View Full Version : murali passes 1000 !!!!
593 test wickets
411 odi wickets
1004 wickets in international cricket !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW :eek:
You cant count the 300 or so against Bangladesh.
Cooldude
2 Mar 2006, 20:19
I believe he's the second man to do it after Wasim
I believe he's the second man to do it after Wasim
wasim akram took 502 odi wickets and 410ish test wickets. that aint 1000 in my books.
murali is the first man to do it.
Cooldude
2 Mar 2006, 20:24
Jesus, always had it in the back of my mind that Wasim's done the grand
Well done Murali
bombersno1
2 Mar 2006, 20:25
Take out the 300 against the Zimbots and the Bangers!
murali
145 v pakistan
128 v zimbabwe (87 in tests)
127 v south africa
122 v india
102 v new zealand
101 v australia
100 v west indies
91 v england
61 v bangladesh (43 in tests)
27 v other minnows in odi's
murali
145 v pakistan
128 v zimbabwe (87 in tests)
127 v south africa
122 v india
102 v new zealand
101 v australia
100 v west indies
91 v england
61 v bangladesh (43 in tests)
27 v other minnows in odi's
Legend.
bombersno1
2 Mar 2006, 20:53
So in other words over 20% of wickets that shouldn't even count!
So in other words over 20% of wickets that shouldn't even count!
And still averages better agaisnt quality countries than Warne?
bombersno1
2 Mar 2006, 21:02
And still averages better agaisnt quality countries than Warne?
So what, take out those 150 test wickets and Warney gets the record!
RoosterLad
2 Mar 2006, 21:04
1000 strike outs! what a great pitcher murali is
SorryIHammerChicken
2 Mar 2006, 21:05
So what, take out those 150 test wickets and Warney gets the record!
I love Warnie more than anyone but Murali deserves this record. Well done son
1000 strike outs! what a great pitcher murali is
:thumbsu:
NICK THE PIE MAN
2 Mar 2006, 21:06
No ball
bombersno1
2 Mar 2006, 21:08
No ball
Damn right!:thumbsu:
great effort
chucker or non chucker
Renegade
2 Mar 2006, 21:10
So what, take out those 150 test wickets and Warney gets the record!
Well the 150 wickets stand Murali has the record so stop your whinging.
Err....Murali still averages better agaisnt quality counteies EVEN IF YOU TAKE OUT THE ZIMBOS AND BANGAS.
Murali > Warne.
spell_check
2 Mar 2006, 21:48
Total Wickets vs. all countries in both Test and ODIs
Team Tests ODI Total
Africa XI 3 3
Australia 55 46 101
Bangladesh 46 18 64
Canada 1 1
England 69 22 91
ICC World XI 3 3
India 67 55 122
Kenya 13 13
Netherlands 4 4
New Zealand 52 50 102
Pakistan 68 77 145
South Africa 82 45 127
UAE 3 3
West Indies 70 30 100
Zimbabwe 87 41 128
Total 593 411 1004
Smokin_Joe
3 Mar 2006, 00:37
He would have been a great baseball pitcher...
GhostofJimJess
3 Mar 2006, 02:41
So what, take out those 150 test wickets and Warney gets the record!
I love Warney's bowling, but how many wickets does he have against the best batting lineup in the world?
Brilliant effort by Murali.
I love Warney's bowling, but how many wickets does he have against the best batting lineup in the world?
Brilliant effort by Murali.
he doesnt play against his own country.
otis_david
3 Mar 2006, 13:15
No ball
Oh the wit of Australian supporters :rolleyes:
Murali>Warne
Oh the wit of Australian supporters :rolleyes:
Murali>Warne
lets look at both impacts on the game of cricket.
i remember 10 years ago everybody wanted to bowl leg spin, funny i dont ever remember people wanting to chuck their offies, but it made for some good laughs.
Roonaldo!
