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They should grow up and behave. Sing when your winning, abuse when your not. Really pathetic.
They should learn to behave themselves, because, really, instead of making the Aussie grounds a cauldron they are just giving Aussies a bad name :thumbsd:
A bit of banter is fine but they take it too far too often :thumbsd:
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
21 Dec 2005, 02:06
Mate, really, settle down.
It was only a small portion of the ground.
Don't get me fired up about the English crowds and the English public because you guys are no angels.
Really, it was probably just a bit of drunk yobbos at fine leg.
It is un-acceptable.
And yes i agree, with the recent events taking place at Cronulla beach it doesn't portray Australia in a good light.
But we must remember it is only a small portion of the crowd.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
21 Dec 2005, 02:08
Also, South African crowds are no better, in fact, IMO they are the worst of the lot.
Especially, when Australia tours mainly due to the fact we have beaten them in big games and as such i sense South Africa have a big hatred towards Australia in the sporting arena.
Well being appart of the drunken idiots at fine leg on the day I heard nothing racist directed towards any south african player. Although lots of red head jokes towards pollock which seemed to get under his skin. Also Ntini seemed to be a crowd favourite so it must have been a small section.
Also, South African crowds are no better, in fact, IMO they are the worst of the lot.
Especially, when Australia tours mainly due to the fact we have beaten them in big games and as such i sense South Africa have a big hatred towards Australia in the sporting arena.
I preferered your old signature mate :( Can you think of another Edward wind up?
What time is it in Queensland? Sleep?
dan warna
21 Dec 2005, 05:36
Aus crowds>Kiwi crowds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>racist scum english crowds.
Gotta wonder what racist comments were made to Pollock - calling him a "ginga" isn't racist.
In all reality, there is little likelihood of getting 100% of the crowds to behave. There's always going to be people with a gut full of grog, bored by what they perceive to be slow play who look to geeing up the players as a source of amusement. Most of the time that is not only acceptable but should be encouraged. However, when it moves from singing "you fat bastard" to having a crack at someone's race or religion, then it becomes unacceptable. The problem is that you are largely relying on the crowd to know where to draw the line - which is a problem when they can barely see straight, let alone draw anything.
Right response by CA but in the end crowd behaviour is not a problem that will ever be 100% eradicated either here or in any other cricket playing nation.
dan warna
21 Dec 2005, 06:44
Imagine what poor Cammy Ling has to put up with....
FFS slagging off blood nuts is a national pass time with australia.
Me I wouldn't turn Nicole Kidman out of bed if she fa.rted.
Me I wouldn't turn Nicole Kidman out of bed if she fa.rted.
You know what they say though - red roof, dirty garage.
Baby Blue
21 Dec 2005, 08:28
Australian crowds are generally very good, normally if an idiot wants to start shouting abuse that steps over the line he will be howled down by the rest of the crowd and made to look like an idiot.
ManWithNoName
21 Dec 2005, 08:33
Ntini looked to be smiling and laughing down at fine leg, so this is unexpected. People call Bay 13 a pack of idiots, but they rarely if ever get racist.
crownie
21 Dec 2005, 11:12
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ausvrsa/content/story/230331.html
They should grow up and behave. Sing when your winning, abuse when your not. Really pathetic.
They should learn to behave themselves, because, really, instead of making the Aussie grounds a cauldron they are just giving Aussies a bad name :thumbsd:
A bit of banter is fine but they take it too far too often :thumbsd:
thats a bit rich a pom telling the aussies how to behave at sporting games.
wanna tell us about the England vs Tunsia world cup game?
Cooldude
21 Dec 2005, 11:15
Talk about pot kettle black, Pommys criticising other nations for poor crowd behaviour :D
funkyfreo
21 Dec 2005, 11:19
Unless it was just to Ntini, how can you be racist to a Saffie? Is targetting a country of origin Racism? I'm only worried about targetting for racial differences, not just country v country sports banter.
No one ever cries racist when aussies lay into the Poms?
Dan, how are english cricket crowds "racist scum"???
celtic_pride
21 Dec 2005, 11:23
Sadly it's part of the culture ...
apollo_creed
21 Dec 2005, 11:26
People stop this obsession with England.
I love to way LtD turns every thread into something about England.
Dude seek couch time it's an obsession of yours thats gone on long enough. Is it possible for you to post in a thread not about England and actually not bring England into it?
They have the Ashes, Australia don't.
End of story.
Resume this boring crap next summer.
Adelaide Hawk
21 Dec 2005, 11:35
I just got back from Perth where I attended the Test Match. While I was at the WACA I spent my time walking around the ground to view the match from varying angles and points of vantage. In 5 days I never heard one racist comment, so if there was any racist comments passed they would have been isolated and very much offered by a few narrow minded idiots.
