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Bomber Man
25 Dec 2005, 11:27
Where do you see Shaun Burgoyne playing this season?
Showed he could find the pill in the middle at the end of 05, I still like the memory of him as a forward in the first half of 03...
Powerstufff
25 Dec 2005, 12:16
Where do you see Shaun Burgoyne playing this season?.....I'd favour HBF or a wing in general. It gives him more chance to get mobile and he can be very dangerous running out of defence.
But he's versatile and the availability and development of other players may lead to him being a Mr Fixit.
Rebounding defender is where he is best. As good as they get.
Arsene Wenger
26 Dec 2005, 00:10
midfield for SB this year.. is a gun
Magpiespower
26 Dec 2005, 01:12
I expect to see a lot more of Junior Burger in the midfield this year.
Gonna have $10 on him for the Brownlow.
Macca19
26 Dec 2005, 08:24
Depends almost entirely how our defence goes early on. If one or two of Lonie, Symes and Thomas can come in and hold down a back flank then Id expect to see Shaun move to the middle.
pafc4life
26 Dec 2005, 10:43
Yep, hopefully in the middle. The guy is a dead set gun and we haven't seen anything like the best he has to offer.
Porthos
26 Dec 2005, 11:02
Could play in midfield, but a lack of accountable small-mid defence/wear and tear on Wilbur may dictate that he plays in defence most of the season.
Bomber Man
26 Dec 2005, 12:06
Do you think he has the endurance for the midfield?
(I agree with everyone's posts, and don't think it will happen, but...) I thought he was brilliant at HFF/FP in 2003 - he had 27 goals by round 9, and finished the h&a season with 37 despite spending a lot of time in defense.
He's very quick to get the ball to foot so makes opportunities out of nothing, and maintains his accuracy in pressured shots at goal, and puts good body and pressure on backmen.
I just think he's a little wasted on the backline - match saver rather than match winner.
In an ideal world the midfield. As noted earlier though unless others can cover him down back at least adequately, if not as good as he is, then he'll be forced back. Hopefully by round 5 - 6 he's a regular midfielder.
Powerstufff
26 Dec 2005, 12:46
....I just think he's a little wasted on the backline - match saver rather than match winner.His size, speed, agility and skill is vital there against will o' the wisp forwards like Steven Milne or Mark Williams.
Cast your mind back to our PF against St Kilda in 2004. Late in the game we saw him run down a loose ball in front of Brent Guerra in the face of an open goal. Without that and Super Gav's miracle goal at the other end we'd have lost that game. Leave him there please.
RogerRabbit69
26 Dec 2005, 12:51
I reckon he'll play most of his footy in defence but he'll have a taste of the midfield at different stages.
Could be an absolute superstar, I reckon.
Remember reading in the Sunday Mail earlier in the year that he's the strongest player at the club pound for pound.
portentous
26 Dec 2005, 13:25
It'll depend solely on match-ups IMO. Some weeks he'll be needed in defence and others he'll spend more time in the midfield. For mine, would love it if we could grab a spot in the midfield because Tredders et al would just love his delivery into the forward line esp now that James is gone.
Troy Wingate
26 Dec 2005, 13:32
I think Shaun will play where ever he needed. This guy can play all over the ground, he is extremely versatile. If we need in up forward, he can play there, if we need him in the mid-field, he can play there, if we need him down back, he can play there. Some goes with Chad Cornes. We have alot of players who can play all over the ground.
dreamkillers
26 Dec 2005, 13:50
Where do you see Shaun Burgoyne playing this season?
Showed he could find the pill in the middle at the end of 05, I still like the memory of him as a forward in the first half of 03...
Swapping with Wilbur in stints on the ball, HBF and BP...........
PJ Power
26 Dec 2005, 15:19
After his injury concerns of 2005, i would prefer Wilbur to settle into playing permanently as our tight checking BP/HBF.
Walsh should also settle into a similar role back there permanently.
As Macca has written, JB's positioning depends very heavily on the form/accountability of one of Dew/Lonie/Symes and (as longshots Surjan, Thomson and Thomas) settling into the backline. If any one of those guys can settle in and give us drive/rebound and accountability, JB should be played across wing/centre.
