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F Pearce Lade Motlop
HF Pettigrew Tredrea Mahoney
C Salopek Cassisi P Burgoyne
HB Dew C Cornes Chaplin
B S Burgoyne Wakelin Wilson
R Brogan Francou K Cornes
Interchange
1 or 2 from Bishop Kingsley Wanganeen Walsh
and remaining 1 or 2 from Thomson White Lonie Thurstans Eckerman Ebert
Starting 18 is not too bad age wise, don't know why people say we have an old side.
Potential wise it is a very good side.
Interchange has a good blend of youth, experience, tall and short, as long as not all out of the first lot get picked.
If Sal and Francou can get the ball out of the middle we will do well.
Bring on 2006.
crazy_big_al
6 Jan 2006, 18:09
I am thinking that Franco will be pinch hitting off the bench these days
PortProudWA
6 Jan 2006, 18:13
F Pearce Lade Motlop
HF Pettigrew Tredrea Mahoney
C Salopek Cassisi P Burgoyne
HB Dew C Cornes Chaplin
B S Burgoyne Wakelin Wilson
R Brogan Francou K Cornes
Interchange
1 or 2 from Bishop Kingsley Wanganeen Walsh
and remaining 1 or 2 from Thomson White Lonie Thurstans Eckerman Ebert
Starting 18 is not too bad age wise, don't know why people say we have an old side.
Potential wise it is a very good side.
Interchange has a good blend of youth, experience, tall and short, as long as not all out of the first lot get picked.
If Sal and Francou can get the ball out of the middle we will do well.
Bring on 2006.
And I will be there :D .....whooooooo hooooooooooo:D
Troy Wingate
6 Jan 2006, 18:19
And I will be there :D .....whooooooo hooooooooooo:D
WooooHooooo!!!!!!! We finally get to see you again! And you get to meet my mother (even though she reckons it seems like you've known each other for years). LOOK OUT ADELAIDE! TWO PEAS IN A POD ARE GONNA ROCK THIS TOWN! :D
F Pearce Lade Motlop
HF Pettigrew Tredrea Mahoney
C Salopek Cassisi P Burgoyne
HB Dew C Cornes Chaplin
B S Burgoyne Wakelin Wilson
R Brogan Francou K Cornes
Interchange
1 or 2 from Bishop Kingsley Wanganeen Walsh
and remaining 1 or 2 from Thomson White Lonie Thurstans Eckerman Ebert
This stuff is so good. Pettigrew forward is good. Might switch Chaplin and S. Burgoyne. Really, really hope Salopek is ready to rock.
Not long now.
Dew on the Half Back Line? I don't see him as a very defensive player, more damaging in the middle/up foward....I'd probally swap him with Pettigrew
crazy_big_al
6 Jan 2006, 18:38
Dew on the Half Back Line? I don't see him as a very defensive player, more damaging in the middle/up foward....I'd probally swap him with Pettigrew
he played some of his beest footy last year as HBF. I think either some time in the middle of on the HBF for DEW
I am thinking that Franco will be pinch hitting off the bench these days
There is talk on TPFP that he and Dew may be injured. :confused: :(
Troy Wingate
6 Jan 2006, 19:40
Dew on the Half Back Line? I don't see him as a very defensive player, more damaging in the middle/up foward....I'd probally swap him with Pettigrew
As much as I want to see Dew up forward booting those mammoth goals, Dew can be very effective down back. When Port are on the rebound out of defense, Wakes, Cornsey or someone gets it to Dew, and with that monster kick, he kicks from the defensive 50 to the attacking 50.
Plus Dew can be a very bruising tackler, I mean, look at the guy, he is huge. And he's got a bit of speed behind him, so he can hit and shoulder someone just a hard or harder than Byron Pickett.
Like I said, I wanna see Dew kicking goals from 60m out, but he can sneak up forward from the backlines anyway and boot goals. I think it might be a win win for Port.
Powerstufff
7 Jan 2006, 10:11
There is talk on TPFP that he and Dew may be injured. :confused: :(I saw that but so far it's just supposition following on guesswork about both having OP.
Plus Dew can be a very bruising tackler, I mean, look at the guy, he is huge. And he's got a bit of speed behind him, so he can hit and shoulder someone just a hard or harder than Byron Pickett.