3 Mar 2006, 15:00
http://www.cricketfundas.com/murali1.jpghttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/furniture/in_depth/cricket/2001/ashes/umpire/no_ball.jpg
credit where credit is due to murali.
Teagueeee15
3 Mar 2006, 18:45
Err....Murali still averages better agaisnt quality counteies EVEN IF YOU TAKE OUT THE ZIMBOS AND BANGAS.
Murali > Warne.
Murali has a great record don't get me wrong, but you have to take into account that he has played roughly 50% of his test and one day matches on Sri Lankan soil, where(especially from day 3 onwards in test matches) the conditions have been made to suit spin bowling.
warne hasnt played nearly as much on the spinner friendly subcontinent.
GhostofJimJess
3 Mar 2006, 19:26
he doesnt play against his own country.
My point exactly.
GhostofJimJess
3 Mar 2006, 19:27
warne hasnt played nearly as much on the spinner friendly subcontinent.
It aint necessarily "spinner friendly" ... it's just not "pace friendly".
Alkaline
3 Mar 2006, 19:54
Congrats great man.
Cooldude
3 Mar 2006, 19:56
It aint necessarily "spinner friendly" ... it's just not "pace friendly".
It is spinner friendly, Sri Lanka doctor their pitches to suit Murali all the time, worst kept secret
Ray Nolan
3 Mar 2006, 20:32
Congratulations Murali!
The greatest Cricketer in the universe.
My point exactly.
ok
so is that your main point on judging the two that Warne cant bowl against the country he plays for?? :rolleyes:
Congratulations Murali!
The greatest Cricketer in the universe.
what if Bradman was english
anti aussies form your queue after Ray Nolan
Greg Miller= Messiah
3 Mar 2006, 21:15
Super effort by a super man
Murali's played more against weak opposition
Warne's never had to play the best team in the world
they both are ********in legends. Don't debate it
SorryIHammerChicken
3 Mar 2006, 21:30
he doesnt play against his own country.
That's what he was getting at mate :rolleyes:
That's what he was getting at mate :rolleyes:
there an echo in here?
Drummond
3 Mar 2006, 21:55
A thread for someone who has yet to take a wicket? :eek:
Warne is a better bowler than Murali but peopel should give credit to Murali for what he has done he is a fantastic cricketer.
GhostofJimJess
4 Mar 2006, 20:37
ok
so is that your main point on judging the two that Warne cant bowl against the country he plays for?? :rolleyes:
Personally, I prefer not to repeatedly compare the two, as it effectively serves to denigrate two of the greatest bowlers in history. One is not necessarily a lesser bowler because of the existence of the other. They're both brilliant, and I would travel many miles to see either in action.
As for "my point"? Well, people seem to continually imply that one of the pair has claimed a significant proportion of his wickets against lesser batsmen. In response to this, my claim is that one of the pair has never had to bowl to the best batting line-up in the world, and so on that platform his record must also be questioned. Of course, it's impossible for Warney to have bowled against Ponting, Waugh, Waugh, Hayden, Langer etc., but Murali's stats do encompass the exposure to such a potent batting attack (Murali has also never had the luxury of having the best fast bowler in the world tying the batsmen up in knots up the other end every other over, but I digress).
Anyway, if cricket followers are going to start splitting hairs on the quality of scalp one bowler claims over another, then maybe we need a more specific statistic on wickets versus top-order, middle order and tailenders, as I'm sure both Warney's and Murali's wicket hauls include more than their fair share of the latter. And within that, maybe a bowler should accumulate "wicket points" based upon the batting average of the batsmen they've dismissed.
eg. Richie Richardson = 44.5 points, Courtney Walsh = 7.5 points
And those who continue to use the "Murali = chucker" line are as bad as those nitwits who seek to downgrade Warney's magnificent career by constantly (and unfairly) referring to him as a "drug cheat".
Get over the tunnel-vision brought on by parochialism, and enjoy the briliance of both men.