If anything, the crowd was rather generous in their treatment of Ntini, offering him lots of encouragement after his 4th and 5th wickets in the 1st Innings.
I think it's time that touring countries to Australia begin to realise that if they are subject to taunts of a racists manner at all, then the Aussie players have been copping it from other countries for years. I'm not saying it's acceptable, but I just wish the finger wasn't just pointed at Australia all the time when we have seen very poor examples from other countries' supporters, especially of late.
My advice to South Africans, or English, or New Zealand, or any other country would be to stop offering excuses for your poor performances in Australia, and take a good look at your own appalling crowd behaviour before pointing accusing fingers at others.
MUFC442
21 Dec 2005, 11:43
English football crowds arn't racist.
English football crowds arn't racist.
http://www.blink.org.uk/print.asp?key=5878
This article says otherwise.
However, I concede that English football has made huge strides towards eradicating mass chanting of racist comments. Still not exactly perfect though.
apollo_creed
21 Dec 2005, 12:30
http://www.blink.org.uk/print.asp?key=5878
This article says otherwise.
However, I concede that English football has made huge strides towards eradicating mass chanting of racist comments. Still not exactly perfect though.
Nah.
Racism in English football is virtually non-existent and these days very rare.
Punt_Road_Roar
21 Dec 2005, 12:53
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ausvrsa/content/story/230331.html
They should grow up and behave. Sing when your winning, abuse when your not. Really pathetic.
They should learn to behave themselves, because, really, instead of making the Aussie grounds a cauldron they are just giving Aussies a bad name :thumbsd:
A bit of banter is fine but they take it too far too often :thumbsd:
English Soccer Hooligan board !!!
:thumbsd:
Racism / Violence based on ones origin of birth. It's all related and its all disgraceful behaviour.
Just because a small section of the crowd have no brain doesnt mean the rest of the country does it.
Nah.
Racism in English football is virtually non-existent and these days very rare.
Maybe so but are you saying the examples listed didn't happen?
Rough_Edges
21 Dec 2005, 13:02
It's unacceptable but having been to England and watching an international cricket game they are indeed much much worse.
Scum actually.
Maybe so but are you saying the examples listed didn't happen?
And this from Channel 4's website dated 19 November:
Jol slams Hammers fans
Tottenham boss Martin Jol has criticised the racist chants directed at Mido by West Ham supporters. The former Marseille striker, on loan from Roma, netted the opening goal of the game in a 1-1 draw. But Hammers fans subjected him to racial abuse throughout the game. "Was it tasteless? Yes. Our fans gave Teddy Sheringham a marvellous reception on his return and that is the way we deal with things here," said Jol. "It is nonsense. It does not belong in sport and it's a form of racism. I don't think he will be affected by it. He scored a great goal today so he has given them the right answer."
I'm not suggesting it is prevalent but there is obviously still a nasty racist element which is quite likely only perpetuated by a minority - just as it is in Australian sport.
Renegade
21 Dec 2005, 14:03
Culture.
The England obsession continues i see :D
Someone care to elaborate on how the English crowd behaviour during the Ashes was offensive to Aussies. I recall LTD whining about it soon as the series ended he was deeply offended by 'Pommy fans not clapping when Australia played a good shot'.
Aussies, the biggest whingers on the planet.
Bartram_Class
21 Dec 2005, 14:09
Theres hardly racism in English Football, cant say the same about the Spanish and Italian leagues, coudnt believe it when i heard they reduced a guy to tears on the field.
crownie
21 Dec 2005, 14:28
Sadly it's part of the culture ...
no it isnt...its the minority
now it seems if any dark player gets sledged its racism.
and how can poms claim that aussies be racist to them, they should look at their own behavior before getting all sooky.
a paki who plays in our lower sides got racially velified early this season and when word got back to the opposion club they kicked him out of the club straight away.
Jesus Christ.
Hey Aussie? you ********en lost the Ashes, stop bringing up England for Christs sake, this is embarrassing.....cracks are appearing....
crownie
21 Dec 2005, 14:41
Jesus Christ.
Hey Aussie? you ********en lost the Ashes, stop bringing up England for Christs sake, this is embarrassing.....cracks are appearing....
tissue?
this has nothing to do with the ashes, a little earn doesnt dictate what and who we can talk about on other issues.
go and join your paranoid mate Browney in his cave.
Tissue for what?
Im the one laughing at how often you Aussies bring up England.......
Racial abuse is not on. Most of you have said this, then you bring up how England acts worse.....:rolleyes:
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
21 Dec 2005, 14:46
Renegade, you make me laugh.