The other option is to alternate Chad and JB between HBF and midfield.
Porthos
26 Dec 2005, 17:13
I still reckon Lonie will be playing the Schofield role. I also think that the success of Dew/Lonie/Symes as back-flankers will not have much impact on whether Shaun plays in defence or not, because the reason we need Shaun in defence is his accountability. Lonie isn't accountable, Dew isn't accountable and I doubt Symes is either.
Shaun's ability to go into the midfield will depend on the fitness of Wanganeen and Wilson, the progression of Lower, Thomas and Ezard as accountable players, or someone unexpected dropping back to defense (like Thomson) to do the shutdown role on opposition smalls.
comradekane_02
26 Dec 2005, 23:33
This is just my opinion of course, but I think when everyone says "midfield" they are referring to mainly a wing? I dont know that SB has the ability to consistently get the hard ball, what he does do though, is turn defence into attack in an instant with his incredible pace and succulent delivery. (rememer against St Kilda away that run with a torn kit & his pin point pass from HB in the GF). Shaun is a rare talent that is at his most valuable and dangerous when he has the length of the field before him to run into. So I think HBF is where he is most valuable. I think though Mark will play him more often that not on the wing.
Magpiespower
27 Dec 2005, 05:43
This is just my opinion of course, but I think when everyone says "midfield" they are referring to mainly a wing?
I say put him in the guts.
We're only robbing ourselves by leaving him on a flank or in a pocket.
Ford Fairlane
27 Dec 2005, 08:26
I saw Shaun play centre in a night game at Adelaide Oval against Norwood a few years back and he single handedly kept Port in the game. His peripheral vision, awareness of what was around him, lateral movement and ability to break away in the tightest traffic was breath taking. He just kept finding the ball and getting it away. In the last minor round Showdown of 2005 I saw pretty much the same virtuoso performance when he went into the midfield. He is a rare talent and he'd certainly be in my midfield.
Powerstufff
27 Dec 2005, 10:17
.... he'd certainly be in my midfield.See I agree with comradekane 02 that if that happened he'd be by far best used on the wing.
I think just saying 'midfield' is not really making it clear what role people want for him. I can't see that we'd need him in ferreting the ball out from under packs. IMO that would be a waste. Keep him moving and he'll burn out a few opponents each game.
RogerRabbit69
27 Dec 2005, 10:26
As I mentioned in an earlier post, he's incredibly strong for his size - pound for pound the strongest at the Power according to a story earlier in the year.
I think you'd be surprised how well he could handle a true on-ball role.
I reckon he's a model up from Josh Francou pre knee injury.
Ford Fairlane
27 Dec 2005, 10:41
See I agree with comradekane 02 that if that happened he'd be by far best used on the wing.
I think just saying 'midfield' is not really making it clear what role people want for him. I can't see that we'd need him in ferreting the ball out from under packs. IMO that would be a waste. Keep him moving and he'll burn out a few opponents each game.
On the other hand I'd have him in the guts of the action, in the centre square. He doesn't need to be at the bottom of packs, his ability to stand tall in the middle with his vision, movement, speed and strength (as mentioned by RR) means he gets it and goes with it. Think of a turbocharged Paul Bagshaw with afterburners. He has the uncanny knack of creating time and space around him and once he's away, he's gone. Or he'll flick it out wide to a Lonie or Dew who will send it 60m forward. For me he'd be somewhat wasted in a receiving role out wide on a wing.
Macca19
27 Dec 2005, 11:54
I think he would be perfect in the guts in the midfield. I agree with Ford that if he was on a wing he would be a bit wasted. Being in the centre square doesnt mean he has to be on the ground getting the ball out. He has sublime agility and evasie skills and he could easily play his brothers role in the midfield.
