1997 GF - Adelaide v St.Kilda

[Lonie_from_50]

This was the first Grand Final I ever watched live from home, and in full. I have done a statistically revisited thread for the 1990 Grand Final in the Collingwood Board, but I have decided to do the 1997 GF in this board, and to allow everyone have their say.

I will be doing things statistically. In 5 or 10 min spurts (we will see )). Now let's remember, this stats won't be official (they could be), but they are done on video replay, and are 99.9% correct, just like prowess.

[Lonie_from_50]

This was one of the biggest attending Grand Finals, the biggest crowd since the 1990 Grand Final between Collingwood and Essendon.

98,828 people turned up to witness a historic day. The lead up was amazing. St.Kilda had beat reigning premiers North Melbourne (who would appear in the next 2 Grand Finals) to get in, while Adelaide made it's first Grand Final appearance since joining the league in 1991. They beat the Western Bulldogs the week earlier by just 2 points. St.Kilda would appear in it's first Grand Final since 1971

Robert Harvey had won the Brownlow on the Monday Night, through a suspension to most votes poller Chris Grant. Nicky Winmar had lost his dad though, and was fighting a tough time, playing for the great man. Adelaide had worries heading into the Final, losing Coleman Medallist Tony Modra with a knee injury, rupturing it in the Preliminary Final.

[Lonie_from_50]

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ADELAIDE
B: P.Caven, R.Jameson, B.Hart
HB: A.McLeod, D.Pittman, S.Goodwin
C: M.Connell, D.Jarman, K.Koster
HF: C.Sampson, M.Robran, N.Smart
F: C.Rintoul, S.Ellen, T.Bond
Foll: S.Rehn, K.Johnson, M.Bickley (c)
I/C: T.Edwards, B.James, A.Keating
Coach: M.Blight

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ST KILDA
B: S.Sziller, J.Shanahan, J.Peckett
HB: J.Cripps, D.Wakelin, M.Hudghton
C: J.Daniels, A.Thompson, A.Jones
HF: M.Lappin, S.Loewe, R.Keogh
F: B.Hall, J.Heatley, N.Winmar
Foll: B.Cook, R.Harvey, N.Burke (c)
I/C: T.Brown, D.Sierakowski, R.Neill
Coach: S.Alves

[ECHUCABOY]

ADELAIDE
B: P.Caven, R.Jameson, B.Hart
HB: A.McLeod, D.Pittman, S.Goodwin
C: M.Connell, D.Jarman, K.Koster
HF: C.Sampson, M.Robran, N.Smart
F: C.Rintoul, S.Ellen, T.Bond
Foll: S.Rehn, K.Johnson, M.Bickley (c)
I/C: T.Edwards, B.James, A.Keating
Coach: M.Blight

ST KILDA
B: S.Sziller, J.Shanahan, J.Peckett
HB: J.Cripps, D.Wakelin, M.Hudghton
C: J.Daniels, A.Thompson, A.Jones
HF: M.Lappin, S.Loewe, R.Keogh
F: B.Hall, J.Heatley, N.Winmar
Foll: B.Cook, R.Harvey, N.Burke (c)
I/C: T.Brown, D.Sierakowski, R.Neill
Coach: S.Alves

Not many big names there, goes back to the saying a champion team will beat a team of champions.

[crows98]

Not many big names there, goes back to the saying a champion team will beat a team of champions





ADELAIDE
B: P.Caven, R.Jameson, B.Hart
HB: A.McLeod, D.Pittman, S.Goodwin
C: M.Connell, D.Jarman, K.Koster
HF: C.Sampson, M.Robran, N.Smart
F: C.Rintoul, S.Ellen, T.Bond
Foll: S.Rehn, K.Johnson, M.Bickley (c)
I/C: T.Edwards, B.James, A.Keating
Coach: M.Blight

ST KILDA
B: S.Sziller, J.Shanahan, J.Peckett
HB: J.Cripps, D.Wakelin, M.Hudghton
C: J.Daniels, A.Thompson, A.Jones
HF: M.Lappin, S.Loewe, R.Keogh
F: B.Hall, J.Heatley, N.Winmar
Foll: B.Cook, R.Harvey, N.Burke (c)
I/C: T.Brown, D.Sierakowski, R.Neill
Coach: S.Alves

