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flop it out
31 Dec 2005, 21:04
My choice is cameron white..... what has he ever done to derve australian selection? or be considered a future test player? a battin average of 29 and a bowling average of 35 nothing to write home about yet he is considered on the fringe of national selection, surely there are more deserving players around? while i do admit he has plenty of potential and is only 22, he has to show more if he is to gain national selection
the_mighty_pies_3733
31 Dec 2005, 21:25
Yep agreed
eddiesmith
31 Dec 2005, 21:34
No one is more overrated than Watson, 30 with the bat, 42 with the ball
flop it out
1 Jan 2006, 12:04
I get the impression moest people believe either white or watson are the most overrated players in the country so maybe this will help people decide...
Shane Watson: Batting averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50
Tests 3 4 0 81 31 20.25 212 38.20 0 0
ODI's 40 25 11 454 77* 32.42 638 71.15 0 2
First-class 48 82 8 3325 203* 44.93 9 17
ODD's 91 74 18 1992 132 35.57 2689 74.07 2 12
Twenty-20 5 5 1 122 97* 30.50 98 124.48 0 1
Cameron White: Batting Averages
class mat inns no runs hs ave bf sr 100 50
ODI's 5 1 0 0 0 0.00 1 0.00 0 0
First-class 44 70 8 1815 119 29.27 1 9
ODD's 46 33 6 729 106* 27.00 929 78.47 1 5
Twenty-20 1 1 1 58 58* - 38 152.63 0 1
Shane Watson: Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 5 10
Tests 3 186 123 2 1/25 1/25 61.50 3.96 93.00 0 0
ODI's 40 1606 1263 33 4/39 4/39 38.27 4.71 48.66 1 0
First-class 48 4488 2700 86 6/32 31.39 3.60 52.18 2 1
ODD's 91 3029 2555 67 4/39 4/39 38.13 5.06 45.20 0 0
Twenty-20 5 0 0 0 - - - - - 0 0
Cameron White: Bowling averages
class mat balls runs wkts bbi bbm ave econ sr 5 10
ODI's 5 48 60 1 1/34 1/34 60.00 7.50 48.00 0 0
First-class 44 6123 3529 102 6/66 34.59 3.45 60.02 1 1
ODD's 46 1489 1311 33 4/15 4/15 39.72 5.28 45.12 0 0
Twenty-20 1 24 23 1 1/23 1/23 23.00 5.75 24.00 0 0
Dog Town
1 Jan 2006, 12:50
There both basically kids in cricketing terms so averages dont mean a great deal.Both still learning there crafts and the selectors are right to push them up if they think that they will mature into quality players.
flop it out
1 Jan 2006, 12:58
but they should have to prove themself rather then be picked on potential which is unfair to players who perform week in and week out
crudbucket
1 Jan 2006, 16:57
My choice is cameron white..... what has he ever done to derve australian selection? or be considered a future test player? a battin average of 29 and a bowling average of 35 nothing to write home about yet he is considered on the fringe of national selection, surely there are more deserving players around? while i do admit he has plenty of potential and is only 22, he has to show more if he is to gain national selection
That's the criteria that got Michael Clarke selected, why shouldn't the same criteria apply to everyone else ?
Armageddon
1 Jan 2006, 17:24
Although i like both these players, both are probably not up to International standard though i think Watson is good enough for ODI's at the minute just. Not Test's though.
I think it is White just, but i think he has good potential to be a good international all rounder.
dee_molisher
1 Jan 2006, 17:32
Although i like both these players, both are probably not up to International standard though i think Watson is good enough for ODI's at the minute just. Not Test's though.
I think it is White just, but i think he has good potential to be a good international all rounder.
Don't really knw many Australian Crickets. Are we talking insect world sun jim shine. I know a a cricket who can chomp on a wicket and really get his dicket up a chicket.
Dog Town
1 Jan 2006, 17:45
The unfortunate thing is that with bowlers in particular the only way they can improve is to be exposed at the highest level so you just have to give them games on potential.The trick is picking the ones that have the tools to improve once given a decent run.Watson definetly has the basic ingredients while White is a bit border line at the moment.Both will end up being good batsmen as well.