Personally, I prefer not to repeatedly compare the two, as it effectively serves to denigrate two of the greatest bowlers in history. One is not necessarily a lesser bowler because of the existence of the other. They're both brilliant, and I would travel many miles to see either in action.
As for "my point"? Well, people seem to continually imply that one of the pair has claimed a significant proportion of his wickets against lesser batsmen. In response to this, my claim is that one of the pair has never had to bowl to the best batting line-up in the world, and so on that platform his record must also be questioned. Of course, it's impossible for Warney to have bowled against Ponting, Waugh, Waugh, Hayden, Langer etc., but Murali's stats do encompass the exposure to such a potent batting attack (Murali has also never had the luxury of having the best fast bowler in the world tying the batsmen up in knots up the other end every other over, but I digress).
Anyway, if cricket followers are going to start splitting hairs on the quality of scalp one bowler claims over another, then maybe we need a more specific statistic on wickets versus top-order, middle order and tailenders, as I'm sure both Warney's and Murali's wicket hauls include more than their fair share of the latter. And within that, maybe a bowler should accumulate "wicket points" based upon the batting average of the batsmen they've dismissed.
eg. Richie Richardson = 44.5 points, Courtney Walsh = 7.5 points
And those who continue to use the "Murali = chucker" line are as bad as those nitwits who seek to downgrade Warney's magnificent career by constantly (and unfairly) referring to him as a "drug cheat".
Get over the tunnel-vision brought on by parochialism, and enjoy the briliance of both men.
great post, and yes agree most should take note on the last paragraph, but they wont.
Marstermind
5 Mar 2006, 08:30
OK. When I opened this thread I thought it was going to be about how Murali finally bowled his 1000th legitimate delivery in International Cricket.
Spiritof82
5 Mar 2006, 08:49
It is spinner friendly, Sri Lanka doctor their pitches to suit Murali all the time, worst kept secret
And they don't do that in Australia for Warne?
RoosterLad
5 Mar 2006, 10:58
And they don't do that in Australia for Warne?
Stupid comment!! Adelaide, Bellerive, Gabba, and Perth are hardly spinner friendly pitches. MCG isnt exactly a crumbling dung heap like the pitches in the sub continent, SCG is our only true turner
RoosterLad
5 Mar 2006, 10:59
OK. When I opened this thread I thought it was going to be about how Murali finally bowled his 1000th legitimate delivery in International Cricket.
haha you gotta bowl one decent ball before you get to 1000
Cooldude
5 Mar 2006, 11:45
And they don't do that in Australia for Warne?
Ummmm....... no
Stupidest question of the year, what makes it worse is it's rhetorical, so you actually believe that.
Northern_Swan
5 Mar 2006, 17:55
Can anyone post wickets by opponent from warne to make a true comparason instead of just beating the "i love Warnie" or "i love Murali" drum??
spell_check
5 Mar 2006, 19:28
Warne:
Team Tests ODI Total
Asian XI 2 2
Bangladesh 2 2
England 172 22 194
ICC WXI 6 6
India 43 15 58
Kenya 3 3
New Zealand 103 49 152
Pakistan 90 37 127
Scotland 3 3
South Africa 115 60 175
Sri Lanka 59 29 88
West Indies 65 50 115
Zimbabwe 6 21 27
Total 659 293 952
Muralitharan:
Team Tests ODI Total
Africa XI 3 3
Australia 55 46 101
Bangladesh 46 18 64
Canada 1 1
England 69 22 91
ICC World XI 3 3
India 67 55 122
Kenya 13 13
Netherlands 4 4
New Zealand 52 50 102
Pakistan 68 77 145
South Africa 82 45 127
UAE 3 3
West Indies 70 30 100
Zimbabwe 87 41 128
Total 593 411 1004
Well the 150 wickets stand Murali has the record so stop your whinging.
Word.