I dont really agree with you there, in my opinion Dew's tackling is what lets him down. The intentions are right but he never seems to pull them off. As for bumps...he normally falls over when he tries to bump someone, he doesnt find that sweet spot that byron could.
Yeah, Dew would be one of the worst physical players on our list, which is certainly counter-intuitive when you look at his build.
Troy Wingate
7 Jan 2006, 16:42
I dont really agree with you there, in my opinion Dew's tackling is what lets him down. The intentions are right but he never seems to pull them off. As for bumps...he normally falls over when he tries to bump someone, he doesnt find that sweet spot that byron could.
That's why I said he CAN BE, I didn't say he is.
portentous
7 Jan 2006, 17:02
And I will be there :D .....whooooooo hooooooooooo:D
Forget petrol shortages, SA will be out of bourbon! :D
PS I'll shout you one.
F: Pearce White Lade
HF Motlop Tredrea Mahoney
C Cassisi K Cornes Dew
HB S Burgoyne C Cornes Pettigrew
B Chaplin Wakelin Wilson
rucks Brogan Francou P burgoyne
Interchange Wanganeen Thomson Eckermann Thurstans
Emergencies Salopek Willits Lonie
Can't see why we'd push both White and Thurstans into the 22 at the expense of Salopek.
portentous
7 Jan 2006, 17:29
I'd rather see how our preseason form is before I name names. Have heard the raves about Salopek and new draftees before.......
I'd rather see how our preseason form is before I name names. Have heard the raves about Salopek and new draftees before.......
I know, but I could exchange 'Salopek' with 'a midfielder' and it would mean the same thing.
portentous
7 Jan 2006, 17:38
I know, but I could exchange 'Salopek' with 'a midfielder' and it would mean the same thing.
I was going to include Eckermann, Thomson, Ebert, Lonie et al in that category too though. So many "wait and sees" before I'd pick a side.
Plus Dew can be a very bruising tackler, I mean, look at the guy, he is huge. And he's got a bit of speed behind him, so he can hit and shoulder someone just a hard or harder than Byron Pickett.
Bruising tackler?? Since when? I dont reckon Ive ever seen him once lay a crunching tackle or bump. In fact its more often the opposite...usually he goes bouncing off like hes made of flubber...case in point the 2nd Showdown when three times he tried to lay a hard bump and just went bouncing off like a school kid...the Reilly one in particular.
He may be big but hes got absolutely zero physical side to his game. Never has, never will.
Powerstufff
7 Jan 2006, 18:32
Because Salopek is f***ing useless. Simple answer.Oh VDZ! Don't tell me we are in for another year of 'Tredrea is a hack and White is a genius.' :(
Troy Wingate
7 Jan 2006, 20:08
Bruising tackler?? Since when? I dont reckon Ive ever seen him once lay a crunching tackle or bump. In fact its more often the opposite...usually he goes bouncing off like hes made of flubber...case in point the 2nd Showdown when three times he tried to lay a hard bump and just went bouncing off like a school kid...the Reilly one in particular.
He may be big but hes got absolutely zero physical side to his game. Never has, never will.
Did you even read I wrote? I said he CAN BE, I never said he is. Read people.
Mitch Power
13 Jan 2006, 14:39
Because Salopek is f***ing useless. Simple answer.
I think you are being a bit harsh on Sala VDZ. Salopek had a great first half of 2004 until he came down with glandular fever ( I think) and had more injuries in 2005. At 20 and his best pre-season under his belt, Salopek WILL be a starting 18 player in 2006 and that extra midfielder that we were lacking last year.
White has had enough opportunities for me and I think he will always be that player that is great in the SANFL but not quiet good enough in a top AFL club that has many key position options. He may have got more games at the Crows if the trade were done as he would only have to compete with average players in Perrie at CHF and Welsh at FF.
Thurstans will be a valuable player for us this year as he can provide back up for Brogan amd Lade in ruck, play up front (as in GF) and also be the 3rd tall in defence.
I would like to see Chaplin take over CHB which would free up Cornsey to partner Tredders as the 2 talls up front.
Macca19
13 Jan 2006, 15:03
Did you even read I wrote? I said he CAN BE, I never said he is. Read people.
