Meanwhile in the nice part of Adelaide

[Ford Fairlane]

As reported in Adelaide Confidential, Port Adelaide's leadership group have a wholesome, family friendly get together to celebrate Christmas ... that Rebekah Devlin does seem a fine person ;)

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5090033,00.jpg

Port focuses on family festivities

24dec05

PITY they didn't have their pre-season moustache growing comp again this year . . . then they would really have looked the part.

Port Adelaide players Darryl Wakelin, Brendon Lade, Warren Tredrea and Chad and Kane Cornes took time out from their semi-regular leadership coffee catch-ups to wish members and supporters a Merry Christmas.

Down at Glenelg, the fellas were not only looking forward to Christmas but a welcome break from training.

Aside from a video camera (so he can film his newborn daughter Amelie's progress in life) Darryl wants a new set of legs for Christmas: "I need them after pre-season training," he laughs.

Darryl's twin Shane is coming over from Melbourne for Christmas, and bringing wife Ligita and their newborn son Tom - born a week before Amelie.

There won't be much rest for the extended Cornes family, either.

Kane is marrying his high school sweetheart Lucy Gross on New Year's Eve and many of his extended family are coming to Adelaide early to celebrate Christmas.

[portentous]

Do you reckon that one of them (probably Ladey) has cracked a gag about taking out the photographer before that pic was taken?? :)

[Ford Fairlane]

Do you reckon that one of them (probably Ladey) has cracked a gag about taking out the photographer before that pic was taken?? :)

Looks like Ladey thinks the bad t shirt competition is still running! :p

It wouldn't have been Kane - this is the time of year you have to be really serious about your football ... after all it's a day ending in "y" ... ;)

[*PAF]

If only them ferals down the road would look at our fine upstanding young citizens and learn something. :)

[MrMeaner]

I'm only disappointed it wasn't on page 1.

[Magpiespower]

:D

Who would have thought that The Advertiser would one day turn on their beloved Crows?

I find it hilarious that Crows supporters blame the photographer for what happened.

And not the drunk nimrod.

Still, Devlin is a hack.

[finbarr]

:D

Who would have thought that The Advertiser would one day turn on their beloved Crows?

I find it hilarious that Crows supporters blame the photographer for what happened.

And not the drunk nimrod.

Still, Devlin is a hack.

It's all part of that Australian pastime known as "blaming the victim".

[Powerstufff]

Who would have thought that The Advertiser would one day turn on their beloved Crows?....Surprising I agree. But the shameful set-up of Goodwin and the way out of proportion front page could so easily have happened to us.
Every day in every way I'm glad I buy 'The Australian'. If only Murdoch didn't benefit there too.

[RogerRabbit69]

:D

Who would have thought that The Advertiser would one day turn on their beloved Crows?
The editor doesn't comprehend the potential commercial impact of his decision to ramp up the Goodwin stuff. From what I hear, he's a total d.ck and has no understanding of the power of Aussie Rules in SA. He's a Pom/Kiwi mix. Need we say more. The most unpopular - and unsuccessful - editor in the recent history of the Advertiser, and that's saying something.

[/QUOTE] Still, Devlin is a hack.[/QUOTE]
That's a generous way to put it. I can think of a few other four-letter terms that would be even more fitting. She's probably hauled her hefty ar..se down to the Paradise Community Church first thing this morning to pray for forgiveness. Stupid b.tch.

[Count Zero]

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5090033,00.jpg
It's an amazing coincidence that they are all holding their coffee so that the name of the coffee shop is visible. What are the odds of that? :)

[Toots Hibbert]

As reported in Adelaide Confidential, Port Adelaide's leadership group have a wholesome, family friendly get together to celebrate Christmas ... that Rebekah Devlin does seem a fine person ;)

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,5090033,00.jpg

Port focuses on family festivities

24dec05

PITY they didn't have their pre-season moustache growing comp again this year . . . then they would really have looked the part.

Port Adelaide players Darryl Wakelin, Brendon Lade, Warren Tredrea and Chad and Kane Cornes took time out from their semi-regular leadership coffee catch-ups to wish members and supporters a Merry Christmas.

Down at Glenelg, the fellas were not only looking forward to Christmas but a welcome break from training.

Aside from a video camera (so he can film his newborn daughter Amelie's progress in life) Darryl wants a new set of legs for Christmas: "I need them after pre-season training," he laughs.

Darryl's twin Shane is coming over from Melbourne for Christmas, and bringing wife Ligita and their newborn son Tom - born a week before Amelie.

There won't be much rest for the extended Cornes family, either.

Kane is marrying his high school sweetheart Lucy Gross on New Year's Eve and many of his extended family are coming to Adelaide early to celebrate Christmas.
The Advertiser must surely be trying to sh*t stir the Crows with this effort. It's just too much of a coincidence that such a nice photo and accompanying puff piece appear the day after the bad publicity they gave the Crows.

It looks like Choco's charm offensive has won over the Tiser. :D

[RogerRabbit69]

It's just too much of a coincidence that such a nice photo and accompanying puff piece appear the day after the bad publicity they gave the Crows.
It's also quite a coincidence there's only one Goodwin reference in the entire paper today ... yet I heard the Advertiser were at one stage planning to go in hard again and run another 2-3 pages of propaganda.
I bet you senior (and I mean senior) management told that p.ss weak editor to back off a bit. Losing the Crows could have a serious commercial impact on the paper

[Paralowiepower]

Losing the Crows could have a serious commercial impact on the paper

:D :p ,Post of the year?

Are these people really that stupid?