Nuff Said.
Renegades on the money again, Aussies are so far up their own ass that they cant see whats going on in world cricket.
Heck, they even labelled Michael Clarke the best youngster in world cricket and pumping his tyres up :D
crownie
21 Dec 2005, 14:57
Tissue for what?
Im the one laughing at how often you Aussies bring up England.......
Racial abuse is not on. Most of you have said this, then you bring up how England acts worse.....:rolleyes:
you only see what you want to see,
a pom started this thread and it was stated their the last people who should be complaing about other fans behaviours.
A "fair" Pom, if you read any of Rob B's posts he seems like a good dude and never really bags out the Aussies...
It was fair play, he didnt bag the you guys, he just commented on what happenend and what he thinks about it, then it turns into "England are more racist blah blah blah"
England crowds are the best in world cricket, IMO.
crownie
21 Dec 2005, 15:13
A "fair" Pom, if you read any of Rob B's posts he seems like a good dude and never really bags out the Aussies...
It was fair play, he didnt bag the you guys, he just commented on what happenend and what he thinks about it, then it turns into "England are more racist blah blah blah"
England crowds are the best in world cricket, IMO.
i know his a "fair" pom.
the whole thread was fair play and never turned into a "England are more racist blah blah blah" only the usual few decided to try and make a mountain out of a molehill making it out like that.
Read again.
Count how many times a post includes England please.
crownie
21 Dec 2005, 15:22
Read again.
Count how many times a post includes England please.
browney???
crazy_big_al
21 Dec 2005, 15:31
only a small part of the crowd
ThePope
21 Dec 2005, 17:17
Getting back on topic and ignoring the pots/kettles arguments... I found this most interesting from the story
"WACA security personnel were briefed about specific insults which might not be familiar to Australians but which are offensive to visiting players, and have been instructed to take swift action against any offenders. "
???? So if the insults were not familiar to Australians, but offensive to South Africans... who was doing the insulting - Kiwis, Poms and Namibians???
Is this things like the word "Paki", which I see was used above in the same non-intentionally-insulting manner as "Kiwi" or "Aussie" (or "Pom"!) would be used, but from my time on rec.sport.cricket, I know that a lot of Pakistanis do find being called a "Paki" insulting.
Could the insults have been "yarpie" (japie), or more likely "kaffir" - for those that don't know "yarpie" means an Afrikaaner, and AFAIK isn't derogatory, "kaffir" is probably closer to "************"- and very derogatory - but do most Australians know the meanings?
I was at the ground on Saturday and didn't notice any sledging (but the Aussies were fielding for most of the day). The drunk corner in front of the Inverarity Stand were more concerned with ensuring that there toy kangaroo (a plush one, not a blowup one) got returned after each lap of being thrown around the entire ground!
ben.carbonaro
21 Dec 2005, 17:19
Also, South African crowds are no better, in fact, IMO they are the worst of the lot.
Especially, when Australia tours mainly due to the fact we have beaten them in big games and as such i sense South Africa have a big hatred towards Australia in the sporting arena.
I think an indication of this was how they taunted one M.G Hughes and S.K Warne at the Bullring when Australia torued there back in 1993/94.
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
21 Dec 2005, 17:22
Yes Ben.C
On the last tour Steve Waugh had to file a witness statment about some guy who was arrested for spitting at him i believe.
Racial taunts or spitting? LMAO
ben.carbonaro
21 Dec 2005, 17:54
That was one incident, it was a mixture of both the Australian team were subjected to.
there just havin a bit of fun. thats wat the cricket is about havin fun and supportin the best team in the world, australia!
i go to the cricket every year in melbourne and all just a bit of fun
skywalk750
21 Dec 2005, 20:03
Theres no place for racism in sport.
Barry Schneider
22 Dec 2005, 07:36
Getting back on topic and ignoring the pots/kettles arguments... I found this most interesting from the story
"WACA security personnel were briefed about specific insults which might not be familiar to Australians but which are offensive to visiting players, and have been instructed to take swift action against any offenders. "
???? So if the insults were not familiar to Australians, but offensive to South Africans... who was doing the insulting - Kiwis, Poms and Namibians???
Is this things like the word "Paki", which I see was used above in the same non-intentionally-insulting manner as "Kiwi" or "Aussie" (or "Pom"!) would be used, but from my time on rec.sport.cricket, I know that a lot of Pakistanis do find being called a "Paki" insulting.
Could the insults have been "yarpie" (japie), or more likely "kaffir" - for those that don't know "yarpie" means an Afrikaaner, and AFAIK isn't derogatory, "kaffir" is probably closer to "************"- and very derogatory - but do most Australians know the meanings?
