Prolific songwriters.

[Olmy]

Who are some of your favourite prolific song-writers?

Some of mine would be:

Paul Simon
R.E.M.
Billy Corgan
Paul McCartney

Perhaps we could have a discussion about some of the names that are brought up.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Olmy
Who are some of your favourite prolific song-writers?

Some of mine would be:

Paul Simon
R.E.M.
Billy Corgan
Paul McCartney

Perhaps we could have a discussion about some of the names that are brought up.

Trent Reznor - wrote, performed, recorded, mixed and produced 3 of the 90s best albums, 1 of the 90s best EPs. Not to mention writing, performing, mixing and producing the Natural Born Killers Sound track, and wrote and performed the music and all the noises on the original Quake.
In his sparetime he also helped mix and produce one of the greatest albums of all time - Marilyn Mansons 'Antichrist Superstar'.
Truly a musical genius...and God.

Liam Howlett - another musical genius.....the man behind The Prodigy. The man who has written and performed every Prodigy song there is by himself. The man is a genius.

Paul Simon is also high on my list.
Mark Knopfler is also extremly high on my list - my hero...the man i wanted to be when i grew up. Lead singer, guitarist of Dire Straits and arguably the most talented guitarist ever.

and strangely enough i have high respect for Neil Diamond as well, despite loathing him (seeing as my mum is his biggest fan and i was forced to grow up on his music)...i respect him a lot and think he has written some very good songs (like Sweet Caroline, Cherry Cherry etc)

[jod23]

Trent Reznor is in no way a musical genius....musical genius are words spoken only when referring to ppl like Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton etc etc.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23
Trent Reznor is in no way a musical genius....musical genius are words spoken only when referring to ppl like Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton etc etc.

there is more to the musical world than just your 'Pop'/'rock n roll' Jod. Maybe one day youll open your eyes and realise that.

How many NIN songs have you heard?? Im guessing not that many.
Maybe you should buy The Fragile and try and tell me it isnt an amazing piece of work!

[jod23]

NIN need help, just my opinion...

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23
NIN need help, just my opinion...

Yes - by that statement im guessing youve heard maybe 2 NIN songs in your whole life.
As i said buy The Fragile...or Download songs like 'The Frail' 'The Wretched' 'Into The Void' 'The Great Below' and tell me it isnt great music.

and as YOU said yourself in a seperate thread - just because you dont like a style of music doesnt mean its crap - maybe you should take your own advice Jod.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23
NIN need help, just my opinion...

just another thing Jod - explain what you mean they need help. How do they need help.

And tell me Jod - which NIN songs have you heard before???

[Olmy]

Originally posted by jod23
Trent Reznor is in no way a musical genius....musical genius are words spoken only when referring to ppl like Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton etc etc.

According to who? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[jod23]

Originally posted by Macca19


Yes - by that statement im guessing youve heard maybe 2 NIN songs in your whole life.
As i said buy The Fragile...or Download songs like 'The Frail' 'The Wretched' 'Into The Void' 'The Great Below' and tell me it isnt great music.

and as YOU said yourself in a seperate thread - just because you dont like a style of music doesnt mean its crap - maybe you should take your own advice Jod.

Listen man its just my opinion, Trent Reznor is in no way shape or form a musical genius.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23


Listen man its just my opinion, Trent Reznor is in no way shape or form a musical genius.

and im asking you which NIN songs youve actually heard before to make that informed opinion?

[jod23]

Originally posted by Macca19


and im asking you which NIN songs youve actually heard before to make that informed opinion?

I was a NIN fan i could tell you there names but the band sucks so i dont know there names. Ive seen plenty of there songs on Rage before and ive heard there **** a few times as a few friends have a couple of different albums....they suck and he isnt a musical genius...once again my opinion.

[Desredandwhite]

*sigh* Thumbs up from me for Trent Reznor. IMHO his albums work best AS albums. Individual songs are never really that brilliant, but as a body of work, I think he produces great albums. Some take a bit of getting into, and it's certainly not for everyone. But the man knows how to play with layers and moods!

Some of my other favourites (which is not to say they are "great" by anyone else's definition!) are:

Johns Linnell and Flansburgh - They Might Be Giants
Ed Robertson & Steven Page - Barenaked Ladies
Jodi Phillis & Trish Young - Clouds
James Hetfield & Lars Ulrich - Metallica
Kurt Cobain - Nirvana
Billy Corgan - Smashing Pumpkins
E - Eels
Deborah Gibson

Each of these songwriters have written stuff that speaks to me over at least 3 albums' worth of material each.

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by Olmy
Paul McCartney


Who's that?! -Sophie :rolleyes:, air-head blonde from Bardot (not bad on the eyes none the less!)

[The Hitman]

Grinspoon
Lennon/McCartney
Trent Reznor (I hear ya Macca! ;))
E from the Eels
Eddie Vedder
Kurt Cobain
Radiohead
Billy Corgan
Bob Dylan

Just my opinion...more to come I'm sure

The Hitman

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by The Hitman
Grinspoon
Lennon/McCartney
Trent Reznor (I hear ya Macca! ;))
E from the Eels
Eddie Vedder
Kurt Cobain
Radiohead
Billy Corgan
Bob Dylan

Just my opinion...more to come I'm sure

The Hitman

Grinspoon??:confused: :( Do you mean the how many times can we play the one riff Grinspoon??

[Beausgirl43]

Lennon and McCartney

cheers...Kaz :)

[The Hitman]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Grinspoon??:confused: :( Do you mean the how many times can we play the one riff Grinspoon??

