D3 Ammos

[knackers_2]

Unfortunately, Knackers thinks I have something against Old Westbourne.

...Yes Knackers, I tipped your club to win the Premiership...and I believe they still can....

If you tipped my club to win the premiership, you didn't tip Old Westbourne.

[knackers_2]

... One of the top 5 has to miss out- at this stage I think it will be Westbourne...

I'm not much of a team player if I tip against my own side to make the finals, am I old gledey?

Try reading the words, comprehending them, and then commenting - in that order.

[mcglede]

Knackers,

Please accept my most humble apologies. I understood you were an Old Westbourne player.

McGlede.

[Gavone]

What I don't like however is the two page homage to OW that we get in the Amateur Footballer every week. Simple.

You have got some serious mental issues McGlede, or should I say "Josh"?

[Johnny0nthespot]

Gavone, You couldnt fit Lee Wells into the best side at the halfway mark?

[patty O'furnicha]

Totally agree Swooper would be leading he has been awesome all year, from Paul Chalmers for his early form and maybe Trav Edwards with his recent good run and Jucka Horsborough has been consistently good?

Is this the Paul Chalmers from Bacchus Marsh?

[berzerk22]

Is this the Paul Chalmers from Bacchus Marsh?

Yes, formerly.

[iTap]

cheers to all the Kew boys who came upstairs after the game against South Melbourne for a beer, easily the best after-match turnout by an opposition club this season I reckon.

Good on ya fellers, best of luck to you.:thumbsu:

[patty O'furnicha]

Yes, formerly.

He's obviously playing some good footy going by previous posts, what possy does he play? played a bit of juniors with him and thought he was going to be a gun, didn't hear much of him once he moved on from the marsh

[tha man]

He's obviously playing some good footy going by previous posts, what possy does he play? played a bit of juniors with him and thought he was going to be a gun, didn't hear much of him once he moved on from the marsh

after he left the marsh via the jets as well i think, he came and played two years of 19's at werribee. helped us clinch the premiership in division 2 as a full forward then in divison 1 he pretty much played anywhere we needed him. whether that be ruck, centre half forward or centre half back.

is lowering his colours by playing at westbourne. but coach fabrizio did very well to get such a talent down to truganina

[Mark Harvey]

I think any of the current top 5 would by stiff to miss out. It's quite possible though that one of them will miss out with more than 10 wins.

"its possible one of the top 5 teams will finish out of the top 4", thanks for the wonderful insight zerk, where would we be with out you.......how many results are you tipping this week, 4 or 5?

[dave31]

He's obviously playing some good footy going by previous posts, what possy does he play? played a bit of juniors with him and thought he was going to be a gun, didn't hear much of him once he moved on from the marsh

Yes Patty he is a gun. Although Westbourne have only got a few games out of him this year due to injury. But hopefully he will be back for our charge for finals.

He plays HF/midfield.

[dave31]

after he left the marsh via the jets as well i think, he came and played two years of 19's at werribee. helped us clinch the premiership in division 2 as a full forward then in divison 1 he pretty much played anywhere we needed him. whether that be ruck, centre half forward or centre half back.

is lowering his colours by playing at westbourne. but coach fabrizio did very well to get such a talent down to truganina

"Lowering his colours". Interesting comment. You are obviously a Werribee bogan still cut up by the fact he left your bogan club to play down the road at Westbourne.

[knackers_2]

"Lowering his colours". Interesting comment. You are obviously a Werribee bogan still cut up by the fact he left your bogan club to play down the road at Westbourne.

Don't forget where he started - it would be difficult for 'colours' to be much lower than the Marsh.

[Gavone]

Gavone, You couldnt fit Lee Wells into the best side at the halfway mark?

It was a tough ask doing the side with 2 days notice from the VAFA. I normally take about 2 weeks doing the team of the year, consulting with clubs, coaches, readers etc. Then compile them based on my own opinions combined with the input.

The half year was therefore done hastily and on the matches I had seen this year plus the written reports received from clubs from time to time.

As such, a few were stiff to miss out. Lee was a bit stiff, but I guess in the end I skewed toward the top five teams. He will be there abouts at year end though, especially with the good form Monash are showing at the minute.

[saints]

Just spoke to a few old teammates from the districts and they are stunned that still people are doubting if they are the real deal. I think 2 games clear on top they have answered those questions. they will win the flag.
also was reading a few posts and see that there is a theme stating that the districts are overweight. well if thats true how does it feel to be smashed by overweight footballers every week.

[saints]

to the choccy mousse doing the team of the year last round. how could you put bill mcgee onball when he plays full forward.
further to the point how does little jack cronan not get in the team. 3rd on the goal kicking for the year and he is as big as a minute. still kicks goals with the above person mentioned giving him sprays each week.
big ding dong to win b & f

[mcglede]

Bzzzzzt. Sorry Mr Flower but you are wide of the mark.

You've read my earlier post. Just call it right down the line will make you a much better writer, and I'll gladly post that you're doing a good job.

Good writing, but better luck next time you try to guess a name!! :D

[berzerk22]

"its possible one of the top 5 teams will finish out of the top 4", thanks for the wonderful insight zerk, where would we be with out you.......how many results are you tipping this week, 4 or 5?

Harvs you are mis-quoting me champ. My point was that one of the 5 would miss out WITH MORE THAN TEN WINS, not that one of them would miss out! Details buddy details!

Mate the quote you put in your comment isn't even mine????? :confused:

Give me a break!

[rhino49]

Hey guys,

Who would be leading their club's B&F at this stage of the year???

I would nominate Swooper Pavez from Westbourne. He has been the most consistent so far for the side.


yer dave think 'swoop' is a cert for the b&f, but think kris miller will also poll

really really well as kicked some big bags this year.and if gazanova can

reproduce the form he is showing off the field he will win the comp b&f.

[Red Gum]

Don't forget where he started - it would be difficult for 'colours' to be much lower than the Marsh.

Ease off the Marsh testes. Any place named after a god of wine (some of you locals may refer to this substance as goon) has got to be a decent place to grow up.

