Douglas - Michael, Kirk and now Richard - all stars

[bigman]

Saw the game the other night and was so impressed with what i saw from young Douglas.

Shades of Ben Cousins (but not on the grog). This boy is going to be an absolute superstar and forget those people who say he will not play this year he will play in 2006 I have no doubt. He will go down as our Best First Round Draft pick. He can do anything and can even take a good hangar for a player of his size.

Vince also confirmed my faith, not so much in the number of touches, but in what he did with the ball when he got it. He can kick very long distances and has a touch of the Scott Welsh about him.

Also really liked Knights game. As I stated at the end of 2004 he could nearly be the steal of that year's draft and another wonderful gem from our Recruiting team.

We have our new midfield for the coming years starting to take shape - Douglas, Knights and of course VB who looked to have gone up another rung in performance in this game.

Unlike others I saw some good signs with the Meese. His work up forward on occasions was very encouraging and I loved that snap over his shoulder.

Maric was also very good with his tapping.

Hinge needs to hit the ball with more intensity. he got hit a few times however he impressed me with his ability to get up and recover quickly from the collision.

Pfeiffer limited game time but rest assured we have another winner here.

Others to impress - Kenny, Hentschell, Skipworth (has he increased his pace this year????, Rutten, Bock, Perrie.

Given we had so many regulars out we can be satisfied with most aspects of the night.:) :thumbsu:

[cro_Magnum]

Yeah sure, a superstar and all that but does he have a cleft chin?

[bigman]

Yeah sure, a superstar and all that but does he have a cleft chin?

Not sure but he might have a basic instinct, when hes not romancing the stone.

[cro_Magnum]

Not sure but he might have a basic instinct, when hes not romancing the stone.
I prefer spartacus but its hard to get that into a sentence.

[macca23]

Yeah sure, a superstar and all that but does he have a cleft chin?

I'd worry more as to whether he was a root rat than having a cleft chin!! :D :D

Seriously, bigman is right on the money with Douglas.

In my review of the game v Norwood, I made the comment that he will be the best genuine rover we have ever drafted.

Not sure about the club's plans to play him this year or not, only because of body size, but be rest assured KG, Douglas is a beauty!!

[snakebite01]

In my review of the game v Norwood, I made the comment that he will be the best genuine rover we have ever drafted.

Not sure about the club's plans to play him this year or not, only because of body size, but be rest assured KG, Douglas is a beauty!!

We should definitely give him several games this year even if he doesn't fully deserve them over an other fringe player (ie. choice out of Douglas and Massie should go to Douglas even if Massie has better form). I know it goes against Craig's policy, but the one way you feel part of a footy club is if you are playing in the first team. We've got to be a bit smarter with how we treat youth. It's no surprise Watts wanted to go home as if you play virtually no games you don't feel a part of the team and consequently get more homesick.

Douglas and Meesen should definitely be looked after in this respect and to a lesser extent Maric. Knights and VB look like they will fully earn their spots though.

[Bentleigh]

I wanted him @ 8 after I saw him in the finals for Calder.

[crowsarethebest]

Bigman.. you think all our guys are superstars:D You never know with these guys.. Look at Jared Brennan for example... He looked like an absolute superstar but he has a horrible run with injuries, so please don't go over the top.

[outback jack]

Bigman.. you think all our guys are superstars:D

agree bigman lets see some players you dont rate.

[oldcrow]

Hi - I look often but post little. Macca23 has raised an interesting point - how many decent rovers have we drafted?

[SpringChoke]

We should definitely give him several games this year even if he doesn't fully deserve them over an other fringe player (ie. choice out of Douglas and Massie should go to Douglas even if Massie has better form). I know it goes against Craig's policy, but the one way you feel part of a footy club is if you are playing in the first team. We've got to be a bit smarter with how we treat youth. It's no surprise Watts wanted to go home as if you play virtually no games you don't feel a part of the team and consequently get more homesick.



I agree on all counts. What are we gaining by playing the likes of S Stevens, Massie, Doughty ahead of the youngsters. It's time to make some sacrifices as the clock is ticking fast. At the moment the only proven midfielder we have in the 21-28 age bracket are Thompson and to a lesser extent Shirley, along with the rucks, that worries me. But then again, our young kpp stocks are probably the best they have ever been.