Congrats Murali.
crazy_big_al
6 Mar 2006, 13:05
No ball
I agree
lookout warnie is lurking :thumbsu:
694 test wickets
293 odi wickets
987 international wickets :D :thumbsu:
Throw, throw, throw the ball, gently down the seam
Murali, Murali, Murali, Murali, chucks it like a dream
Bowl, bowl, bowl the ball, gently through the air
Murali, Murali, Murali, Murali, here comes Darrell Hair … No Ball!
gaelictiogar
5 Dec 2006, 23:07
And still averages better agaisnt quality countries than Warne?
He averages better against some adn worst against others. FACT.
Warneys strike rate against real test countries is better or at least was until very recently. FACT.
He averages better against some adn worst against others. FACT.
Warneys strike rate against real test countries is better or at least was until very recently. FACT.
Murali has a better average though.
gaelictiogar
5 Dec 2006, 23:09
lookout warnie is lurking :thumbsu:
694 test wickets
293 odi wickets
987 international wickets :D :thumbsu:
And only 27 against the Bangers and Zimmers.....960 against real opposition.....legend.
And only 27 against the Bangers and Zimmers.....960 against real opposition.....legend.
Murali gets his wickets at a better average than Warne.
Warne has more wickets because he has played more games.
Murali will beat him.
Drummond
5 Dec 2006, 23:13
Murali gets his wickets at a better average than Warne.
Warne has more wickets because he has played more games.
Murali will beat him.
Hold up. You think Murali is better than Warne?
You think Murali is better than Warne?
Do you think Warne is infront of Murali like people think?
Warne here >>>>>>>>>>>>> Murali there?, is Warne really that much better than Murali.
Hard to split IMO.
Murali gets his wickets at a better average than Warne.
Warne has more wickets because he has played more games.
Murali will beat him.
After today Warne could go for another 10 years.
After today Warne could go for another 10 years.
I hope you are joking.
After the first innings, looked like warney was finished.
Warne will play for another 3-4-5 years I reckon.
I hope you are joking.
After the first innings, looked like warney was finished.
Warne will play for another 3-4-5 years I reckon.
Yeah after the first innings everyone looked finished :rolleyes:
Did you see his 26 overs (something like that) straight where he got 4 wickets and was going at 2 r.p.o :confused:
Warne can win you matches in the toughest situations like he did today! thats what makes him so great he wins you matche he is clutch
batsmen are ******** themselves facing warne thats why he is soo great
murali = chucker
also a great chant above hahahahaa
Yeah after the first innings everyone looked finished :rolleyes:
Did you see his 26 overs (something like that) straight where he got 4 wickets and was going at 2 r.p.o :confused:
10 years was a stupid call.
They are as good as each other.
10 years was a stupid call.
They are as good as each other.
Well I was exaggerating a little but 5 or maybe even 6 years isn't totally out of the question. Depends how his shoulder holds up.
Well I was exaggerating a little but 5 or maybe even 6 years isn't totally out of the question. Depends how his shoulder holds up.
Yep, agree.
Murali is a top bowler and bloke, dont see the need for people to bag him.
gaelictiogar
5 Dec 2006, 23:27
Murali gets his wickets at a better average than Warne.
Warne has more wickets because he has played more games.
Murali will beat him.
I will do some checking on cricinfo but Murali's average is about 22. Warnes 25. Factor out the Bangers and Zimmers - and they DO make a diifference - and it will be much closer.
Warnes SR is about 57.5. Muralis about 55. Again factor out easy picking against weak popposition and Warne is probably ahead.
These are facts.
Interestingly in ODIs Warne and Murali both have 36 SRs despite murali playing the minnows more often. Warne is the better batsman and fielder and no question the better cricketer.
just maybe
5 Dec 2006, 23:27
Murali gets his wickets at a better average than Warne.
Warne has more wickets because he has played more games.
Murali will beat him.
Forget games. Take note of overs.
Despite a lot less games, Murali has bowled nearly as many overs as Warne over their respective careers.
Sheds a new light on things.