Does it say guitar riff? No, it says song writers. :o

By the way, I hear that guy from 'Where's the Pope' ain't a bad song writer... ;)

The Hitman

[The Hitman]

Forgot Jeff Buckley and Maynard James Keenan.

The Hitman

[lioness]

Brian Wilson
Van Dyke Parks
Roger Christian
Gary Usher
Jan Berry

That bunch, in various combinations, are awesome.

John Lennon/Paul McCartney
Burt Bacharach (with Hal David and with others)
Robert Lamm
Julian Lennon
James Taylor
Carole King
Neil Diamond

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by The Hitman


Does it say guitar riff? No, it says song writers. :o

By the way, I hear that guy from 'Where's the Pope' ain't a bad song writer... ;)

The Hitman

Mate that guys a prolific drinker, songwriter second;)
What I meant about grinspoon is that, I think we're using the term prolific in a quality sense here. I just think they're a bit generic on the old song writing abilities.

[Darky]

Malcolm & Angus Young - have contributed to ALL of AC/DC's songs since the band's inception, apart from the occasional cover they did in their early years. Bon Scott and Brian Johnson have also co-written a lot, but the Young brothers have been a part of every song.

Joey DeMaio (Manowar) - aside from occasional help from the band's guitarists over the years, DeMaio has written all the words and music for Manowar since the first album in 1982.

Steve Harris (Iron Maiden) - IMHO, heavy metal's greatest ever songwriter. Has written many grandiose epics over the years, but can also write shorter and somewhat more commercially viable (but not overtly mainstream) tunes. Most band members have co-written on a semi-regular basis (especially Adrian Smith and Bruce Dickinson) but Harris has done most of the work, and the band usually goes in his direction.

Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath) - although most of the Black Sabbath albums are credited as being equally co-written, it is Iommi who comes up with the crunching riffs. It was also Iommi who held the band together in the late 1970s when the other three band members were too f**ked up on drugs to write anything, and left the responsibility to Iommi. Iommi is also the only member of the band who has been there the entire time. He released the "Seventh Star" album in 1986 when he was the only remaining original member, but had to release it under the Black Sabbath name for contractual reasons.

Kai Hansen - the father of power metal. Started up Helloween in 1979, and was frontman (guitar/vocals) on their debut album in 1985. With Michael Weikath, he was the driving force behind Helloween's seminal "Keeper of the Seven Keys I & II" albums (only on guitar, no longer on vocals), before leaving the band in 1989. Upon leaving Helloween, he formed Gamma Ray, playing guitar and writing almost all of the songs. He assumed vocal duties (still playing guitar) in 1995, and Gamma Ray continued to remain essentially Kai's band.
Along the way, he was in his mate Piet Sielck's band Iron Saviour (guitar, some vocals, co-writing), from 1997 to 2000, and has guested with vocals and guitar on some Blind Guardian albums.

Kai Hansen, father of power metal, WE SALUTE YOU!!!

[M29]

Burt Bacharach
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Noel Gallagher
Paul Weller

[coxon]

hmm.. some that i like are:

Damon Albarn... the man who is Blur.. a huge body of work that covers many genres and styles... the man behind Gorillaz.. and did a few scores for movies as well...

Prince... or the artist formerly known as... great stuff during the 80's and 90's... i wonder when he's gonna release some new stuff from his vault...

[jod23]

Lennon
McCartney
Noel Gallagher
Micheal Jackson
and of course......Kevin Mitchell (Jebs)

[Nic]

Paul Dempsey.

[M29]

Originally posted by coxon
Prince... or the artist formerly known as... great stuff during the 80's and 90's... i wonder when he's gonna release some new stuff from his vault...

Can't agree with you ona albarn. But Prince's stuff is great. He manages to write unique songs by the truckload.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23

Noel Gallagher


Whats the difference between Noel Gallagher and Trent Reznor Jod??? :rolleyes:

[Olmy]

Originally posted by Macca19


Whats the difference between Noel Gallagher and Trent Reznor Jod??? :rolleyes:

And Kevin Mitchell for that matter . . .

(Although, Reznor is the only one of those three that I'd rank according to my tastes/perception of music).

[Olmy]

I reckon Reznor and Corgan have both made similar changes to music in the 90's. They can both be put in the same basket in terms of influence (in terms of production), although, a lot of their songwriting may seem quite different.

Both have been responsible for changes in production techniques, namely the layered sound that is so prevailent in contemporary popular recorded music. Likewise, focusing heavily on tones and mood, both have changed the way that a lot of musicians/producers will look at creating rock/pop records.

Not that this wasn't around before Corgan and Reznor, but these two have popularised new and old techniques in different ways than they were being used before.

[catalyst]

Brian Molko
Paul Dempsey
Rob Thomas

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Olmy
I reckon Reznor and Corgan have both made similar changes to music in the 90's. They can both be put in the same basket in terms of influence (in terms of production), although, a lot of their songwriting may seem quite different.

Both have been responsible for changes in production techniques, namely the layered sound that is so prevailent in contemporary popular recorded music. Likewise, focusing heavily on tones and mood, both have changed the way that a lot of musicians/producers will look at creating rock/pop records.

Not that this wasn't around before Corgan and Reznor, but these two have popularised new and old techniques in different ways than they were being used before.

Yup totally agree!
In fact Trent Reznor was rated the most influential musician of the 20th century!!!
Quite a big wrap!

[Macca19]

Jod - im guessing you went to the Jeb show yesterday in Perth - what was it like??