[Red Gum]

Just spoke to a few old teammates from the districts and they are stunned that still people are doubting if they are the real deal. I think 2 games clear on top they have answered those questions. they will win the flag.
also was reading a few posts and see that there is a theme stating that the districts are overweight. well if thats true how does it feel to be smashed by overweight footballers every week.

It hurts more when they land on you. Sounds like the boys from Albert Park are getting a bit ahead of themselves?

[iTap]

It hurts more when they land on you. Sounds like the boys from Albert Park are getting a bit ahead of themselves?

(disclaimer) The views expressed by 'Saints' are his and his alone and are not endorsed,paid for or prompted by the South Melbourne Districts Football Club:D

[Gavone]

It hurts more when they land on you. Sounds like the boys from Albert Park are getting a bit ahead of themselves?

To be honest, the Swans have been doing very well at flying under the radar at the minute. First time in years I have not jumped onto a bandwagon of a team two games clear. They run a good PR machine down there!!

And Saints, refer to my previous posting about the team of the half year. Was a nightmare mate. I had to whip it up in a little under a day for a task I normally spend two weeks talking to people about. Thought it was not too bad under the circumstances!!

And as for you McGlede, I look forward to your glowing praise on here Friday morning (or Monday depending when you read the AF).

[iTap]

big ding dong to win b & f

Worth a punt I reckon, had a very good year the big Spide.

[madpie]

Mate, I put my team in about a week ago and it has not been published yet. Not sure if the VAFA disagreed with my choices, but more likely they just have not had the time to post it.

Therefore, you lads can be the first to see it. Let me just say, it was not an easy task, as injuries to certain players made it hard to choose them combined with the fact scribes did not have a chance to ask the readers their thoughts, which weighs heavily on the choices we make for the end of the year team.

Also, picking players in position was also difficult.

So anyway, this was the side which will be published shortly on the VAFA website and possibly this weeks AF.

B: L.Gorringe (UHS) D.Benn (OW) L.Martin (WB)
HB: B.Batters (WB) A.Banks (Bent) S.Cracknell (UHS)
C: P.Cheevers (SM) B.Irving (WB) S.Aquilina (SM)
HF: C.Horne (Kew) S.Lawry (Bent) B.Mahoney (Elst)
F: C.Sharp (Bent) M.Higgins (Swin) L.Dooley (Gry)
R G.Bell (Kew) W.Mcgee (SM) F.Pavez (OW)
Int: G.Culshaw (Elst) M.Purcell (St.M) J.Horsburgh (OW) D.Baxter (Gry)

Coach Dennis Graceits interesting that a side who is 2 games clear on top only has 3 in your team ..........

[mcglede]

Oh madpie, you have "serious issues". :D

[Red Gum]

Oh madpie, you have "serious issues". :D

Sounds to me like the pot is calling the kettle black

[Mark Harvey]

Harvs you are mis-quoting me champ. My point was that one of the 5 would miss out WITH MORE THAN TEN WINS, not that one of them would miss out! Details buddy details!

Mate the quote you put in your comment isn't even mine????? :confused:

Give me a break!

You know what was written zerk, stop back peddleing & cop your wack, it was dumb think to say, but dont worry your no robinson curuso on this thread

[Red Gum]

...it was dumb think to say, but dont worry your no robinson curuso on this thread

Is he David's brother or are you trying to prove your point?

[mcglede]

Sarcasm obviously has never been a strong point with you has it Red Gum!

[berzerk22]

You know what was written zerk, stop back peddleing & cop your wack, it was dumb think to say, but dont worry your no robinson curuso on this thread

two words for you Harvs!

SPELL CHECK. :p

[knackers_2]

two words for you Harvs!

SPELL CHECK. :p

isn't it spelled 'cheque'?

[berzerk22]

How about we get back to footy????

For what it's worth here's my top 4 at years end!

Sth
Bentleigh
Elsternwick
Old Westbourne

League B&F - Pavez OW

Any others want to contribute some thoughts?

[Red Gum]

How about we get back to footy????

For what it's worth here's my top 4 at years end!

Sth
Bentleigh
Elsternwick
Old Westbourne

League B&F - Pavez OW

Any others want to contribute some thoughts?

I'd say:

South
Bentleigh
WB
Wicks

I think Westbourne's win over South, well deserved and hard fought as it was, doesn't reflect the team's ability over the other teams competing for the four. Take nothing away from them but until they prove otherwise by beating other top 4 sides that was just one good day. They'll probably be harshly done by to miss but any of the five will.

[MotorBike Rob]

Don't forget where he started - it would be difficult for 'colours' to be much lower than the Marsh.

The swamp

[MotorBike Rob]

Lip???

Drunk surgeon naked on letterbox
[ http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupEmailArticle.pl?path=/articles/2006/06/29/1151174302805.html (http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupEmailArticle.pl?path=/articles/2006/06/29/1151174302805.html) ]Email Print Normal font Large font Natasha Wallace June 29, 2006 - 10:02AM [Image:29062006_10913_0.bmp] Witnesses Amanda Apro, top left, and Megan Campbelland surgeon Sanjay Warrier.
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The children's doctor was sitting naked on an eastern suburbs letterbox masturbating, when the two women spotted him.
They called police, who found him fully dressed at a bus station on Carr Street, Coogee, reeking of alcohol, dazed and confused early on a Saturday morning.
Sanjay Warrier, 28, had been on a drunken night out with a group of doctors and returned to an address he had lived at two years before.
He said he remembers nothing of the incident.
Yesterday a magistrate believed him, agreeing with a medical report that Dr Warrier was neither a pervert, nor had a personality disorder - just had alcohol-induced delirium.
Magistrate Brian Maloney told the Downing Centre Local Court that Dr Warrier "had much to offer society" as a skilled surgeon.
"Society as a whole will benefit from being treated under the hands of Dr Sanjay Warrier," Magistrate Maloney said.
Warrier, who lost his job at the Prince of Wales Children's Hospital when he was charged, had pleaded guilty to wilful and obscene exposure.
Two women, Megan Campbell and Amanda Apro, told police they had seen him masturbating on the letterbox while looking directly at them for about five minutes, on December 10, 2005.
The court was also told that he was naked and masturbating when the women spotted him.
But Magistrate Maloney said Warrier, of St Leonards, should not be convicted.
"He didn't even know what he was doing. What's society got to achieve by a convicting this man? Nothing," he said.
"Because if he is convicted there may well be some board ... that takes action that's unfavourable to him and he no longer practices medicine. He's done nobody harm in this offence, only himself."
Warrier was previously a resident medical officer at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital and then senior surgical resident at the Concord Hospital burns unit last year.
His former RPA colleague, Dr Kevin Ho, described him as "quietly spoken gentleman almost to the point of shyness".
Warrier no longer drinks and was very ashamed of the incident, he said.
His defence barrister, Phillip Boulten, SC, said there was a six-hour time gap that night where Warrier cannot recall anything, including withdrawing $300 from an ATM on Oxford Street.
He had drunk at least eight beers or wines at dinner before going to a nightclub in the city.
Magistrate Maloney dismissed the case.
"It's an aberration, this offence, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. He never intended to do what he did do."
"Good luck" he said to Dr Warrier.