Yes I read what you wrote. And i 100% disagree with it. Dew can NOT be that sort of player. He never has been in the past 9 years, everytime hes tried to lay a bone crunching bump hes looked an idiot, so why will he suddenly have the power to flatten someone now when hes never done it in the past?
As i said...big body does not equal big bump. Got more chance of Jimmy Ezard flattening somebody.
crazy_big_al
13 Jan 2006, 15:10
As i said...big body does not equal big bump. Got more chance of Jimmy Ezard flattening somebody.
Speaking of Jimmy I hear nothing about him recently.
Hows he going ????
Macca19
13 Jan 2006, 15:15
Havent heard a thing about Adam Thomson either.
Apparently Jimmy is going out with a girl at my work.
Might as well, get round to doing one. With the obvious proviso that player availability and/or form in the pre-season could change the team I'd post the week before round 1.
FF : Wanganeen White Pearce
HF : Pettigrew Tredrea Mahoney
C : S. Burgoyne C. Cornes P. Burgoyne
HB : Lonie Chaplin Wilson
FB : Walsh Wakelin Thurstans
1R : Brogan K. Cornes Salopek
Int : Cassisi Lade Francou Ebert/Thomson (whoever shows best pre-season form in the MIDFIELD)
Rationale for choices.
1) No Bishop - we can't afford to have him and Wakelin retiring (or keeping one on too long) with potential replacements having only having played a handful of games. Especially if we want Chad able to move into the midfield, rather then having to stay down back, because Choco wants to give Bishop a swansong year. Unfortunately I think he'll play most games.
Similiarly I'm not playing Kingsley, I'd like him as a backup in 2006.
2) Thurstans gets the (relatively) easier task of manning up the opposition third tall. I don't trust him at FB or CHB, the third man up, rebounding role I think he could do ok. Well enough to free Chad up anyway.
3) Chad and Junior B. to the midfield. The midfield is our talent pit, Chad and Junior here gives us instantly two more quality midfielders.
4) Lonie takes Dews long kicking rebound role on a HBF. Allowing Dew to move up to a true wing position where he can either kick it long to CHF/FF or drift forward to have a shot himself.
5) White is our stay at home FF. Tredrea our CHF, not to play out of the square so much. He may end up with a few less goals, but our side will be harder to beat. Pettigrew is that cliched 'athlete playing football' - lends himself to the third tall forward with a license to run all around the forward 50 (except leading towards White or Tredrea)
6) Whilst I'd like to slot Motlop in on the HFF flank so Wanga's could start on the bench, from what tidbits I hear here in Melbourne, he's turned up as fat lazy slob to training so far. Feel free to correct me if I've got it wrong.
Power21
13 Jan 2006, 18:04
Ill be there, and if wanganeen is fit he will be one of those players on the bench, it will be his 300th game, though i dont need to remind any of you.:)
6) Whilst I'd like to slot Motlop in on the HFF flank so Wanga's could start on the bench, from what tidbits I hear here in Melbourne, he's turned up as fat lazy slob to training so far. Feel free to correct me if I've got it wrong.
The word is that Motlop has returned from Xmas etc in fine shape. Those who have gone to training say he looks very fit.
Macca19
13 Jan 2006, 20:54
6) Whilst I'd like to slot Motlop in on the HFF flank so Wanga's could start on the bench, from what tidbits I hear here in Melbourne, he's turned up as fat lazy slob to training so far. Feel free to correct me if I've got it wrong
Youve heard correct. When pre season training first started and they showed him he looked at least 5 kilos over weight. Very plump indeed. Dunno how well he has gotten that off since then however
Some of the comments re Salopek are absolutely disgraceful and well of the mark.
Im not going to go over Nick Stevens again but he would still comfortably slot into our side no dramas at all. Not every midfielder has to be an in and under hard nut, you do need some class, Salopek has poise and his delivery is generally good.
ctpower
14 Jan 2006, 06:05
F Pearce Thurstans wanganeen
HF Motlop Tredrea p burgoyne
c cassisi salopek dew
hb pettigrew chaplin s burgoyne
b wilson wakelin white
1st ruck brogan k cornes c cornes
intercahnge lade, wanganeen, francou, kingsley
pettigrew/white both will develop much quicker if allowed to play in defence rather than across HF which is the equivalent of starvation point as so much play goes thru tredrea (just ask brett ebert).We also must develop 2 tall defenders along with chaplin as wakelin is nearing the end and bishop's end came 18 mths ago.
