What if a team of batters played a team of bowlers?

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Batters
Matthew Hayden - Aus
Justin Langer - Aus
Brian Lara - W.I
Sachin Tendulkar - Ind
Jacques Kallis - S.A (Slightly better batting all-rounder than bowling)
Inzamam-Ul-Haq - Pak
Ricky Ponting - Aus
Kumar Sangakkara - S.L
Marcus Trescothick - Eng
Habibul Bashir - Ban
Hamish Marshall - N.Z

Bowlers
Glenn McGrath - Aus
Shane Warne - Aus
Muttiah Muralitharan - S.L
Daniel Vettori - N.Z (Slightly better bowling all-rounder that bat)
Stephen Harmison - Eng
Zaheer Khan - Ind
Shoaib Akhtar - Pak
Tappash Baisya - Ban
Fidel Edwards - W.I
Shaun Tait :thumbsu: - Aus
Makhaya Ntini - S.A

(One from each Test team at the moment, 3 Aussies - I'm Biased :D )

Who would win?

[otis_david]

Done it on CricSim, think it split pretty evenly.

[Kahuna]

Too close to call for me.

[Skooks]

Batters Easily!!

Its a batsmens game.

Bowlers would get rolled, as there at a few batsmen that can bowl decent, yet very few bowlers that can stroll up and make a ton.

The batters face top bowlers like these guys all the time, they have the odds in their favour

Batters very easily for mine

[eddiesmith]

Bowlers or a draw, you could very easily pick a good batting lineup made of bowlers from around the world, and with 11 bowlers the pressure is always on the batting team whereas the batsman have no decent bowlers

If the bowlers could clean up the batsman then they would win, if the batsman make a big score it would be a draw

[apollo_creed]

Ummmm...

Why is Zaheer Khan in there?

[spell_check]

Ummmm...

Why is Zaheer Khan in there?

Ah yes, that's the best I could think of at the time, but now I've thought of Kumble.

[Star]

Bowlers.

How many times have you seen a batsmen pick up the ball and save his team?

[spell_check]

Bowlers or a draw, you could very easily pick a good batting lineup made of bowlers from around the world, and with 11 bowlers the pressure is always on the batting team whereas the batsman have no decent bowlers

If the bowlers could clean up the batsman then they would win, if the batsman make a big score it would be a draw

Could you post these teams on the CricSim, as Otis said, and see how they go on there?

[Sanguinarius]

Batsmen normally have to face top class bowlers - they're used to it. Once you get above 5 bowlers it becomes pointless.


You still need to score runs to win - and other than warne on occasions and Vetorri's 2 x 100's - they dont have anyone to really do anything more than go for a slog.

The batsmen on the other hand have kallis and Tendulka - both players who have 5 for's in international cricket.

So in my thinking the batsmen would probably score between 3-600 (less depending on the wicket) while the bowlers, barring one or two are just sloggers, who I wouldnt back to make more than 200-250

[eddiesmith]

Could you post these teams on the CricSim, as Otis said, and see how they go on there?

If someone could post their averages I will

Maybe pick a stronger bowlers side, say add Pathan

[Grimwood]

Give the bowlers Pathan, Lee, Pollock, Vaas and Flintoff and then we might get a good game.

[eddiesmith]

Give the bowlers Pathan, Lee, Pollock, Vaas and Flintoff and then we might get a good game.

Warne, Murali, Vettori, Bond, McGrath and Ntini

[GG]

Don't forget there are no keepers in either side, so whatever edges happened the "bowlers" side would probably drop a lot of them in the slips. While there would actually be a few specialist slips/backup keepers in the "batsmen" side to take whatever edges did come their way.

With this in mind too, then the batters side would probably post a big total, given they're accustomed to facing top class bowling all the time.

While it would be very awkward for any of the "bowlers" side to have to face the new ball, open the bat, and build an innings.

[The Reaper]

Why does the batting lineup have a genuine test allroudner? that amkes it a bit unfair.

Bowlers win test matches.

[johnnyhoward]

Batsmen easily. As if you will use 11 bowlers in a game of cricket, it's just redundant. 5 or 6 would more than suffice.

Whatever the conditions, the batsmen will make a huge score, while you would never back the bowlers to score over 200-250 on a good day. A low-scoring Indian dustbowl pitch might even things up though...

[Sidey_87]

Batsmen easily. As if you will use 11 bowlers in a game of cricket, it's just redundant. 5 or 6 would more than suffice.

Whatever the conditions, the batsmen will make a huge score, while you would never back the bowlers to score over 200-250 on a good day. A low-scoring Indian dustbowl pitch might even things up though...
Batsmen would kill them, as they already face the best bowlers, everyone would make 30 odd so 350+, then they would easily get the bowlers all out.
Players like Warne and Pathan would have to make 100's just for their side to be competitive.

[The Dice Man]

In a 50 over match.. Batters would score 450-500 while the bowlers would be lucky to get 100.


Batters so easily it aint funny.