[Powerstufff]

...Are these people really that stupid?Possibly, or just full of rat cunning.
It depends where the senior staff come from in the Murdoch empire. I'm betting from 'The Sun' or similar in England. There it is quite common to set people up and manipulate the whole reporting process with false outrage. This may be a deliberate change in the way 'The Advertiser' will be prepared.

[Paralowiepower]

Possibly, or just full of rat cunning.
It depends where the senior staff come from in the Murdoch empire. I'm betting from 'The Sun' or similar in England. There it is quite common to set people up and manipulate the whole reporting process with false outrage. This may be a deliberate change in the way 'The Advertiser' will be prepared.

I ment the crow supporters :p

[RogerRabbit69]

I ment the crow supporters :p
Obviously you've got an intricate understanding of the workings of the media in SA.

Like it or not, the reality is that the Crows have a huge supporter base.
Check out the record circulation days for the Advertiser and Sunday Mail. Three of the highest-selling papers ever were when the Crows and Power won their respective premierships. The Crows also are backed by some of the biggest-spending advertisers in the paper.
If it develops into an all-out war between the paper and the Crows, the Crows won't be the only ones who will suffer.
Last thing I heard, the AFC has pretty much black-balled the Advertiser. That extends across a lot of levels, too. The players won't be talking to reporters, nor will administrators. And you can bet that Goodwin's management will be suggesting to other sportspeople they have on their books to give the paper a wide berth.

It's all good news for Port fans, I guess. But I think the paper could pay a fairly heavy price for their treatment of the Goodwin stuff, at least in the short term.

By the way, the correct spelling is 'meant'.

[dreamkillers]

Obviously you've got an intricate understanding of the workings of the media in SA.

Probably about the same level of your understanding of the obligations clubs have imposed on them by the AFL and dealing with the media.

Like it or not, the reality is that the Crows have a huge supporter base.

Who would have guessed........

Check out the record circulation days for the Advertiser and Sunday Mail. Three of the highest-selling papers ever were when the Crows and Power won their respective premierships. The Crows also are backed by some of the biggest-spending advertisers in the paper.

And that's all chicken feed compared to the amount of papers and money Rupert spends on the AFL through News Ltd and Fox Sports related companies.........
something Andrew D and the AFL commission are quite aware of.

If it develops into an all-out war between the paper and the Crows, the Crows won't be the only ones who will suffer.

It won't happen as Adelaide will have to meet their media commitments unless they want to have an even bigger dispute with the AFL itself.

Last thing I heard, the AFC has pretty much black-balled the Advertiser. That extends across a lot of levels, too. The players won't be talking to reporters, nor will administrators. And you can bet that Goodwin's management will be suggesting to other sportspeople they have on their books to give the paper a wide berth.

Good for them but it will have very minimal impact given the club have to meet media commitments imposed on them by the AFL. If anything all this will do is just lessen the 'fluffy and nice' stories as News Ltd will run any story they deem newsworthy and that includes trash.

It's all good news for Port fans, I guess. But I think the paper could pay a fairly heavy price for their treatment of the Goodwin stuff, at least in the short term.

If anything it could even result in more sales depending on how much publicity the club want to give it.........more than likely like most things it will die a natural death.

By the way, the correct spelling is 'meant'.

yawn......

[Powerstufff]

.....It's all good news for Port fans, I guess.......I don't believe so. It could so easily have been one of our players first provoked and then slandered. The Advertiser should suffer for this. Fans of both SA clubs should boycott the rag until it unreservedly apologises for the Goodwin incident.

[RogerRabbit69]

Probably about the same level of your understanding of the obligations clubs have imposed on them by the AFL and dealing with the media.

I've got a reasonably good understanding of the obligations of AFL clubs in regards to the media.

If you think AFL clubs are obliged to abide by all media requests, you've been misinformed.

They are required to offer players for various press conferences. But they are not obliged to talk to the media outside of those formal arrangements.
For example, if the Advertiser rings during the week and says it would like one of its reporters to speak to a particular player, the club is totally within its rights to deny that request. There also is no obligation for players to speak to reporters in the rooms after the match - or under any other circumstance.

If the Crows want to dig their heels in, the Advertiser won't be able to quote Adelaide players other than what they've said at press conferences (and already would have been relayed by all the radio and TV stations most time).

If you don't believe me, ring up Hitaf Rasheed at the Power. Everyone's in the same boat.

I know at least one major client of the Advertiser, who's also a strong Crows supporter, who has pulled their regular advertisement in the paper as a result of the Goodwin coverage. I'm told it's worth upwards of $100,000 per year. Agreed, that's not significant in the overall context of News Ltd, but significant enough as far as the Advertiser is concerned.

[RogerRabbit69]

I don't believe so. It could so easily have been one of our players first provoked and then slandered. The Advertiser should suffer for this. Fans of both SA clubs should boycott the rag until it unreservedly apologises for the Goodwin incident.
Glad at least one Port fan agrees with me.:thumbsu:

[dreamkillers]

I've got a reasonably good understanding of the obligations of AFL clubs in regards to the media.
It hasn't shone through yet...........

If you think AFL clubs are obliged to abide by all media requests, you've been misinformed.
Did I ever use the word ALL........

They are required to offer players for various press conferences. But they are not obliged to talk to the media outside of those formal arrangements.
Which generally covers every day of the week.

For example, if the Advertiser rings during the week and says it would like one of its reporters to speak to a particular player, the club is totally within its rights to deny that request. There also is no obligation for players to speak to reporters in the rooms after the match - or under any other circumstance.
The only loser there is the club as it just means comments can be even more skewed to meet whatever angle they want and just cos a player/club doesn't speak to a journalist it doesn't mean they don't get their questions answered.

