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sammyg77
6 Jan 2006, 19:18
Was the standout at training today for mine.
Has bulked up, he was quick, his skills were excellent (ie, placing the ball lace out on the chest to leading teammates and he was picking up some incredible half volleys), took some great grabs and kicked a few goals as well.
His skills for a big bloke are excellent. Didnt seem troubled by his shoulder and looks prime to kick the year off on a good note.
Will be handy for us if he can improve his work rate on game day and show a bit more commitment because he is a very gifted player.
mick ryan
6 Jan 2006, 19:30
Was the standout at training today for mine.
Has bulked up, he was quick, his skills were excellent (ie, placing the ball lace out on the chest to leading teammates and he was picking up some incredible half volleys), took some great grabs and kicked a few goals as well.
His skills for a big bloke are excellent. Didnt seem troubled by his shoulder and looks prime to kick the year off on a good note.
Will be handy for us if he can improve his work rate on game day and show a bit more commitment because he is a very gifted player.
Are you sure you had the right player?
Have been going to training for 5 years now and this is the best pre season he has ever had. He really is on fire atm, finally looked like his shoulders are ok for a change and is bulking up, looks to have added a yard of pace too, maybe he has found some heart and work ethic?
Thrawn666
6 Jan 2006, 20:46
Does he still have a ********in girls haircut?
wce_all_da_way
6 Jan 2006, 20:55
Maybe the best thing for NAB cup is to rotate Doogs and Smith at FF. I wanted someone rotated but if they can provide competition...:thumbsu:
otis_david
6 Jan 2006, 21:42
My boy Doogs, finally with an injury free pre season we can see the best of the Doogster and he will prove his numerous doubters wrong. Watch this space:thumbsu:
sammyg77
6 Jan 2006, 22:55
Does he still have a ********in girls haircut?
Long like a girl but he had it tied up Harry Kewell style.
Black JuJu
6 Jan 2006, 23:28
Long like a girl but he had it tied up Harry Kewell style.
yeah, that'll help the tough guy image.
theorangeapple
7 Jan 2006, 00:04
I am not going to say anything until he performs on the field.
Bestbird
7 Jan 2006, 02:36
I am not going to say anything until he performs on the field.
He performed well on the field in 2004 i thought so provided he is fully fit he should be challenging B Smith this year for the FF position
He did after all kick 35.28 as a 21 yo KPP which is a really good effort at that age although he needs to improve his kicking at goals and become a less fragile player.
Streaker
7 Jan 2006, 03:19
I am not going to say anything until he performs on the field.
Chicken.:p
hawkeye23
7 Jan 2006, 16:43
Will be handy for us if he can improve his work rate on game day and show a bit more commitment because he is a very gifted player.
It's a bloody big 'if', sadly.... :o
Good to hear.
Still, you have to wonder whether his shoulders can withstand the rigors of AFL football. Last year he only lasted a few minutes before a well aimed bump forced him from the ground and caused him problems for the rest of the season.
The hair is lookin' great. :thumbsu:
maybe we could use him at CHB, seems athletic enough and maybe strong enough now?
Thrawn666
7 Jan 2006, 20:08
Long like a girl but he had it tied up Harry Kewell style.
Thats a yes then
hawkeye23
7 Jan 2006, 20:21
Long like a girl but he had it tied up Harry Kewell style.
Oh, FFS, I wish the kid would get a fekking hair cut already! He looks more like a bloody chick than I do!
Eagles 4 Mine
8 Jan 2006, 10:32
maybe we could use him at CHB, seems athletic enough and maybe strong enough now?
In all honestly we don't need Mc Dougall playing at CHB we have enough guys to fill that void.
Mc Dougall needs to stand up as a forward or he will bacome trade bait in my opinion.
Eagles 4 Mine
8 Jan 2006, 10:36
He performed well on the field in 2004 i thought so provided he is fully fit he should be challenging B Smith this year for the FF position
He did after all kick 35.28 as a 21 yo KPP which is a really good effort at that age although he needs to improve his kicking at goals and become a less fragile player.
Unfortunately this exact thing that puts the really good players in a different catorgory to the one year wonder performers.
Oh, FFS, I wish the kid would get a fekking hair cut already! He looks more like a bloody chick than I do!
And while we're at it can Rowan Jones please dispense with that Beatles mop he's been parading around since he arrived at the club.
larrikin
9 Jan 2006, 00:18
Good to hear.
Still, you have to wonder whether his shoulders can withstand the rigors of AFL football. Last year he only lasted a few minutes before a well aimed bump forced him from the ground and caused him problems for the rest of the season.
The hair is lookin' great. :thumbsu:
To be fair to the bloke he shouldn't have been playing that game anyway - his shoulder was f#@%#d, and from memory he had another injury too.
I for one hopes Doogs makes it. Sadly over time it's changed from faith to hope.....
And while we're at it can Rowan Jones please dispense with that Beatles mop he's been parading around since he arrived at the club.