Warne:
V ENG 181 wickets 8/71 23.21
V RSA 130 wickets 7/56 24.16
V IND 43 wickets 6/125 47.18
Murali:
V ENG 93 wickets 9/65 19.74
V RSA 104 wickets 7/84 22.22
V IND 67 wickets 8/87 32.47
Agaisnt the best 3 teams, Murali has a better average, thats a fair diff too.
If you look at his record V Aus, Murali its 31, thats the best team Murali plays.
India is the best team Warne plays agaisnt spin, he averages 47 V India.
just maybe
5 Dec 2006, 23:34
When Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are excluded, Warne has 677 wickets at 25.44. That is 17 career wickets against minnows.
Murali has 50 wickets from 6 matches at 12.52 against the Bangers, and 87 wickets from 14 matches at 16.86 against Zimbabwe.
That is 137 career wickets against minnows.
Warne > Murali
gaelictiogar
5 Dec 2006, 23:37
Warne:
V ENG 181 wickets 8/71 23.21
V RSA 130 wickets 7/56 24.16
V IND 43 wickets 6/125 47.18
Murali:
V ENG 93 wickets 9/65 19.74
V RSA 104 wickets 7/84 22.22
V IND 67 wickets 8/87 32.47
Agaisnt the best 3 teams, Murali has a better average, thats a fair diff too.
If you look at his record V Aus, Murali its 31, thats the best team Murali plays.
India is the best team Warne plays agaisnt spin, he averages 47 V India.
What % of each were at home? Makes a huge difference.
Anyone know the averages and SRs aginst real test nations AWAY from home where wickets are not made to measure? I bet Warne is ahead.
When Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are excluded, Warne has 677 wickets at 25.44. That is 17 career wickets against minnows.
Murali has 50 wickets from 6 matches at 12.52 against the Bangers, and 87 wickets from 14 matches at 16.86 against Zimbabwe.
That is 137 career wickets against minnows.
Warne > Murali
Murali averages 24 agaisnt all nations bar Bang and Zim.
Warne 25.
Bzzt!
Murali.
Saints Premiers 2006
5 Dec 2006, 23:41
what is it with the asain nations and cheating...warne cheats - in more ways than one ha ha - he's still a god and cops it on the chin...murali is a pathetic excuse for a baseball pitcher - he says he has a deformity in his arm yeh???well surely he would have the money to get it fixed by now surely...and even if not he still cheats and is a such a little bitch about it by running away from the media...has there ever been a pakistani off-spinner from the 90's/00's that possess a closely legal action???they all look the same and it all is illegal...and now asif and shoaib get off after playing the innocence card...the pathetic asain nations got their way again and got rid of umpire hair too just because he actually had the balls to stand up to their cheating - especially murali....******** the sub-continent cheats - they are just taking attention away from the underlying principle that they are completely useless on the world stage...******** off murali you pathetic little ********
what is it with the asain nations and cheating...warne cheats - in more ways than one ha ha - he's still a god and cops it on the chin...murali is a pathetic excuse for a baseball pitcher - he says he has a deformity in his arm yeh???well surely he would have the money to get it fixed by now surely...and even if not he still cheats and is a such a little bitch about it by running away from the media...has there ever been a pakistani off-spinner from the 90's/00's that possess a closely legal action???they all look the same and it all is illegal...and now asif and shoaib get off after playing the innocence card...the pathetic asain nations got their way again and got rid of umpire hair too just because he actually had the balls to stand up to their cheating - especially murali....******** the sub-continent cheats - they are just taking attention away from the underlying principle that they are completely useless on the world stage...******** off murali you pathetic little ********
Do you think before you post?
To me, I hold the two around equal. I know every stat points to Murali, but I just think Warne has that 'it.' (He's an Aussie).
I still respect Muralitharan hugely.
Scotland
6 Dec 2006, 00:52
Murali, 108 matches, 6023.1 overs, 657 wickets @ 21.97.
Warne, 143 matches, 6643.5 overs, 690 wickets @ 25.56.