TheColeTrain
1 Jan 2006, 18:00
Nathan Bracken, Stuart Clarke
DynamoUltra
1 Jan 2006, 22:24
Stuart Clark
Agree.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217570
I can't beleive this thread got replicated with no one noticing.
Black Thunder
1 Jan 2006, 23:36
No one is more overrated than Watson, 30 with the bat, 42 with the ball
where do you pull those figures from??
Anyway, I actually think Watson is probably the most underrated player. Cops loads of critiscm but i think he is being used in the wrong way. He's been bought into the team as a genuine all rounder and the powers that be are trying to turn him into something he's never going to be. He is a very good batsmen who is a handy bowler (probably of similar skill to Steve Waugh in the early days with his bowling).
He is not a number 7/8 batsman in one-day cricket. He's a worker of the ball. He scores quickly through loads of 1s and 2s and not many dot balls. These aren't really the traits of a lower order one-day cricketer. He's a genuine top 3 or 4 batsman.
And he can bat. He averages nearly 45 in FC cricket (averaged 42 and 54 in the past two Sheffield Shield seasons) and it's generally being going up from the time he debuted.
As for most overrated - Cameron White and Stuart Clark take that title.
eddiesmith
1 Jan 2006, 23:45
where do you pull those figures from??
Those are his figures against decent opposition and the Shane Watson I know and see
Black Thunder
1 Jan 2006, 23:50
Those are his figures against decent opposition and the Shane Watson I know and see
still not seeing them, but anyway, so what figures do you see and know from Ian Bell??
eddiesmith
2 Jan 2006, 00:00
still not seeing them, but anyway, so what figures do you see and know from Ian Bell??
I am reserving judgement of Bell untill after the English summer
Black Thunder
2 Jan 2006, 00:07
I am reserving judgement of Bell untill after the English summer
but you'll gladly make judgement on Shane Watson despite the fact they are of similar age and have had similar exposure to each level of cricket..... Hmmmm that wouldn't be a tad bias would it. No, not from an Englishman... oops, i meant English supporter from Australia. :)
eddiesmith
2 Jan 2006, 00:09
but you'll gladly make judgement on Shane Watson despite the fact they are of similar age and have had similar exposure to each level of cricket..... Hmmmm that wouldn't be a tad bias would it. No, not from an Englishman... oops, i meant English supporter from Australia. :)
But I have seen alot more of Watson at first class and ODI level than I have of Bell
I am reserving judgement of Bell untill after the English summer
Sorry, going by previous posts I thought you had already decided that he is a choking hack?????
I am a fan of Bell's, from what I have seen of him in county cricket and most recently in Pakistan I think he is a fine player. I would be lieing however if I said I expect him to make runs for England in the forthcoming series of fixtures. Like all the other England batsman, I think he might struggle against the spin and bite the Indian spinners get out of their pitches especially Anil Kumble.
Sorry, going by previous posts I thought you had already decided that he is a choking hack?????
I am a fan of Bell's, from what I have seen of him in county cricket and most recently in Pakistan I think he is a fine player. I would be lieing however if I said I expect him to make runs for England in the forthcoming series of fixtures. Like all the other England batsman, I think he might struggle against the spin and bite the Indian spinners get out of their pitches especially Anil Kumble.
eddie changes with the wind when it is somebody in one of his sides... I picked Bell as the weak link before the Ashes and was proven correct, along with vaughan's shocking batting- very nearly cost them the Ashes....
Bell did very well in Pakistan...I wouldn't be surprised to see him battle in India and do reasonably well. The Indians can be tough, but he looks the most likely to handle the spin of the middle order.
spookism
2 Jan 2006, 09:30
Brad Hodge
Cam White
Stuart Clark
Simon Katich
Freo Big Fella
2 Jan 2006, 09:56
Cam White
Theseventhhamster
2 Jan 2006, 14:11
Brett Lee by a long long way.
TheColeTrain
2 Jan 2006, 14:44
As for most overrated - Cameron White and Stuart Clark take that title.
although i agree white hasnt done that much yet, at least he has shown he has some cricketing ability, Clarke is just some NSW hack, white is a promising batsman who can bowl if needed and has shown excellent leadership skills at such a young age
Cameron White or Shane Watson