How funny is that, LOL
woosh_era
9 Jan 2006, 16:38
Was the standout at training today for mine.
Has bulked up, he was quick, his skills were excellent (ie, placing the ball lace out on the chest to leading teammates and he was picking up some incredible half volleys), took some great grabs and kicked a few goals as well.
His skills for a big bloke are excellent. Didnt seem troubled by his shoulder and looks prime to kick the year off on a good note.
Will be handy for us if he can improve his work rate on game day and show a bit more commitment because he is a very gifted player.
Did he show anything that might be interpreted as a second effort? Im a big wrap on the guys natural talent... but...
Vandenbergfan
9 Jan 2006, 18:32
In all honestly we don't need Mc Dougall playing at CHB we have enough guys to fill that void.
Mc Dougall needs to stand up as a forward or he will bacome trade bait in my opinion.
Other teams don't rate him so you wouldn't get much for a trade. Besides your club is as good as any for footballers on the scrap-heap.
In contradiction to the first post on this thread, the real reason why McDougall performs consistently poorly is not his work rate but his skills. Whilst his hands are reasonable he can't kick for nuts - the kid just isn't a natural footballer.
If you want to watch a skillful KPP next season then check out Buddy Franklin - wouldn't he make a difference to the Weagles forward line. :)
McDougall is actually pretty similar to Franklin. Both are hopeless in one-on-one marking duels, but have great pace/athleticism on the lead. Similar heights. Both were considered 'mentally immature' when they were first drafted, too.
Buddy is a lot less injury-prone, though.
The real reason why McDougall hasnt performed yet is cos he has always been injured, thats the truth of the matter, look at his shoulders in 2004, they had about 20 rolls of tape on them, Injuries have stopped him from achieving IMO, his work ethic at training is fine and his skills are also fine.
hawkeye23
9 Jan 2006, 20:14
The real reason why McDougall hasnt performed yet is cos he has always been injured, thats the truth of the matter, look at his shoulders in 2004, they had about 20 rolls of tape on them, Injuries have stopped him from achieving IMO, his work ethic at training is fine and his skills are also fine.
His work ethic in games is atrocious. You can train all you like, if it's not brought onto the field on game day, it counts for nothing.
mick ryan
9 Jan 2006, 20:18
If you want to watch a skillful KPP next season then check out Buddy Franklin - wouldn't he make a difference to the Weagles forward line. :)
If he learns to use the right side of his body he might!
mick ryan
9 Jan 2006, 20:20
McDougall is actually pretty similar to Franklin. Both are hopeless in one-on-one marking duels, but have great pace/athleticism on the lead. Similar heights. Both were considered 'mentally immature' when they were first drafted, too.
Buddy is a lot less injury-prone, though.
How can they possibly be similar when one of them is a GIRL!
larrikin
10 Jan 2006, 00:00
How can they possibly be similar when one of them is a GIRL!
Franklin fans won't like that :D
His work ethic in games is atrocious. You can train all you like, if it's not brought onto the field on game day, it counts for nothing.
There in lays the problem, the Bandy Syndrome.
mick ryan
10 Jan 2006, 17:20
Franklin fans won't like that :D
You underestimate the Franklin fans they, as do most other football followers, know that Franklin after just one season will be a far better player than McDud.
thecoastingcoaster
10 Jan 2006, 20:32
Yeah a real smart bunch on here.
This might blow your mind but McDougall did put in secound efforts and chases when he was f-u-l-l-y fit, when your playing witha bung shoulder it's just a tiny bit more difficult.
Anyway I reckon McDougall could play as Forward pocket which will get him the 3rd best defender instead of the best defender which he had in 2004.
keviewiggle
10 Jan 2006, 23:11
In any other team he would be the second or backup ruck.
We seem to forget he has performed well pinchhitting on the ball when given the chance (and fit).
It's us that are trying to turn him into a key forward due to our lack of quality KPP and a over abundance of good ruck stocks.
He ain,t on good money so I say keep him for a few years and you never know.
sydney eagle
11 Jan 2006, 16:01
Greetings Big Footy folks ! I'm new here but have been known to post on other WCE sites. My idea for mcDougall is to try him as either a forward pocket or a half forward flank; positions where he can use his pace to either lead smaller opponents to the ball, take marks and kick goals, or draw off a tall defender to let Smith or Hansen or someone else who can mark the ball have a better chance.