Murali vs Bangladesh & Zimbabwe, 20 matches, 137 wickets @ 15.27.
Warne vs Bangadesh & Zimbabwe, 3 matches, 17 wickets @ 25.7
Murali has played 18.5% of his tests against minnows, compared to Warne's 2.1%.
Murali
61 tests in Sri Lanka, therefore 56% of tests at home.
8 India, 7 pakistan, 2 Bangladesh, therefore 72% of tests on the spin-friendly subcontinent.
Warne
66 tests in Australia, therefore 46% of tests at home.
9 India, 3 Pakistan, 9 Sri Lanka, 2 Bangladesh, therefore 16% of tests on the spin-friendly subcontinent.
Murali's good, but he's not Warne good.
Murali is a very good bowler, but the ICC had to change the rules so he wouldn't be called for no balling, which effectively means that 'chucking' is no longer illegal.
Is it good for cricket? Not sure about that, it certainly made the Asians happy, which is where alot of the money in cricket comes from, but somehow I don't think the laws of the game would have been changed if Murali's name was Brown and he was from New Zealand.
mudgeathon
6 Dec 2006, 07:25
Murali is a very good bowler, but the ICC had to change the rules so he wouldn't be called for no balling, which effectively means that 'chucking' is no longer illegal.
Is it good for cricket? Not sure about that, it certainly made the Asians happy, which is where alot of the money in cricket comes from, but somehow I don't think the laws of the game would have been changed if Murali's name was Brown and he was from New Zealand.
They didn't change the rules for him alone...do some research
Cassius_Clay
6 Dec 2006, 07:30
Hold up. You think Murali is better than Warne?
Whats wrong with thinking that?
JerryWexler
6 Dec 2006, 07:31
Whats wrong with thinking that?
A lot, because he isn't.
just maybe
6 Dec 2006, 08:42
Murali averages 24 agaisnt all nations bar Bang and Zim.
Warne 25.
Bzzt!
Murali.
Murali bowls a lot more overs. He is his team's prime attack force.
The Reaper
6 Dec 2006, 09:24
Compare his record to Australia's two great bowlers: Warne and McGrath
Warne and may break it this ashes series
Warne got 694 Test Wickets and 293 ODI wickets for a total of 987 wickets.
Shane Warne
International Wickets
Asian XI 2
Bangladesh 13
England 203
ICC World XI 6
India 58
Kenya 3
New Zealand 152
Pakistan 127
South Africa 190
Scotland 3
Sri Lanka 88
West Indies 115
Zimbabwe 27
Glenn McGrath has 551 test wickets and 342 ODI Wickets and 5 Twenty20 International wickets for a combined 898 wickets
International Wickets
Asian XI 1
Bangladesh 8
England 189
ICC World XI 6
India 83
Kenya 4
Nambia 7
Netherlands 0
New Zealand 112
Pakistan 137
South Africa 111
Scotland 1
Sri Lanka 70
USA 0
West Indies 143
Zimbabwe 24
Warne got 0/112 in his first innings against the Bangers.:D
The Reaper
6 Dec 2006, 10:03
Warne got 0/112 in his first innings against the Bangers.:D
something that suprised me with McGrath's average record against the useless teams
gaelictiogar
6 Dec 2006, 10:17
Murali, 108 matches, 6023.1 overs, 657 wickets @ 21.97.
Warne, 143 matches, 6643.5 overs, 690 wickets @ 25.56.
Murali vs Bangladesh & Zimbabwe, 20 matches, 137 wickets @ 15.27.
Warne vs Bangadesh & Zimbabwe, 3 matches, 17 wickets @ 25.7
Murali has played 18.5% of his tests against minnows, compared to Warne's 2.1%.
Murali
61 tests in Sri Lanka, therefore 56% of tests at home.
8 India, 7 pakistan, 2 Bangladesh, therefore 72% of tests on the spin-friendly subcontinent.
Warne
66 tests in Australia, therefore 46% of tests at home.