[Mark Harvey]

Lip???

Drunk surgeon naked on letterbox
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The children's doctor was sitting naked on an eastern suburbs letterbox masturbating, when the two women spotted him.
They called police, who found him fully dressed at a bus station on Carr Street, Coogee, reeking of alcohol, dazed and confused early on a Saturday morning.
Sanjay Warrier, 28, had been on a drunken night out with a group of doctors and returned to an address he had lived at two years before.
He said he remembers nothing of the incident.
Yesterday a magistrate believed him, agreeing with a medical report that Dr Warrier was neither a pervert, nor had a personality disorder - just had alcohol-induced delirium.
Magistrate Brian Maloney told the Downing Centre Local Court that Dr Warrier "had much to offer society" as a skilled surgeon.
"Society as a whole will benefit from being treated under the hands of Dr Sanjay Warrier," Magistrate Maloney said.
Warrier, who lost his job at the Prince of Wales Children's Hospital when he was charged, had pleaded guilty to wilful and obscene exposure.
Two women, Megan Campbell and Amanda Apro, told police they had seen him masturbating on the letterbox while looking directly at them for about five minutes, on December 10, 2005.
The court was also told that he was naked and masturbating when the women spotted him.
But Magistrate Maloney said Warrier, of St Leonards, should not be convicted.
"He didn't even know what he was doing. What's society got to achieve by a convicting this man? Nothing," he said.
"Because if he is convicted there may well be some board ... that takes action that's unfavourable to him and he no longer practices medicine. He's done nobody harm in this offence, only himself."
Warrier was previously a resident medical officer at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital and then senior surgical resident at the Concord Hospital burns unit last year.
His former RPA colleague, Dr Kevin Ho, described him as "quietly spoken gentleman almost to the point of shyness".
Warrier no longer drinks and was very ashamed of the incident, he said.
His defence barrister, Phillip Boulten, SC, said there was a six-hour time gap that night where Warrier cannot recall anything, including withdrawing $300 from an ATM on Oxford Street.
He had drunk at least eight beers or wines at dinner before going to a nightclub in the city.
Magistrate Maloney dismissed the case.
"It's an aberration, this offence, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. He never intended to do what he did do."
"Good luck" he said to Dr Warrier.

ANTIAGO, Chile, July 20 (Reuters) - Workers at Chile's
Escondida, the world's biggest copper mine, said late on Thursday
talks continued with the company for a new contract but that they
need a better offer to keep them at the table.
Union Secretary Pedro Marin told Reuters by telephone the
company had shown more flexibility by inviting workers to the
negotiating table, but had fallen short of giving them a viable
counter proposal.
The union, which represents more than 2,000 workers, began
a work slowdown early this month to protest what it said was
the company's small wage increase offer in negotiations to
replace their current contract, which expires on Aug. 2.
This week, the company invited workers to resume formal
talks and workers and managers of Escondida, majority owned by
global mining giant BHP Billiton <BHP.AX> <BLT.L>, met for two
hours on Thursday and will resume talks on Friday.
"This is not white smoke, this is not victory," Marin said
by telephone as the meeting ended. He said Escondida would have
to improve its offer if an agreement is to be reached.
"Tomorrow it all starts again and if it turns out that this
is a sham, a party, a fallacy, then the negotiating table is
suspended."
The Escondida union is asking for a 13 percent raise and a
$30,000 net bonus per worker linked to the high copper price.
The company has offered a 1.5 percent raise, a bonus and
low-interest loans worth about $8,500 per worker
Marin said Escondida was trying to draft a contract deal
based on the old, 2003 deal, when copper prices were at a
fraction of current, near record prices.
With international copper warehouses showing low inventory
and demand high, markets have been keeping a keen eye on labor
negotiations at Escondida.
Escondida expects 2006 copper output to be similar to last
year's level of 1.27 million tonnes.
BHP Billiton, the world's largest miner, owns 57.5 percent of
the open-pit mine, while No. 2 Rio Tinto <RIO.AX><RIO.L> has a 30
percent stake.
Whether or not talks prosper this week, the last possible
day for the company to improve its offer is July 25, so that
workers can vote on July 28 on whether to strike.
((Reporting by Pav Jordan, editing by Jerry Kearney; Reuters
Messaging: pawel.jordan.reuters.com@reuters.net; telephone: +56 2
370-4252))
Keywords: MINERALS CHILE ESCONDIDA

Friday 21 July 2006 10:08:34 AEST

[MotorBike Rob]