[jimmy_clement#8]

if its pure bowlers vs pure batsmen, it would be draw in a test match even though i favour the bowlers. why? if i was murali, id love to be facing the bowling of hayden lara and the like. and youd have and extra 6 or 7 bowlers to take on an extra 4 or 5 batsmen. the bowlers are in the better possie but its more likely you wouldnt get a result i feel. for an odi, batsmen would easily get more runs, the limited overs helps them out heaps and thus smash the bowlers.

[Jaymin]

In a 50 over match.. Batters would score 450-500 while the bowlers would be lucky to get 100.


Batters so easily it aint funny.

Why would the batsman suddenly be able to score 9 to 10 an over against the 11 best bowlers in the world? :confused:

[dA Crow]

Batters easily, plus the fact the bowlers have no keeper :eek:

[The Dice Man]

Why would the batsman suddenly be able to score 9 to 10 an over against the 11 best bowlers in the world? :confused:


Because instead of having only 6 or maybe 7 pure batters, you would have 11. Basically twice as much batting depth.

[Power21]

Because instead of having only 6 or maybe 7 pure batters, you would have 11. Basically twice as much batting depth.

Doesn't mean they can all of a sudden score ten an over though.

[GG]

Then again, if McGrath and Warne alone can account for 1200 Australian Test wickets, imagine what another 9 top class bowlers could do. Especially on a balanced wicket, not ODI flat track.

Still, the batters coming on to bowl would likely sort out the "bowling" side.

When you think of the best 11 bowlers, in being a great bowler in itself means being crappy at bat.

[The Dice Man]

Doesn't mean they can all of a sudden score ten an over though.


Doesnt mean they cant either.

Australia look to nudge 400 every now and then, so Id say 11 top batsmen could reach 500 no sweat.

[Power21]

Doesnt mean they cant either.

Australia look to nudge 400 every now and then, so Id say 11 top batsmen could reach 500 no sweat.

I think it would be closer than people think, 11 bowlers means they are always fresh, bowling 4 or 5 over spells then off. Also makes it hard for a bastmen to get used to a bowler when they are changing to a fresh guy every 10 or 12 overs.

I think it would be a close game or a walkover by the batsmen, because the bowlers will never chase a huge total no matter who is bowling, where as the bastmen would be odds on to post a very good score and therefore shut the bowlers out of the game.

[Roonaldo!]

This debate's quite good, can some please put it on a sim?

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Batting Bowling
Player Avg. S.R Avg. S.R
Hayden - 54.17 60.79 N/A N/A (0/40)
Langer - 45.72 53.86 N/A N/A (0/3)
Ponting - 57.71 59.12 44.80 103.0
Bashir - 33.61 60.00 N/A N/A (0/195)
Trescothick - 45.47 55.15 155.00 300.0
Tendulkar - 56.07 51.16 90.0
Kallis - 57.04 42.80 31.61 68.3
Marshall - 48.58 48.78 N/A N/A (0/4)
Inzamam-Ul-Haq - 52.37 54.38 N/A N/A (0/8)
Lara - 54.18 60.51 N/A N/A (0/28)
Sangakkara - 46.86 N/A N/A (0/4)

McGrath - 7.51 41.48 21.55 51.6
Warne - 16.65 56.59 25.15 57.6
Tait - 8.00 29.62 42.00 57.6
Baisya - 11.29 49.93 59.36 93.7
Harmison - 11.52 63.35 29.04 56.0
Kumble - 17.35 29.01 66.0
Ntini - 10.41 55.76 29.22 55.8
Vettori - 24.09 53.44 34.49 77.4
Shoaib Akhtar - 10.74 42.08 25.69 45.3
Edwards - 4.44 24.34 45.28 67.7
Muralitharan - 12.59 22.29 65.0

The only problems now is to place both sides in a batting order, and what pitch would be used. I'd say go down the middle and have a normal pitch.

[spell_check]

There you go Eddie, averages are up.

[eddiesmith]

There you go Eddie, averages are up.
Cheers, will do it before the ODI starts

[nananana catman]

Why does the batting lineup have a genuine test allroudner? that amkes it a bit unfair.

Bowlers win test matches.
They also have a genuine keeper (Sangakarra)

[Armageddon]

3 test series:
Batters vs Bowlers

1st match at WACA: bowlers pitch
2nd match at Adelaide Oval: batters pitch
3rd match at MCG: normal pitch

[eddiesmith]

Seems these stats are too much for the sim to handle :p

[eddiesmith]

The sim for whatever reason will not let the Bowlers bowl and the batsman bat, it worked for the innings where they did the opposite

Proof that Kallis makes the sides uneven, he took 10/126 :p

[eddiesmith]

Still wont do it, tried another attempt, Kallis took all the wickets again, all 5 of them :p

5/426 :eek:
Pathan and Vettori made centuries, Warney made about 70

But it wont let the batsman reply, seems to have a problem with the bowlers team bowling, too many options maybe?

[Armageddon]

The sim for whatever reason will not let the Bowlers bowl and the batsman bat, it worked for the innings where they did the opposite

Proof that Kallis makes the sides uneven, he took 10/126 :p
I kept trying and it continued to stuff up after the bowlers had batted so it wasn't just me.