[Beausgirl43]

Jagger and Richards

cheers ... Kaz :)

[jod23]

Originally posted by Macca19


Whats the difference between Noel Gallagher and Trent Reznor Jod??? :rolleyes:

Well the diference is easy, Gallagher is a musical genius and the best thing to happen to worldwide music in 10 years and Reznor is just the frontman of NIN.

[jod23]

Originally posted by Olmy


And Kevin Mitchell for that matter . . .

(Although, Reznor is the only one of those three that I'd rank according to my tastes/perception of music).

I aint saying Kevin is as talented as Lennon/McCartney or anything but he is the frontman of my favourite rock band and he writes songs that i can really relate to. I love his stuff.

[jod23]

Originally posted by Macca19
Jod - im guessing you went to the Jeb show yesterday in Perth - what was it like??

Yep, it kicked ass. Mostly new stuff as it was the official CD Launch but they threw in some classics too. I have seen quite a few of the big name aussie bands live but nobody has the electricity and just pure mayhem that Jebs create live. There the best live ticket in australia.

Oh and Macca i see your closing in 4000..

[Shinboners]

Stuart Murdoch from Belle and Sebastian
Marty Donald from the Lucksmiths
Stephin Merrit from the Magnetic Fields/Sixths/Gothic Archies/Future Bible Heroes

All are brilliant lyricists as well as wonderful musicians.


Speaking of PROLIFIC songwriters though, does anybody else remember when Ed Kuepper was releasing 2 to 3 albums EVERY YEAR in the early to mid 90s?

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23


Well the diference is easy, Gallagher is a musical genius and the best thing to happen to worldwide music in 10 years and Reznor is just the frontman of NIN.

i could easily just say:
well the diference is easy, Reznor is a musical genius and the best thing to happen to worldwide music in 10 years and Gallagher is just the frontman of Oasis.

so what makes Gallagher a "musical genius" which is absolute crap by the way - he is no more genius than Reznor is. Reznor has had more impact on music than Gallagher has.
Oasis has been done before and will be done again. Blur are twice the band Oasis are.

Your so quick to dismiss Trent Reznor - despite the fact youve heard probably about three songs (which were probly Closer, The Perfect Drug and March Of The Pigs) and as ive said - you actually SIT DOWN and LISTEN to NIN instead of dismissing them after three songs on Rage - and tell me his albums arent brilliant.

By the way - did Gallagher write all teh songs, perform all the instruments on record plus producing and mixing these albums as well??? Cos thats what Trent did.

See it all comes down to taste - i dont like the pop/rock bullcrap Oasis do, but i like the industrial moody gothic nature of NINs songs....you are the complete opposite.
Only difference is - ive heard all of Oasis's record where as youve heard three songs of NIN.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23


Yep, it kicked ass. Mostly new stuff as it was the official CD Launch but they threw in some classics too. I have seen quite a few of the big name aussie bands live but nobody has the electricity and just pure mayhem that Jebs create live. There the best live ticket in australia.


I think those last two sentences arent quite correct but anyway...
what is the new stuff like? Similar to first cd or similar to shambles?? or completly new??

[Beausgirl43]

Neil and Tim Finn

cheers... Kaz :)

[M29]

Hahahaha. Why do I bother reading your posts macca.

[Mcchawk]

I look forward in great anticipation to Noel Gallagher's solo album. Best song's off Oasis's last album were sung and written by Noel, Liam's voice is starting to sound like the drugs (the up the nose type!!) has taken effect, but what's the story and Be here now are great albums and Liam may'be best to become more a studio artist.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by M29
Hahahaha. Why do I bother reading your posts macca.

i dunno - why do you bother replying to them??

Noel Gallagher being the best thingin music in the last 10 years is the most laughable comment ive heard in my life.

Oasis style has been done before...in fact Blur do it much better...it will be done again.

[M29]

Originally posted by Macca19
in fact Blur do it much better...

LMFAO

[Macca19]

Originally posted by M29
Hahahaha. Why do I bother reading your posts macca.

oh btw sorry....i forgot - im not allowed to have an opinion...because my opinion is "wrong" :rolleyes:

must be a thing with people with no musical variety to always tell you your opinions are wrong

[M29]

Originally posted by Macca19


oh btw sorry....i forgot - im not allowed to have an opinion...because my opinion is "wrong" :rolleyes:

must be a thing with people with no musical variety to always tell you your opinions are wrong

I never suggested that you were wrong. You generally amuse me. Nor do I have "no musical variety". About the only music I don't listen to is rap and creed.

[NYMets]

Sam Cooke
Joni Mitchell

[Beausgirl43]

PRINCE

cheers... Kaz:)

[Beausgirl43]

Bryan Adams

cheers ... Kaz :)

[Beausgirl43]

Elton John

cheers... Kaz :)

[Beausgirl43]

John Bon Jovi

cheers... Kaz :cool:

[Beausgirl43]

Carol King

cheers... Kaz :o

[Beausgirl43]

Stevie Wonder

cheers.. Kaz :cool:

[jod23]

Originally posted by Macca19


i could easily just say:
well the diference is easy, Reznor is a musical genius and the best thing to happen to worldwide music in 10 years and Gallagher is just the frontman of Oasis.

so what makes Gallagher a "musical genius" which is absolute crap by the way - he is no more genius than Reznor is. Reznor has had more impact on music than Gallagher has.
Oasis has been done before and will be done again. Blur are twice the band Oasis are.