Sandola
27 Dec 2005, 12:01
On the other hand I'd have him in the guts of the action, in the centre square. He doesn't need to be at the bottom of packs, his ability to stand tall in the middle with his vision, movement, speed and strength (as mentioned by RR) means he gets it and goes with it. Think of a turbocharged Paul Bagshaw with afterburners. He has the uncanny knack of creating time and space around him and once he's away, he's gone. Or he'll flick it out wide to a Lonie or Dew who will send it 60m forward. For me he'd be somewhat wasted in a receiving role out wide on a wing.
This all is exactly what PB, when he's firing, does. To have both of them in there together would be -- breathtaking.
portentous
27 Dec 2005, 13:24
You can never have too many Burgers.
dreamkillers
27 Dec 2005, 14:51
He has the uncanny knack of creating time and space around him and once he's away, he's gone. Or he'll flick it out wide to a Lonie or Dew who will send it 60m forward. For me he'd be somewhat wasted in a receiving role out wide on a wing.
I think of him as having the time and space of Roger James with pace to burn.........although the term is more suited to basketball Shaun will be our play maker setting up attacks from the middle and bringing the Wingers and HBF's into the play or just burning forward using his pace.
He is more beneficial to us playing this role attacking the football and let the opposition worry about him than us using him to shutdown a player.
Sandola
27 Dec 2005, 17:32
.........Shaun will be our play maker setting up attacks from the middle and bringing the Wingers and HBF's into the play or just burning forward using his pace.
He is more beneficial to us playing this role attacking the football and let the opposition worry about him than us using him to shutdown a player.
Yes. And he doesn't get reported. If he goes in the middle, he gets a Brownlow in 2007. Won't even need the blond tips.
I think we have many options up forward with the likes of pearce coming through and although I loved watching his creativity in front of the big sticks it is our midfield that needs a serious boost. Shaun is simply too creative and athletic not to be played where the game is won. I don't think it would be too hard to turn a few youngsters into tight-checking defenders. Remember if we dominate the midfield our defence will have far less pressure.
That said I think the best part about JB is that if we need a whole filled he can fill it and add a great deal to that part of the ground. Also if he gets tired from running he could sit in the goal square and bamboozle his opponant.
Porthos
28 Dec 2005, 10:35
I think he would be perfect in the guts in the midfield. I agree with Ford that if he was on a wing he would be a bit wasted. Being in the centre square doesnt mean he has to be on the ground getting the ball out. He has sublime agility and evasie skills and he could easily play his brothers role in the midfield.Essentially, playing Shaun on the wing would be like playing Judd on the wing. Yeah, he'd be good there, and he might get to have a bit more a run (what is he, a horse?), but why put him so far from the ball?
Porthos
28 Dec 2005, 10:37
I don't think it would be too hard to turn a few youngsters into tight-checking defenders.If its so easy, how come we don't have any?
Remember if we dominate the midfield our defence will have far less pressure.This is the logic that sides like the Bulldogs and Eagles use - they have about a billion guys who look great running it out from defence, but SFA genuine accountable small defenders. Its why their suspect defences will always be exposed in big games
Its also why sides with genuine accountable small/medium defenders (Sydney, Port, Brisbane, Essendon) are the ones that get the prize.
We need a good defender that is also good at fast accurate rebounding. Shaun Burgoyne does that like no other.
Until we find another player that can do that at a high standard, he is too valuable to play elsewhere.
Rebounding defender means being a "part midfielder". The midfield nowadays is vastly different to the midfield years back. Nowadays you can be a valuable part of the "midfield" yet predominantly be a running defender. That is why Choco put Kingsley back there after Wilson got injured.
PowerKat
28 Dec 2005, 10:54
I would expect to see Shaun left at HB in the main, unless a fast, accountable youngster emerges from the ranks. Shaun will likely end up in the midfield at times, but I can't see anyone ready-made to take up his role at HB. We really need his speed back there to match up on the nippy opposition forwards. Overall, the remainder of our defence looks pathetically slow at this stage.
portentous
28 Dec 2005, 11:19
Could Lonie free Shaun up to go into the midfield? I don't know much about him, but he sounds the "type". Whether he's got the ability or not, well time will tell. A lot of people also seem to be forgetting about Carrot Walsh.