Vettori made a ton and Ponting an dKallis bowled 70 overs each. Harmison made 40 off 215 bowls :eek:

[eddiesmith]

I kept trying and it continued to stuff up after the bowlers had batted so it wasn't just me.

Vettori made a ton and Ponting an dKallis bowled 70 overs each. Harmison made 40 off 215 bowls :eek:
The bowlers bat very slowly, they declared on day 3 at 426/5

[spell_check]

Just take a few bowlers out i.e. only make them batsman.

[eddiesmith]

Found the problem, no keeper, so simple :p

Simming now

[spell_check]

Why does the batting lineup have a genuine test allroudner? that amkes it a bit unfair.

Bowlers win test matches.

It's because Kallis is probably S.Africas best batsman, and similarly Vettori is N.Zs' best bowler. Interesting that the three batsman with the best batting averages - Kallis, Ponting and Tendulkar also have the best three bowling averages.

[eddiesmith]

As I expected, it was a draw

Low averages means the Bowlers dont bat very quickly yet the batsman cant dismiss them

Date: 03-10-2006

WORLD XI BOWLERS VS WORLD XI BATTERS at MCG
5 day match
Pitch Condition: Normal

WORLD XI BOWLERS WON THE TOSS AND ELECTED TO BOWL FIRST

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WORLD XI BATTERS 1st innings

Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Matthew Hayden b. Ntini 21 22 4 0 95.5%
Justin Langer b. Ahktar 0 4 0 0 0.0%
Ricky Ponting lbw b. Harmison 38 67 8 0 56.7%
Habibul Bashir st Baisya b. Kumble 58 188 8 0 30.9%
Marcus Trescothick c. Murali b. Harmison 150 233 26 2 64.4%
Sachin Tendulkar lbw b. Harmison 16 15 4 0 106.7%
Jacques Kallis b. Warne 39 94 7 0 41.5%
Hamish Marshall b. Warne 42 52 9 0 80.8%
Inzamam Ul-Haq lbw b. Murali 44 46 10 0 95.7%
Brian Lara lbw b. Ahktar 29 40 7 0 72.5%
Kumar Sangakarra not out 19 28 3 0 67.9%

Total: 473/10 Overs: 131.0 Run Rate: 3.61 Extras: 17

Day 2 1:16 PM


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WORLD XI BATTERS Partnerships

Batsmen Runs (Balls)
M Hayden J Langer þ 8 (10)
M Hayden R Ponting þþþþþþ 28 (28)
H Bashir R Ponting þþþþþþþþþþþ 46 (109)
H Bashir Tresc'hick þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 146 (275)
Tendulkar Tresc'hick þþþþþþ 28 (37)
J Kallis Tresc'hick þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 68 (138)
J Kallis H Marshall þþþþþþþ 30 (41)
I Ul-Haq H Marshall þþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 61 (67)
I Ul-Haq B Lara þþþþ 18 (22)
Sangakarra B Lara þþþþþþþþþ 40 (59)


Fall of Wickets 8/1 36/2 82/3 228/4 256/5
324/6 354/7 415/8 433/9 473/10

Total: 473/10 Overs: 131.0 Run Rate: 3.61 Extras: 17

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WORLD XI BOWLERS Bowling

Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Glenn McGRath 17.0 4 71 0 4.18 2 1
Shoaib Ahktar 14.0 2 37 2 2.64 0 0
Fidel Edwards 19.0 4 74 0 3.89 0 0
Makhya Ntini 14.0 6 44 1 3.14 0 0
Stephen Harmison 12.0 2 38 3 3.17 1 1
Shane Warne 15.0 2 44 2 2.93 0 1
Murali 18.0 4 78 1 4.33 0 2
Daniel Vettori 14.0 0 58 0 4.14 0 0
Anil Kumble 8.0 2 20 1 2.50 0 0


EXTRAS Wides: 3 No Balls: 5 Leg Byes: 8 Byes: 1

Total: 473/10 Overs: 131.0 Run Rate: 3.61 Extras: 17
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WORLD XI BOWLERS 1st innings

Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Shane Warne lbw b. Kallis 47 148 8 0 31.8%
Daniel Vettori c. Hayden b. Kallis 44 111 9 0 39.6%
Anil Kumble b. Kallis 11 36 1 0 30.6%
Irfan Pathan lbw b. Kallis 74 192 15 0 38.5%
Murali c. Sangakarra b. Kallis 56 157 9 1 35.7%
Makhya Ntini b. Kallis 74 190 12 0 38.9%
Glenn McGRath lbw b. Kallis 23 53 4 0 43.4%
Fidel Edwards lbw b. Kallis 0 2 0 0 0.0%
Tappash Baisya lbw b. Kallis 39 130 8 0 30.0%
Stephen Harmison c. Sangakarra b. Tendulkar 12 32 3 0 37.5%
Shoaib Ahktar not out 5 27 1 0 18.5%

Total: 407/10 Overs: 178.4 Run Rate: 2.28 Extras: 22

Day 4 1:11 PM


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WORLD XI BOWLERS Partnerships