ANTIAGO, Chile, July 20 (Reuters) - Workers at Chile's
Escondida, the world's biggest copper mine, said late on Thursday
talks continued with the company for a new contract but that they
need a better offer to keep them at the table.
Union Secretary Pedro Marin told Reuters by telephone the
company had shown more flexibility by inviting workers to the
negotiating table, but had fallen short of giving them a viable
counter proposal.
The union, which represents more than 2,000 workers, began
a work slowdown early this month to protest what it said was
the company's small wage increase offer in negotiations to
replace their current contract, which expires on Aug. 2.
This week, the company invited workers to resume formal
talks and workers and managers of Escondida, majority owned by
global mining giant BHP Billiton <BHP.AX> <BLT.L>, met for two
hours on Thursday and will resume talks on Friday.
"This is not white smoke, this is not victory," Marin said
by telephone as the meeting ended. He said Escondida would have
to improve its offer if an agreement is to be reached.
"Tomorrow it all starts again and if it turns out that this
is a sham, a party, a fallacy, then the negotiating table is
suspended."
The Escondida union is asking for a 13 percent raise and a
$30,000 net bonus per worker linked to the high copper price.
The company has offered a 1.5 percent raise, a bonus and
low-interest loans worth about $8,500 per worker
Marin said Escondida was trying to draft a contract deal
based on the old, 2003 deal, when copper prices were at a
fraction of current, near record prices.
With international copper warehouses showing low inventory
and demand high, markets have been keeping a keen eye on labor
negotiations at Escondida.
Escondida expects 2006 copper output to be similar to last
year's level of 1.27 million tonnes.
BHP Billiton, the world's largest miner, owns 57.5 percent of
the open-pit mine, while No. 2 Rio Tinto <RIO.AX><RIO.L> has a 30
percent stake.
Whether or not talks prosper this week, the last possible
day for the company to improve its offer is July 25, so that
workers can vote on July 28 on whether to strike.
((Reporting by Pav Jordan, editing by Jerry Kearney; Reuters
Messaging: pawel.jordan.reuters.com@reuters.net; telephone: +56 2
370-4252))
Keywords: MINERALS CHILE ESCONDIDA

Friday 21 July 2006 10:08:34 AEST

Put that in your footy record!

[knackers_2]

ANTIAGO, Chile, July 20 (Reuters) - Workers at Chile's
Escondida, the world's biggest copper mine, said late on Thursday
talks continued with the company for a new contract but that they
need a better offer to keep them at the table.
Union Secretary Pedro Marin told Reuters by telephone the
company had shown more flexibility by inviting workers to the
negotiating table, but had fallen short of giving them a viable
counter proposal.
The union, which represents more than 2,000 workers, began
a work slowdown early this month to protest what it said was
the company's small wage increase offer in negotiations to
replace their current contract, which expires on Aug. 2.
This week, the company invited workers to resume formal
talks and workers and managers of Escondida, majority owned by
global mining giant BHP Billiton <BHP.AX> <BLT.L>, met for two
hours on Thursday and will resume talks on Friday.
"This is not white smoke, this is not victory," Marin said
by telephone as the meeting ended. He said Escondida would have
to improve its offer if an agreement is to be reached.
"Tomorrow it all starts again and if it turns out that this
is a sham, a party, a fallacy, then the negotiating table is
suspended."
The Escondida union is asking for a 13 percent raise and a
$30,000 net bonus per worker linked to the high copper price.
The company has offered a 1.5 percent raise, a bonus and
low-interest loans worth about $8,500 per worker
Marin said Escondida was trying to draft a contract deal
based on the old, 2003 deal, when copper prices were at a
fraction of current, near record prices.
With international copper warehouses showing low inventory
and demand high, markets have been keeping a keen eye on labor
negotiations at Escondida.
Escondida expects 2006 copper output to be similar to last
year's level of 1.27 million tonnes.
BHP Billiton, the world's largest miner, owns 57.5 percent of
the open-pit mine, while No. 2 Rio Tinto <RIO.AX><RIO.L> has a 30
percent stake.
Whether or not talks prosper this week, the last possible
day for the company to improve its offer is July 25, so that
workers can vote on July 28 on whether to strike.
((Reporting by Pav Jordan, editing by Jerry Kearney; Reuters
Messaging: pawel.jordan.reuters.com@reuters.net; telephone: +56 2
370-4252))
Keywords: MINERALS CHILE ESCONDIDA

Friday 21 July 2006 10:08:34 AEST

Clown gang terrorise park-goers

From: Reuters


July 18, 2006


POLICE were on the lookout for members of a machete-wielding gang in angry clown make-up after a rampage of robbery and violence that left nearly two dozen people injured in a park in western Washington state.
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Prosecutors in Pierce County south of Seattle charged three people with assault and robbery, but police in the City of Lakewood said they are searching for another eight to 10 suspects who took part.

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[MotorBike Rob]

This chick can be found at most Kew functions:

Gone to the dogs: the girl who ran with the pack

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/18/svMALAYA_narrowweb__300x187,0.jpg A grown-up Oxana Malaya demonstrates her bark for the camera.




SHE bounds along on all fours through long grass, panting with her tongue hanging out. When she reaches the tap she paws at the ground, drinks noisily with her jaws wide open and lets the water cascade over her head.
Up to this point, you think the young woman could be acting — but the moment she shakes her head and neck free of droplets, exactly like a dog when it emerges from a swim, you get a creepy sense that this is something beyond imitation. Then she barks.
The furious sound she makes is not like a human being pretending to be a dog. It is a proper, chilling, canine-like burst of aggression and it is coming from the mouth of a young woman dressed in T-shirt and shorts.
This is 23-year-old Oxana Malaya reverting to behaviour she learnt as a young child when she was brought up by a pack of dogs on a rundown farm near the village of Novaya Blagoveschenka in Ukraine. When she showed her boyfriend what she once was and what she could still do — the barking, the whining, the four-footed running — he took fright. It was a party trick that went too far and the relationship ended.
Miss Malaya is a feral child, one of only about 100 known in the world. The story goes that, when she was three, her indifferent, alcoholic parents left her outside one night and she crawled into a hovel where they kept dogs. No one came to look for her or even seemed to notice she was gone, so she stayed where there was warmth and food — raw meat and scraps — forgetting what it was to be human, losing what toddler's language she had and learning to survive as a member of the pack.
A shameful five years later, a neighbour reported a child living with animals. When she was found, at the age of eight in 1991, Oxana could hardly speak and ran around on all fours barking.
Though she must have seen humans at a distance, and seems occasionally to have entered the family house like a stray, they were no longer her species.
Judging from the complete lack of documentation about her physical and psychological state when found, the authorities were not keen to record her case — neglect on this scale was too shameful to acknowledge — even though it has been of huge and continuing interest to psychologists who believe feral children can help resolve the nature-nurture debate.
What is known about "the Dog Girl" has been passed down orally, through doctors and carers. "She was like a small animal. She walked on all fours. She ate like a dog," is about as scientific as it gets.