[Wayne's-World]

I'd worry more as to whether he was a root rat than having a cleft chin!! :D :D

Seriously, bigman is right on the money with Douglas.

In my review of the game v Norwood, I made the comment that he will be the best genuine rover we have ever drafted.

Not sure about the club's plans to play him this year or not, only because of body size, but be rest assured KG, Douglas is a beauty!!
Oh Macca how can you overlook Liptak - he'll have to be good to beat him - remember injury prevented us from seeing Liptak at his best

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

I think of Malcolm Douglas (the documentary guy) whenever I see or hear his name :eek:

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[Wayne's-World]

I think of Malcolm Douglas (the documentary guy) whenever I see or hear his name :eek:

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Never heard of him.....Am I ignorant:o

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

Never heard of him.....Am I ignorant:o

http://www.malcolmdouglas.com.au/home.htm

http://www.malcolmdouglas.com.au/pics/malcroc.jpg

[bigman]

Bigman.. you think all our guys are superstars:D You never know with these guys.. Look at Jared Brennan for example... He looked like an absolute superstar but he has a horrible run with injuries, so please don't go over the top.

Crows are the best - I am not always that charitable. i just happen to think we have recruited very well over the last few years and this year in particular.

Dont get me started on some of the players who have adorned the Crows gurnsey over the years. You wont get me singing from the rooftops about Scott Stevens, or Kris Massie, or even the Birdman when he plays selfish football or has a brain implode.

We actually have a pretty good list at the moment, so we can be postive about most of the playing group.

It was much easier to be critical when we were playing Ben Marsh etc.

[macca23]

Oh Macca how can you overlook Liptak - he'll have to be good to beat him - remember injury prevented us from seeing Liptak at his best

No WW, I didn't overlook Lippy, who was a damn good rover by the way.

Young Douglas has got tricks up his sleeve IMO that Lippy could only dream of. He's classy.

[Wayne's-World]

No WW, I didn't overlook Lippy, who was a damn good rover by the way.

Young Douglas has got tricks up his sleeve IMO that Lippy could only dream of. He's classy.
On the back of one internal trial - big big statement young fella

[AdelUniCrowFan]

Even though I am yet to see Richard play, the one thing I like the sound of is that he goes and gets the ball.

From the AFL Prospectus
Last Year
for Vic Metro (U18 Champs)
3 games Ave 13.3 disposals (77.5% effective), 78.6% possession contested.

for Calder (TAC Cup) (all averages)
13 games 24.0 disposals (72% effective), 2.7 ratio Kick to Handball, 54.7% contested possession, 5.1 marks, 5.9 Inside 50s, 5.2 Clearances, 4.8 Inside 50,

Kicked 13.14 for the year.

Whilst his possession isn't always effective, it will be developed over time, but his stats for attacking the ball, and winning in contested situations is very impressive.

[Markthirtytwo]

Never heard of him.....Am I ignorant:o


He's a wild man that eats off the land and goes around fighting real crocodiles.
Not those pussys in the zoos. :D

[*PAF]

http://www.malcolmdouglas.com.au/pics/photos/8.jpg

[Macca19]

Even though I am yet to see Richard play, the one thing I like the sound of is that he goes and gets the ball.

From the AFL Prospectus
Last Year
for Vic Metro (U18 Champs)
3 games Ave 13.3 disposals (77.5% effective), 78.6% possession contested.

for Calder (TAC Cup) (all averages)
13 games 24.0 disposals (72% effective), 2.7 ratio Kick to Handball, 54.7% contested possession, 5.1 marks, 5.9 Inside 50s, 5.2 Clearances, 4.8 Inside 50,

Kicked 13.14 for the year.

Whilst his possession isn't always effective, it will be developed over time, but his stats for attacking the ball, and winning in contested situations is very impressive.

77% and 72% effective disposal is very very poor whereas 78% and 54% contested footy is exceptionally good. He will need to improve his disposal at least 10% on the 72%. If he can bring 54% contested possesion into the AFL long term then he will be a true superstar

[Stiffy_18]

Even though I am yet to see Richard play, the one thing I like the sound of is that he goes and gets the ball.