Batsmen Runs (Balls)
S Warne D Vettori þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 101 (253)
S Warne A Kumble þ 1 (12)
I Pathan A Kumble þþþþþþþþ 28 (55)
I Pathan M Murali þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 120 (308)
M Ntini M Murali þ 3 (24)
M Ntini G McGRath þþþþþþþþþþþþþ 46 (107)
M Ntini F Edwards 0 (2)
M Ntini T Baisya þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 84 (236)
S Harmison T Baisya þþþ 13 (27)
S Harmison S Ahktar þþþ 11 (48)


Fall of Wickets 101/1 102/2 130/3 250/4 253/5
299/6 299/7 383/8 396/9 407/10

Total: 407/10 Overs: 178.4 Run Rate: 2.28 Extras: 22

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WORLD XI BATTERS Bowling

Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Jacques Kallis 84.0 32 155 9 1.85 3 2
Sachin Tendulkar 40.4 10 110 1 2.70 1 3
Ricky Ponting 38.0 7 101 0 2.66 2 2
Marcus Trescothick 16.0 7 32 0 2.00 0 0


EXTRAS Wides: 6 No Balls: 7 Leg Byes: 7 Byes: 2

Total: 407/10 Overs: 178.4 Run Rate: 2.28 Extras: 22
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WORLD XI BATTERS 2nd innings

Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Matthew Hayden not out 221 255 49 0 86.7%
Justin Langer lbw b. Ahktar 27 51 6 0 52.9%
Ricky Ponting c. Ntini b. Ahktar 8 4 2 0 200.0%
Habibul Bashir b. Murali 43 186 6 0 23.1%
Marcus Trescothick c. Baisya b. Ahktar 8 7 2 0 114.3%
Sachin Tendulkar c. Kumble b. Ahktar 5 24 1 0 20.8%
Jacques Kallis not out 0 2 0 0 0.0%
Hamish Marshall
Inzamam Ul-Haq
Brian Lara
Kumar Sangakarra

Total: 328/5 Overs: 87.5 Run Rate: 3.73 Extras: 16

Day 5 1:02 PM

INNINGS DECLARED

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WORLD XI BATTERS Partnerships

Batsmen Runs (Balls)
M Hayden J Langer þþþþþþþþþþþþ 72 (110)
M Hayden R Ponting þ 8 (4)
M Hayden H Bashir þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 203 (347)
M Hayden Tresc'hick þþ 12 (13)
M Hayden Tendulkar þþþþþ 33 (51)
M Hayden J Kallis 0 (2)


Fall of Wickets 72/1 80/2 283/3 295/4 328/5


Total: 328/5 Overs: 87.5 Run Rate: 3.73 Extras: 16

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WORLD XI BOWLERS Bowling

Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Glenn McGRath 9.0 0 37 0 4.11 1 1
Shoaib Ahktar 9.5 1 44 4 4.47 0 1
Fidel Edwards 11.0 1 56 0 5.09 0 2
Makhya Ntini 5.0 1 17 0 3.40 0 0
Stephen Harmison 14.0 4 31 0 2.21 0 0
Anil Kumble 9.0 3 29 0 3.22 0 0
Murali 11.0 4 53 1 4.82 0 0
Shane Warne 11.0 3 34 0 3.09 1 0
Daniel Vettori 8.0 3 17 0 2.13 0 0


EXTRAS Wides: 2 No Balls: 4 Leg Byes: 7 Byes: 3

Total: 328/5 Overs: 87.5 Run Rate: 3.73 Extras: 16
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WORLD XI BOWLERS 2nd innings (Target: 395)

Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Shane Warne c. Hayden b. Kallis 30 83 5 0 36.1%
Daniel Vettori lbw b. Kallis 35 88 7 0 39.8%
Anil Kumble not out 14 80 1 0 17.5%
Irfan Pathan not out 35 70 8 0 50.0%
Murali
Makhya Ntini
Glenn McGRath
Fidel Edwards
Tappash Baisya
Stephen Harmison
Shoaib Ahktar

Total: 121/2 Overs: 53.0 Run Rate: 2.28 Extras: 7

Day 5 5:00 PM


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WORLD XI BOWLERS Partnerships

Batsmen Runs (Balls)
S Warne D Vettori þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 70 (166)
A Kumble D Vettori þ 1 (10)
A Kumble I Pathan þþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþþ 50 (142)


Fall of Wickets 70/1 71/2


Total: 121/2 Overs: 53.0 Run Rate: 2.28 Extras: 7

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WORLD XI BATTERS Bowling

Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Jacques Kallis 25.0 8 44 2 1.76 1 0
Sachin Tendulkar 14.0 2 34 0 2.43 0 0
Ricky Ponting 13.0 4 35 0 2.69 2 0
Marcus Trescothick 1.0 0 4 0 4.00 0 0


EXTRAS Wides: 3 No Balls: 0 Leg Byes: 2 Byes: 2

Total: 121/2 Overs: 53.0 Run Rate: 2.28 Extras: 7
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World XI Batters 473 & 328/5d
World XI Bowlers 407 & 121/2

World XI Bowlers draw with World XI Batters

Man of the match: Jacques Kallis

[spell_check]

Found the problem, no keeper, so simple :p

Simming now

Come to think of it, Boucher took a wicket against West Indies - he should have got a gig?

