year . hopefully there will be several inclusions .

[BlueFeaver]

Expected Top 10 for 2007.

1. Fev- FF and to kick 80+
2. Stevens- Looks fitter than he ever has. B&F
3. Lance- To play Forward and Back as he pleases ala Hird.
4. Walker- To play in the centre, the apprentice is now qualified.
5. Murphy- To play Mid and HBF, Just Magic.
6. Thornton- Will play on the 2nd/3rd option, will become a rebound option
7. Simpson- Will continue to improve further on the wing.
8. Waite- Will play CHB/HBF depending on opponent."Consistant"
9. Ackland- First Ruck who goes forward and kicks goals.
10. Saddington- Will be the senior player down back. Don't be fooled by early last season, this guy can seriously play the game. Smart and athletic.

Honourable mention: Houlihan, Scottland, Kouta, O'hailpin, Fisher.

[btdg]

Top 10 for 2007:

Class acts
1. Marc Murphy - wins the football and his poise and delivery puts him a class above everyone else on our list. If his young frame can handle the workload, that is. Lets just hope we don't burn him out to early...
2. Andrew Walker - athletic, can do anything, lets himself down with disposal. Like a young Joel Bowden, hopefully he can find his niche next year and progress from there instead of taking 10 years to deliver as Bowden did.
3. Kade Simpson - Prototype Pagan midfielder - quick, delivers well, kicks goals. Should be very good next year.
4. Heath Scotland - gets plenty of the football in Pagan's sweeper role in defence, but too often flatfooted. If he can learn to receive the ball on the move and carry it forward a bit better (in a Judd type of way), and get us 60-70m on the rebound out of defence instead of 30-40, he could be a very damaging player. As is, he's just a symptom of our problems.

Hmmm...
5. Lance Whitnall - Not athletic enough to hold down a key forward position without a crash and bash guy like Hamill around. Did well as a loosish defender last year, but how long before teams play through his opponent. If his confidence drops and he stops reading the game so well, he's going to be a very expensive version of Jason Cloke in 6-12 months time... and does anyone believe he'll get himself fit 2 years in a row?
6. Nick Stevens - When he came to Carlton, he was an awesome footballer. Played hard, kicked long and accurately; exactly what we needed. Now he's lost motivation, is only interested in going one direction, and his skills and fitness have dropped off. Our most experienced midfielder, yet a liability on the field. Bugger
7. Brendan Fevola - Best player in the competition in 2006, IMO. Likely to follow that up with 50 goals in 8 games, before having a complete brain melt of some sort midway through next year.

On the rise
8. Bryce Gibbs - Expectations are high. Lets just hope he gets through the year without getting injured, gets some game time and shows a bit of promise
9. Josh Kennedy - Big, athletic, does some intangible stuff. Could be a good foil for Whitnall up forward in the second half of the year (after Fev rubs himself out and we're desperate for forwards).

Not worth all that off-season fuss - really
10. Bret Thornton - he just ain't that good... seriously... but he is our best defender so he belongs on this list

Also-rans
-Jarrod Waite - I've stopped caring. Anything consistent from here on would be a bonus in my eyes
-Ryan Houlihan - see above
-Andrew Carrazzo - solid backman, one of the few players who does a job week in, week out. I just can't put him top 10 though
-Cain Ackland - our first ruck. I cry a little every time I read that
-Luke Blackwell - I like him, in a Darren Hulme kind of way. Handy to have around
-Jordan Russell - same deal as with Thornton, only he's barely in our best 30 players. But all after all that fuss pre-season, he's bound to produce, right?
-Eddie Betts - Hahaha. A small (too small) forward who doesn't kick goals. Other teams aren't exactly trembling in their boots
- Brad Fisher - as above, he's a medium sized forward who doesn't kick goals. Still not causing nightmares for the opposition...

[HBF]

1. Fevola
2. Whitnall
3. Stevens
4. Thornton
5. Simpson
6. Murphy
7. Scotland
8. Walker
9. Houlihan
10. Fisher

[av76]

1. Fevola
2. Whitnall
3. Stevens
4. Thornton
5. Simpson
6. Murphy
7. Scotland
8. Walker
9. Houlihan
10. Fisher

Agree exactly with that top 8. Would have Kouta and Ackland (mainly through lack of ruck depth) in 9 & 10.

[TheGeneral]

10. Bret Thornton - he just ain't that good... seriously... but he is our best defender so he belongs on this list

-Luke Blackwell - I like him, in a Darren Hulme kind of way. Handy to have around
-Jordan Russell - same deal as with Thornton, only he's barely in our best 30 players. But all after all that fuss pre-season, he's bound to produce, right?
-Eddie Betts - Hahaha. A small (too small) forward who doesn't kick goals. Other teams aren't exactly trembling in their boots.
Congratulations on impressing everyone with your football knowledge and giving a great review of four of our younger players. :rolleyes:

[TheGeneral]

Great players have great disposal.