9 India, 3 Pakistan, 9 Sri Lanka, 2 Bangladesh, therefore 16% of tests on the spin-friendly subcontinent.
Murali's good, but he's not Warne good.
Excellent post looking behind the headline figures to see some real truths.
other issues are
1. Murali who is effectively his nations main strike bowler gets more use of the newish ball than warne has don over his career.
2 Though CrazyQ points out murali is 24 and warne 25 on average against the real teams what about Strike rate? Warne is marginally ahead.
Honest fair assessment of like for like stats from like for like tests reveal 2 all time greats with Warne marginally ahead all told.
Should have all his wickets taken off him. That action is a disgrace and if anyone was to abide by the rules and ban him the Lankans would all cry foul.
Everyones racist, we're being victimised, we always have been. Its rubbish.
The Reaper
6 Dec 2006, 10:21
Excellent post looking behind the headline figures to see some real truths.
other issues are
1. Murali who is effectively his nations main strike bowler gets more use of the newish ball than warne has don over his career.
2 Though CrazyQ points out murali is 24 and warne 25 on average against the real teams what about Strike rate? Warne is marginally ahead.
Honest fair assessment of like for like stats from like for like tests reveal 2 all time greats with Warne marginally ahead all told.
the new ball doesnt always help spinners
However, many of the wickets in Sri Lanka are tailor made for Murali. Many of the wickets Warne plays on are paceman friendly.
Also Murali only has to compete with Vaas for wickets. Warne had to compete with McGrath, McDermott, Gillespie, Lee, MacGill all with 200 wickets (macgill has 197)
King Elvis
6 Dec 2006, 10:26
Should have all his wickets taken off him. That action is a disgrace and if anyone was to abide by the rules and ban him the Lankans would all cry foul.
Everyones racist, we're being victimised, we always have been. Its rubbish.
Completely agree, I don't give a ******** what anyone says, Murali is a cheat.
The ICC are a bloody disgrace, and the fact that a chucker is going to go down in History as one of the 'best bowlers' ever is a blight on the game.
That being said, I actually quite like Murali, and I don't hold a grudge against him.
I think he's a cheat, but I blame the ICC.
********ers.
Completely agree, I don't give a ******** what anyone says, Murali is a cheat.
The ICC are a bloody disgrace, and the fact that a chucker is going to go down in History as one of the 'best bowlers' ever is a blight on the game.
That being said, I actually quite like Murali, and I don't hold a grudge against him.
I think he's a cheat, but I blame the ICC.
********ers.
Bull****. How is he a cheat?
Please, humour me. His action falls within the current ICC guidelines (he's been tested countless times). Therefore, logic says he isn't a cheat, just a ****ing good bowler.
I bet you are also one of those people who think Malinga chucks just because his action is a little different.
The rules weren't changed to suit Murali, that's just asinine (considering three players have been banned in Perera, Shabbir and Botha). They were changed to a universal 15 degrees, because if I remember correctly, spinners were only allowed five degrees which other bowlers were allowed more. That was just stupidity.
gaelictiogar
6 Dec 2006, 10:54
the new ball doesnt always help spinners
However, many of the wickets in Sri Lanka are tailor made for Murali. Many of the wickets Warne plays on are paceman friendly.
Also Murali only has to compete with Vaas for wickets. Warne had to compete with McGrath, McDermott, Gillespie, Lee, MacGill all with 200 wickets (macgill has 197)
Good point about the competition reaper which explains why Murali on average bowld more balls than warne per match - there is no one else!!!
On the new ball it doesn't always help as you say but more often than not the extra spit and bounce it provides can be harnessed well by players of the quality of these two. I can't prove it but i suspect murali has had much greater use of the ball before say 30 overs than Warne has had.
I think with Warne, much like Ponting in terms of runs, he needs to take wickets in India before a lot of the fas can safely say he's better than Muralitharan.
I have no doubt Punter will, but whether or not Warne makes it to the next Indian tour, we'll have to wait and see.