[spell_check]

O M R W
Kallis match figures - 109 40 199 11

:rolleyes:

Also, the bowlers run rate was exactly the same in both innings - 2.28.

[SorryIHammerChicken]

Try simming it on ICC 2005 - I think there's a two player mode on there where you could do it.

[Sidey_87]

It'snot fair having Kallis in the side, he's an all rounder, if he played for bowlers, they would kill the batsmen.

[Armageddon]

Date: 03-11-2006

BOWLERS VS BATTER'S at WACA
6 day match
Pitch Condition: Poor

BOWLERS WON THE TOSS AND ELECTED TO BOWL FIRST

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BATTER'S 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Matthew Hayden lbw b. Mural'iran 50 88 11 0 56.8%
Justin Langer lbw b. Kumble 46 43 9 0 107.0%
Ricky Ponting c & b. Mcgrath 91 101 15 1 90.1%
Brian Lara b. Mcgrath 78 100 15 1 78.0%
Marcus Trescothick c. Mural'iran b. Harmison 22 23 3 1 95.7%
Sachin Tendulkar c. Kumble b. Vettori 89 175 18 1 50.9%
Jaques Kallis b. Mcgrath 0 1 0 0 0.0%
Inzaman Ul-Haq c. Vettori b. Warne 17 20 4 0 85.0%
HAmish Marshall b. Mural'iran 2 5 0 0 40.0%
Kumar Sangakarra not out 99 130 19 0 76.2%
Habibul Bashir b. Kumble 14 35 3 0 40.0%

Total: 543/10 Overs: 120.1 Run Rate: 4.52 Extras: 35

Day 2 12:33 PM


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BATTER'S Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Matthew Hayden 2 Justin Langer 81 85 81/1
1 Matthew Hayden 3 Ricky Ponting 52 84 133/2
4 Brian Lara 3 Ricky Ponting 98 120 231/3
4 Brian Lara 5 Marcus Trescothick 46 40 277/4
4 Brian Lara 6 Sachin Tendulkar 37 46 314/5
7 Jaques Kallis 6 Sachin Tendulkar 0 1 314/6
8 Inzaman Ul-Haq 6 Sachin Tendulkar 36 35 350/7
9 HAmish Marshall 6 Sachin Tendulkar 6 12 356/8
10 Kumar Sangakarra 6 Sachin Tendulkar 160 247 516/9
10 Kumar Sangakarra 11 Habibul Bashir 27 51 543/10


Total: 543/10 Overs: 120.1 Run Rate: 4.52 Extras: 35

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BOWLERS Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Glenn Mcgrath 17.0 4 68 3 4.00 0 1
Shoaib Akhtar 15.0 1 79 0 5.27 0 0
Fidel Edwards 5.0 0 19 0 3.80 0 0
Makhaya Ntini 14.0 0 58 0 4.14 0 1
Stephen Harmison 10.0 0 49 1 4.90 0 2
Shane Warne 16.0 1 73 1 4.56 0 2
Anil Kumble 15.1 3 78 2 5.14 1 3
Muttiah Muralithiran 16.0 2 57 2 3.56 0 1
Daniel Vettori 9.0 1 27 1 3.00 0 3
Shaun Tait 3.0 1 14 0 4.67 0 0

EXTRAS Wides: 1 No Balls: 13 Leg Byes: 7 Byes: 14
Total: 543/10 Overs: 120.1 Run Rate: 4.52 Extras: 35
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BOWLERS 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Daniel Vettori b. Kallis 35 132 6 0 26.5%
Shane Warne b. Kallis 69 112 14 0 61.6%
Shaun Tait b. Kallis 23 81 4 0 28.4%
H Baisya c. Tendulkar b. Ponting 22 34 4 0 64.7%
Stephen Harmison lbw b. Ponting 19 72 2 0 26.4%
Anil Kumble c & b. Kallis 12 35 2 0 34.3%
Makhaya Ntini c. Tresc'hick b. Kallis 8 19 1 0 42.1%
Fidel Edwards c. Kallis b. Ponting 9 19 1 0 47.4%
Muttiah Muralithiranlbw b. Kallis 2 30 0 0 6.7%
Glenn Mcgrath not out 13 24 2 0 54.2%
Shoaib Akhtar run out (Marshall) 0 5 0 0 0.0%