Last month, British child psychologist Lyn Fry, an expert on feral children, went to Ukraine with a Channel Four film crew to meet Miss Malaya, who now lives in a home for the mentally disabled. Five years after a Discovery Channel program about her, they wanted to see if she had integrated into society. Ms Fry wanted to find out how far the girl was still damaged — and to see a reunion with her father.
"I expected someone much less human," says Ms Fry, the first non-Ukrainian expert to meet Oxana. "I'd heard stories that she could fly off the handle, that she was very unco-operative, that she was socially inept, but she did everything I asked of her.
"Her language is odd. She speaks flatly as though it's an order. There is no cadence or rhythm or music to her speech, no inflection or tone. But she has a sense of humour. She likes to be the centre of attention, to make people laugh. Showing off is quite a surprising skill when you consider her background. In the film, Miss Malaya looks unco-ordinated and tomboyish. When she walks, you notice her strange stomping gait and swinging shoulders, the intermittent squint and misshapen teeth. Like a dog with a bone, her first instinct is to hide anything she is given. She is only 1.52 metres tall but when she fools about with her friends, pushing and shoving, there is a palpable air of menace and brute strength. The oddest thing is how little attention she pays to her pet mongrel. "Sometimes, she pushed it away," says Ms Fry. "She was much more orientated to people."
After a series of cognitive tests, Ms Fry concluded that Miss Malaya had the mental capacity of a six-year-old and a dangerously low boredom threshold. She can count but not add up. She cannot read or spell her name correctly. She has learning difficulties, but she is not autistic, as children brought up by animals are sometimes assumed to be.
Experts agree that unless a child learns to speak by the age of five, the brain misses its chance to acquire language, a defining characteristic of being human. Miss Malaya was able to learn to talk again because she had some childish speech before she was abandoned. At an orphanage school, they taught her to walk upright, to eat with her hands and, crucially, to talk.
Through an interpreter, Miss Malaya tells Ms Fry that her mother and father "completely forgot about me". They argued and shouted. Her mother would hit her and she would pee herself in terror. She says she still goes off by herself into the woods when she is upset. Although she knows it is socially unacceptable to bark, she certainly can.
Miss Malaya seems to be happy looking after cows at the Baraboy Clinic's insalubrious farm, outside Odessa. "It was dirty, terribly rundown and primitive," says Ms Fry, "but in Ukrainian terms, very desirable. Her carers are good people with the best interests of their charges at heart, though there is no therapy as such. Oxana is doing things she is good at."
It was here that the reunion with her father was staged a few weeks ago.
In the film, they stand awkwardly apart and it is ages before anyone speaks. Miss Malaya breaks the silence. "Hello," she says. "I have come," replies her father. The exchange is moving in its halting formality. "I thank you that you have come. I wanted you to see me milk the cows."
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[mcglede]

After reading the posts of today, do you really think it is me that has serious issues Mr Flower?? :D

[knackers_2]

After reading the posts of today, do you really think it is me that has serious issues Mr Flower?? :D

You're right mcglede - those Chilean miners really have got some serious issues

[MotorBike Rob]

You're right mcglede - those Chilean miners really have got some serious issues

Maybe we could arrange a date with Dog Girl for your McGlede??

You, Flower and Dog Girl on all fours....

maybe even a bit of Lip??

[berzerk22]

Any chance of having some discussion about footy?

As interesting as totally random funny news stories are to read!

[Mark Harvey]

Any chance of having some discussion about footy?

As interesting as totally random funny news stories are to read!

we would if you had even half an idea, but its obvious from your postings you dont,

[berzerk22]

we would if you had even half an idea, but its obvious from your postings you dont,

So much hostility Mark. :eek:

Try tai chi you tool!!!! :cool:

As for footy discussion, feel free to blow me away at any time with your footy related knowledge, rather than boring me to tears with cut and paste news stories!

Im pretty sure even my 'half an idea' is better than your 'no idea'.

Then again we could continue to share our favorite news stories to cover up our inadequacies in the area of footy???

Couldnt we Mark? (if thats your real name??)

[mcglede]

Mr Flower,

I said that I would give credit where credit is due and I am a man of my word.

There was no overhyping OW, no using nicknames, so all was good.

BUT (hey come on, there's always a but...) I'll watch with interest to see if the nicknames and excessive praise returns or stays away when OW win.

But for now - That's Tops! :)

[MotorBike Rob]

So much hostility Mark. :eek:

Try tai chi you tool!!!! :cool:

As for footy discussion, feel free to blow me away at any time with your footy related knowledge, rather than boring me to tears with cut and paste news stories!

Im pretty sure even my 'half an idea' is better than your 'no idea'.

Then again we could continue to share our favorite news stories to cover up our inadequacies in the area of footy???

Couldnt we Mark? (if thats your real name??)

your WingDings dont scare me (maybe your name does though? I'm not sure, ill have to get back to you on that.....)

Is Mark a Deer with no eyes????

[collinsr]

It would appear that the Warriors most hated side has thrown them a life-line

[Old Warrior]

It would appear that the Warriors most hated side has thrown them a life-line

Werribee lost to Williamstown on Saturday??

[Gavone]

I just thought I would make mention to all readers of this forum about the tragic injury sustained to a good mate of mine (and this forum) in Old Warrior during the weekend's match against UHS-VU.

He dislocated his shoulder playing the game of his life up forward, after kicking six goals and tripling his career tally!!

Here is hoping for a speedy recovery Platters and that should the Warriors make it, they can give you a fitting farewell to VAFA football (unless of course you can cut yourself loose of those apron strings and play another year in Club 18 with me and the boys!!)

I am sure all in this forum (even you McGlede) would echo these sentiments.

[*Crash*]

A dislocated shoulder is hardly "tragic" Gav.

[Gavone]

A dislocated shoulder is hardly "tragic" Gav.

Agreed, however, it is when it (possibly) ends a 200 game career.

[The Hunter]

Or when you get a dodgy decision on 99. Tragic.

Can anyone shed any light on the rumour that Tony Boice has been filling in for UHS 2's?

