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Toots Hibbert
30 Dec 2005, 10:30
Rivals set to trump Nine's AFL bid
The Australian
John Lehmann and Michael Davis
30dec05

KERRY Packer's final business play - an audacious $780 million bid for AFL television rights - is set to fail, with his rival, Seven Network owner Kerry Stokes, finalising an offer to wrest the contract from the Nine Network.

Seven and its partner in the bid, Network Ten, yesterday indicated a matching offer will be submitted by Thursday, while writing to the AFL asking for further details of the Packer-endorsed deal.
A Ten source said the bid partners only needed to find another $15 million a year in cash to match the offer, which would force the AFL to award the rights due to a "last-option" contract held by Mr Stokes.

"Do you seriously think we'd give up the right to broadcast AFL for that amount of money? It's an open-and-shut deal," the Ten source said.

The Seven-Ten first offer in this round of negotiations is understood to have been about $615 million, most of it in cash.

The deal put by Nine, which is partnering with pay-TV operator Foxtel - part-owned by News Limited, publisher of The Australia - is made up of $680 million in cash and $100 million contra.

Seven communications executive Simon Francis said Seven was "delivering without the AFL and there's no doubt we'd be even more competitive with the television rights to the AFL".

But he said the network would "let our heads, not our hearts, make the final decision".

Seven, which lost its 46-year association with Australian rules football in 2001 after falling out with the AFL, finished only 2.1 rating points behind perennial leader Nine this year.

Executives think the AFL would be worth between one and 1 1/2 ratings point over a year, giving Seven a critical boost in its quest to finally beat Nine.

While the deal would be loss-making, Seven and Ten - whose respective chief executives David Leckie and Grant Blackley met to thrash out the matching bid in Sydney on Wednesday - could expect to write about $60 million in advertising revenue against the AFL each year.

And each ratings point is estimated to be worth between $30 million and $35 million in extra revenue a year, not to mention the premium that advertisers are willing to pay for delivering the biggest audience.

Sources close to Nine described their situation as "win-win".

"If we get the rights great, if we don't, we watch Seven and Ten spend more money than they can afford," one insider said.

Foxtel, which was contributing close to $50 million into the Nine bid to cover four exclusive games, would be likely to pay less than half that amount for the three least popular games that Seven would be likely to on-sell.

It is vital to Ten, which partnered Nine in the AFL since 2002, to retain the rights, as its audience is expected to come under severe pressure next year.

Ten told the AFL it was prepared to broadcast Saturday night AFL games in Sydney and Brisbane live from 2007, even though its advertising revenues are expected to be substantially hit if it retains the rights.

Relations between Seven and the AFL have been poisonous over the past year, when Mr Stokes insisted the commission be sued as part of his claim for $1.1billion in damages against the rest of the television industry.

Although the Seven-Ten bid offers the AFL more coverage on free-to-air television, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has made no secret of the fact that Nine is his preferred broadcaster.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,17688952,00.html

crazy_big_al
30 Dec 2005, 11:08
All i want is too watch al Power games on free to air

*PAF
30 Dec 2005, 11:43
Go Channel 7. :thumbsu:

Power21
30 Dec 2005, 12:25
All i want is too watch al Power games on free to air

Exactly, thats all i want, if you dont like the commentators you can turn down the sound but if they go to fox ill be so f****** p*****.

Paralowiepower
30 Dec 2005, 15:47
I have fox, and I'm sure 7/10 will sell 2 or 3 games to fox anyway, just like 9 was going too. Especially now, they need to find so much money. I'm sure the AFL will want a 24 hr channel dedicated to Australian Football on Foxtel.

I hope 9 does lose the rights, as the banner at the SCG once said, 9 are evil.

Stiffy_18
30 Dec 2005, 18:30
Go Channel 7. :thumbsu:
What he said.

For the good of the game, lets hope 7 and 10 do indeed trump 9 and foxtel.

Troy Wingate
30 Dec 2005, 18:37
No matter what, Foxtel will get rights to show games on Fox Footy. Just as long as Channel 9 loose the rights, I'll be delighted. No more Eddie McGuire commentating Collingwood games.

Grave Danger
31 Dec 2005, 12:06
There seems to be a different prediction on the outcome of this every day. If Nine wins the rights, Jamie Packer will probably have to sell the station to pay for it. If Seven/Ten outbid Nine, Seven will probably have to give the AFL their share of Docklands stadium to pay for it.

Powerstufff
31 Dec 2005, 12:26
All i want is to watch all Power games on free to airWon't happen. Come 2007 some of our games will be on Foxtel. Even if the successful bidder only paid $500 million again this would happen.

*PAF
31 Dec 2005, 12:33
All we want up here is to see the games live, don't care if they are FTA or not.
Live would be good.

Andre
31 Dec 2005, 12:53
All i want is too watch al Power games on free to air
I don't know why we have to be bracketed with the Cows for whether we get FTA. They have a waiting list for tickets, so why can't foxtel (whoever wins the FTA rights) broadcast live against them, but not against us ?