If the Crows want to dig their heels in, the Advertiser won't be able to quote Adelaide players other than what they've said at press conferences (and already would have been relayed by all the radio and TV stations most time).
Rubbish......if one of your (or our) players says something in the open there is not a thing the club/s and/or player can do about stopping it from being published............

If you don't believe me, ring up Hitaf Rasheed at the Power. Everyone's in the same boat.
See above

I know at least one major client of the Advertiser, who's also a strong Crows supporter, who has pulled their regular advertisement in the paper as a result of the Goodwin coverage. I'm told it's worth upwards of $100,000 per year. Agreed, that's not significant in the overall context of News Ltd, but significant enough as far as the Advertiser is concerned.
$10,000 a month..........chicken feed even for the Advertiser.......

[Paralowiepower]

The crows need the Advertiser more than the Advertiser needs the crows...FACT.

[Mr Magoo]

I've got a reasonably good understanding of the obligations of AFL clubs in regards to the media.

If you think AFL clubs are obliged to abide by all media requests, you've been misinformed.

They are required to offer players for various press conferences. But they are not obliged to talk to the media outside of those formal arrangements.
For example, if the Advertiser rings during the week and says it would like one of its reporters to speak to a particular player, the club is totally within its rights to deny that request. There also is no obligation for players to speak to reporters in the rooms after the match - or under any other circumstance.

If the Crows want to dig their heels in, the Advertiser won't be able to quote Adelaide players other than what they've said at press conferences (and already would have been relayed by all the radio and TV stations most time).

If you don't believe me, ring up Hitaf Rasheed at the Power. Everyone's in the same boat.

I know at least one major client of the Advertiser, who's also a strong Crows supporter, who has pulled their regular advertisement in the paper as a result of the Goodwin coverage. I'm told it's worth upwards of $100,000 per year. Agreed, that's not significant in the overall context of News Ltd, but significant enough as far as the Advertiser is concerned.


I guess then it's lucky that CUB haven't pulled their sponsorship dollars from the AFC just yet then. If you remember that guy from richmond this year cost them a major sponsor re-drink driving?

So some strong supporter has apparently withdrawn their regular advertisments from the paper all i can say is unless you actually name the client i call b/s. As i know a few businness people and their is no way in hell that they would pull their advertising for what was written in the papers especially since it doesn't actually concern their actual businness.

[Porthos]

Adelaide Kill-Yous vs Adelaide Advertiser

The Kill-Yous
PROS
* Some AFC fans who realise that the Crows are angry with the Advertiser may stop buying it.
* The media is big and they can still command enough TV and radio exposure that missing out on the paper isn't a problem.

CONS
* Their sponsors may be unhappy at having their logos not appearing in the paper a few times every day.
* Country fans might miss out on a bit of coverage
* Proportionally increased newspaper coverage for Port


The Advertiser
PROS
* They can still take photos at training or anywhere else.
* They can still write whatever they want as speculation and gossip.
* They can import interviews from other News Ltd affiliates.
* They can still go to press conferences.
* They don't have to kick extra money to a given player for about 5 minutes of interview.

CONS
* Some AFC fans may not buy The Advertiser until they forget why the AFC is angry.


WINNER: The Advertiser by a nose.

[noddy]

$10,000 a month..........chicken feed even for the Advertiser.......

Might be chicken feed for the Tiser ( but even Murdoch might cringe at losing $10,000 ) but not to me or in fact probably not to any AFL club that is struggling for $ to make ends meet .

[RogerRabbit69]

It hasn't shone through yet...........


Did I ever use the word ALL........


Which generally covers every day of the week.


The only loser there is the club as it just means comments can be even more skewed to meet whatever angle they want and just cos a player/club doesn't speak to a journalist it doesn't mean they don't get their questions answered.


Rubbish......if one of your (or our) players says something in the open there is not a thing the club/s and/or player can do about stopping it from being published............


See above


$10,000 a month..........chicken feed even for the Advertiser.......
Fair enough, you've made plenty of good points.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I don't for a second think the Advertiser should have ignored the incident. But I do think they could have handled it better, perhaps not caused as much angst at the Crows and avoided making the people at the AFC so totally p.ssed off with the paper.
I'd be interested to know what a few of the local sports media actually think about the whole thing. They've probably got a better perspective on the whole thing that any of us.
Maybe JohnK could be a good start .....
Thanks for the debate.

[noddy]

Adelaide Kill-Yous vs Adelaide Advertiser

The Kill-Yous
PROS
* Some AFC fans who realise that the Crows are angry with the Advertiser may stop buying it.
* The media is big and they can still command enough TV and radio exposure that missing out on the paper isn't a problem.

CONS
* Their sponsors may be unhappy at having their logos not appearing in the paper a few times every day.
* Country fans might miss out on a bit of coverage
* Proportionally increased newspaper coverage for Port


The Advertiser
PROS
* They can still take photos at training or anywhere else.
* They can still write whatever they want as speculation and gossip.
* They can import interviews from other News Ltd affiliates.
* They can still go to press conferences.
* They don't have to kick extra money to a given player for about 5 minutes of interview.

CONS
* Some AFC fans may not buy The Advertiser until they forget why the AFC is angry.


WINNER: The Advertiser by a nose.

No winner in all this Porthos (unless you're a Port supporter)

Anyway this time next month all will be forgotten & then we can get back to reading the Crowtiser at breakfast time once again with any PA worthwhile issues of interest confined to the gossip pages as has been the norm.

[rubberman]

Adelaide Kill-Yous vs Adelaide Advertiser

The Kill-Yous
PROS
* Some AFC fans who realise that the Crows are angry with the Advertiser may stop buying it.
* The media is big and they can still command enough TV and radio exposure that missing out on the paper isn't a problem.