From the AFL Prospectus
Last Year
for Vic Metro (U18 Champs)
3 games Ave 13.3 disposals (77.5% effective), 78.6% possession contested.

for Calder (TAC Cup) (all averages)
13 games 24.0 disposals (72% effective), 2.7 ratio Kick to Handball, 54.7% contested possession, 5.1 marks, 5.9 Inside 50s, 5.2 Clearances, 4.8 Inside 50,

Kicked 13.14 for the year.

Whilst his possession isn't always effective, it will be developed over time, but his stats for attacking the ball, and winning in contested situations is very impressive.
And he reportedly is a player that steps up when the pressure is on. Apparently he stepped up during the finals last year. You've got to love that attribute in a player.

[Bockchoy67]

And he reportedly is a player that steps up when the pressure is on. Apparently he stepped up during the finals last year. You've got to love that attribute in a player.

Yep. BOG is every final.

[Stiffy_18]

Yep. BOG is every final.
Thats music to my ears :D

[Joey Jo-Jo Junior]

I wanted him @ 8 after I saw him in the finals for Calder.

will be a gun, ive played footy with him n we've been great mates back over here in vic. bit like a simon black sorta player i reckon

[No 1 Draft Pick]

Oh Macca how can you overlook Liptak - he'll have to be good to beat him - remember injury prevented us from seeing Liptak at his best


thats true - to an extent. Liptak was our best ever crumber, it was just his at times awful disposal that let him down. You had to feel for Lippy and Trigger in the 97/97 final series after having been solid citizens for so many years for the club.

Our best ever rover would have to be Mc Guiness surely? (even though he was acquired through the initial crows concessions and not drafted)

[SpringChoke]

77% and 72% effective disposal is very very poor whereas 78% and 54% contested footy is exceptionally good. He will need to improve his disposal at least 10% on the 72%. If he can bring 54% contested possesion into the AFL long term then he will be a true superstar


:rolleyes:

[SpringChoke]

No WW, I didn't overlook Lippy, who was a damn good rover by the way.

Young Douglas has got tricks up his sleeve IMO that Lippy could only dream of. He's classy.

I love the sounds of this kid. With Knights, Douglas, Maric and to a lesser extent VB it sounds like we have a bit to feel confident about for the future. It's just a pity they're all Non-Sth Aussies.:eek:

[macca23]

77% and 72% effective disposal is very very poor whereas 78% and 54% contested footy is exceptionally good. He will need to improve his disposal at least 10% on the 72%. If he can bring 54% contested possesion into the AFL long term then he will be a true superstar

Genuine question Macca? Are those percentages for effective disposal really very very poor?

Without knowing I would have thought that was a good figure given how many disposals aren't effective during the course of a game.

Does anybody know what the average figure for effective disposals across the AFL is, which could then be used as a benchmark?

The reason I ask that is that Douglas's reputation actually is one of having very good disposal. Watching him at training and in the Norwood game only confirmed that reputation IMO.

[SpringChoke]

Genuine question Macca? Are those percentages for effective disposal really very very poor?

Without knowing I would have thought that was a good figure given how many disposals aren't effective during the course of a game.

Does anybody know what the average figure for effective disposals across the AFL is, which could then be used as a benchmark?

The reason I ask that is that Douglas's reputation actually is one of having very good disposal. Watching him at training and in the Norwood game only confirmed that reputation IMO.

I think Salpoak and "the Surj" are 95+%:rolleyes:

[*PAF]

I think Salpoak and "the Surj" are 95+%:rolleyes:
You should stop feeling insecure every time Macca19 posts something Springy. ;)

Had he posted the equivalent about a young Port player I would have taken it as a positive.
You can improve technique in players that's why so many athletes with next to no footballing skills are drafted nowadays, but the skills required to win contested possessions are not learned so readily.
Macca said that if your coaching staff improve his efficiency by 10% and maintain his contested ratio and you have a potential superstar. How the frig you see bias in that is beyond me.

As far as efficiency goes I have no idea what it means, but if it is a ratio of errors Vs possessions, then someone like Goodwin sits on over 90% and Biglands on just under 70%.

[SpringChoke]

You should stop feeling insecure every time Macca19 posts something Springy. ;)

Had he posted the equivalent about a young Port player I would have taken it as a positive.
You can improve technique in players that's why so many athletes with next to no footballing skills are drafted nowadays, but the skills required to win contested possessions are not learned so readily.
Macca said that if your coaching staff improve his efficiency by 10% and maintain his contested ratio and you have a potential superstar. How the frig you see bias in that is beyond me.