Walker's kicking is down right ******** at times even when there's no pressure on him.
You're oblivious to the fact players as committed as Andrew will improve from here on in with better coaching and have other attributes to make it. Lance isn't a great kick either and neither were SOS and McKay on the run.

I guess there wasn't any pressure on Walker when he kicked that 50 metre running goal against the Tigers.
I can't believe you think he's more important than our B&F and easily best defender for the year,even going forward.

I'd pick Whitnall in the side long before i'd pick Walker.
He is and Andrew Walker is our best defender since he isn't a loose man who roams around sans opponent. Walker has a lot more improvement to come and at least shows enough dedication to the club that picked him by showing up in great shape every year.

Lance can't or won't get himself fit and he isn't the leader we need to take this club forward (wavey, wavey your teammates down the ground instead of sprinting forward as an option like Riewoldt or Brown do :thumbsd: ).

It will be the younger players such as Gibbs, Murphy, Walker, etc and Fev who will decide the future of this club, not Lance who has had his time but failed to deliver and improve since he was AA.

Who had to pick up Croad when Whitnall was pantsed? :thumbsu:

[HBF]

Agree exactly with that top 8. Would have Kouta and Ackland (mainly through lack of ruck depth) in 9 & 10.

I thought about Kouta, but seeing that 2007 is almost certainly going to be his final year, I decided not to put him in my top 10.

Ackland perhaps, but i'd like to see what he can do in a Navy Blue jumper before I put him any form of my top 10.

[gandaal]

Very similar to Gandaal:

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Lance Whitnall
3. Nick Stevens
4. Heath Scotland
5. Kade Simpson
6. Marc Murphy
7. Bret Thornton
8. Jarrod Waite
9. Andrew Walker
10. Ryan Houlihan

As optimistic as i am bout our future, i can still too easily see us copping a few floggings this year and finishing bottom 2 again.

Hopefully we get luck with key injuries, luck in the close ones, and some surprising rises to league competence by some of the younguns (not just Gibbs).

Yep, with the last three you're pretty much rolling the dice but the top seven are pretty clear.

[Johnny_3]

Lance Whitnall - but how long before teams play through his opponent. If his confidence drops and he stops reading the game so well, he's going to be a very expensive version of Jason Cloke in 6-12 months time... and does anyone believe he'll get himself fit 2 years in a row?
already started, essendon done it. he's too slow for chf, atm i think his fitter/quicker but just how much i'd like to know. If he stops reading the game, that just won't happenn his a smart player and always will be, he'll always read it well hopefully physically he can keep up. and i think with captaincy lance wont stop trying. he want be a speed machine, but he well get himself alot fitter by 28.

Nick Stevens - When he came to Carlton, he was an awesome footballer. Played hard, kicked long and accurately; exactly what we needed. Now he's lost motivation, is only interested in going one direction, and his skills and fitness have dropped off. Our most experienced midfielder, yet a liability on the field. Bugger
I rate him so highly, carrying a slight injury is a class act and will be valuable in skill levels at the club and midfield develpment IMO so good to have him both on and off the field.

Brendan Fevola - Best player in the competition in 2006, IMO. Likely to follow that up with 50 goals in 8 games, before having a complete brain melt of some sort midway through next year.
how long did it take you to think up that, he'll only miss 1-3 matches this year being realistic so get over yourself.

Bryce Gibbs - Expectations are high. Lets just hope he gets through the year without getting injured, gets some game time and shows a bit of promise.
P.S HE HASNT STARTED
9. Josh Kennedy - Big, athletic, does some intangible stuff. Could be a good foil for Whitnall up forward in the second half of the year (after Fev rubs himself out and we're desperate for forwards).

Bret Thornton - he just ain't that good... seriously... but he is our best defender so he belongs on this list
quality defender, easily take 2nd or third tall. and surely he belongs on the list.

Jarrod Waite - I've stopped caring. Anything consistent from here on would be a bonus in my eyes
give him a chance with injuries haunting him since day 1 its hard to get back on track.
Ryan Houlihan - see above
See his skill, pace, class quality outside midfielder underrated so highly on this board.
Andrew Carrazzo - solid backman, one of the few players who does a job week in, week out. I just can't put him top 10 though
true that, underrated by other clubs. stops a small forward as well as finds his own ball.
Eddie Betts - Hahaha. A small (too small) forward who doesn't kick goals. Other teams aren't exactly trembling in their boots
sadly its true.