CONS
* Their sponsors may be unhappy at having their logos not appearing in the paper a few times every day.
* Country fans might miss out on a bit of coverage
* Proportionally increased newspaper coverage for Port


The Advertiser
PROS
* They can still take photos at training or anywhere else.
* They can still write whatever they want as speculation and gossip.
* They can import interviews from other News Ltd affiliates.
* They can still go to press conferences.
* They don't have to kick extra money to a given player for about 5 minutes of interview.

CONS
* Some AFC fans may not buy The Advertiser until they forget why the AFC is angry.


WINNER: The Advertiser by a nose.

I just hope that when the liquor licence for the Alma comes up, that Devlin and the photographer, or even any member of the public that witnessed the incident goes along to the hearing, (which any member of the public can do). I hope that they give a full account of what happened to the commision. The commision can decide on whether to grant the liquor licence or leave in limbo like heaven. Sometimes lessons in life can be expensive Mr Goodwin.

[Paralowiepower]

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I don't for a second think the Advertiser should have ignored the incident. But I do think they could have handled it better

Funny how you say the Advertiser could of handled it better, but leave out the Adelaide Crow playing group.

[RogerRabbit69]

Funny how you say the Advertiser could of handled it better, but leave out the Adelaide Crow playing group.
I've actually never defended the Crows players' actions in this incident. They made a very big mistake. It was a huge error of judgment.
I think both parties could have dealt with the situation much, much better.

[RogerRabbit69]

The crows need the Advertiser more than the Advertiser needs the crows...FACT.
It's interesting that you can categorically say that's the case. I, for one, wouldn't know if that's correct. It most probably is - but I don't know how you can know that for sure.

[dreamkillers]

Might be chicken feed for the Tiser ( but even Murdoch might cringe at losing $10,000 ) but not to me or in fact probably not to any AFL club that is struggling for $ to make ends meet .

Ah a normal Noddy dig.............:D

Murdoch would miss it like missing 1 cent from his wallet..........wouldn't have even known it was there in the first place.

[portentous]

I think that Mr Murdoch has far more important things to worry about right now than the "Tisers little gossip columns, even if they are on the front page.

[noddy]

Ah a normal Noddy dig.............:D

Murdoch would miss it like missing 1 cent from his wallet..........wouldn't have even known it was there in the first place.

Always happy to oblige dk. :)

I actually believe that Murdoch would take the unnecessary loss of $10,000 a month as he would a $10,000000 loss.

I know i do go about Confucius & his sayings but heres another one,

A dollar lost is a dollar not gained.

& the more you have the more you want.

[dreamkillers]

Fair enough, you've made plenty of good points.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Sure but I'd love to see you post some valid points from your point of view.......

I don't for a second think the Advertiser should have ignored the incident. But I do think they could have handled it better, perhaps not caused as much angst at the Crows and avoided making the people at the AFC so totally p.ssed off with the paper.

And how would that be............one would hope that the club would be more ********ed off with the players for putting them in that situation in the first place.

Now from the Advertiser side of things step back a little and think about what would be the main aim of their paper each day and how does the Murdoch press (throughout the world) generally take care of that..............

Sales by publicity sounds like the right answer to me and again how does the Murdoch press generally create publicity.............controversy in it's headline which sparks interest and creates extra sales which keep the advertisers happy as it's them that make the real money for the paper.

From a commercial media point of view it looks like the Advertiser have responded like the Muroch press do the world over........create some controversy and sell more papers which means advertising rates in the paper can go up even higher.

Our daily paper in Darwin have it down pat..........they try and get a croc story on the front page once a week as it means sales go up by 20% or more.

I'd be interested to know what a few of the local sports media actually think about the whole thing. They've probably got a better perspective on the whole thing that any of us.

Probably no different to how they have thought the media have handled other non footy incidents in previous years.........this isn't the first time and won't be the last time a player does something stupid with alcohol involved somewhere.

Maybe JohnK could be a good start .....

Be glad to hear his opinion but I doubt he'd be surprised with how the Advertiser responded.

Thanks for the debate.

No problem......feel free to add to the debate at some stage............

[dreamkillers]

WINNER: The Advertiser by a nose.

Is Pinocchio on the front page again........:D

[dreamkillers]

Always happy to oblige dk. :)

I actually believe that Murdoch would take the unnecessary loss of $10,000 a month as he would a $10,000000 loss.

I know i do go about Confucius & his sayings but heres another one,

A dollar lost is a dollar not gained.

& the more you have the more you want.

Well he would be aware of one of those losses but I doubt the other and all Confucius does there is back up Murdoch and the reason News Ltd now lists on the US Stock Exchange.........

[RogerRabbit69]

Sure but I'd love to see you post some valid points from your point of view...........
In my opinion, I feel like I have posted some valid points regarding reader, business and Crows backlash. But you don't agree with them. That's fair enough. I disagree with your stance, you disagree with mine. Never the twain shall meet.


Now from the Advertiser side of things step back a little and think about what would be the main aim of their paper each day and how does the Murdoch press (throughout the world) generally take care of that..............

Sales by publicity sounds like the right answer to me and again how does the Murdoch press generally create publicity.............controversy in it's headline which sparks interest and creates extra sales which keep the advertisers happy as it's them that make the real money for the paper.


From a commercial media point of view it looks like the Advertiser have responded like the Muroch press do the world over........create some controversy and sell more papers which means advertising rates in the paper can go up even higher.

Our daily paper in Darwin have it down pat..........they try and get a croc story on the front page once a week as it means sales go up by 20% or more.