:D Stop smoking drugs :rolleyes:

[Lonie_from_50]

1st Quarter - 10 Minutes

ADELAIDE 1.4.10
ST KILDA 2.1.13

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00:55 - ADELAIDE - BEHIND - Rushed
01:50 - ADELAIDE - BEHIND - K.Koster, Play, 30-40m
02:17 - ADELAIDE - BEHIND - D.Jarman, Play, 40-50m, Hits Post
02:55 - ADELAIDE - BEHIND - D.Jarman, Play, 40-50m
04:15 - ST KILDA - BEHIND - N.Winmar, Play, 30-40m
05:53 - ST KILDA - GOAL - J.Heatley, Play, 40-50m
08:03 - ST KILDA - GOAL - J.Heatley, Mark, 40-50m
08:19 - ADELAIDE - GOAL - S.Ellen, Mark, 40-50m

[Lonie_from_50]

In the first 3 minutes, Adelaide came out of the blocks, but failed to put it on the scoreboard, being 0.4. Jason Heatley kicked the first 2 goals of the game, as St.Kilda started to get on top, but Ellen kicked a goal to steady the ship. All-Australian Shaun Rehn proving too good for Brett Cook in the ruck early.

[Lonie_from_50]

1st Quarter - 20 Minutes

ADELAIDE 2.5.17
ST KILDA 2.5.17

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10:06 - ST KILDA - BEHIND - A.Thompson, Play, 50m+
10:49 - ST KILDA - BEHIND - A.Jones, Play, 40-50m
12:08 - ADELAIDE - BEHIND - Rushed
15:54 - ST KILDA - BEHIND - B.Cook, Mark, 50m+
17:57 - ST KILDA - BEHIND - A.Thompson, Free, 50m Penalty, 30-40m
19:30 - ADELAIDE - GOAL - T.Bond, Mark, 40-50m, Boundary Line

[spell_check]

This is fantastic work you've done so far Lonie, I will have to check out the Collingwood GF as well, I have done a few games myself taking the stats from the video. :thumbsu:

[spell_check]

I do to agree to an extent with Echucaboy. Some of the bold names in the teams were fairly new to the AFL scene, and didn't have the reputation they do now. For us Johnson, Goodwin and Edwards and Hudghton, Hall and Lappin for the Saints are examples.

A few SANFL players in the St. Kilda line up too - Steven Sziller - played in Eagles 1993 premiership, Robbie Neill from Norwood, Tony Brown and Darryl Wakelin from Port.

Brett James and Aaron Keating played in the Norwood premiership side the following week as well. Clay Sampson is playing for South still and Brett James is for Norwood - He started his career for them in 1990, and has played 337 games overall - 219 for Norwood, 42 for Collingwood and 76 for Adelaide. Add to that 7 night matches in the AFL and 2 State of Origin and that's 346 games. I'm not sure how many State games for the SANFL he has played.

[HorseHead]

... St.Kilda would appear in it's first Grand Final since 1966, which remained it's only Premiership...Minor correction: St.Kilda played in the 1971 Grand Final. ;)

[johnnyhoward]

Where'd you get the video from Lonie?

Only one I could find was from this site (http://www.sportsdelivered.com/cgi-bin/at.pl?a=300020)...costs $20 which isn't bad

[ECHUCABOY]

I do to agreee to an extent with Echucaboy. Some of the bold names in the teams were fairly new to the AFL scene, and didn't have the reputation they do now. For us Johnson, Goodwin and Edwards and Hudghton, Hall and Lappin for the Saints are examples.

A few South Aussies in the St. Kilda line up too - Steven Sziller - played in Eagles 1993 premiership, Robbie Neill from Norwood, Tony Brown and Darryl Wakelin from Port.

Brett James and Aaron Keating played in the Norwood premiership side the following week as well. Clay Sampson is playing for South still and Brett James is for Norwood - He started his career for then in 1990, and has played 337 games overall - 219 for Norwood, 42 for Collingwood and 76 for Adelaide. Add to that 7 night matches in the AFL and 2 State of Origin and that's 346 games. I'm not sure how many State games for the SANFL he has played.