[pumped]

1. Fevola

2. Whitnall

3. Koutoufides

4. Walker

5. Stevens

6. Scotland

7. Thornton

8. Murphy

9. Simpson

10. Waite

[K.Simpson]

1. Fevola
2. Thornton
3. Whitnall
4. Waite
5. Kouta
6. Scotland
7. Stevens
8. Simpson
9. Murphy
10. Walker

thornton is one of our mnost under-rated players. in a team laking key defenders, he is our best and really only tall key backman with any experience (bar lance).

[TorresIsGod]

1. Whitnall
2. Fevola
3. Murphy
4. Scotland
5. Stevens
6. Simpson
7. Thornton
8. Walker
9. Waite
10. Koutoufides

Very hard to put Kouta anywhere higher than 10, this will definately be his final year of AFL Football, he has slowed down a lot, while, he still can be damaging, he doesn't do it nearly enough, and all of the above players still have 5+ years in the game. And really, he shouldn't even be in there, but it really shows where our club is at. We should have 10 better players than Koutoufides, but we really dont.

[gandaal]

God you hope that guys like Bentick, Walker, Simpson, Murphy will be in the top 10 at the end of next year.

Here's an irony for you. I responding to this post in 2005 and said that I'd just be happy if they're in our starting 18.

Ironically enough they all made it into my top 10 :D

[deluxeman]

Here's an irony for you. I responding to this post in 2005 and said that I'd just be happy if they're in our starting 18.

Ironically enough they all made it into my top 10 :D

3 of the 4 also made my top 10. :thumbsu:
Bentick was unlucky to miss out but I just felt that despite being consistent throughout the year he didn't show just enough. Would definitely still make my Top 15.

In no particular order:
Fevola
Whitnall
Stevens
Scotland
Murphy
Walker
Simpson
Thornton
Waite
Ackland (based on past performances and the fact that our ruck stocks are below average)

[Muji]

Hmmm.. huge difference looking at last years top ten compared to this years!! We have enough depth to oust Ackland out of there! lol

I'm basing it on current form, last years form, ability and importance to the team.

My 2008 top 10:
1. Chris Judd
2. Marc Murphy
3. Brendon Fevola
4. Jarrad Waite
5. Nick Stevens
6. Bryce Gibbs
7. Andrew Carazzo
8. Kade Simpson
9. Bret Thornton
10. Brad Fisher

[big_sav]

Hmmm.. huge difference looking at last years top ten compared to this years!! We have enough depth to oust Ackland out of there! lol

I'm basing it on current form, last years form, ability and importance to the team.

My 2008 top 10:
1. Chris Judd
2. Marc Murphy
3. Brendon Fevola
4. Jarrad Waite
5. Nick Stevens
6. Bryce Gibbs
7. Andrew Carazzo
8. Kade Simpson
9. Bret Thornton
10. Brad Fisher

i think gibbs is a bit high

my top 10:
1. Judd
2. Waite
3. Fevola
4. Murphy
5. Stevens
6. Thornton
7. Fisher
8. Walker
9. Carazzo
10. Simpson

[[ToTTi]]

Judd
Murphy
Fevola
Fisher
Waite
Stevens
Thornton
Simpson
Scotland
Walker

[Muji]

I was gonna include Walker but thought due to his injury wouldn't really have much effect this year so decided not to include him. If he was playing though he'd easily make my 10.

[[ToTTi]]

I was gonna include Walker but thought due to his injury wouldn't really have much effect this year so decided not to include him. If he was playing though he'd easily make my 10.

In that case I'll take out Walker and include Houlihan. (AS A HFF :D )

[thylacine60]

Easy!:p

1. Andrew Walker
2. Lachlan Hansen
3. Marc Murphy
4. Jordan Russell
5. Matthew Leuenberger
6. Luke Blackwell
7. Andrew Carrazzo
8. Adam Hartlett
9. Adam Bentick
10. Josh Kennedy

11. Sam Sheldon
12. Aisake O'Hailpin
13. Paul Bower
14. Eddie Betts
15. Chris Judd :cool:

Fair call 2 years before it happened. Hats off :thumbsu:.

[Frrost11]

1. Judd (well he's judd, the freakiest of all freaks, GOD of football)
2. Carrazzo (25 disposals every game, gotta love his vision and movement)
3. Simpson (would hav been captain if no judd, love him)
4. Stevens (Bradley the second)
5. Murph (yr to fire!)
6. Thornton ( 1 of 2 holding backline 2gether, or at least trying to!)
7. Waite ( " " ")
8. Fev (poor form all year! getting great supply, had avg of 7 marks in front of goal in previous weeks, avg of 2 goals!)
9. Scotland (Collingwood are jst silly, shaw and scotland coming off the HB flanks would hav given geelong a run for their money!)
10. Walker (if he wasnt injured, he's a gun!)

Gibbs, bentick, fisher, kreuser....may see sum more up in the top 10 in the years to cum but havent seen enough to get the honours of top10.