Could Lonie free Shaun up to go into the midfield? I don't know much about him, but he sounds the "type". Whether he's got the ability or not, well time will tell. A lot of people also seem to be forgetting about Carrot Walsh.
Dunno.
Lonie seems to be more of an outside type of players with a good long kick.
Someone on here once said something about Lonie/Schofield.
Not sure who, but that is probably a bit closer to reality at this stage, and in particular wrt "early days Schofield", unless Choco sees something that he wants to develop in him.
RogerRabbit69
28 Dec 2005, 11:30
A lot of people also seem to be forgetting about Carrot Walsh.
Agreed, had a super season in 2005. Probably getting to the end of his tether, but still got a couple of good seasons in him. Certainly does a terrific job in that "sweeper" role.
Powerstufff
28 Dec 2005, 13:05
Could Lonie free Shaun up to go into the midfield?.....No. Not and leave the same sort of grunt in our defence anyway.
.... A lot of people also seem to be forgetting about Carrot Walsh.Walsh is a smart, brave and skilful player. I doubt too many are forgetting him. But he is not in the freakishly talented league, no fault of his.
Mitch Power
29 Dec 2005, 15:34
I expect to see a lot more of Junior Burger in the midfield this year.
Gonna have $10 on him for the Brownlow.
I'm with you Magpiespower - Junior has served his time as a defender and I think he will give our midfield a real boost.
His Sportsbet price has dropped already:D
Magpiespower
30 Dec 2005, 08:10
I'm with you Magpiespower - Junior has served his time as a defender and I think he will give our midfield a real boost.
His Sportsbet price has dropped already:D
At the moment, he's paying
$251 for a win.
$63.50 for top 3.
dreamkillers
31 Dec 2005, 12:21
At the moment, he's paying
$251 for a win.
$63.50 for top 3.
Very tempting odds.............might have to invest $10 on each.
Toots Hibbert
31 Dec 2005, 13:58
Could Lonie free Shaun up to go into the midfield? I don't know much about him, but he sounds the "type". Whether he's got the ability or not, well time will tell. A lot of people also seem to be forgetting about Carrot Walsh.
Hawthorn posters describe Lonie in the same terms that we describe Nick Stevens ie anything but hard and accountable. I don't doubt that he has courage, anyone who plays AFL must by definition not be a woos but there is no sense recruiting a player for a role he is not naturally suited.
To get Junior and Chad in the middle I wonder about a half back line of Pettigrew, Chaplin and Walsh. I hope I'm reading Pettigrew right in thinking he can play a close checking role. He has height and pace and some natural aggression as well as good disposal. He and Walsh on either side of Chaplin would make for a good outer defence IMO.
Hawthorn posters describe Lonie in the same terms that we describe Nick Stevens ie anything but hard and accountable. I don't doubt that he has courage, anyone who plays AFL must by definition not be a woos but there is no sense recruiting a player for a role he is not naturally suited.
...
Choco turned Schofield into a premier player, I have no doubt he'll do the same to Lonie.
Not every player needs to be a tight in and under style of player. We need another Schofield as much as we need another Josh Carr. Go Lonie.
Toots Hibbert
31 Dec 2005, 19:23
Choco turned Schofield into a premier player, I have no doubt he'll do the same to Lonie.
Not every player needs to be a tight in and under style of player. We need another Schofield as much as we need another Josh Carr. Go Lonie.
Yeah I agree with you that Lonie could be used as a Schofield type of running player. He doesn't sound like the makings of an accountable tight marking half back flanker.
Powerstufff
31 Dec 2005, 19:30
Choco turned Schofield into a premier player, I have no doubt he'll do the same to Lonie.
Not every player needs to be a tight in and under style of player. We need another Schofield as much as we need another Josh Carr. Go Lonie.
I agree too. Good post.
johnnypanther
3 Jan 2006, 10:46
as a Crows bloke my unbiased opinion, if i may, is that Junior Burger ideally would play in the Centre otherwise as a rebounding half back flanker with stints on the ball. Either way i would be surprised if he was not AA at the end of the year and IMO a good bet on the Brownlow.
Whether he plays in the Centre may depend on the make-up of the other players available to play in the midfield and defence.