I was at the ground on Saturday and didn't notice any sledging (but the Aussies were fielding for most of the day). The drunk corner in front of the Inverarity Stand were more concerned with ensuring that there toy kangaroo (a plush one, not a blowup one) got returned after each lap of being thrown around the entire ground!
The Australian reported the insults as "kaffir" to the coloured/black players and "kaffir boeties" (kaffir brothers) to the white players.
I really would like to know who said this crap as I have never heard kaffir boeties before and I suspect most Aussies wouldn't have either.The SA's are adamant that it was Australians who said it.Has Afrikaaner become part of the local vernacular in Perth or is it possible the people saying that racist bile were in fact ex pat South Africans.
peternorth
22 Dec 2005, 07:54
The Australian reported the insults as "kaffir" to the coloured/black players and "kaffir boeties" (kaffir brothers) to the white players.
I really would like to know who said this crap as I have never heard kaffir boeties before and I suspect most Aussies wouldn't have either.The SA's are adamant that it was Australians who said it.Has Afrikaaner become part of the local vernacular in Perth or is it possible the people saying that racist bile were in fact ex pat South Africans.
Agreed, rumour has it that it was ex pat SAs who said those words. Having said that, with the large ex pat SA contingent over there it wouldnt surprise me if Aussies were exposed or have heard such vile terms. I knew a SA and thus knew about the word(s).
Gee, the English have learned how to make the Ashes into an attack and a defence in just six months. That is an effort.
Blue Boyz
22 Dec 2005, 10:58
The Australian reported the insults as "kaffir" to the coloured/black players and "kaffir boeties" (kaffir brothers) to the white players.
I really would like to know who said this crap as I have never heard kaffir boeties before and I suspect most Aussies wouldn't have either.The SA's are adamant that it was Australians who said it.Has Afrikaaner become part of the local vernacular in Perth or is it possible the people saying that racist bile were in fact ex pat South Africans.
I think you might be on the money here BS and while I would be first to agree that there is a pervasive element of racism in Australian society, these comments seem too cultural specfic to be Australian and they sound more likely to be from South Africa expats or at the very least inspired by them.
docker_azza
22 Dec 2005, 11:02
Good chance that these racial insutls would have scome from South African ex-pats rather than Aussie Aussies because Aussies would have not understood the Kaffir remarks and the 'token token' taunts given to Prince because of his colour.
otis_david
22 Dec 2005, 11:14
Lots of Australian's know the word cuffer, sugggesting that it would have been South African expats is a cop out. The fact is that racism is part of the Australian culture maybe not for all but for a larger percentage than most would like to believe.
Barry Schneider
22 Dec 2005, 11:20
Lots of Australian's know the word cuffer, sugggesting that it would have been South African expats is a cop out. The fact is that racism is part of the Australian culture maybe not for all but for a larger percentage than most would like to believe.
I said most Australians wouldn't have heard the phrase kaffir boeties before.
Most would have heard the word kaffir.
Kane McGoodwin
22 Dec 2005, 11:34
Theres no place for racism in sport.
True ... & there is no place for racism full-stop.
The Majestic
22 Dec 2005, 16:34
Lots of Australian's know the word cuffer, sugggesting that it would have been South African expats is a cop out. The fact is that racism is part of the Australian culture maybe not for all but for a larger percentage than most would like to believe.
It's not just Australia, there's racism in every country, whether it's "culture" or not there's still no room for it. There's always going to be a small minority at every sports event that is going to be moronic, abusive and offensive, that's the worst part about many sports.
Whoever it was that made the comments should be ashamed of themselves, and realise that small minority of the crowd brought the rest of the crowd down by making stupid, racist comments.
docker_azza
22 Dec 2005, 19:06
Lots of Australian's know the word cuffer, sugggesting that it would have been South African expats is a cop out. The fact is that racism is part of the Australian culture maybe not for all but for a larger percentage than most would like to believe.
I dont know about that one thats sounds naive. I have heard that ABC News reported that the taunts were in Afrikaans and as a result the culprits weren't evicted. If true it's not a cop out suggestion.
Racism is as a part of Australian culture as it is in many other nations cultures. Its common in a number of nations and at any country's sporting events.
Having said that I do not condone racial taunts in any way shape or form and it is disgusting for people at sporting events or anywhere in that matter to resort to that abuse.
Funny to see that the coppers were more focussed on getting rid of beach balls than anything else...
docker_azza
23 Dec 2005, 15:39
Funny to see that the coppers were more focussed on getting rid of beach balls than anything else...
LOL no doubt they were. Especially on the Saturday when I was there.
Friday they got rid of about ten before they gave up.