Lynch drops a mark
11 Jan 2006, 20:32
Greetings Big Footy folks ! I'm new here but have been known to post on other WCE sites. My idea for mcDougall is to try him as either a forward pocket or a half forward flank; positions where he can use his pace to either lead smaller opponents to the ball, take marks and kick goals, or draw off a tall defender to let Smith or Hansen or someone else who can mark the ball have a better chance.
agreed,
the forwards next year are going to have alot more room to move, as has been said by Suma there is going to be alot more one V one duals instead of the crowded forward line that we usually have
have a look at Sydney 2 pronged attack with Hall and Micky'o
we will have Smith and another forward rotating through there, eg Hunter, Judd, Gardy, Hanson, Embley, Doogs, Chick, Mckinley, army ect will all be rotated through there at certain times and depending on match ups
I watched this in play last wednesday at training and made our forward line look much more dangerous
You underestimate the Franklin fans they, as do most other football followers, know that Franklin after just one season will be a far better player than McDud.
Mick as I reckon your true identity is either Gerard N or Stanley M, your comments about McDud are pretty damning from a Perth point of view.
My view is, if you want to get a game at the AFL level, extract the digit and give your all at the WAFL level first. If you can't give 100% at the WAFL level, give someone who really gives 100% the chance in the AFL.
TheReason
12 Jan 2006, 11:08
In any other team he would be the second or backup ruck.
We seem to forget he has performed well pinchhitting on the ball when given the chance (and fit).
I've been more impressed when Lynch has gone into the ruck as a pinch-hitter as he brings more mongrel into the rucking and his "get out of my way, cause I'm barging through the midfield".
Doogs, doesn't add that.
macca69
12 Jan 2006, 11:51
I would love to see McDougall played on the wing in the NAB cup, to me he just plays s bit like a winger, probably doesn't have the defensive skills though to become a winger, but if he could work on his defensive skills then he could become a very good winger, him and Embley on the wings would be very hard to match up on. Not saying the gamble will pay off, but IMO it is definately worth a shot in the NAB cup, especially if Smith gets first dibs at FF.
Vandenbergfan
12 Jan 2006, 15:09
You'll be looking to trade him next year. The talk around these boards that McDud was worth a first round pick is, however, is just fanciful. As most of the posters on this Board have acknowledged he has little of value to offer, which is pretty much what he'll do at the side he is traded to.
I reckon you've missed the boat as well, as I reckon the Bulldogs and the Tigers would have paid a reaonable price for a KPP this year. After another ordinary year, most clubs will not be willing to pay much of a price for McDud. I hope other clubs play hardball with West Coast as well, given their well earned reputation for meanness in trades.
On the other hand if the Weagles had had a KPP of the ability of Buddy Franklin it would have won you the premiership last year. Just goes to show what unbalanced recruiting will do for you. :)
Dude, you're going to have a hard time trying to wind us up. The Hawks are a bit of a joke, and we all saw Brett Jones throw Buddy around like a rag doll twice last year.
jess-jess
12 Jan 2006, 16:24
Nah i'd prefer to play in September than have top 5 picks years in year out come October, especially as like Buzz said, when the top 5 picks get beaten by promoted rookies.
Best of luck with Buddy and the rest of your priority pick/ top 10 drafted players, hopefully it'll mean next year there won't be any more news stories about your club coming after our pick# 38 CHF like there was last year.
The forward line did look to be functioning a lot better at training on Wednesday. hopefully moving Suma to forward coach will play dividends. That and having Smith play more than 1/4 or a intra club match for the season.
It really is up to Dougs as to whether he's going to make it as a player. The forward line isn't settled yet so if he works hard he can make a spot his but if he doesn't he comes out of contract at the end of the season and a non renewal would be no-ones fault but his own.
hawkeye23
12 Jan 2006, 19:56
It really is up to Dougs as to whether he's going to make it as a player. The forward line isn't settled yet so if he works hard he can make a spot his but if he doesn't he comes out of contract at the end of the season and a non renewal would be no-ones fault but his own.
Very strongly agree. He needs to seize his opportunities and give this thing a bloody good shake this season.
sydney eagle
14 Jan 2006, 20:58
Very strongly agree. He needs to seize his opportunities and give this thing a bloody good shake this season. Agreed. It is up to McDougall to show why he should remain part of this team. I hope that he doesn't suffer any major injuries this season so that he can give it his best shot.
Big Kahuna
16 Jan 2006, 18:51
The only injury McDougall has to overcome is his pulled heart muscle the main problem with the issue is that the doctors and himself are unable to locate it. He may train like a champ but his hair cut pretty much somes up what he is like once he steps onto that field come game day.
nearlyblonde
17 Jan 2006, 17:08
I watched a 2004 game aginst Carlton on Foxtel last night. (Big win, yay!) Anyway, Dougs was playing up forward, and I was surprised to be reminded that, on his day and injury free, he really wasn`t shabby at all.
Took a couple of good marks, got involved on the ground, and but for hitting the post a couple of times, would have ended up with 4 for the day.
Maybe now that he`s fit again, we can all retain some hope that this new year will be the one in which he delivers the goods. It irks me somewhat to say that, cos I looove Q.;)
sydney eagle
18 Jan 2006, 16:12
Well with what looks like a serious injury outing Brad Smith for an indeterminate length of time NOW is the time for McDougall to put in his bid for Full Forward !