Yeah great work lonie. The two teams are full of triers rather than the most skillful. Although Jarman, McLeod and Jones skill certaintly shows, its blokes like burke, koster, ellen, heatley even that play big roles

[dyertribe]

A few South Aussies in the St. Kilda line up too ... Robbie Neill from Norwood, Tony Brown from Port.

If you meant past or present SANFL players then fair enough, but Robbie Neill is from the ACT, while Tony Brown is a Vic.

[spell_check]

If you meant past or present SANFL players then fair enough, but Robbie Neill is from the ACT, while Tony Brown is a Vic.

Correct. I meant SANFL players, I'll edit that.

[Lonie_from_50]

Minor correction: St.Kilda played in the 1971 Grand Final. ;)

Lol, I realised I wrote it before double checking. I heard on the commentary before the game on the tape, :p

[Lonie_from_50]

Where'd you get the video from Lonie?

Only one I could find was from this site (http://www.sportsdelivered.com/cgi-bin/at.pl?a=300020)...costs $20 which isn't bad

I am one who like's to tape big matches, even if I am watching it at home, but I like to do it. This was my second GF I taped as a kid, and the oldest one on tape I still have (lost the 96' GF tape, or probably taped over).

Video's/DVD's of matches are pretty expensice.. I would love to get games from the 90's.

[Lonie_from_50]

Quarter Time

ADELAIDE 3.8.26
ST KILDA 3.6.24

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20:51 - ADELAIDE - BEHIND - C.Rintoul, Play Advantage, 20-30m, Hits Post
21:50 - ADELAIDE - GOAL - S.Ellen, Free, 40-50m
25:14 - ADELAIDE - BEHIND - S.Ellen, Play, 10-20m
27:08 - ST KILDA - BEHIND - J.Heatley, Mark, 50m+
29:14 - ADELAIDE - BEHIND - M.Bickley, Play, 10-20m
29:58 - ST KILDA - GOAL - A.Jones, Play, 40-50m, Great Run

[mad-saint-guy]

Ugh...Sierakowski and Cook should not have been playing. Replace them with Everitt and Vidovick and we would've won comfortably. Would've helped if Harvs wasn't killed in the first quarter too. :(

Oh well, there's always this year.

[Lonie_from_50]

Cook and Rehn ended up on even terms in the first quarter :D

Yeah, unlucky with Spider and Lazar out with injury.

[Lonie_from_50]

29:58 - ST KILDA - GOAL - A.Jones, Play, 40-50m, Great Run

What a goal that was!!!

[spell_check]

I too started recording GFs' from 1996, and I also must have recorded over that. I have got every one since, except (clumsy me) taped over 1997 :mad: and 2000.

[Johnson#26]

A great goal indeed. I have it as a clip on my CP. :)

[johnnyhoward]

I am one who like's to tape big matches, even if I am watching it at home, but I like to do it. This was my second GF I taped as a kid, and the oldest one on tape I still have (lost the 96' GF tape, or probably taped over).

Video's/DVD's of matches are pretty expensice.. I would love to get games from the 90's.
Yeah $20 is only worth it if it's a really special game.

Ugh...Sierakowski and Cook should not have been playing. Replace them with Everitt and Vidovick and we would've won comfortably. Would've helped if Harvs wasn't killed in the first quarter too. :(

Oh well, there's always this year.
The problem is we're still quite depleted in the ruck, and that's without injuries!

Aussie's goal was just sensational.

[lincsPJ]

Ugh...Sierakowski and Cook should not have been playing. Replace them with Everitt and Vidovick and we would've won comfortably. Would've helped if Harvs wasn't killed in the first quarter too. :(



ummm... there were a couple of average players missing from our side too that day.. some hack called riccuito and there was another guy who played up forward called modra. oh and vards broke his collar bone in the semi against geelong. :rolleyes:

so if anything, we may have been missing more talent than the saints that day.

and didnt harvey end up with is usual 35 touches anyway??