I don't know the dynamics of the NT News, but a 20% fluctuation seems pretty extraordinary. In SA, the Advertiser has become more 'sensational' seemingly every week - yet circulation figures continue to drop. Perhaps that means South Australians are more conservative. I don't know.

Probably no different to how they have thought the media have handled other non footy incidents in previous years.........this isn't the first time and won't be the last time a player does something stupid with alcohol involved somewhere.
Be glad to hear his opinion but I doubt he'd be surprised with how the Advertiser responded.[QUOTE]
He may not be surprised - I'm not surprised by it, either. But he may think it's been poorly handled, like I do. He's the best one to answer those questions, though.


[QUOTE=dreamkillers]No problem......feel free to add to the debate at some stage............
See above ;)

[dreamkillers]

In my opinion, I feel like I have posted some valid points regarding reader, business and Crows backlash. But you don't agree with them. That's fair enough. I disagree with your stance, you disagree with mine. Never the twain shall meet.
I just don't think you have posted more than 2 points besides just having cracks at the Advertiser or saying the cows are going to do this or that (without any proof that they are/have).........

I don't know the dynamics of the NT News, but a 20% fluctuation seems pretty extraordinary. In SA, the Advertiser has become more 'sensational' seemingly every week - yet circulation figures continue to drop. Perhaps that means South Australians are more conservative. I don't know.
It's called knowing 'your' market and the fact there is a high tourist population in the NT who buy papers with such articles..............what were the sales figures like on the day of the article - I'd say a fair chance they were higher due to people wanting to read more about a headline.

The Advertiser has been becoming more 'sensational' since the death of 'The News' a few decades ago..........

He may not be surprised - I'm not surprised by it, either. But he may think it's been poorly handled, like I do. He's the best one to answer those questions, though.
So what if he does it won't change the way the Advertiser handles things........now if The Advertiser was a not-for-profit-community organisation you could have some valid points but in the business world it's the dollars that count.


See above ;)
A start I suppose but you've barely touched on things from the opposite side of the debate.

[RogerRabbit69]

I just don't think you have posted more than 2 points besides just having cracks at the Advertiser or saying the cows are going to do this or that (without any proof that they are/have).........


It's called knowing 'your' market and the fact there is a high tourist population in the NT who buy papers with such articles..............what were the sales figures like on the day of the article - I'd say a fair chance they were higher due to people wanting to read more about a headline.

The Advertiser has been becoming more 'sensational' since the death of 'The News' a few decades ago..........


So what if he does it won't change the way the Advertiser handles things........now if The Advertiser was a not-for-profit-community organisation you could have some valid points but in the business world it's the dollars that count.



A start I suppose but you've barely touched on things from the opposite side of the debate.
We're going around in circles.
I could write another 50 posts and you wouldn't agree with me.
For what it's worth, there's a story in this morning's Advertiser on a Crows rookie (Adrian Bonaddio) without a single quote from the player himself. That's pretty unusual.
Maybe it's a coincidence ... maybe it's not. Only time will tell if the Crows are going to carry out their "threat" to blackball Advertiser journos.

[Toots Hibbert]

It's interesting that you can categorically say that's the case. I, for one, wouldn't know if that's correct. It most probably is - but I don't know how you can know that for sure.
Because 99.99% of Crows supporters who are upset by this coverage will be buying the paper on a regular basis when the footy gets going again. :cool:

[crows98]

Because 99.99% of Crows supporters who are upset by this coverage will be buying the paper on a regular basis when the footy gets going again. :cool:

Bull********, I will never buy that paper again and have stoped reading it on the web. The place I get my Adelaide Crows information now is from Big Footy and the only reliable source I will use is OBJ, if he says it true….well it must be. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Toots Hibbert]

Bull********, I will never buy that paper again and have stoped reading it on the web. The place I get my Adelaide Crows information now is from Big Footy and the only reliable source I will use is OBJ, if he says it true….well it must be. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Just don't know where you are coming from with this. The first bit sounds serious then you undermine it with the second part. If you are saying that you will not buy the paper then you'd be part of the 0.01%. But I'd wait and see if your rage has been maintained up to the football season when your appetite for footy content will require feeding.

[dreamkillers]

We're going around in circles.
I could write another 50 posts and you wouldn't agree with me.
Well I've added further points when replying to your posts but haven't seen you do the same yet...........


For what it's worth, there's a story in this morning's Advertiser on a Crows rookie (Adrian Bonaddio) without a single quote from the player himself. That's pretty unusual.

For what it's worth that article was more than likely written before this all blew up..........and if you've had a look at the articles in the paper since the actual season finished there are plenty without any 'direct player' quotes.........

Maybe it's a coincidence ... maybe it's not. Only time will tell if the Crows are going to carry out their "threat" to blackball Advertiser journos.

You've mentioned this threat a couple of times now but we've yet to see any facts supporting the threat actually being made.

Maybe oneday Adelaide supporters will learn that if they don't want to encourage commercial companies like the Advertiser that they should stop posting about them otherwise you're just encouraging them even more.

[crows98]

Just don't know where you are coming from with this. The first bit sounds serious then you undermine it with the second part. If you are saying that you will not buy the paper then you'd be part of the 0.01%. But I'd wait and see if your rage has been maintained up to the football season when your appetite for footy content will require feeding.


I stoped buying the Advertiser a long time ago, not because the crass and irrelevant articles that they dish out onto the general public or because of the “Rucciissums they include (he is a good reporter and knows his stuff) or suppositively the way they treat the Adelaide Crows Football Club as a monthly financial windfall (to increase sales in a slow month) but because the average reporters could have stoped going to high school in year 9 and the editor in year 10.