As far as efficiency goes I have no idea what it means, but if it is a ratio of errors Vs possessions, then someone like Goodwin sits on over 90% and Biglands on just under 70%.

I'll call it how I see it you don't like it tough titties. No watering down or fluffing up on this board. I don't have a problem with Macca at all, I quite enjoy his posts.However, like yours, I always take his Crows player assessments with a pinch of salt. There is always that element of bias as there would be if 95% of Crows supporters did an assessment of Port players.

[AdelUniCrowFan]

Champion Data defines

Kick Effective - Long - 40m+ to a 50/50 contest or better
Kick Effective - Short - <40m which results in uncontested possession or is to the teams advantage.

Kick Ineffective - Short - <40m to a contest
Kick Ineffective - Long - >40m to a worse than 50/50 contest

Kick Clanger - When a player under little to no pressure kicks directly to an opponent, who takes an uncontested mark or gains uncontested possession.

Handball Effective - A handball to a teammate that hits the intended target
Handball Ineffective - Handball that is not advantageous to the team but doesn't directly turn the ball over.
Handball Clanger - A handball under little to no pressure that goes directly to an opponent.

Genuine question Macca? Are those percentages for effective disposal really very very poor?

Without knowing I would have thought that was a good figure given how many disposals aren't effective during the course of a game.

Does anybody know what the average figure for effective disposals across the AFL is, which could then be used as a benchmark?

The reason I ask that is that Douglas's reputation actually is one of having very good disposal. Watching him at training and in the Norwood game only confirmed that reputation IMO.

One of our defenders over time has hit the target by foot 85% of the time and by hand 93% of the time, this in the elite category.

and

one midfielder had kicking efficiency of 76.7% last year which is classed as below average, whereas the year before he had 78.2% efficiency which was still classed as average.

For all categories
Elite is the top 10%, above average is 11% to 35%, average 36% to 65%, below average top 66% to 90%, and poor is bottom 10%.

for Springy
Surjan had 40% efficiency (ave 1.7 disposals) in his 3 AFL games last year, the year before was 73.5% (ave 6.8)

Salopek had 80.8% efficiency (ave 8.7) in his 6 games.

[Mad Dog]

Saw the game the other night and was so impressed with what i saw from young Douglas.

Shades of Ben Cousins (but not on the grog). This boy is going to be an absolute superstar and forget those people who say he will not play this year he will play in 2006 I have no doubt. He will go down as our Best First Round Draft pick. He can do anything and can even take a good hangar for a player of his size.

Vince also confirmed my faith, not so much in the number of touches, but in what he did with the ball when he got it. He can kick very long distances and has a touch of the Scott Welsh about him.

Also really liked Knights game. As I stated at the end of 2004 he could nearly be the steal of that year's draft and another wonderful gem from our Recruiting team.

We have our new midfield for the coming years starting to take shape - Douglas, Knights and of course VB who looked to have gone up another rung in performance in this game.

Unlike others I saw some good signs with the Meese. His work up forward on occasions was very encouraging and I loved that snap over his shoulder.

Maric was also very good with his tapping.

Hinge needs to hit the ball with more intensity. he got hit a few times however he impressed me with his ability to get up and recover quickly from the collision.

Pfeiffer limited game time but rest assured we have another winner here.

Others to impress - Kenny, Hentschell, Skipworth (has he increased his pace this year????, Rutten, Bock, Perrie.

Given we had so many regulars out we can be satisfied with most aspects of the night.:) :thumbsu:
Wow....:eek: :thumbsu:
this all seems very positive....so many superstars....so few field positions

[Mad Dog]

We should definitely give him several games this year even if he doesn't fully deserve them over an other fringe player (ie. choice out of Douglas and Massie should go to Douglas even if Massie has better form). I know it goes against Craig's policy, but the one way you feel part of a footy club is if you are playing in the first team. We've got to be a bit smarter with how we treat youth. It's no surprise Watts wanted to go home as if you play virtually no games you don't feel a part of the team and consequently get more homesick.