[Johnson#26]

I am one who like's to tape big matches, even if I am watching it at home, but I like to do it. This was my second GF I taped as a kid, and the oldest one on tape I still have (lost the 96' GF tape, or probably taped over).

Dame here. :) I had the 1997 GF on tape, but taped over it with the 2001 GF. I have since rued the decision, and now have it on DVD. I try and make sure I have taped every FTA game each weekend, and certainly Collingwood ones.

Video's/DVD's of matches are pretty expensice.. I would love to get games from the 90's.

Agree. From the 1990's, I have the following GF's on video/DVD:

1990
1991
1996
1997
1998

And from the 2000's:

2001
2002
2003
2004
2005

I have borrowed a 2000 copy, while I am hoping to get a copy of the 93/94/95 GF's off a mate.

[Lonie_from_50]

Amazingly, the GF DVD's can be found cheaper in stores than Name A Game VHS's. I might have to start the collection. I picked up the 1990 GF for $18 at KMart, and still are that price for all WEG Editions. Will have a look. I have the 2000 on WEG VHS, and the last two GF's I don't have. Mum's a Sydney supporter, so it will be a present for her b'day coming up, the 05' GF, so I guess that can be added :p

2nd Quarter stats will be up late tonight I would think. Spending the day at the Junction watching the mighty Vics today. :)

[Minkus_Swan]

Amazingly, the GF DVD's can be found cheaper in stores than Name A Game VHS's. I might have to start the collection. I picked up the 1990 GF for $18 at KMart, and still are that price for all WEG Editions. Will have a look.

Kmart started to sell them about halfway through last year in sydney for around $16-18. I've also started a collection.

I've got so far:

1989
1991
1993
1995
1997
1998
2004
2005

I may get the drawn 1977 grand final this week.

[mad-saint-guy]

ummm... there were a couple of average players missing from our side too that day.. some hack called riccuito and there was another guy who played up forward called modra. oh and vards broke his collar bone in the semi against geelong. :rolleyes:

and didnt harvey end up with is usual 35 touches anyway??

Who's this Ruccuito hack you speak of? Obviously some soft loser with no leadership skills or anything.
Never heard of this Modra guy either...might've kicked a goal or two but was nothing special obviously.

Seriously, I think we actually would've done better if Modra was playing. Shanahan was an expert at shutting down big full-forwards, and was cut to pieces by Jarman. If Modra was playing Burkie probably would've done a better job on Jarman, and if we had our ruckmen (best combo in the league) playing, it hardly would've got there.

Harvs probably did end up with 35 touches, but if he coud see and think properly it would've been 55.

[Johnson#26]

I think Rod Keogh should have had more of a run in the midfield in the third term. He was pretty useful that afternoon.

[Lonie_from_50]

Shane Ellen has 1 man to thank, Tony Modra :)

[lincsPJ]

Shane Ellen has 1 man to thank, Tony Modra :)

2 men - mods and blighty.

i think the convo between ellen and blight on the monday after the prelim was something like:

blight: shane, can you lead?
ellen: yeh.
blight: good.

and the rest is history.

as lethal says in the last term: "you wouldve thought jarman to get a few, but ellen 5, that's a plus" :)

[Minkus_Swan]

I've never seen anyone have a worse grand final than Jamie Shanahan. OK, possibly Brent Stalker - but at least his career wasn't ultimately over after a poor grannie.

[Lonie_from_50]

Aaron Shattock had donuts, and one of my favourite players, sure yours too, Luke Ablett, had a shocker last year.

[Falchoon]

Cook and Rehn ended up on even terms in the first quarter :D

Yeah, unlucky with Spider and Lazar out with injury.


The biggest loss for us was Modra, the unpredictability of the Adelaide forward line was what got us in the end, Rehn was important too.

I always think what if with Heatleys poster just after Barry Hall had dobbed 3 in 3.

[Lonie_from_50]

Get ready, the tape is set, the pen is ready, and the eyes are focused...2nd Quarter action coming soon.

[Johnson#26]

I think that the Crows just took charge ealry in the third term when they realised they were a decent chance. You could almost feel the Saints being overwhelmed.