Pinepower
31 Dec 2005, 12:55
I don't know why we have to be bracketed with the Cows for whether we get FTA. They have a waiting list for tickets, so why can't foxtel (whoever wins the FTA rights) broadcast live against them, but not against us ?

Now Andre that makes sense. Too much sense for the AFL and the big media guns

gytre
31 Dec 2005, 13:58
I'm fairly neutral on this. On the one hand I think Nine did a good job with commentary and had better commentators than Seven (can't stand Sandy Roberts, ugh). I thought Nine's general presentation was better than Sevens ever was.

On the other hand, with Nine owning the rights to Rugby League, Wimbledon, cricket and other sporting events, I'll think it'll be better for the Aussie Rules code if the 7/10 deal wins. Especially in the northern states, where we want to grow the game.

Whatever, I certainly hope Foxtel continues to play a major role. Love my Fox Footy.

dreamkillers
31 Dec 2005, 13:59
All we want up here is to see the games live, don't care if they are FTA or not.
Live would be good.

Yep and that won't happen if it remains on Nine..........Seven/Ten/Fox would be perfect for us

rayven
31 Dec 2005, 16:18
I don't know why we have to be bracketed with the Cows for whether we get FTA. They have a waiting list for tickets, so why can't foxtel (whoever wins the FTA rights) broadcast live against them, but not against us ?
our season ticket holders have right to what there money pays for just as much as yours,regardless of the respective numbers.

on the basis of this thread, i agree with most of you that footy is better off at 7/10 than 9 .
i see no loyality to the national game by 9, the only thing close is the money they put up and money aint the sole meaning of loyalty,
eddie mcguire dosnt portray someone loyal to our game to me,nor does the amount of coverage in queensland or nsw(heaps of our money has and will be spent there).

*PAF
31 Dec 2005, 18:33
our season ticket holders have right to what there money pays for just as much as yours,regardless of the respective numbers.
...
You missed the point all together.
Live against the gate when a game is a sellout or near sellout is fine.
Live against the gate when a game is nowhere near a sellout is bad.
Once upon a time they waited for a game to be a sellout before showing it live. Nowadays the TV channels obviously do not give a hoot about that, they need to show as many games as possible to make sure they recover their outlay, even if that means making a few teams go broke long term.

rayven
31 Dec 2005, 22:03
live against the gate on a sellout is just as bad as the season ticket holders pay good money to see the game live and that money is wasted when the game is live on tv,the issue eats right at the core of what bieng a member/season ticket holder is all about
both scenarios are just as bad imo

*PAF
1 Jan 2006, 02:32
live against the gate on a sellout is just as bad as the season ticket holders pay good money to see the game live and that money is wasted when the game is live on tv,the issue eats right at the core of what bieng a member/season ticket holder is all about
both scenarios are just as bad imo
Disagree entirely. There is nothing quite like being there when there is a good game on no matter what sport.
Being a season ticket holder ensures you can get there.

dreamkillers
1 Jan 2006, 14:08
Disagree entirely. There is nothing quite like being there when there is a good game on no matter what sport.
Being a season ticket holder ensures you can get there.

Definitely...........nothing at all like being there where you can see the whole ground and not just a small segment of the ground where you have no idea of what's going on outside of where the camera pans..........generally 4-5 metres around the ball.

If people with season tickets can't see the benefit of watching the game live then you really have to question their football knowledge...........I know I'd go to a lot more Port games if it wasn't for the fact each game involves over 5000km travel and $600 for airfares alone.


Just on a side point are you coming out to the local footy tomorrow - 3 pretty good league games with us just over the halfway mark of the season.......we want Darwin and Wanderers to kill each other then have Nightcliff get an easy win.........:D

Round 13 (of 21) - Monday 2nd January 2006

12.30pm Reserves Saint Marys v Waratah - Marrara Oval 1
02.00pm Reserves Darwin v Wanderers - Marrara Oval 2
02.30pm League Saint Marys v Waratah - Marrara Oval 1
04.00pm Reserves Palmerston v Nightcliff - Marrara Oval 2
05.00pm League Darwin v Wanderers - Marrara Oval 1
07.30pm League Palmerston v Nightcliff - Marrara Oval 1

Bye: Southern Districts

Ladder After Round 12 (Tue, 27 Dec 2005)
TEAM P W L D For Agst % P
1 ST MARYS 10 8 2 0 979 608 161.02 32
2 NIGHTCLIFF 10 7 3 0 828 786 105.34 28
3 DARWIN 10 6 4 0 995 691 143.99 24
4 WANDERERS 10 6 4 0 811 681 119.09 24

5 WARATAH 10 4 6 0 779 828 94.08 16
6 PALMERSTON MAGPIES 11 3 8 0 673 985 68.32 12
7 SOUTHERN DISTRICTS 11 2 9 0 750 1236 60.68 8

*PAF
1 Jan 2006, 20:12
Sounds good DK. I've sent you a PM.