Your so quick to dismiss Trent Reznor - despite the fact youve heard probably about three songs (which were probly Closer, The Perfect Drug and March Of The Pigs) and as ive said - you actually SIT DOWN and LISTEN to NIN instead of dismissing them after three songs on Rage - and tell me his albums arent brilliant.

By the way - did Gallagher write all teh songs, perform all the instruments on record plus producing and mixing these albums as well??? Cos thats what Trent did.

See it all comes down to taste - i dont like the pop/rock bullcrap Oasis do, but i like the industrial moody gothic nature of NINs songs....you are the complete opposite.
Only difference is - ive heard all of Oasis's record where as youve heard three songs of NIN.

Well Macca if you claim to have heard all of Oasis' stuff and know them well then you would know Noel Gallagher isnt the frontman but above you have said he is. Liam Gallagher is the frontman and he sings everything Noel creates. I dont for a second think Liam is talented, he has an absolutely awesome voice but thats where it ends. But Noel writes the music and all the lyrics to all the Oasis tracks bar Little James which Liam wrote.

Ive heard enough of NIN to know i dont like his stuff or think much of it, im not going to go out and buy all there album just to make sure he's not a musical genius.

Oasis in 94 95 96 were the biggest band since the Beatles, there music may have been done before but newflash all music has been done before. And to say Blur is twice the band is hilarious, Blur are ok at best, if any British band gets close to them it would be Travis, Bush and RadioHead.

[jod23]

Originally posted by Macca19


I think those last two sentences arent quite correct but anyway...
what is the new stuff like? Similar to first cd or similar to shambles?? or completly new??

What do you mean arent quite correct? Ive seen Silverchair, Powderfinger, Grinners, SFK, Superjesus and more but none of them stands up to Jebs live. Of course this is just my opinion.

Anyways on the new stuff, its hard to make a report on the new stuff as that was the first time id heard any of it and i only heard it once as i havent got the album yet :(

But im hoping that they continue to grow with there music aas i thought on a whole OSS was a better and more mature album than SO. So im hoping this self titled album will be just as good if not better than OSS.

You seem to be a fan, are you or do you just know Jerks, Harpoon, Leaving Home and Animal...

[Santos L Helper]

Here's a few more prolific songsters from the heavier side:

De La Rocha, YtK, Morrello & Wilk (Rage Against the Machine)
Biafra (Dead Kennedys, Lard & Solo stuff)
Rollins (Black Flag, SOA & Rollins Band)

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23


Well Macca if you claim to have heard all of Oasis' stuff and know them well then you would know Noel Gallagher isnt the frontman but above you have said he is. Liam Gallagher is the frontman and he sings everything Noel creates. I dont for a second think Liam is talented, he has an absolutely awesome voice but thats where it ends. But Noel writes the music and all the lyrics to all the Oasis tracks bar Little James which Liam wrote.


Oasis in 94 95 96 were the biggest band since the Beatles, there music may have been done before but newflash all music has been done before. And to say Blur is twice the band is hilarious, Blur are ok at best, if any British band gets close to them it would be Travis, Bush and RadioHead.

Noel Gallagher isn the 'frontman' of the band...he doesnt sing....but is the frontman in the sense that he IS Oasis...just like Liam Howlett may not be the frontman of Prodigy, but he IS the Prodigy, and Trent Reznor IS NIN.

You obviously dont know much about Blur!!
Maybe you should do some research on them.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23


What do you mean arent quite correct? Ive seen Silverchair, Powderfinger, Grinners, SFK, Superjesus and more but none of them stands up to Jebs live. Of course this is just my opinion.

You seem to be a fan, are you or do you just know Jerks, Harpoon, Leaving Home and Animal...

Pwderfinger, SFK and Silverchair - all that whiny crap does nothing live...its just like a public whinge.

Grinspoon and Jebediah are two of the best live bands in australia.

You know i enjoy Jebediah - ive told you that a few times before. I also told you my favourite songs are off Twitch.

[coxon]

Originally posted by jod23
Oasis in 94 95 96 were the biggest band since the Beatles, there music may have been done before but newflash all music has been done before. And to say Blur is twice the band is hilarious, Blur are ok at best, if any British band gets close to them it would be Travis, Bush and RadioHead.

yes oasis were big.. they've just gone downhill...
when's their new album coming out? soon, their crap albums (over-bloated) will outnumber their good ones (the first two... which i own and love)..

but, radiohead are THE biggest group in the world right now..

bush suck.. boring, middle of the road rock music..
travis are ok... some nice tunes, but nothing standout as yet..

dont wanna go thru this blur vs oasis war again (seen enough of it on many music boards)... but blur are the best ~

[IAMDASH]

Ed Kuepper

[Nic]

Originally posted by Macca19
Pwderfinger, SFK and Silverchair - all that whiny crap does nothing live...its just like a public whinge.

Something for kate whiny crap - ok, if you say so...:rolleyes:

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by Nic


Something for kate whiny crap - ok, if you say so...:rolleyes:

I say so too. Christ, why can't they cheer up? THey seem to be playing the 'over sensitive, it's all too much' card and I find it very tiresome.

[M29]

Originally posted by coxon
bush suck.. boring, middle of the road rock music..
travis are ok... some nice tunes, but nothing standout as yet..


Bush, haven't heard them for a while.
Travis a ok. I'm looking forward to Coldplays next album. Should be great.

dont wanna go thru this blur vs oasis war again (seen enough of it on many music boards)... but blur are the best ~ :rolleyes: :p

[catalyst]

Pwderfinger, SFK, Silverchair - all that whiny crap does nothing live...its just like a public whinge.