Total: 232/10 Overs: 93.5 Run Rate: 2.47 Extras: 20

Day 3 12:48 PM


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BOWLERS Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Daniel Vettori 2 Shane Warne 104 219 104/1
1 Daniel Vettori 3 Shaun Tait 13 49 117/2
4 H Baisya 3 Shaun Tait 34 56 151/3
5 Stephen Harmison 3 Shaun Tait 15 61 166/4
5 Stephen Harmison 6 Anil Kumble 31 77 197/5
7 Makhaya Ntini 6 Anil Kumble 2 5 199/6
7 Makhaya Ntini 8 Fidel Edwards 9 24 208/7
9 Muttiah Muralithiran 8 Fidel Edwards 8 18 216/8
9 Muttiah Muralithiran 10 Glenn Mcgrath 14 43 230/9
11 Shoaib Akhtar 10 Glenn Mcgrath 2 11 232/10


Total: 232/10 Overs: 93.5 Run Rate: 2.47 Extras: 20

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BATTER'S Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Jaques Kallis 44.5 11 117 6 2.61 5 5
Ricky Ponting 39.0 9 88 3 2.26 1 2
Sachin Tendulkar 10.0 4 20 0 2.00 0 0

EXTRAS Wides: 6 No Balls: 7 Leg Byes: 3 Byes: 4
Total: 232/10 Overs: 93.5 Run Rate: 2.47 Extras: 20
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BOWLERS 2nd innings (Follow on)
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Daniel Vettori not out 105 468 16 0 22.4%
Shane Warne lbw b. Ponting 10 26 2 0 38.5%
Shaun Tait c. Bashir b. Kallis 13 128 1 0 10.2%
H Baisya lbw b. Ponting 19 129 3 0 14.7%
Stephen Harmison lbw b. Kallis 4 35 0 0 11.4%
Anil Kumble c. Bashir b. Kallis 8 24 0 0 33.3%
Makhaya Ntini c. Tendulkar b. Kallis 10 43 1 0 23.3%
Fidel Edwards c. Sangakarra b. Ponting 4 36 0 0 11.1%
Muttiah Muralithiranlbw b. Ponting 0 9 0 0 0.0%
Glenn Mcgrath lbw b. Kallis 0 9 0 0 0.0%
Shoaib Akhtar c. Ponting b. Kallis 0 5 0 0 0.0%

Total: 208/10 Overs: 152.0 Run Rate: 1.37 Extras: 35

Day 5 10:26 AM


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BOWLERS Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Daniel Vettori 2 Shane Warne 21 69 21/1
1 Daniel Vettori 3 Shaun Tait 54 242 75/2
1 Daniel Vettori 4 H Baisya 50 251 125/3
1 Daniel Vettori 5 Stephen Harmison 15 67 140/4
1 Daniel Vettori 6 Anil Kumble 18 73 158/5
1 Daniel Vettori 7 Makhaya Ntini 29 98 187/6
1 Daniel Vettori 8 Fidel Edwards 20 71 207/7
1 Daniel Vettori 9 Muttiah Muralithiran 1 15 208/8
1 Daniel Vettori 10 Glenn Mcgrath 0 21 208/9
1 Daniel Vettori 11 Shoaib Akhtar 0 5 208/10


Total: 208/10 Overs: 152.0 Run Rate: 1.37 Extras: 35

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BATTER'S Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Jaques Kallis 69.0 33 71 6 1.03 2 4
Ricky Ponting 71.0 27 105 4 1.48 5 4
Sachin Tendulkar 12.0 5 13 0 1.08 0 1

EXTRAS Wides: 7 No Balls: 9 Leg Byes: 2 Byes: 17
Total: 208/10 Overs: 152.0 Run Rate: 1.37 Extras: 35
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Batter's 543
Bowlers 232 & 208

Batter's won by an innings and 103 runs

Man of the match: Jaques Kallis ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On a bowler's pitch the batsman dominated the bowlers and then bowled the Bowlers out wiht Kallis taking 12 for the match. If the bowlers fatigued in this game, the Batsmans team would have got beaten i reckon. But, Vettori's ton which was made off 475 odd balls almost salvaged the draw. Though, it was a 6 day game to stop draws

[Squizza]

Is Kallis was allowed to play, why didn't Pollock? Also why is Tait and Edwards there? Surely Bond can find a place in that team

[Armageddon]

Date: 03-11-2006

BATTER'S VS BOWLERS at Adelaide Oval
6 day match
Pitch Condition: Excellent

BATTER'S WON THE TOSS AND ELECTED TO BAT FIRST

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BATTER'S 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Matthew Hayden c. Kumble b. Akhtar 222 280 43 3 79.3%
Justin Langer c. Kumble b. Akhtar 1 16 0 0 6.3%
Ricky Ponting c & b. Ntini 5 13 1 0 38.5%
Brian Lara c. Akhtar b. Mcgrath 86 154 18 0 55.8%
Marcus Trescothick c. Baisya b. Ntini 34 39 6 0 87.2%
Sachin Tendulkar b. Warne 63 97 12 1 64.9%
Jaques Kallis c. Vettori b. Akhtar 21 44 3 0 47.7%
Inzaman Ul-Haq c. Vettori b. Mcgrath 7 37 1 0 18.9%
HAmish Marshall c. Kumble b. Warne 25 48 4 0 52.1%
Kumar Sangakarra c. Akhtar b. Mcgrath 4 5 1 0 80.0%
Habibul Bashir not out 15 57 3 0 26.3%