Chad cornes to the midfield which is our weakness. Sean burgoyne also to have more midfield time hence the need for kingsley as a spare HB (walsh would also be ok).
Thurstans to FF although i'm open to other suggestions as to who should play this role ie willits, lade.
Peter burgoyne to the HF line. I've had it with him. he's far too hot and cold and should not be allowed to play long periods of time on the ball. it gets to rough for him. Maybe playing in fwd line with motlop,gav and pearce will get him going.
gav to start as its his 300th.
no spot for mahoney, ebert and walsh (unlucky all of them).
By playing 5 youngsters (pearce,chaplin,salopek,grew and white) we're keeping an eye on the future and also remaining ultra competitive at the same time.
[quote=Mitch Power] The kid is soft and gutless.
Won't contest a hard ball. Sorry but i categorically predict Nick Stevens Mark 2 here. Has all the hallmarks.
Gee, not sure I believe you watch the footy or support Port. A low attack on a fine young footballer.
[QUOTE=Mitch Power] The kid is soft and gutless.
Won't contest a hard ball. Sorry but i categorically predict Nick Stevens Mark 2 here. Has all the hallmarks.
...
We have had many similar opinions, but not in this case.
I do remember that when he first came on the scene he certainly had no problem being in the thick of things. After that he started getting all his injuries. I think that if he has a full season you will be pleasantly surprised.
wrt White, last year he seemed to go from being a reliable shot for goal to a crappy one, plus from a good mark to not. :eek:
Could it be that he has been trying so hard to do the 1%ers that he has been letting down his normal stock standard duties? That is a coaching thing. Could even be instructions gone wrong perhaps.
He is a KPP and he/coaches should concentrate on that part of his game first and foremost not be the player that does the in and under while a shorter one skirts the contest around him. The latter should be the cream on the cake but not the cake itself, if that makes sense.
In the few North Adelaide games I saw, he seemed as if he got instructed to be the tall patch up player as well just because nobody else in their team could do it as well as him.
Macca19
14 Jan 2006, 09:57
Sal is more 'inside' than people give him credit for. Hes no Roger or Josh but he does go and get his own ball. Hes a weak tackler but hes definately not a Nick Stevens.
Whitey just has to take his chances. Yeah he was played on a flank etc. but there were too many times last year when he could have marked a ball or kicked a goal and failed to do both. He either dropped the marks on the lead or missed the shot at goal. You just gotta make those count when you are trying to get in the side.
portentous
14 Jan 2006, 10:14
I'm not going to judge Sal until he's fully fit with a full preseason behind him. A lot will also depend on his role. In the past we've had James and Francou to fill the "inside" role. With them either retired or on reduced gametime, Sal might finally get an opportunity to play that role.
I have more faith in Sal making it than I have in Ebo at this stage. Hope to heck they both do though.
Yeah, Dew would be one of the worst physical players on our list, which is certainly counter-intuitive when you look at his build.He is getting better at the physical stuff gradually (which he definitely needs to!).
Macca19
14 Jan 2006, 16:42
Salopek's weak tackling is just one thing. I have seen him physically pull back from contests and back out of one on one hard ball situations.
I havent seen him do that. I saw him get targetted all match in his 5th game and stand up to it and play a top match. Ive seen him jump on the ball and get it out a few times. Hes no Josh Carr or Roger James, nor will he be a full on inside player like Adam Thomson will be, but I dont reckon hes a gutless squib.
WRT Damon, everything you describe is confidence related. the dropped marks and missed shots stood out like dog's balls as him knowing it makes no difference whether he playes well or abysmally, he'll get 5 minutes ground time and be packed off back to Prospect anyway, regardless.
He got a lot of gametime last year and he didnt take his chances. I like him....but hes gotta do more with those chances. I agree he should be played out of the goalsquare and left there for a bit...but if he drops marks on a lead and misses goals from 25 out in front regularly then he shouldnt be in the side.
Does this mean we should drop the skipper too??? He's the worst offender!!.
No.