Each to their own...if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Some people actually enjoy listening to their music and their heart-felt lyrics help people and you can relate to it. They're not whingeing, they're conveying thoughts on life and all the crap that comes with it.

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by catalyst


Each to their own...if you don't like it, don't listen to it. Some people actually enjoy listening to their music and their heart-felt lyrics help people and you can relate to it. They're not whingeing, they're conveying thoughts on life and all the crap that comes with it.

Very true catalyst, but when a heavy band sings about the same stuff, we have to put up with the 'it's just screaming' rubbish. At least when it's done by a hardcore band the voice doesn't sound so whiny. ;)

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Very true catalyst, but when a heavy band sings about the same stuff, we have to put up with the 'it's just screaming' rubbish. At least when it's done by a hardcore band the voice doesn't sound so whiny. ;)

u forgot the other one santos - "they are just screamin about sex and drugs"

[jod23]

Originally posted by Macca19


Noel Gallagher isn the 'frontman' of the band...he doesnt sing....but is the frontman in the sense that he IS Oasis...just like Liam Howlett may not be the frontman of Prodigy, but he IS the Prodigy, and Trent Reznor IS NIN.

You obviously dont know much about Blur!!
Maybe you should do some research on them.

There you go again caught by your own lack of knowledge of Oasis. Noel Gallagher does sing on many tracks but his singing is maybe 80/20 to Liams.

Your right though he IS Oasis.

[jod23]

Originally posted by coxon


yes oasis were big.. they've just gone downhill...
when's their new album coming out? soon, their crap albums (over-bloated) will outnumber their good ones (the first two... which i own and love)..

but, radiohead are THE biggest group in the world right now..

bush suck.. boring, middle of the road rock music..
travis are ok... some nice tunes, but nothing standout as yet..

dont wanna go thru this blur vs oasis war again (seen enough of it on many music boards)... but blur are the best ~

Radiohead and Blur for that matter pale in comparison to Oasis.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23


Radiohead and Blur for that matter pale in comparison to Oasis.

cant agree there either. Ask any british person who is better between Oasis and Blur and you will find probably 80% of people would say Blur...Blur didnt hit the Australian market really until Song 2. But before that they were already Radiohead size in Britain.

[jod23]

Originally posted by Macca19


cant agree there either. Ask any british person who is better between Oasis and Blur and you will find probably 80% of people would say Blur...Blur didnt hit the Australian market really until Song 2. But before that they were already Radiohead size in Britain.

The thing Blur and Radiohead have never really done is crack the outside markets. Oasis are a world group and one of the last supergroups, they went to America and kicked its ass and then came here and Australia bought everything they had!! Blur barring song 2 is all they have ever done outside of Britain. Radiohead barring Creep is all they have done outside of britain.....

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by jod23


The thing Blur and Radiohead have never really done is crack the outside markets. Oasis are a world group and one of the last supergroups, they went to America and kicked its ass and then came here and Australia bought everything they had!! Blur barring song 2 is all they have ever done outside of Britain. Radiohead barring Creep is all they have done outside of britain.....

Actually Jod, OK Computer was massive in the USA.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Santos L Helper


Actually Jod, OK Computer was massive in the USA.

and Japan....and Australia

[coxon]

Originally posted by jod23


The thing Blur and Radiohead have never really done is crack the outside markets. Oasis are a world group and one of the last supergroups, they went to America and kicked its ass and then came here and Australia bought everything they had!! Blur barring song 2 is all they have ever done outside of Britain. Radiohead barring Creep is all they have done outside of britain.....

re the blur part...
thats true... their stuff never really appealed to american tastes.. only euro/jap...

common stuff... pop/rock like oasis, and bush appeals to mass america.. (and the reason why sh1t stuff like creed/hootie and the blowfish/matchbox20 are big in the states).. also explains why Savage Garden are aust's biggest thing in the US...

some of my fave brit stuff like Blur, Pulp, Suede, Supergrass would never do well in america, cos their stuff isnt mainstream rock/pop for them..

[Olmy]

Originally posted by jod23


The thing Blur and Radiohead have never really done is crack the outside markets. Oasis are a world group and one of the last supergroups, they went to America and kicked its ass and then came here and Australia bought everything they had!! Blur barring song 2 is all they have ever done outside of Britain. Radiohead barring Creep is all they have done outside of britain.....

Hmm. :rolleyes:

So having worldwide #1 records that stayed in the top #20 for over a year, and sold-out shows all across the globe, along with some of the greatest critical acclaim ever, doesn't rate Radiohead as having "cracked the world market"?? :confused: :rolleyes:

[Olmy]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Belle and Sebastian


If You're Feeling Sinister . . . great album. ;)

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Olmy


If You're Feeling Sinister . . . great album. ;)

You sure about that? After all, if the Americans don't approve of it...... ;)

[Olmy]

Originally posted by jod23


Radiohead and Blur for that matter pale in comparison to Oasis.

Rephrased in a more objective manner that should read:

"I prefer Oasis to either Radiohead or Blur".

[Olmy]

Originally posted by Macca19


Trent Reznor IS NIN.



Yep. Now, I am not really a huge fan of NIN, however, I do have respect for Reznor as a songwriter/composer and musician (as I mentioned before).

As Macca has correctly pointed out, not only was Reznor the front-man of NIN, he WAS also NIN. The rest of the line-up merely changed around him, and he was by far the driving force of the entity. Likewise, NIN were more than just a band who played songs.