Jarman's third term was the killer.

[Lonie_from_50]

2nd Quarter - 10 Minutes

ADELAIDE 3.8.26
ST KILDA 6.7.43

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It was the Barry Hall show in the first 10 minutes of the 2nd Quarter, as he kicked 3 goals in as much minutes to help the Saints break away from Adelaide. The Saints took to a 3 goal lead. Rod Keogh and Aussie Jones were the men who lead from the centre of the ground, while Shaun Rehn was dragged after failing to dominate centre bounce hitouts. He joined injured Crows Clay Sampson and Rod Jameson on the bench. The saints dominated possession, having 30 to 12.

[Lonie_from_50]

2nd Quarter - 20 Minutes

ADELAIDE 5.9.39
ST KILDA 6.8.44

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Adelaide got a move on and replied with two goals, from Simon Goodwin and Troy Bond. The rucking was a key note in the period of time. With Rehn on the bench, Adelaide managed to have control over Sierakowski. Keating, in only his third career game managed well. Andrew McLeod changed into the midfield onto Nathan Burke, and has held Burke touchless, after having 10 first quarter touches.

[Lonie_from_50]

Half Time

ADELAIDE 5.10.40
ST KILDA 7.10.52

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St Kilda go into half time leaders by 2 goals. Harvey the only goalkicker in that period, as Saints missed more opportunities, with Sziller and Hall both missing big chances, while Keogh missed after the siren from 52m. Saints having much more of the ball in the game, and the quarter, the Crows, only 29 kicks and 20 handballs.

[don vito of fitzroy]

Darren Jarman was phenomenal in the final quarter. That must have been his best performance in a single quarter and if that's not the case, I don't think there have been any performances that have proved to be vital.

Great stuff, Lonie from 50.

[Markthirtytwo]

Darren Jarman was phenomenal in the final quarter. That must have been his best performance in a single quarter and if that's not the case, I don't think there have been any performances that have proved to be vital.

Great stuff, Lonie from 50.


If he does the 98 GF, you'll see DJarman out does himself. :cool: ;)

[Lonie_from_50]

Will do the third quarter now!

[m.diddy]

ummm... there were a couple of average players missing from our side too that day.. some hack called riccuito and there was another guy who played up forward called modra. oh and vards broke his collar bone in the semi against geelong. :rolleyes:

so if anything, we may have been missing more talent than the saints that day.

and didnt harvey end up with is usual 35 touches anyway??
IMO we lost that game in the ruck and because rehn beat the crap out of us in that last quarter by dropping in the hole, with everitt there there may have been a different story same too with modra and roo. However there is no point in ifs and maybes.

IMO from memory i think Jarman or Rehn should have got the Norm smith although I havn't really watched that heart breaking game since 1997, only snippets of it even though I have it on tape.

[Lonie_from_50]

Third Quarter - 10 Minutes

ADELAIDE 7.11.53
ST KILDA 8.11.59

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The Crows continue to stay in touch when at times Saints look like being able to run away with the game. Brett Cook being dominate once again as a ruckman, against the best in the business Shaun Rehn. A free-kick to Troy Bond which resulted in a goal came, but Loewe quickly replied with his first. Rintoul kicked a bouncing goal from outside 50 to draw it closer once again.

[Lonie_from_50]

IMO we lost that game in the ruck and because rehn beat the crap out of us in that last quarter by dropping in the hole, with everitt there there may have been a different story same too with modra and roo. However there is no point in ifs and maybes.

IMO from memory i think Jarman or Rehn should have got the Norm smith although I havn't really watched that heart breaking game since 1997, only snippets of it even though I have it on tape.

Rehn at this point in time has 18 hitouts, but also has been 'dragged' in the first quarter. Brett Cook has been great in the Centre Bounce ruck so far, but as you said, it was the last quarter we need to look at.

[Rough_Edges]

ahh..Jarman we all hate you.

[m.diddy]

ahh..Jarman we all hate you.
We sure ********ing do, he was easily BOG in that game IMO,.