Total: 503/10 Overs: 131.4 Run Rate: 3.82 Extras: 20

Day 2 3:11 PM


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BATTER'S Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Matthew Hayden 2 Justin Langer 10 34 10/1
1 Matthew Hayden 3 Ricky Ponting 14 24 24/2
1 Matthew Hayden 4 Brian Lara 194 292 218/3
1 Matthew Hayden 5 Marcus Trescothick 60 75 278/4
1 Matthew Hayden 6 Sachin Tendulkar 134 151 412/5
7 Jaques Kallis 6 Sachin Tendulkar 23 36 435/6
7 Jaques Kallis 8 Inzaman Ul-Haq 23 67 458/7
9 HAmish Marshall 8 Inzaman Ul-Haq 0 6 458/8
9 HAmish Marshall 10 Kumar Sangakarra 4 5 462/9
9 HAmish Marshall 11 Habibul Bashir 41 100 503/10


Total: 503/10 Overs: 131.4 Run Rate: 3.82 Extras: 20

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BOWLERS Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Glenn Mcgrath 18.0 3 75 3 4.17 0 0
Shoaib Akhtar 19.0 6 74 3 3.89 0 0
Stephen Harmison 13.0 2 50 0 3.85 0 0
Makhaya Ntini 16.0 1 63 2 3.94 0 0
Muttiah Muralithiran 13.0 0 60 0 4.62 0 2
Anil Kumble 18.0 6 68 0 3.78 0 0
Daniel Vettori 11.0 3 23 0 2.09 0 0
Shane Warne 15.4 3 52 2 3.32 0 3
Fidel Edwards 5.0 0 18 0 3.60 0 1
Shaun Tait 3.0 1 6 0 2.00 0 0

EXTRAS Wides: 0 No Balls: 6 Leg Byes: 5 Byes: 9
Total: 503/10 Overs: 131.4 Run Rate: 3.82 Extras: 20
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BOWLERS 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Daniel Vettori lbw b. Kallis 4 20 1 0 20.0%
Shane Warne lbw b. Kallis 7 45 0 0 15.6%
Shaun Tait c. Hayden b. Kallis 47 91 7 0 51.6%
H Baisya b. Kallis 63 181 12 0 34.8%
Stephen Harmison lbw b. Kallis 2 16 0 0 12.5%
Anil Kumble c. Sangakarra b. Ponting 42 133 5 0 31.6%
Makhaya Ntini c. Hayden b. Ponting 17 37 3 0 45.9%
Fidel Edwards c. Lara b. Kallis 10 33 1 0 30.3%
Muttiah Muralithiranlbw b. Ponting 2 28 0 0 7.1%
Glenn Mcgrath not out 7 51 1 0 13.7%
Shoaib Akhtar lbw b. Kallis 16 45 3 0 35.6%

Total: 244/10 Overs: 113.2 Run Rate: 2.15 Extras: 27

Day 3 4:45 PM


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BOWLERS Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Daniel Vettori 2 Shane Warne 12 30 12/1
3 Shaun Tait 2 Shane Warne 27 59 39/2
3 Shaun Tait 4 H Baisya 53 148 92/3
5 Stephen Harmison 4 H Baisya 9 36 101/4
6 Anil Kumble 4 H Baisya 67 135 168/5
6 Anil Kumble 7 Makhaya Ntini 35 99 203/6
6 Anil Kumble 8 Fidel Edwards 13 27 216/7
9 Muttiah Muralithiran 8 Fidel Edwards 4 49 220/8
9 Muttiah Muralithiran 10 Glenn Mcgrath 0 6 220/9
11 Shoaib Akhtar 10 Glenn Mcgrath 24 91 244/10


Total: 244/10 Overs: 113.2 Run Rate: 2.15 Extras: 27

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BATTER'S Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Jaques Kallis 56.2 26 104 7 1.85 2 3
Ricky Ponting 48.0 11 105 3 2.19 2 6
Sachin Tendulkar 9.0 2 21 0 2.33 0 0

EXTRAS Wides: 4 No Balls: 9 Leg Byes: 6 Byes: 8
Total: 244/10 Overs: 113.2 Run Rate: 2.15 Extras: 27
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BOWLERS 2nd innings (Follow on)
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Daniel Vettori c. Ponting b. Kallis 0 10 0 0 0.0%
Shane Warne c. Marshall b. Kallis 9 21 1 0 42.9%
Shaun Tait c. Bashir b. Kallis 9 49 1 0 18.4%
H Baisya b. Kallis 39 96 6 0 40.6%
Stephen Harmison lbw b. Kallis 12 28 2 0 42.9%
Anil Kumble c. Kallis b. Ponting 31 48 6 0 64.6%
Makhaya Ntini c & b. Kallis 1 6 0 0 16.7%
Fidel Edwards c. Lara b. Ponting 6 29 1 0 20.7%
Muttiah Muralithirannot out 23 89 3 0 25.8%
Glenn Mcgrath b. Kallis 10 33 2 0 30.3%
Shoaib Akhtar c. Marshall b. Kallis 14 52 2 0 26.9%