Whether people like/dislike NIN, I don't think there is much disputing the fact that they have had a wide-spread influence on the music community. They are/were one of the bands which developed the industrial sound, and like predecessors (such as New Order), blended different elements of music into one, core sound.

I reckon, like Smashing Pumpkins, NIN will have influenced, and continue to influence many musicians in the way they think about music, the way it is written, and the way it is produced.

[jod23]

The problem with you ppl is that just becuase a lot of ppl like Oasis' stuff you think it is **** for the masses. So the only way you make good music is if it is obscure and only loved by a certain amount of ppl????

Crap ON !! The greatest band ever was loved by everyone. The Beatles. Just because Oasis are popular doesnt make them bad. What have Radiohead done....ive only ever heard of Creep that made any sort of impact.

Dont get me wrong i like Radiohead but there just trying to be a new age Floyd. There nothing on Oasis and there beautiful Rock n Roll!!

TOOOOONNNNNIGGHHHTTTT IM A ROCK N ROLL STAR!!

[Santos L Helper]

Originally posted by jod23
The problem with you ppl is that just becuase a lot of ppl like Oasis' stuff you think it is **** for the masses. So the only way you make good music is if it is obscure and only loved by a certain amount of ppl????

Crap ON !! The greatest band ever was loved by everyone. The Beatles. Just because Oasis are popular doesnt make them bad. What have Radiohead done....ive only ever heard of Creep that made any sort of impact.

Dont get me wrong i like Radiohead but there just trying to be a new age Floyd. There nothing on Oasis and there beautiful Rock n Roll!!

TOOOOONNNNNIGGHHHTTTT IM A ROCK N ROLL STAR!!

Jod, if your going to voice an opinion, be prepared for people to disagree with it and don't have a ****ing hissy fit just because everyone doesn't agree with you.
I don't think anyone is doubting that Oasis are a good band and have sold tons of albums, but you just deny that any other band mentioned could be, or is, as popular as Oasis......and why, Because you say so? Just because you've only heard 'creep' doesn't mean that's all that is out there. Just because you haven't heard that Radiohead are massive through the USA and other places doesn't mean that they're not........They ARE huge through the USA.
Personally, I think Radiohead are whiny and ****house and I like Oasis more, but I disagree with you opinion that Radiohead are nowhere near as famous, so I had to disagree with you.
Stop taking it so personally.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by jod23
What have Radiohead done....ive only ever heard of Creep that made any sort of impact.


That just means youre blinkered if the only song youve heard impact is Creep. What about Karma Police....Paranoid Android was a huge hit here. Not to mention the fact the album Kid A debuted at number 1.

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Olmy


Yep. Now, I am not really a huge fan of NIN, however, I do have respect for Reznor as a songwriter/composer and musician (as I mentioned before).

As Macca has correctly pointed out, not only was Reznor the front-man of NIN, he WAS also NIN. The rest of the line-up merely changed around him, and he was by far the driving force of the entity. Likewise, NIN were more than just a band who played songs.

He wasnt just the frontman, he wrote, performed all the instruments and recorded, mixed and produced all of his CDs. So really NIN is just Trent Reznor, but they have a "live band" because Trent obviously cant play drums, bass, guitars, and keyboards and sing all at once!
Anyone that can write 4 albums, play all the instruments, and then mix and produce them (and im leaving out the Quake soundtrack and Natural Born Killers soundtrack, plus the Marilyn Manson stuff) is a very very talented person in my eyes.

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by jod23
The problem with you ppl is that just becuase a lot of ppl like Oasis' stuff you think it is **** for the masses. So the only way you make good music is if it is obscure and only loved by a certain amount of ppl????

And the flipside of that argument is that you only think music is good if it hits the charts around the world....which is in essence, no better or worse than the criticism that you're making above. After all, you seem to like using the "Well, they've sold heaps of records, so they must be good" argument quite a lot.

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by coxon
some of my fave brit stuff like Blur, Pulp, Suede, Supergrass would never do well in america, cos their stuff isnt mainstream rock/pop for them..

Hey Coxon,

Were you ever a fan of Lush ? If you are, Emma Anderson's (who wrote all the good songs by Lush) new band, Sing Sing has finally released their debut CD. It's called "The Joy Of Sing Sing" and as an album, it's much stronger and consistent than any of Lush's albums.

[Olmy]

Originally posted by jod23
The problem with you ppl is that just becuase a lot of ppl like Oasis' stuff you think it is **** for the masses. So the only way you make good music is if it is obscure and only loved by a certain amount of ppl????

As Shinboners correctly pointed out, you seem to think that the inverse of the arguement is true . . . so don't be such a hypocrit.

Btw, it's only you who 'thinks' that people have a "problem" here. Hmm. Perhaps it's actually you who has the problem. Hmm.

Originally posted by jod23
Crap ON !! The greatest band ever was loved by everyone. The Beatles.

Pfft. Tonnes of people don't like The Beatles. Sure, lots of people do, and this number vastly outnumbers those who don't, however, there are tonnes of great musicians who take nothing from The Beatles, nor liked them.

Originally posted by jod23
Just because Oasis are popular doesnt make them bad.

No one said they were, but . . .

Originally posted by jod23
What have Radiohead done....ive only ever heard of Creep that made any sort of impact.

You obviously think that because Radiohead haven't had similar commercial success, that makes them less of a band. :rolleyes:

Kid A debuted at No.#1 in the U.S.A. (and most other places around the world), outselling the "teen-pop" bands by eons.