The Advertiser writes their articles and simply direct the paper towards the lowest common denominator, in other words they simply aim at a mass market and try to hit enough “simple people” who believe the tripe they dish up. The majority of people whom have completed a high school certificate should understand they simply serve up propaganda and gossip; because all you need to understand that dribble is a reading age of about 12 or 13 years old.

I get my information from the TV news services (simply if someone important has a news conference it must be true). I don’t believe option articles or editorials that could potentially happen but if something important is going to happen then they will have a official press release from the club or hold a press conference.

OBJ is a moron who talks crap and could quite easily be a journalist for that newspaper (term used loosely) because he goes off on his own tangent and will regularly “never let the truth get in the way of a good lie (sic)”

[dreamkillers]

Just don't know where you are coming from with this. The first bit sounds serious then you undermine it with the second part. If you are saying that you will not buy the paper then you'd be part of the 0.01%. But I'd wait and see if your rage has been maintained up to the football season when your appetite for footy content will require feeding.

But they have posted in threads related to the article and paper in question which in a way further spreads the message of the Advertiser and will more than likely encourage someone somewhere to look up the article and make more money for the paper.

I also want to see what would happen say if someone in their immediate family had an article written up about them and their achievements in the said paper............it's a bit silly holding a grudge like threatened when it's only going to hurt themselves anyway.

[RogerRabbit69]

You've mentioned this threat a couple of times now but we've yet to see any facts supporting the threat actually being made.
"Mark Ricciuto also told Advertiser reporter Rebekah Devlin that no Crows players would deal with The Advertiser if the incident was publicised."
This was reported in the Advertiser on Friday and also discussed on radio on Saturday morning.
By the way, where are some facts to support all your claims .....

[dreamkillers]

"Mark Ricciuto also told Advertiser reporter Rebekah Devlin that no Crows players would deal with The Advertiser if the incident was publicised."
This was reported in the Advertiser on Friday and also discussed on radio on Saturday morning.
By the way, where are some facts to support all your claims .....

That quote doesn't make sense unless someone else said it given where you have the quotation marks positioned.

So no there's been nothing official from the club mentioning blackballing The Advertiser........didn't think there would be.

Feel free to question my claims.......not that I've made many.

[crows98]

That quote doesn't make sense unless someone else said it given where you have the quotation marks positioned.

So no there's been nothing official from the club mentioning blackballing The Advertiser........didn't think there would be.

Feel free to question my claims.......not that I've made many.


Mark Ricciuto gave an stupid threat like most of us do in the heat of a situation; as if the AFC would officially come out and say that they have black banded that newspaper. :o

AFC and the Advertiser would just have a crappolla relationship that’s all, no black band (not that they could) or anything ridicules like that.

[RogerRabbit69]

That quote doesn't make sense unless someone else said it given where you have the quotation marks positioned.

So no there's been nothing official from the club mentioning blackballing The Advertiser........didn't think there would be.

Feel free to question my claims.......not that I've made many.
It wasn't a direct quote - it was statement made by the Advertiser in their front-page story on Friday morning.

[Toots Hibbert]

But they have posted in threads related to the article and paper in question which in a way further spreads the message of the Advertiser and will more than likely encourage someone somewhere to look up the article and make more money for the paper.

I also want to see what would happen say if someone in their immediate family had an article written up about them and their achievements in the said paper............it's a bit silly holding a grudge like threatened when it's only going to hurt themselves anyway.
Yes, as Oscar Wilde once said "There's only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about".

There's also talk from some on the Crows board of boycotting 5AA for alleged bias. Apparently the Adelaide media is infested with Port identities or Crows people gone bad. Where can these would be boycotters turn to?

[Toots Hibbert]

Mark Ricciuto gave an stupid threat like most of us do in the heat of a situation; as if the AFC would officially come out and say that they have black banded that newspaper. :o

AFC and the Advertiser would just have a crappolla relationship that’s all, no black band (not that they could) or anything ridicules like that.
Exactly a stupid threat and maybe something that people not used to dealing with the media could be excused for making but not the captain of the AFC who is thoroughly used to dealing with the media, must have had training in the skills necessary for it but still could not control himself and made an awkward situation worse.

[dreamkillers]

Mark Ricciuto gave an stupid threat like most of us do in the heat of a situation; as if the AFC would officially come out and say that they have black banded that newspaper. :o

AFC and the Advertiser would just have a crappolla relationship that’s all, no black band (not that they could) or anything ridicules like that.

Agreed.......there will always be a working relationship between the two parties as it's in both their interests.

[Magpiespower]

The Advertiser has been becoming more 'sensational' since the death of 'The News' a few decades ago

Have had to trawl through the archives recently and it's quite clear that...

The Advertiser of today IS The News of yesteryear.

Sad actually, because the 'Tiser was once a quality broadsheet.

[Powerstufff]

....Sad actually, because the 'Tiser was once a quality broadsheet.It's a matter of record that the Murdoch organisation has for years used the Advertiser as a training ground for junior managers/editors. It is like the corpse that medical students practice on, nothing can further harm it. There were a number of articles on this in the old Adelaide Review.
The only area they do seem to put effort into is sport and that is why I think the current editor has badly miscalculated.

[RogerRabbit69]

It's a matter of record that the Murdoch organisation has for years used the Advertiser as a training ground for junior managers/editors. It is like the corpse that medical students practice on, nothing can further harm it. There were a number of articles on this in the old Adelaide Review.
The only area they do seem to put effort into is sport and that is why I think the current editor has badly miscalculated.
Couldn't agree more.
Sport is an absolute cornerstone of the Advertiser - a look at circulation figures that correspond to significant sporting moments confirms that.
It seems the current editor, Mel Mansell, doesn't quite get it when it comes to sport in SA. He's only been in Adelaide for 5-6 years and apparently has no true appreciation of Aussie Rules, in particular (which probably shouldn't be a surprise seeing he worked in Sydney for a long time and has NZ/UK heritage).
I agree that he got it wrong this time (just like Goodwin).