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

*yawn* that was 9 years ago. Time to move on isn't it? :D

k
xx

[dyertribe]

Was finally able to give the DVD I got for Christmas a run, along the way thought I'd compile the too long neglected statistical category of goal assists:


Adelaide Goals:

01.04 (10) - Kym KOSTER (Foot Pass) to Shane ELLEN (Set Shot)
02.05 (17) - Andrew MCLEOD (Foot Pass) to Troy BOND (Set Shot)
03.06 (24) - Jayson DANIELS (Free Kick) to Shane ELLEN (Set Shot)
04.08 (32) - Troy BOND (Hand Pass) to Simon GOODWIN (Run)
05.09 (39) - Tyson EDWARDS (Foot Pass) to Troy BOND (Set Shot)
06.10 (46) - Justin PECKETT (Free Kick) to Troy BOND (Set Shot)
07.10 (52) - Kym KOSTER (Foot Pass) to Chad RINTOUL (Set Shot)
08.10 (58) - Brett JAMES (Foot Pass) to Shane ELLEN (Set Shot)
09.11 (65) - Nigel SMART (Foot Pass) to Darren JARMAN (Set Shot)
10.11 (71) - Chad RINTOUL (Foot Pass) to Shane ELLEN (Set Shot)
11.11 (77) - OFFHANDS to Peter CAVEN (Run)
12.11 (83) - Jamie SHANAHAN (Free Kick) to Darren JARMAN (Set Shot)
13.11 (89) - Kym KOSTER (Foot Pass) to Darren JARMAN (Set Shot)
14.11 (95) - Matthew ROBRAN (Tap On) to Darren JARMAN (Run)
15.11 (101) - OFFHANDS to Darren JARMAN (Run)
16.11 (107) - Chad RINTOUL (Hand Pass) to Shane ELLEN (Run)
17.11 (113) - OFFHANDS to Darren JARMAN (Run)
18.11 (119) - OFFHANDS to Troy BOND (Run)
19.11 (125) - Peter CAVEN (Foot Pass) to Nigel SMART (Set Shot)

St. Kilda Goals

01.01 (07) - Stewart LOEWE (Hand Pass) to Jason HEATLEY (Run)
02.01 (13) - Barry HALL (Foot Pass) to Jason HEATLEY (Set Shot)
03.06 (24) - Andrew THOMPSON (Hand Pass) to Austinn JONES (Run)
04.06 (30) - Rod KEOGH (Hand Pass) to Barry HALL (Run)
05.06 (36) - Nicky WINMAR (Foot Pass) to Barry HALL (Set Shot)
06.06 (42) - Rod KEOGH (Foot Pass) to Barry HALL (Set Shot)
07.09 (51) - Jason HEATLEY (Tap On) to Robert HARVEY (Run)
08.11 (59) - Nicky WINMAR (Foot Pass) to Stewart LOEWE (Set Shot)
09.12 (66) - LOOSE BALL GET to Nicky WINMAR (Run)
10.14 (74) - Stewart LOEWE (Hit Out) to Nathan BURKE (Run)
11.14 (80) - Andrew THOMPSON (Hand Pass) to Justin PECKETT (Run)
12.15 (87) - OFFHANDS to Jason HEATLEY (Run)
13.15 (93) - David PITTMAN (Free Kick) to Stewart LOEWE (Set Shot)

Goal Assists, Adelaide

Koster - 3
Rintoul - 2
McLeod - 1
Bond - 1
Smart - 1
James - 1
Edwards - 1
Robran - 1
Caven - 1
(Offhands/Gets - 4)
(Free Kicks - 3)

Goal Assists, St. Kilda

Leowe - 2
Thompson - 2
Winmar - 2
Keogh - 2
Hall - 1
Heatley - 1
(Offhands/Gets - 2)
(Free Kicks - 1)

[Lonie_from_50]

good stuff dyertribe

[meh]

This match was on the Fox Footy Vault thing today...boy it brings back memories.

How good was McLeod though, it was like he was invisible, tackles were made and he just slipped through. What a star.

Jars in the final quarter was simply stunning.

[Lonie_from_50]

Yeah saw that on FFC, Jarman's final quarter was just unbelievable.