Likewise, The Bends, OK Computer, and Amnesiac were all in the top #20 world-wide for quite some time.

In any regard, pretty much all of Radiohead's albums have had wide-spread CRITICAL acclaim, which for mine, is far more important that the fickle world of "sales".

Not that this makes their albums any better or worse, but it does prove that you don't know what you're talking about!

Originally posted by jod23
Dont get me wrong i like Radiohead but there just trying to be a new age Floyd. There nothing on Oasis and there beautiful Rock n Roll!!


Radiohead trying to be the new Pink Floyd? Yeah, possibly. So what?

Aren't Oasis one of The Beatles biggest known rip-offs?? Think carefully before you answer that one Jod, especially considering the band themselves have admitted to it.

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Olmy

Aren't Oasis one of The Beatles biggest known rip-offs?? Think carefully before you answer that one Jod, especially considering the band themselves have admitted to it.

Hmmmm.....still thinking carefully over your answer, hey Jod? ;)

[Waltzing Woof Biscuit]

Two of the finest craftsmen ever to go around in the pop arena - B. Ulvaeus and B. Andersson. Pure pop magic by the truckload :)

Also, here here to Desredandwhite for mentioning John Linnell and John Flansburgh. They Might Be Giants have produced about nine wonderful albums of...well, what would you call it Des? Pop with a twist? Hard to pigeon-hole them really.

Some posters may know them from their indy hit of ten years ago 'Birdhouse In Your Soul', and latterly by the song 'Boss Of Me', which is the title theme to Malcolm In The Middle.

[McCartney5]

Originally posted by M29

Noel Gallagher


I knew I could rely on you to say it

The best song writer of my generation has to be Noel... Liam stop trying

Eddie Vedder is not far off though

[jod23]

Originally posted by Olmy


As Shinboners correctly pointed out, you seem to think that the inverse of the arguement is true . . . so don't be such a hypocrit.

Btw, it's only you who 'thinks' that people have a "problem" here. Hmm. Perhaps it's actually you who has the problem. Hmm.



Pfft. Tonnes of people don't like The Beatles. Sure, lots of people do, and this number vastly outnumbers those who don't, however, there are tonnes of great musicians who take nothing from The Beatles, nor liked them.



No one said they were, but . . .



You obviously think that because Radiohead haven't had similar commercial success, that makes them less of a band. :rolleyes:

Kid A debuted at No.#1 in the U.S.A. (and most other places around the world), outselling the "teen-pop" bands by eons.

Likewise, The Bends, OK Computer, and Amnesiac were all in the top #20 world-wide for quite some time.

In any regard, pretty much all of Radiohead's albums have had wide-spread CRITICAL acclaim, which for mine, is far more important that the fickle world of "sales".

Not that this makes their albums any better or worse, but it does prove that you don't know what you're talking about!



Radiohead trying to be the new Pink Floyd? Yeah, possibly. So what?

Aren't Oasis one of The Beatles biggest known rip-offs?? Think carefully before you answer that one Jod, especially considering the band themselves have admitted to it.

Sorry guys i thought this topic was dead and i return today to see it is still going....

You obviously think that because Radiohead haven't had similar commercial success, that makes them less of a band. :rolleyes: This is a double standard, you seem to think that because Oasis have had commercial success that they suck...you confuse my Olmy, constantly going back and forth...

Dont know why your arguing the Beatles point. The ppl that like the Beatles so massively outweighs the portion that dont, and the ones that dont are usually the ignorant ones that dont like ppl or bands because of success. Like ppl hate Jordan because he's so good.

Yes Oasis are, they have admitted that they love the Beatles and model there music around them, hell Liams son is called Lennon. But i think there music differs a whole lot from Beatles stuff. A) its no where near as good B) its a lot more modern and it never strays from guitar rock n roll unlike the Beatles who experimented with all sorts of sounds etc C) even though they model themselves around the Beatles there music is still DAMN GOOD.

The same cannot be said of Radiohead. What makes Floyd so special is they are one of a kind, that sound they create is only a sound PF can get. Rock n Roll has many different sounds so Oasis is just one of many RnR bands playing RnR. If you get what i mean. Anyways i like Radiohead they just pale in comparison with Oasis. And after watching that Beatles special last night.....wow it really reminds you about the gap between the Beatles and the rest of the music world. John, Paul, George and Ringo are gods.

[The_Flying_Egg]

A lot of people seem to like Radiohead because they think its cool to like someone whos not mainstream.

The only problem is they're crap :)

[McCartney5]

Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
A lot of people seem to like Radiohead because they think its cool to like someone whos not mainstream.

The only problem is they're crap :)

Didn't you know it's cool to like bands that aren't popular???

I would hate to like a band that has another million fans ... THAT WOULD BE TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I just don't understand.. what exactly is mainstream and what difference does it make?? Do tell oh intelligent ones

[Olmy]

Originally posted by jod23


Sorry guys i thought this topic was dead and i return today to see it is still going....

You obviously think that because Radiohead haven't had similar commercial success, that makes them less of a band. :rolleyes: This is a double standard, you seem to think that because Oasis have had commercial success that they suck...you confuse my Olmy, constantly going back and forth...

I never said that I thought Oasis sucked . . . once again you are making up your own argument . . . not very smart Jod.

When are you going to start addressing what people say, rather than just coming up with BS statements? Or is it because you're getting pasted all the time, and have nothing better to offer??