Douglas and Meesen should definitely be looked after in this respect and to a lesser extent Maric. Knights and VB look like they will fully earn their spots though.
If 95% of the squad are walk up starts for round 1 (as appears to be the case based on a practice game against a bottom ranked SANFL side in February)....we really will have a problem sharing around the game time this year. 1 in 4 of our squad (the highest proportion in the league) are yet to play an AFL game so I reckon Craigy will have a tough time giving them all enough games to keep them at the club.

For me I hope NC focuses on fielding our best side given that our premiership possibility window starts this year.

[Mad Dog]

I think of Malcolm Douglas (the documentary guy) whenever I see or hear his name :eek:

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I'm thinking Black Douglas.........but I'll get therapy for that !!

[snakebite01]

For me I hope NC focuses on fielding our best side given that our premiership possibility window starts this year.

It's a tough situation, particularly as we appear to be in a position to challenge for a premiership. But is playing Massie/Doughty/Stevens over a Douglas or Pfeiffer really going to be the difference between winning and losing a match?

I don't think so. IMO, players U23 should get preference over middle aged guys. Those guys should only be called upon in the case of a number of injuries to key/experienced players. It'll serve us much much better in the long run.

[Mad Dog]

It's a tough situation, particularly as we appear to be in a position to challenge for a premiership. But is playing Massie/Doughty/Stevens over a Douglas or Pfeiffer really going to be the difference between winning and losing a match?

I don't think so. IMO, players U23 should get preference over middle aged guys. Those guys should only be called upon in the case of a number of injuries to key/experienced players. It'll serve us much much better in the long run.
and if Douglas and Pfftieffer are in our best 22 - I've got no problems with that as a general rule....All I'm saying is I'd like to see them string at least a couple of SANFL games together first rather than judging them on track work and a trot against cellar-dwellars Norwood

[Markthirtytwo]

I'm thinking Black Douglas.........but I'll get therapy for that !!


I'll drink to that. ;)

[*PAF]

I'll call it how I see it you don't like it tough titties. No watering down or fluffing up on this board. I don't have a problem with Macca at all, I quite enjoy his posts.However, like yours, I always take his Crows player assessments with a pinch of salt. There is always that element of bias as there would be if 95% of Crows supporters did an assessment of Port players.
And your prerogative it is to treat posters such as myself and Macca19 as if we are biased against Crows players.

People on the Port board have expressed similar feelings whenever posters such as macca23 has done his yearly Port player assessment and when Stiffy has occasionally given his opinion about some of our players. Although even there no one would accuse them of bias if they were to label any of our youngsters potential champions. ;) :D
Myself, I do not see any bias in these posters just because they may or may not rate a player. IMO they just call it as they see it.

wrt myself I'd like to think I have never expressed an opinion on this board that would have been different if the player in question had played for Port. Except when I'm having a bit of a troll that is, but then it's usually pretty obvious. :)

[MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl]

I'm thinking Black Douglas.........but I'll get therapy for that !!

LOL this guy is yet to play a game and we have so many nicknames for him already :)

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[Macca19]

Genuine question Macca? Are those percentages for effective disposal really very very poor?

Without knowing I would have thought that was a good figure given how many disposals aren't effective during the course of a game.

Does anybody know what the average figure for effective disposals across the AFL is, which could then be used as a benchmark?

The reason I ask that is that Douglas's reputation actually is one of having very good disposal. Watching him at training and in the Norwood game only confirmed that reputation IMO.


Im just going by the stats in the AFL Consensus. I wont spoil the other thread by giving specific Crow player stats, but in the rest of the AFL....guys with well known superb foot skills have a much higher Disposal efficiency rating. Guys like Gilbee, Wirrpunda, Dal Santo, Dew have 85%+ (Dew has averaged 88% kicking efficiency over the past 5 years). Looking at the All Australian team from last year and most of those guys have either kicking or disposal efficiency between 80-86% over their careers.

Obviously its not the be all and end all. Its just a statistic. The 72% was taken from 13 TAC Cup games. If you were to compare that with the rest of the Crows squad and their figures from last yaer, 72% sits him 3rd last in your squad. So yes, 72% would be considered low or poor.

However, as I said originally, his contested possesion is exceptionally high. 54.7% contested possesion across 13 TAC Cup games is outstanding. Again, if you were to compare with Crows players from 2005, it would sit him 2nd in your entire squad.