[Pat Bateman]

Can anyone shed any light on the rumour that Tony Boice has been filling in for UHS 2's?

Umpired the ressies on Saturday. Even paid a couple of free kicks against UH. I thought he retired from playing on a high after kicking three on a prominent OW identity a few years ago.

[mcglede]

I think we all can Mr Flower, however I think that there was no need to use my name in that fashion.

Under no circumstances would I want to see a player of any club get injured. Amateur level it must be remembered that these players have jobs and football injuries can have a disastrous impact on the way they can perform their jobs.

For a scribe with 'ethics' Mr Flower, that's a poor jibe on your part.:thumbsd:

[Gavone]

I think we all can Mr Flower, however I think that there was no need to use my name in that fashion.

Under no circumstances would I want to see a player of any club get injured. Amateur level it must be remembered that these players have jobs and football injuries can have a disastrous impact on the way they can perform their jobs.

For a scribe with 'ethics' Mr Flower, that's a poor jibe on your part.:thumbsd:

For someone who has been constantly stirring the pot on here for the past 6 months, I think you of all people could be able to intepret a tounge-in-cheek comment McGlede.

As for the Boycey comment, nice one Pat. I seem to remember this prominant Warrior had also just had an all night bender after failing a Tax Exam and went straight from the pub to the ground as the team was short.

While on Tony, the guy has been pretty crook with heart problems so good to see him back on the paddock and now paying frees to opposition clubs as well!! Well done Boycey!!

[mcglede]

Regardless, it was uneccessary to associate my name with that Mr Flower, and you know that.

I do not go around sticking pins in voodoo dolls and hope that players dislocate shoulers or break legs. I wish your injured player all the best in his recovery.

[Red Gum]

Regardless, it was uneccessary to associate my name with that Mr Flower, and you know that.

I do not go around sticking pins in voodoo dolls and hope that players dislocate shoulers or break legs. I wish your injured player all the best in his recovery.

What are you on? Your posts make less sense than some of mine!

[Krusty]

Who does everyone think will snag that fourth spot on the ladder?

Old Westbourne or West Brunswick?

Personally, I think both clubs will be making up the numbers anyway, as I think the grand finalists will come from South, Wicks and Bentleigh.

Thoughts?

[Mark Harvey]

Who does everyone think will snag that fourth spot on the ladder?

Old Westbourne or West Brunswick?

Personally, I think both clubs will be making up the numbers anyway, as I think the grand finalists will come from South, Wicks and Bentleigh.

Thoughts?

I think your a tanker krusty

[reilly]

I think your a tanker krusty
fellas just wondering if there is any chance of talk of some footy here? or are your teams losing?...seem to have noticed that the boys from westbourne have gone extremly quiete on this forum, is that because they have finally figured out they are not much chop? and not as good as they think they are ? whats everyone thoughts of the match of the season this week...sth melb vs elsternwick?

[FREDWA49]

fellas just wondering if there is any chance of talk of some footy here? or are your teams losing?...seem to have noticed that the boys from westbourne have gone extremly quiete on this forum, is that because they have finally figured out they are not much chop? and not as good as they think they are ? whats everyone thoughts of the match of the season this week...sth melb vs elsternwick?

Wicks were pretty good on Sat with so many still missing, but South at home are a different story. Top 3 are set, minor flag to South, OW v WB in 2 weeks to decide 4th spot. OW have gone quiet as D3 is a certainty in 2007, maybe all this spruiking earlier in the season about a club on the way up was a bit premature...South and the Wicks travelling very well with no school feeder, crap facilities and sweet fa help from their respective councils...District Clubs surviving good for footy !!!
:cool:

[MotorBike Rob]

fellas just wondering if there is any chance of talk of some footy here? or are your teams losing?...seem to have noticed that the boys from westbourne have gone extremly quiete on this forum, is that because they have finally figured out they are not much chop? and not as good as they think they are ? whats everyone thoughts of the match of the season this week...sth melb vs elsternwick?

a local stole their computers...

[Fidel]

Not knowing much about D3 and the clubs involved I thought it was interesting that Elsterwick are second on the ladder and heading towards the finals but only had 15 players on the track last night. Is this the norm in D3, if not where were the rest of the team?

[Peter Hoare]

Not knowing much about D3 and the clubs involved I thought it was interesting that Elsterwick are second on the ladder and heading towards the finals but only had 15 players on the track last night. Is this the norm in D3, if not where were the rest of the team?

would you train on their sh%thole?

[reilly]

Not knowing much about D3 and the clubs involved I thought it was interesting that Elsterwick are second on the ladder and heading towards the finals but only had 15 players on the track last night. Is this the norm in D3, if not where were the rest of the team?

who knows maybe injuries perhaps? rumour has it that they have had no luck with injuries? not sure... not invovled with the club. must say shocking ground aswell. my tip is that they will knock off souths this week, as i have seen them last week knock off west brunswick in easy fashion, should really have been a 14-15 goal win if it wasnt for inacuracy.

[Old Warrior]

OW have gone quiet as D3 is a certainty in 2007, maybe all this spruiking earlier in the season about a club on the way up was a bit premature...
:cool:

Not premature at all Fred - the club is still positioned in the heart of one of Melbourne's biggest growth areas, our juniors are still going strong and our facilities are still the best in D3 (and better than most of the other D grades for that matter).

Our fate lies in our own hands for the rest of the season as we play three out of the top five in the remaining games. In saying that though, we need to beat these teams in the finals to win the premiership so it will be a good test to see what we are this year, contenders or pretenders, as all but one side will be at seasons end.

On another note, now we're three quarters through the year does anyone have a tip on who they think is a chance for the comp B and F. After playing E'wick twice I could comfortably say that Mahoney #14 would have polled in both games. Anyone else have any thoughts?

[Archangel17]

(and better than most of the other D grades for that matter).????You are kidding me arent you? i think most of us could name plenty better not to mention the windtunnel that occasionally resembles a football field.

Ok you want me to name them
Peninsula(with their new facilities)
La Trobe
Old Carey(one of the best in the whole comp except when they have bad school clashes)
Ivanhoe
Powerhouse( if you include the function center-dont mind if you count out this one.)
Bulleen Temp(old but far more comfortable with better ground)

any other takers??
D3 i will give you ,but have not seen a few of these clubs for a while.