They didn't change the rules for him alone...do some research
Just a coincidence right? :rolleyes:
pfft, believe what you want to believe. The fact is that money is the bottom line.
Just a coincidence right? :rolleyes:
pfft, believe what you want to believe. The fact is that money is the bottom line.
Considering a lot of the bowlers in the world were bowling illegally at that time (the ICC said everyone bar Sarwan, but I have doubts about that), they had to change it.
Under the old rules, Lee, Harbhajan, Gillespie, Shoaib, even McGrath (again, I don't know if I believe that statistic), were bowling illegally.
Considering a lot of the bowlers in the world were bowling illegally at that time (the ICC said everyone bar Sarwan, but I have doubts about that), they had to change it.
Under the old rules, Lee, Harbhajan, Gillespie, Shoaib, even McGrath (again, I don't know if I believe that statistic), were bowling illegally.
Shoaib yes, Lee possible, McGraph doubtful.
But is this really the direction we want cricket to be going down? Hell, we might as well steriods ok to take so they can bowl even faster and recover from injuries quicker. Just because a couple of high profile bowlers had suspect actions doesn't mean you should change the rules to make a group of people happy. Murali was top of the list as the worst offenders, and now we're going to have a whole new generation of bowlers come through with similiar actions
The ICC have constantly bowed to pressure from the Asian countries, this is just another example, and it's always because of money.
The Reaper
6 Dec 2006, 11:23
Considering a lot of the bowlers in the world were bowling illegally at that time (the ICC said everyone bar Sarwan, but I have doubts about that), they had to change it.
Under the old rules, Lee, Harbhajan, Gillespie, Shoaib, even McGrath (again, I don't know if I believe that statistic), were bowling illegally.
at Lee and Shoaibs pace it is quite likley they bowled a few illegal balls. But McGrath... No way
SriLankanCat
6 Dec 2006, 12:18
They are both great bowlers, why try and belittle one to promote the other...
Murali has pitches that help him but so does Warne...i mean did u see the turn in the adelaide pitch yesterday? Plus The Gabba is one of warnies favorutie wickets...
Australian wickets have spin AND bounce a lethal combination...
Isnt it amazing that when a subcontinent batsman scores runs everyone says it is because htey are easy low pitches...but when a bowler takes wickets, the wicket is tailor made for a spinbowler him??? so which one is it?
I mean, if that is the case, then Wasim Akram and Chaminda Vaas and the like are as good as Mcgrath et al because they dont have wickets that suit them...or are the subcontinent people magicians that they can maek the pitch suit whoever they like :P
Lets face it, everyone does well at home cause they are used to the conditions...aussie batsman do well on bounce tracks cause they are use to it...subcontinent batsman do well on slow low tracks cause they are use to it too
SriLankanCat
6 Dec 2006, 12:22
As for Mcgrth et al other being illegal...that is a joke and shwos that the icc rules were wrong
BTW the icc regulations and the laws of cricket are not the same thing
according ot the laws of the game u haev to bend and then straighten for it to be illegal...
And the rules ocmmitte arent allowing murali to chuck cause of his arm, his arm shows taht he doenst chuck becasue he cant straighten it...which is wat u need for a chuck to happen...partial straighting always happens, unless u have a sling action everyone will partially straighten their arm
gdmclean
6 Dec 2006, 12:30
Crickets got great wrist spinners and finger spinners.
Murali will go down as the greatest elbow-extending spinner of all time - a category all of his own.
Fckn chucker :thumbsd:
smooking39
6 Dec 2006, 13:11
Warne is currently on 987 wickets and he dosent play ODI's so i think the record should go to him because he plays less games against poor teams and if he was still play ODI's he would be easily over 1100 wickets.
Cassius_Clay
6 Dec 2006, 13:14
A lot, because he isn't.
In your very biased opinion.
The record shows he's better.
TheBushranger
6 Dec 2006, 13:55
Murali= cheat
Warnie= legend