My opinion is that if he can improve his disposal by about 10% and maintain something around 45-55% contested possesion then he will be a true superstar of the competition. So Springy how this is a bad thing I dont know.

As for the two you mentioned. Salopeks disposal has never been a real question mark. His kicking skills have been below average across his AFL career whilst his handball skills have been above average.

Surjans disposal efficiency of 40% is terrible. Ports best players are fairly predictable. Shaun Burgoyne has around 86% over his career, Dew 88% in his carrer (ranked 5th of all current players), Lade 84%, Wanganeen 86%.

[crowsarethebest]

Im just going by the stats in the AFL Consensus. I wont spoil the other thread by giving specific Crow player stats, but in the rest of the AFL....guys with well known superb foot skills have a much higher Disposal efficiency rating. Guys like Gilbee, Wirrpunda, Dal Santo, Dew have 85%+ (Dew has averaged 88% kicking efficiency over the past 5 years). Looking at the All Australian team from last year and most of those guys have either kicking or disposal efficiency between 80-86% over their careers.

Obviously its not the be all and end all. Its just a statistic. The 72% was taken from 13 TAC Cup games. If you were to compare that with the rest of the Crows squad and their figures from last yaer, 72% sits him 3rd last in your squad. So yes, 72% would be considered low or poor.

However, as I said originally, his contested possesion is exceptionally high. 54.7% contested possesion across 13 TAC Cup games is outstanding. Again, if you were to compare with Crows players from 2005, it would sit him 2nd in your entire squad.

My opinion is that if he can improve his disposal by about 10% and maintain something around 45-55% contested possesion then he will be a true superstar of the competition. So Springy how this is a bad thing I dont know.

As for the two you mentioned. Salopeks disposal has never been a real question mark. His kicking skills have been below average across his AFL career whilst his handball skills have been above average.

Surjans disposal efficiency of 40% is terrible. Ports best players are fairly predictable. Shaun Burgoyne has around 86% over his career, Dew 88% in his carrer (ranked 5th of all current players), Lade 84%, Wanganeen 86%.
He's got Potential ;)

[*PAF]

What does say 50% contested possessions mean exactly? I really have no idea. :confused:

[vantheman32]

D I C K douglas he is known as locally

[Macca19]

Contested possesions include hardball gets, looseball gets, contested marks and frees for. It says a player must win some sort of contest. In Douglas' case in the TAC Cup, 54.7% of all his possesions were won in a contested situation.

Think of the names that go with an inside or hard player. People like Chris Judd, Scott West, Simon Black, Josh Francou, Mark Ricciuto, Jason Johnson.

Chris Judd was 42% last year (career around 46%), Scott West last 5 years around 38%, Francou in his 2002 near Brownlow year was at 43%, Black in 2002 had 48%. League average for midfielders seems to be in the early 30s and the elite category seems to be around 42-48%. So if Douglas can keep it maybe not at 50% but above 40% then he will become one of the elite hardball winners in the AFL.

Key forwards have a much higher ratio peaking with Anthony Rocca at around 55% in his last 5 seasons.

[outback jack]

Contested possesions include hardball gets, looseball gets, contested marks and frees for. It says a player must win some sort of contest. In Douglas' case in the TAC Cup, 54.7% of all his possesions were won in a contested situation.

Think of the names that go with an inside or hard player. People like Chris Judd, Scott West, Simon Black, Josh Francou, Mark Ricciuto, Jason Johnson.

Chris Judd was 42% last year (career around 46%), Scott West last 5 years around 38%, Francou in his 2002 near Brownlow year was at 43%, Black in 2002 had 48%. League average for midfielders seems to be in the early 30s and the elite category seems to be around 42-48%. So if Douglas can keep it maybe not at 50% but above 40% then he will become one of the elite hardball winners in the AFL.

Key forwards have a much higher ratio peaking with Anthony Rocca at around 55% in his last 5 seasons.

macca19, do you have warren tredrea's contested possessions? They have always been of interest to me. Particularly his contested marking.

[*PAF]

macca19, do you have warren tredrea's contested possessions? They have always been of interest to me. Particularly his contested marking.
You're on the wrong board for that. ;)

[Macca19]

Averages about 7.6 contested possesions a game or 46.76% of his possesions are contested in the last 5 years. It is in the elite of the key forwards.