[GoesBangFrom50]

[quote=MotorBike Rob]a local stole their computers...

So what is this comment supposed to mean or refer to?

[big_man]

Not premature at all Fred - the club is still positioned in the heart of one of Melbourne's biggest growth areas, our juniors are still going strong and our facilities are still the best in D3 (and better than most of the other D grades for that matter).

Our fate lies in our own hands for the rest of the season as we play three out of the top five in the remaining games. In saying that though, we need to beat these teams in the finals to win the premiership so it will be a good test to see what we are this year, contenders or pretenders, as all but one side will be at seasons end.

On another note, now we're three quarters through the year does anyone have a tip on who they think is a chance for the comp B and F. After playing E'wick twice I could comfortably say that Mahoney #14 would have polled in both games. Anyone else have any thoughts?

i'd agree ow have the best facilities.. but it looks a pretty ordinary venue to play at - the grounds in the middle of nothing.

I reckon Aquilina from Sths might win the league b&f

[iTap]

I reckon Aquilina from Sths might win the league b&f

Should go OK I reckon...also Souths ground has held up really well this year, easily has the best centre square area in the comp!

[Red Gum]

[quote=MotorBike Rob]a local stole their computers...

So what is this comment supposed to mean or refer to?

I don't want to appear to be supporting the bikies assertion but I thought it was fairly clear he was implicating the locals of Westbourne in criminal enterprise, hence the OW boys being quiet on the forum.

[Red Gum]

Should go OK I reckon...also Souths ground has held up really well this year, easily has the best centre square area in the comp!

Certainly better than the concrete pitch at Monash, the Elsternwick farce, or the Kew bog. Boycey park seems to be in decent nick.

[big_man]

fellas just wondering if there is any chance of talk of some footy here? or are your teams losing?...seem to have noticed that the boys from westbourne have gone extremly quiete on this forum, is that because they have finally figured out they are not much chop? and not as good as they think they are ? whats everyone thoughts of the match of the season this week...sth melb vs elsternwick?

could well be match of the season.. and possibly the gf preview?? sths will be very tough to beat at home but i hear theyre not travelling too well with injuries. so i reckon elsternwick might just get up

[Johnny0nthespot]

Now that Kew is safe from relegation id say they are certainties for the magoos flag. Its time to drop Wesley Death back into the side!

[sidewinder]

Not knowing much about D3 and the clubs involved I thought it was interesting that Elsterwick are second on the ladder and heading towards the finals but only had 15 players on the track last night. Is this the norm in D3, if not where were the rest of the team?

Well, they have access to a private pool/spa & gym at a Docklands Apartment complex. They have sponsorship from a gym. Physios are busy on Tuesdays and they also do Boxercize.

[big_man]

Well, they have access to a private pool/spa & gym at a Docklands Apartment complex. They have sponsorship from a gym. Physios are busy on Tuesdays and they also do Boxercize.

So does this mean 70% of Elsternwick players are injured?

[berzerk22]

Now that Kew is safe from relegation id say they are certainties for the magoos flag. Its time to drop Wesley Death back into the side!

Is that the same Wesley Death that lagged in an opponent at the tribunal a few weeks ago? Resulting in a 2 week penalty!

Was he just mad that his team had just been belted AGAIN????

Very un-Australian Wes ... VERY!

[Johnny0nthespot]

Is Wes struggling to make the transition from top side to bottom side?
How's he been travelling in the seniors?

[matera30]

west brunswick is no chance as long as hilton is playing in the ones

he is an absolutely shocking footballer, him getting a regular game says something about [a] the coach's judgement and [b] the quality of playing down at west

[Peter Hoare]

west brunswick is no chance as long as hilton is playing in the ones

he is an absolutely shocking footballer, him getting a regular game says something about [a] the coach's judgement and [b] the quality of playing down at west

You're a tosser with no idea

[oldtimer]

Is Wes struggling to make the transition from top side to bottom side?
How's he been travelling in the seniors?

Death has been injured (pardon the pun) and will resume in the 1's tomorrow. To the Westborne guy - your player shouldn't have hit him. Take the 2 and move on!!!!

[matera30]

You're a tosser with no idea

disagree that hilton is suspect?

[Red Gum]

Is that Paris Hilton?

If that's the quality of the quality at WB maybe I'll head down myself.

[mcglede]

You have to love someone calling himself 'Peter Hoare' calling someone else a 'tosser'!!:D

[sidewinder]

So does this mean 70% of Elsternwick players are injured?

Naaah, probably more like 80%.

[espresso]

Naaah, probably more like 80%.

I can't believe how much you Elsternwick blokes carry on like your the most hard done by club in footy!! Teams like Kew have had half a side to pick from all year, Souths had more than 12 walk up starts out last week and fielded most of their 2's in both games, Bentleigh lost almost all of their big blokes and half of their engine room for some key games... the list goes on... Play with what you have and stop crying!

[berzerk22]

Death has been injured (pardon the pun) and will resume in the 1's tomorrow. To the Westborne guy - your player shouldn't have hit him. Take the 2 and move on!!!!

From the Westbourne guy ...........

We have moved on ...... into 3rd actually. (Just ahead of Kew i think?)

And nothing excuses a lagger! NOTHING!

[oldtimer]

From the Westbourne guy ...........

We have moved on ...... into 3rd actually. (Just ahead of Kew i think?)

And nothing excuses a lagger! NOTHING!

That is why you guys from Old Westbourne are very good at accepting mediocrity. You are bragging about 3rd place. You have been in the ammos since 1991 and never ventured further than D3. What an accomplishment!!!

Concentrate on your own club as they rise to 3rd place in D3 rather than worrying about whose dobbing on who!!

Lagging is an accepted past time when you are dealing with a club that you dislike immensly. Good Luck with the rest of the year considering you are playing 3 of the top 5 sides in the last 4 games. I lOok forward to seeing you again in D3 next year. That will then be 16 years and only rising to D3.

[espresso]

Let's wait to hear why the Wikkers lost to South. I'm sure there's a great story/excuse.