Just like you I have been one of White's biggest fan around here. I agree with you in as far as IMO he seemed to have been stuffed around, but he needs to take his opportunities however limited they might be, and he didn't quite do that last year.
Here's hoping that he will be the player this year that most of us around here think he can be.
Macca19
15 Jan 2006, 08:36
Does this mean we should drop the skipper too??? He's the worst offender!!.
You cant compare Warren to Whitey. Sure Warren misses some easy shots some weeks, but he backs it up and kicks plenty of goals anyway. White doesnt at the moment.
Vandenbergfan
15 Jan 2006, 09:02
So how is Nathan Lonie going? Talk about gutless squibs, we used to call him "Western Star".:)
Talk about going from extremes - from Byron Pickett to Nathan Lonie.
Macca19
15 Jan 2006, 09:06
Hasnt been too much talk about him this pre season. Was an article at the start of pre season but that was it.
He said he realises he isnt a given to make the side so will have to work harder.
As for Byron...no matter what he does this year, he was finished at Port
Powerstufff
15 Jan 2006, 11:25
....he didn't quite do that last year.....Yeah. And the Titanic 'didn't quite' make New York.
Mitch Power
16 Jan 2006, 16:15
[QUOTE=Mitch Power]
Now you're the one being harsh. You can't expect a bloke to have an impact when his arse is welded to the pine for all but 5 minutes of a match. And it might help if he was played in his position - full forward - not as a drifting flanker, which he is just not suited to.
Take it from me, nothing a full forward hates more than being used as a chess piece. It's a specialist role, there to do the finishing work. Damon has more than proven his adequacy in this area - and been immediately packed off back to Prospect as a reward.
VDZ, I thought Damon had enough game time last year to show his stuff but didn't take his opportunity. I would be very happy to be proven wrong in 2006.
RoosterLad
16 Jan 2006, 22:57
Damn straight.
When White plays he is played out of position, AND Tredrea is always the target man. It seems Power midfielders would rather bomb the ball long to Tredrea with 5 men on him.
I would have White in the goal square and Tredrea as a roaming forward. I would much rather see him at Prospect though, or even at Alberton like his game last year ;)
Macca19
17 Jan 2006, 07:24
[QUOTE=Mitch Power]
I'll tell you what, Tredrea is damn lucky Bowen Lockwood's back gave out on him, because Lockwood was twice the player Tredrea ever will be.
Had Lockwood remained fit, it would be Tredrea in White's shoes now.
I dont agree with that either
crazy_big_al
17 Jan 2006, 08:11
[QUOTE=Van Der Zeevalk]
I dont agree with that either
neither Do I. But i think they would be a great one two punch. but were would Chad be now if he did keep playing??? i know he is CHB now. But would he have played as well there without playing alot of AFL footy up FWD.
u play with what u got. and we aint got Bowen
Mitch Power
18 Jan 2006, 16:26
[QUOTE=Mitch Power]
What do you expect a bloke to do in an average of 10 minutes a game?
That was fine for an old hack like me at the end of my career, with two stuffed knees and nothing to prove - but for Damon, it's pointless.Might as well just leave him at Prospect, or trade him.
I'll tell you what, Tredrea is damn lucky Bowen Lockwood's back gave out on him, because Lockwood was twice the player Tredrea ever will be.
Had Lockwood remained fit, it would be Tredrea in White's shoes now.
VDZ, like I said I hope Damon proves me wrong.
As for Lockwood, I totally agree with your comment about Lockwood having more talent than Tredrea but Tredders would still have been a star. (Bowen Lockwood could have been anything and had he stayed sound, Port would have had an awesome attack with Tredders and Lockwood to aim at.
By the way, where did you play your footy at.
Macca19
18 Jan 2006, 17:27
I dont think Lockwood would have been better than Tredrea at all. Had Tredrea not broken his hand early in 97 he probably would have played a lot more than he did.
I dont reckon Lockwood would have ever gotten to the level that Tredrea is at now. Lockwood may have become a good 2nd forward, but he was very inconsistent and he just could not put on any muscle at all - and that has nothing to do with his back injury.
He was my favourite player when on our list and probably in my top 3 Port players of all time (with Hodges and Poults) but I just cant see him having had years like Tredders did in 03 and 04.