[Carlton.No.1]

For this year

1. Judd
2. Waite
3. Fevola
4. Stevens
5. Scotland
6. Fisher
7. Thornton
8. Murphy
9. Bentick
10. Carrazzo

[marcmurphy3]

1. C.Judd
2. J.Waite
3. N.Stevens
4. B.Fevola
5. M.Murphy
6. H.Scotland
7. B.Fisher
8. A.Walker
9. K.Simpson
10. B.Thornton

Unlucky: B.Gibbs, Carrots

[Jezza U Beauty]

Judd
Waite
Fev
Murph
Scotland
Houli
Thornton
Stevo
Gibbs
Walker

Sorry - Simmo, Fish.

[Banga19]

1. Judd
2. Stevens
3. Fevola
4. Murphy
5. Waite
6. Walker
7. Fisher
8. Carrazzo
9. Scotland
10.Simpson

Houlihan, Thornton unlucky.

Gibbs will be in there by round 6, top 5 by round 15

[a1118374]

juddy
fevola
waite
murphy
carazzo
fisher
scotland
CLOKE
walker
simpson

[NWTYRX]

Right now, not in order

1. Murph
2. Judd
3. Gibbs
4. Fisher
5. Cloke
6. Fevola
7. Waite
8. Simpson
9. Thornton
10. Scotland

[gandaal]

1. Brendan Fevola
2. Lance Whitnall
3. Nick Stevens
4. Heath Scotland
5. Kade Simpson
6. Marc Murphy
7. Bret Thornton
8. Andrew Walker
9. Ryan Houlihan
10. Adam Bentick

The last three wouldn't be in the top 10 of any other club in the AFL.

1. Chris Judd
2. Marc Murphy
3. Nick Stevens
4. Brendan Fevola
5. Heath Scotland
6. Brad Fisher
7. Jarrad Waite
8. Kade Simpson
9. Andrew Carrazzo
10. Bret Thornton


Out: Lance Whitnall, Andrew Walker, Ryan Houlihan, Adam Bentick
In: Chris Judd, Brad Fisher, Jarrad Waite, Andrew Carrazzo

[BlueWorld]

The last three wouldn't be in the top 10 of any other club in the AFL.Would Carrazzo?

[WeninRome]

Easy!:p

1. Andrew Walker
2. Lachlan Hansen
3. Marc Murphy
4. Jordan Russell
5. Matthew Leuenberger
6. Luke Blackwell
7. Andrew Carrazzo
8. Adam Hartlett
9. Adam Bentick
10. Josh Kennedy

11. Sam Sheldon
12. Aisake O'Hailpin
13. Paul Bower
14. Eddie Betts
15. Chris Judd :cool:


hahah check this out!

[thylacine60]

hahah check this out!

Yeah, been there.

[Gilly1972]

We need somebody expendable in our top 5 so we can farm them off to the expansion club ;)

[gandaal]

Would Carrazzo?

Yes.

[Blue Bawls]

1. Chris Judd
2. Marc Murphy
3. Matthew Kreuzer
4. Jarrad Waite
5. Bendon Fevola
6. Brett Thornton
7. Ryan Houlihan
8. Bryce Gibbs
9. Eddie Betts
10. Setanta O'hAilpin

[Magnificence]

1. C Judd
2. B Fevola
3. N Stevens
4. H Scotland
5. J Waite
6. T-Bird
7. M Murphy
8. Hoops
9. Simpson
10.A Walker

[BlueWorld]

Yes.That's why Geelong got rid of him.;)

[gandaal]

That's why Geelong got rid of him.;)

And one has what to do with the other?

[BlueWorld]

And one has what to do with the other?Wouldn't make Geelong's top 22 or too many other sides.

[HBF]

1. Chris Judd
2. Brendon Fevola
3. Nick Stevens
4. Kade Simpson
5. Jarrad Waite

6. Marc Murphy
7. Brad Fisher
8. Bret Thornton
9. Heath Scotland
10. Ryan Houlihan

[gandaal]

Wouldn't make Geelong's top 22 or too many other sides.

That's nice. Stupid but nice.

He probably wouldn't make Geelong's Best 22 every single week based on his current form slump, but that wasn't what you asked was it?

He'd be in the top 10 players for Richmond and Melbourne easily. He'd be a fair chance for Essendon or North as well.

[nsj91]

1. Chris Judd
2. Brendon Fevola
3. Nick Stevens
4. Kade Simpson
5. Marc Murphy
6. Jarrad Waite
7. Andrew Walker
8. Heath Scotland
9. Andrew Carrazzo
10. Ryan Houlihan

[Mentallo]

For all the shit Houlihan cops i amazed to see him in so many top 10's.
Rightfully so i might add as well.