There are 6 regular forwards that have a higher percentage of contested possesions per game. A Rocca, Richardson, Neitz, Lloyd, Gehrig and Hamill.

[macca23]

Good work. Thanks Macca. :thumbsu:

[AdelUniCrowFan]

Im just going by the stats in the AFL Consensus. I wont spoil the other thread by giving specific Crow player stats, but in the rest of the AFL....guys with well known superb foot skills have a much higher Disposal efficiency rating. Guys like Gilbee, Wirrpunda, Dal Santo, Dew have 85%+ (Dew has averaged 88% kicking efficiency over the past 5 years). Looking at the All Australian team from last year and most of those guys have either kicking or disposal efficiency between 80-86% over their careers.

Obviously its not the be all and end all. Its just a statistic. The 72% was taken from 13 TAC Cup games. If you were to compare that with the rest of the Crows squad and their figures from last yaer, 72% sits him 3rd last in your squad. So yes, 72% would be considered low or poor.

However, as I said originally, his contested possesion is exceptionally high. 54.7% contested possesion across 13 TAC Cup games is outstanding. Again, if you were to compare with Crows players from 2005, it would sit him 2nd in your entire squad.

My opinion is that if he can improve his disposal by about 10% and maintain something around 45-55% contested possesion then he will be a true superstar of the competition. So Springy how this is a bad thing I dont know.

As for the two you mentioned. Salopeks disposal has never been a real question mark. His kicking skills have been below average across his AFL career whilst his handball skills have been above average.

Surjans disposal efficiency of 40% is terrible. Ports best players are fairly predictable. Shaun Burgoyne has around 86% over his career, Dew 88% in his carrer (ranked 5th of all current players), Lade 84%, Wanganeen 86%.

Do Port have a high possession game, i.e they often chip it around and rack up the disposals (and hence improve their efficiency).

That could suggest why Port's players probably tend to have an efficiency in the 80s while other clubs have more occurences in the 70s.

[SpringChoke]

And your prerogative it is to treat posters such as myself and Macca19 as if we are biased against Crows players.

People on the Port board have expressed similar feelings whenever posters such as macca23 has done his yearly Port player assessment and when Stiffy has occasionally given his opinion about some of our players. Although even there no one would accuse them of bias if they were to label any of our youngsters potential champions. ;) :D
Myself, I do not see any bias in these posters just because they may or may not rate a player. IMO they just call it as they see it.

wrt myself I'd like to think I have never expressed an opinion on this board that would have been different if the player in question had played for Port. Except when I'm having a bit of a troll that is, but then it's usually pretty obvious. :)


fair enough.

[SpringChoke]

Im just going by the stats in the AFL Consensus. I wont spoil the other thread by giving specific Crow player stats, but in the rest of the AFL....guys with well known superb foot skills have a much higher Disposal efficiency rating. Guys like Gilbee, Wirrpunda, Dal Santo, Dew have 85%+ (Dew has averaged 88% kicking efficiency over the past 5 years). Looking at the All Australian team from last year and most of those guys have either kicking or disposal efficiency between 80-86% over their careers.

Obviously its not the be all and end all. Its just a statistic. The 72% was taken from 13 TAC Cup games. If you were to compare that with the rest of the Crows squad and their figures from last yaer, 72% sits him 3rd last in your squad. So yes, 72% would be considered low or poor.

However, as I said originally, his contested possesion is exceptionally high. 54.7% contested possesion across 13 TAC Cup games is outstanding. Again, if you were to compare with Crows players from 2005, it would sit him 2nd in your entire squad.

My opinion is that if he can improve his disposal by about 10% and maintain something around 45-55% contested possesion then he will be a true superstar of the competition. So Springy how this is a bad thing I dont know.

As for the two you mentioned. Salopeks disposal has never been a real question mark. His kicking skills have been below average across his AFL career whilst his handball skills have been above average.

Surjans disposal efficiency of 40% is terrible. Ports best players are fairly predictable. Shaun Burgoyne has around 86% over his career, Dew 88% in his carrer (ranked 5th of all current players), Lade 84%, Wanganeen 86%.

Stop trying to destroy my argument with facts.