Power21
18 Jan 2006, 21:19
Tredders year in '04 would be one of the better years for a forward for quite sometime id imagine. He was simply awesome.
Most if not all of the teams dont have Brett Ebert, i think we know the thoughts on him and the fact he hasnt had much oppurtunity to perform but could this be his last year in the AFL, or atleast in a Port guernsey? Wouldnt it be terrible to see him at west lakes.:eek:
Powerstufff
18 Jan 2006, 21:44
....Most if not all of the teams dont have Brett Ebert, i think we know the thoughts on him and the fact he hasn't had much opportunity to perform....He has had ample time. Abundant time. The thing is the more opportunity he got the more he seemed to klutz things up. Clearly an element of this is lack of confidence and feeling under pressure.
SOG presents a serious challenge to Chocco and the coaching staff to get him firing. He has too much talent to just throw away as a failed project player. However from a fan's point of view he is not first 22 based on last year's performances.
macca69
20 Jan 2006, 09:33
How close is Symes to your best 22?
Porthos
20 Jan 2006, 09:50
With Monty gone, pretty close.
With no Lonie in squad, very close.
With Lonie in squad, not sure.
Porthos
20 Jan 2006, 10:04
I know most people think otherwise, but I'm still sure Lonie will be playing at half-forward for us, not half-back.
Malibu#27
20 Jan 2006, 10:37
I know most people think otherwise, but I'm still sure Lonie will be playing at half-forward for us, not half-back.
i dont see him as a lead up forward, or a player on the end of plays ... se him more as someone used to deliver the ball into the forward line - ie on the end of a string of handballs. (From the small bits I've seen of him)
I know most people think otherwise, but I'm still sure Lonie will be playing at half-forward for us, not half-back.
If we had only traded for Lonie, I'd probably agree, but with both Lonie and Motlop you'd think either Motlop midfield or if HFF then Lonie would be for a HBF spot. Surely we paid too much for either one of them to be just for depth.
i dont see him as a lead up forward, or a player on the end of plays ... se him more as someone used to deliver the ball into the forward line - ie on the end of a string of handballs. (From the small bits I've seen of him)
And a long accurate pass or a long range shot at goal.
Porthos
20 Jan 2006, 10:44
If we had only traded for Lonie, I'd probably agree, but with both Lonie and Motlop you'd think either Motlop midfield or if HFF then Lonie would be for a HBF spot. Surely we paid too much for either one of them to be just for depth.
I dunno what Choco thinks, but I can see Motlop doing one of the following.
1) Half-back in the Monty role, as part of a transition to midfield.
2) Full-forward in a Che role (dumping Thurstans into SANFL for the year)
I'd honestly be surprised if we just played him as a half-forward; given his marking and ability in traffic are meant to be his key attributes, I expect him to be close to the goalsquare with Warren playing up the ground more.
Malibu#27 - I'm referring to Lonie as HF in the Schofield delivery role.
Malibu#27
20 Jan 2006, 11:19
Malibu#27 - I'm referring to Lonie as HF in the Schofield delivery role.
Thats the exact role I see him in - the Schoey role ... I suppose I never thought of Schoey role strictly as playing half forward .... considered him basically as playing a "wing" role.
I'll have a crack at it:-
F Pearce Pettigrew Wanganeen
HF Motlop Tredders Mahoney
C Salopek K. Cornes Dew
HB S. Burgoyne C.Cornes Walsh
B Chaplin Wakelin Wilson
1st R Brogan P. Burgoyne Cassisi
Int. Lade, Thomson, Lonie, Francou
(you know it makes sense)
macca69
20 Jan 2006, 13:30
I'll have a crack at it:-
F Pearce Pettigrew Wanganeen
HF Motlop Tredders Mahoney
C Salopek K. Cornes Dew
HB S. Burgoyne C.Cornes Walsh
B Chaplin Wakelin Wilson
1st R Brogan P. Burgoyne Cassisi
Int. Lade, Thomson, Lonie, Francou
(you know it makes sense)
here is my take on how you should lineup.
Pearce Lade Motlop
Pettigrew Tredrea Mahoney
Dew P. Burgoyne Salopek
Lonie Chaplin S Burgoyne
Wilson Wakelin Walsh
Brogan K Cornes C Cornes
Francou, Wanganeen, Cassisi, White