[Ford Fairlane]

I don't expect the event would have done much damage to either organisation. A few zealots might drop their subscription, the tiser might drop a few fluff pieces for a while. AT the end of the day the crows are very aware of the need for good publicity (we've all heard the stories of the odd ambassador being reminded of their obligations) and the tiser is the way they reach their widest local audience. And the tiser knows plenty of people love to read about the crows. They've had their tiff and now they'll kiss and make up. I think the storm clouds over the Wedgewood have just about blown away.

[RogerRabbit69]

I don't expect the event would have done much damage to either organisation. A few zealots might drop their subscription, the tiser might drop a few fluff pieces for a while. AT the end of the day the crows are very aware of the need for good publicity (we've all heard the stories of the odd ambassador being reminded of their obligations) and the tiser is the way they reach their widest local audience. And the tiser knows plenty of people love to read about the crows. They've had their tiff and now they'll kiss and make up. I think the storm clouds over the Wedgewood have just about blown away.
In hindsight, you're probably right (though the audience the Advertiser reaches is decreasing by the day).
But I still wouldn't be surprised if the Crows try to snub the Tiser journos for at least a few weeks. And I think someone like Rebekah Devlin, who wrote the main story and apparently pretty much instigated the whole thing, will be told to go forth and multiply by the Crows for a very long time. I think she's burnt her bridges and they won't be mended.

[Ford Fairlane]

In hindsight, you're probably right (though the audience the Advertiser reaches is decreasing by the day).
But I still wouldn't be surprised if the Crows try to snub the Tiser journos for at least a few weeks. And I think someone like Rebekah Devlin, who wrote the main story and apparently pretty much instigated the whole thing, will be told to go forth and multiply by the Crows for a very long time. I think she's burnt her bridges and they won't be mended.

The circulation figures of the tiser might be marginally down, but it has massive reach into the office spaces of Adelaide with corporate subscriptions, so people will still be reading it - far more than subscription figures indicate, which means it gets its advertising revenue and so on it goes. Plus it has its website and people will read it there. It reaches a vast audience in SA and it's not dropping off, certainly not long term which is what they would project on.

Bec Devlin is a very minor player in the scheme of things, so that won't be a concern. The real footy journos will be doing their bit to repair bridges - Geoff Roach will be hard at work I'm sure.

It's a symbiotic relationship - they need each other and each knows it. You could tell by the looks of thunder on the faces of Trigg and Craig at the press conference they weren't happy - and I suspect moreso with Goodwin than the tiser journos. They don't want bad publicity, especially something completely avoidable.

[Toots Hibbert]

Couldn't agree more.
Sport is an absolute cornerstone of the Advertiser - a look at circulation figures that correspond to significant sporting moments confirms that.
It seems the current editor, Mel Mansell, doesn't quite get it when it comes to sport in SA. He's only been in Adelaide for 5-6 years and apparently has no true appreciation of Aussie Rules, in particular (which probably shouldn't be a surprise seeing he worked in Sydney for a long time and has NZ/UK heritage).
I agree that he got it wrong this time (just like Goodwin).
I thought Melvin Mansell was originally from South Africa but I could be wrong.

[portentous]

I've heard Rucci several times express his opinion on those above him at the 'Tiser. I don't think they're a bunch of happy campers, at least in the Sports Department there.

[dreamkillers]

The circulation figures of the tiser might be marginally down, but it has massive reach into the office spaces of Adelaide with corporate subscriptions, so people will still be reading it - far more than subscription figures indicate, which means it gets its advertising revenue and so on it goes. Plus it has its website and people will read it there. It reaches a vast audience in SA and it's not dropping off, certainly not long term which is what they would project on.
A lot of people don't realise how much those corporate subscriptions are worth (ie number of people that read the paper not just who buys it) and how many there are..........add that to the website and the fact so many people are online these days IMO there would be more people reading Advertiser articles than there have ever been. Sure they aren't forking out a dollar for the paper but they are being acknowledged each and every time they click on a an article on the Advertiser's website or it's affiliates.

Bec Devlin is a very minor player in the scheme of things, so that won't be a concern. The real footy journos will be doing their bit to repair bridges - Geoff Roach will be hard at work I'm sure.
No concern at all except they may do a couple of extra fluff (positive) stories to keep the peace ........

That's if Geoff Roach actually works this time of the year.........:D........I'd expect to see some positive fluff stories that really tell us nothing newsworthy but praise player and club in the near future..........now where was that bucket.

It's a symbiotic relationship - they need each other and each knows it. You could tell by the looks of thunder on the faces of Trigg and Craig at the press conference they weren't happy - and I suspect moreso with Goodwin than the tiser journos. They don't want bad publicity, especially something completely avoidable.

Whilst I can understand some anger towards the media the anger/frustration should be mainly on the players for putting themselves and the club into the position.........it wouldn't have taken much thought or effort to keep everything private.

Given the Advertiser is the quickest and cheapest way for the club to communicate with it's members and supporters I don't see anything changing in the relationship between club and paper.

[Jabsy]

There's also talk from some on the Crows board of boycotting 5AA for alleged bias. Apparently the Adelaide media is infested with Port identities or Crows people gone bad. Where can these would be boycotters turn to?


They'll just have to read "Inside Football" where they can always rely on their favourite columnist, Jim Main.