Great win to St Mary's. Well done boys.:thumbsu:

[Old Warrior]

That is why you guys from Old Westbourne are very good at accepting mediocrity. You are bragging about 3rd place. You have been in the ammos since 1991 and never ventured further than D3. What an accomplishment!!!
Lagging is an accepted past time when you are dealing with a club that you dislike immensly.

People in glass houses....... You are correct, OW haven't ventured further than D3 since 1991. However, since the late 80's early 90's Kew have gone from playing A grade to D3 so when talking about mediocrity you need to have a look in the mirror.

As for disliking immensely, most of our club don't mind the boys from Kew. We've had some cracking games with them over the past three seasons in both seniors, reserves and U/19's and I thought there was a level of respect there. Perhaps new players to Kew like yourself and Wes are working hard to bring respect levels down.

[reilly]

I can't believe how much you Elsternwick blokes carry on like your the most hard done by club in footy!! Teams like Kew have had half a side to pick from all year, Souths had more than 12 walk up starts out last week and fielded most of their 2's in both games, Bentleigh lost almost all of their big blokes and half of their engine room for some key games... the list goes on... Play with what you have and stop crying!
ohhh espresso you are a dead set clown. only reason that kew have half a side to pick from is because they play alot of there seniors plays in the reserves to try and win a flag, therefore having useless 2's players playing in the ones.Wow the 2's won a flag how exciting, but seniors are close to relagation..awesome!! also you say about elsternwick "play with what you have and stop crying" obviuosly they are playing with what they have got otherswise they wouldnt be turning up on a saturday to play. ahhh im smart arnt i!! my tip for you is to pull your head son

[the_saint]

Let's wait to hear why the Wikkers lost to South. I'm sure there's a great story/excuse.

Great win to St Mary's. Well done boys.:thumbsu:
Thanks espresso. I'll pass on your kind words.
I may be wrong, but it's a little bit suspect that Monash are going well in the twos and are playing like a pack of no hopers in the ones. Again.
Regarding South's injuries - how can most of the two's players be playing both games on a Saturday? Are they fronting up for back-to-back matches, or are there two reserves teams that alternate week to week, giving Souths 40 reserves and 20 senior players, plus extras?

[the_saint]

... Play with what you have and stop crying!

I agree that everyone should stop whining about injuries - it's clear that all of the top 5 sides are missing a few key players, and some of the bottom sides are missing more than their fair share of big names. that's why most clubs don't have just 44 registered players each season

[berzerk22]

That is why you guys from Old Westbourne are very good at accepting mediocrity. You are bragging about 3rd place. You have been in the ammos since 1991 and never ventured further than D3. What an accomplishment!!!

Concentrate on your own club as they rise to 3rd place in D3 rather than worrying about whose dobbing on who!!

Lagging is an accepted past time when you are dealing with a club that you dislike immensly. Good Luck with the rest of the year considering you are playing 3 of the top 5 sides in the last 4 games. I lOok forward to seeing you again in D3 next year. That will then be 16 years and only rising to D3.

It's interesting you used the word 'bragging' when all i mentioned was we had moved on to 3rd (away from your lowly ladder position!). Not that we had conquered the Amateur football world as we know it. Maybe it's just your abit touchy about your current ladder position.

I'd be very interested to know if the rest of the forum considers it an 'accepted past time' to lag in players from clubs YOU dont like????

btw - if the old saying is true, "You're only as good as your last game". You guys must be TERRIBLE!

Stop worrying about other teams and make sure you dont get relegated. Or perhaps you could keep focussing on scaling the dizzy heights of the D3 RESERVES ladder.

Enjoy your footy trip mate, or are you already on it????

[Johnny0nthespot]

Thanks espresso. I'll pass on your kind words.
I may be wrong, but it's a little bit suspect that Monash are going well in the twos and are playing like a pack of no hopers in the ones. Again.
Regarding South's injuries - how can most of the two's players be playing both games on a Saturday? Are they fronting up for back-to-back matches, or are there two reserves teams that alternate week to week, giving Souths 40 reserves and 20 senior players, plus extras?
Thats a bit harsh on Monash. They should have beaten South and OW in the last 2 weeks. And before that pushed WB and Wickers all the way. St Marys were ultra impressive on the weekend. Monash had nothing to play for.

[tigers]

The games in which kew have been playing with OW seems to be ever increasing, from the letting in which our club also received warnings about there prime players and things involving there game.

OW, would be dirty on this... but this should not worry them, old west you boys need to stop playing games on this site and get yourselves together... it seems some of the better players can be associated with the recent poor form? Lever, Pavez and chalmers have been very quiet of recent times??

There is only a spot for, 4 teams i suppose now it will come down to who wants it more and from all reports it seems old west are happy to stay in D3....

It's interesting you used the word 'bragging' when all i mentioned was we had moved on to 3rd (away from your lowly ladder position!). Not that we had conquered the Amateur football world as we know it. Maybe it's just your abit touchy about your current ladder position.

I'd be very interested to know if the rest of the forum considers it an 'accepted past time' to lag in players from clubs YOU dont like????

btw - if the old saying is true, "You're only as good as your last game". You guys must be TERRIBLE!

Stop worrying about other teams and make sure you dont get relegated. Or perhaps you could keep focussing on scaling the dizzy heights of the D3 RESERVES ladder.

Enjoy your footy trip mate, or are you already on it????

[berzerk22]

The games in which kew have been playing with OW seems to be ever increasing, from the letting in which our club also received warnings about there prime players and things involving there game.

OW, would be dirty on this... but this should not worry them, old west you boys need to stop playing games on this site and get yourselves together... it seems some of the better players can be associated with the recent poor form? Lever, Pavez and chalmers have been very quiet of recent times??

There is only a spot for, 4 teams i suppose now it will come down to who wants it more and from all reports it seems old west are happy to stay in D3....





recent poor form???? 2 x 100 point wins. Do your homework Tiger!

Might want to check the best recently too mate. Chalmers in best last 2 weeks, Pavez flying, probably in front in club b&f and Lever out with a broken thumb.

Why even chime in on a conversation topic you clearly know nothing about!

Be careful or we could end up 2 divisions apart next year!?!??!