Originally posted by jod23

Dont know why your arguing the Beatles point. The ppl that like the Beatles so massively outweighs the portion that dont, and the ones that dont are usually the ignorant ones that dont like ppl or bands because of success. Like ppl hate Jordan because he's so good.

Pretty blinkered view really - and you pose yourself as someone with a wealth of music knowledge! I wonder, did Johny Rotten (Sex Pistols) like The Beatles? I somehow doubt it.

I never argued that there were more people who disliked, than liked The Beatles. What I did argue, is that many famous and talented musicians haven't liked them, for many different reasons. I wasn't arguing numbers.


Originally posted by jod23

Yes Oasis are, they have admitted that they love the Beatles and model there music around them, hell Liams son is called Lennon. But i think there music differs a whole lot from Beatles stuff. A) its no where near as good B) its a lot more modern and it never strays from guitar rock n roll unlike the Beatles who experimented with all sorts of sounds etc C) even though they model themselves around the Beatles there music is still DAMN GOOD.

You say that Oasis "model" themselves on The Beatles, while Radiohead "rip off" Pink Floyd! Hah! I'd like to know how you make the distinction between the two particular cases in question! I somehow doubt I am going to receive a reasonable, intelligent, well-thought-out response to that one though.

Originally posted by jod23

The same cannot be said of Radiohead. What makes Floyd so special is they are one of a kind, that sound they create is only a sound PF can get. Rock n Roll has many different sounds so Oasis is just one of many RnR bands playing RnR. If you get what i mean. Anyways i like Radiohead they just pale in comparison with Oasis. And after watching that Beatles special last night.....wow it really reminds you about the gap between the Beatles and the rest of the music world. John, Paul, George and Ringo are gods.

The reason that Radiohead sound different to Pink Floyd, is because they ARE different! Pfft! One minute you argue they're merely the same, next minute you argue they're different . . . you clearly don't even know what you're arguing!

As I said earlier, when are you going to start addressing what people say, rather than just coming up with BS statements? Or is it because you're getting pasted all the time, and have nothing better to offer??

[Olmy]

Originally posted by McCartney5


Didn't you know it's cool to like bands that aren't popular???

I would hate to like a band that has another million fans ... THAT WOULD BE TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I just don't understand.. what exactly is mainstream and what difference does it make?? Do tell oh intelligent ones

Actually, I would have thought people just like music which they personally like. I mean, I couldn't care less if a band is popular or not - if they're music is good (in my opinion), then I'm happy to listen to it, regardless of whether millions do likewise, or no-one does likewise.

Similarly, I don't see that anyone in here has slagged off bands which sell profusely.

[Olmy]

Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg
A lot of people seem to like Radiohead because they think its cool to like someone whos not mainstream.

The only problem is they're crap :)

I would have thought Radiohead would have been classified as fairly mainstream, considering the amount of press coverage they receive, along with the world-wide #1 albums, and other such acclaim.

[jod23]

Im bored with this now, we are just rehashing the same old crap post after post. I like what i like, you like what you like ok?

[Olmy]

Originally posted by jod23
Im bored with this now, we are just rehashing the same old crap post after post. I like what i like, you like what you like ok?

Well, if you can't stand the heat . . .

Anyway, you're the one who seems to be getting upset here! :p

[Roylion]

As my golden years were in the mid-late seventies, I'd have to say that my favorite prolific songwriters are:

Freddie Mercury . Author of such classics as Bohemian Rhapsody, Killer Queen, Bicycle Race, Don't Stop Me Now, Crazy Little Thing Called Love, Somebody to Love, Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy, Play the Game, Love of My Life, Seven Seas of Rhye and We Are the Champions, just to name a few.

Brian May who wrote Fat Bottomed Girls, Save Me, Now I'm Here, Flash, We Will Rock You, '39, Tie Your Mother Down, Hammer to Fall, Keep Yourself Alive, Tear It Up, It's Late and Who Wants to Live Forever as well as a having a contributing hand in many other Queen classics, from '85 onwards.

Paul McCartney both for the Beatles (60's) and Wings (70's). In my opinion probably the greatest song writer for popular culture in music history.

John Lennon . Of course.

Benny Anderson and Bjorn Ulvaeus the lads from ABBA.

Reggie Dwight and Bernie Taupin authors of many great songs for Reggie (alias Elton John)

Other less favorite prolific songwriters of music I used to listen to from my era that spring to mind are Parfitt/Rossi, Stanley/Simmons, the brothers Gibb, George Harrison, and David Bowie.

Probably forgotten a few, but the above are the ones that bring back a great many memories and hence are my favorites.

[Sydneyfan]

Here's one guy I don't think anyone's mentioned who I reckon has been quite prolific over the last five years and produced some great work, Dave Grohl from the Foo Fighters and formerly Nirvana. I'm a big fan of the Foo Fighters, Dave played every instrument, wrote each song and produced their first album, then had to set about finding some other guys to join the band so he could tour! :D I particularly liked Big Me from that album, great song.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers' Anthony Kiedis and Flea have been prolific over the last 15 years and produced some great stuff, particularly from Blood Sugar Sex Magik, though I also liked One Hot Minute and Californication.

Others from the past decade I can think of are:
Damon (can't remember his last name) from Blur
Thom Yorke from Radiohead
Kurt Cobain
Noel Gallagher
Bono from U2
plus others

Others over the years:
John Lennon
Paul McCartney
Bob Dylan
Eric Clapton
the guys from Pink Floyd
Jimi Hendrix
Mick Jagger and the rest of the Stones
plus more