[Paralowiepower]

Where can these would be boycotters turn to?
They can always go back to the theatre.

[JohnK]

...I'd be interested to know what a few of the local sports media actually think about the whole thing. They've probably got a better perspective on the whole thing that any of us.
Maybe JohnK could be a good start .....

Gee, thanks, RogerRabbit. It's not often on this forum I'm given such a warm invitation to mouth off. Usually people tell me to get off my high horse.

Sorry for reviving an old thread. Been absent. Reading BigFooty in summer is a bit like drinking beer before noon. I try to avoid both... but sometimes...

I think the Advertiser is now a try-hard paper that has lost its way. It's not that the editor doesn't understand AFL. He doesn't understand how the Advertiser once defined this city... and, deep in the past, the News wasn't that bad, either, as an afternoon paper. Both understood their functions and produced an acceptable mix. These days, as a city monopoly, the Advertiser has given up the serious role and is only chasing the youth market who have already abandoned them for alternative media which is more relevant, more immediate and, often, more accurate.

The Advertiser has lost its grip on what Adelaide people want from a newspaper and the harder they try to be relevant, the more obscure they become. How many more makeovers do we have to suffer before they realise that content is more important than layout? Invest the money on decent stories, not red ink on nearly every page. Give the journalists an expense account and some time to find something worth reporting. There are plenty of Adelaide stories out there, begging to be told.

On the Goodwin death threat last month, I thought that page one story was as pathetic as tabloid journalism gets. A drunk young sportsman mouths off. So what? That's not news. That happens in every off season. Any screaming page one story that has no back-up the next day or the next week is, by definition, a sheer lemon.

An old journalist said to me recently that years ago, they used to fight to get a sports story on page one and that, these days, they fight to keep it off the front page. That just about sums up the current editorship of the Advertiser and where they are taking their paper. They are desperate to sell and it doesn't matter how weak the story is. Often, in fact, the weaker the story, the better the sales. That's the tabloid formula. That reflects us, more than them.

Advertiser boycotts? I don't worry about them. The paper is managing to lose circulation all by itself. Or at least, as a monopoly, it's failing to be the succesful paper it should be. Eventually someone in the organisation will realise that the current editorial direction is crass and failing. I buy it every day and read it every day to track its horrible path. It's a living history of the city and it reflects a lowering of standards across many areas, including a lowering of political accountability by government and opposition spokespeople alike.

AFC boycotting the Advertiser? I don't think so. That Goodwin story only means that the AFC will become more reluctant to talk freely with all the press. They'll mistrust all journalists a little more, treat the press conferences as bigger battles for the truth than they already are, be less reluctant to be honest, maintain a stronger closed club line... and generate duller copy as a result. This, in turn, will make the sensationalist journalists fabricate wilder half-truths, look for even bigger scoops and probably find them. Riccuito breaks a hardboiled egg for breakfast, McLeod has an unrevealed blister on his hand from last weekend's gardening, Burton is losing hair. Tabloidists have to keep inventing stuff. Look at the UK press for examples of where the Advertiser thinks it has to go. In the end, the invented stories and their subsequent denials sell as many papers as those who print the boring truth.

[Toots Hibbert]

Has anyone else read "The Insider" by Piers Morgan the British tabloid editor? Fascinating book if you're interested in the media, politics, sport and gossip. I read it while I was on holidays and couldn't put it down.

[Handyandy]

I don't believe so. It could so easily have been one of our players first provoked and then slandered. The Advertiser should suffer for this. Fans of both SA clubs should boycott the rag until it unreservedly apologises for the Goodwin incident.

Get off it. The Advertiser has nothing to apologise for. Goodwin does & he is very fortunate not to be facing criminal charges. Instead of giving a slanted account of the incedent he should come out & make an unreserved apology to all involved. My nephew who is a young crow supporter was shocked by goody's threats & has vowed to never follow the crows again.
Several points which I found interesting about this event.
a) the crows supporters are laying all the blame on the rag & are claiming there is some sort of sinister conspiracy against them. Funny stuff.
b) Goody & the other crows in the leadership group gave an inaccurate account of the event to the media (they lied.)
c) Cwaigy has spoken about a new age at the crows with open & transparent access to the club/ players just as roo etc is threatening to blackball the media.

[Powerstufff]

..... My nephew who is a young crow supporter was shocked by goody's threats & has vowed to never follow the crows again.......Well at least some good has come of this.

[JohnK]

Well at least some good has come of this.

The Advertiser is not that powerful.

In season 2006, from rounds 2-5, Simon Goodwin is BOG for three rounds with thirty effective matchwinning possessions and rockets into early Brownlow contention. That young kid finds the Crow's cap that he has stuffed under his bed, dusts it off and wears it to school again.

[Powerstufff]

It was a tongue in cheek reply JohnK. Admittedly no smiley.
I'm firmly on the side of the Adelaide FC in this.

[RogerRabbit69]

I think the Advertiser is now a try-hard paper that has lost its way. It's not that the editor doesn't understand AFL. He doesn't understand how the Advertiser once defined this city... and, deep in the past, the News wasn't that bad, either, as an afternoon paper. Both understood their functions and produced an acceptable mix. These days, as a city monopoly, the Advertiser has given up the serious role and is only chasing the youth market who have already abandoned them for alternative media which is more relevant, more immediate and, often, more accurate.subsequent denials sell as many papers as those who print the boring truth.
Thanks for taking the effort to reply, John. I actually spoke to another journalist (I won't say where they work) the other week and they had very similar views to yours. Sounds like the real problems at the Advertiser start at the top (read editor) ... and flows on down through the organisation.