Total: 162/10 Overs: 76.5 Run Rate: 2.11 Extras: 8

Day 4 4:33 PM


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BOWLERS Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Daniel Vettori 2 Shane Warne 4 16 4/1
3 Shaun Tait 2 Shane Warne 9 33 13/2
3 Shaun Tait 4 H Baisya 34 65 47/3
5 Stephen Harmison 4 H Baisya 18 57 65/4
6 Anil Kumble 4 H Baisya 36 65 101/5
6 Anil Kumble 7 Makhaya Ntini 6 11 107/6
6 Anil Kumble 8 Fidel Edwards 2 22 109/7
9 Muttiah Muralithiran 8 Fidel Edwards 9 31 118/8
9 Muttiah Muralithiran 10 Glenn Mcgrath 16 63 134/9
9 Muttiah Muralithiran 11 Shoaib Akhtar 28 98 162/10


Total: 162/10 Overs: 76.5 Run Rate: 2.11 Extras: 8

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BATTER'S Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Jaques Kallis 36.5 11 85 8 2.31 1 2
Ricky Ponting 32.0 10 66 2 2.06 0 0
Sachin Tendulkar 8.0 4 6 0 0.75 0 0

EXTRAS Wides: 1 No Balls: 2 Leg Byes: 2 Byes: 3
Total: 162/10 Overs: 76.5 Run Rate: 2.11 Extras: 8
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Batter's 503
Bowlers 244 & 162

Batter's won by an innings and 97 runs

Man of the match: Jaques Kallis

For the final test i am dropping Kallis from the Batters team and bring in Jaques Rudolph.

[Armageddon]

Date: 03-11-2006

BATTER'S VS BOWLERS at MCG
6 day match
Pitch Condition: Poor

BOWLERS WON THE TOSS AND ELECTED TO BOWL FIRST

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BATTER'S 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Matthew Hayden b. Ntini 58 103 13 0 56.3%
Justin Langer c. Vettori b. Mural'iran 53 108 9 0 49.1%
Ricky Ponting c. Baisya b. Harmison 31 47 7 0 66.0%
Brian Lara b. Warne 18 31 4 0 58.1%
Marcus Trescothick lbw b. Harmison 4 5 1 0 80.0%
Sachin Tendulkar c & b. Mcgrath 118 149 26 1 79.2%
Jaques Rudolph b. Warne 18 24 3 0 75.0%
Inzaman Ul-Haq c. Edwards b. Mcgrath 38 61 7 0 62.3%
HAmish Marshall not out 93 122 15 1 76.2%
Kumar Sangakarra b. Mcgrath 50 84 8 1 59.5%
Habibul Bashir b. Kumble 10 37 1 0 27.0%

Total: 510/10 Overs: 128.3 Run Rate: 3.97 Extras: 19

Day 2 1:06 PM


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BATTER'S Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Matthew Hayden 2 Justin Langer 112 191 112/1
3 Ricky Ponting 2 Justin Langer 18 51 130/2
3 Ricky Ponting 4 Brian Lara 36 37 166/3
5 Marcus Trescothick 4 Brian Lara 4 11 170/4
6 Sachin Tendulkar 4 Brian Lara 2 7 172/5
6 Sachin Tendulkar 7 Jaques Rudolph 38 46 210/6
6 Sachin Tendulkar 8 Inzaman Ul-Haq 93 136 303/7
6 Sachin Tendulkar 9 HAmish Marshall 67 74 370/8
10 Kumar Sangakarra 9 HAmish Marshall 115 155 485/9
11 Habibul Bashir 9 HAmish Marshall 25 63 510/10


Total: 510/10 Overs: 128.3 Run Rate: 3.97 Extras: 19

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BOWLERS Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Glenn Mcgrath 14.0 2 54 3 3.86 0 2
Shoaib Akhtar 13.0 1 47 0 3.62 0 0
Shaun Tait 5.0 2 18 0 3.60 0 0
Stephen Harmison 14.0 3 55 2 3.93 2 1
Makhaya Ntini 14.0 2 76 1 5.43 1 1
Shane Warne 16.0 2 54 2 3.38 0 0
Muttiah Muralithiran 19.0 4 93 1 4.89 0 1
Daniel Vettori 14.0 4 43 0 3.07 0 2
Anil Kumble 17.3 3 56 1 3.20 0 2
Fidel Edwards 2.0 0 7 0 3.50 0 0

EXTRAS Wides: 3 No Balls: 9 Leg Byes: 6 Byes: 1
Total: 510/10 Overs: 128.3 Run Rate: 3.97 Extras: 19
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BOWLERS 1st innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Daniel Vettori b. Tendulkar 213 658 35 2 32.4%
Shane Warne c. Sangakarra b. Ponting 23 32 5 0 71.9%
Shaun Tait c. Sangakarra b. Ponting 173 642 24 0 26.9%
H Baisya c. Hayden b. Ponting 113 359 15 0 31.5%
Stephen Harmison c. Langer b. Ponting 11 103 1 0 10.7%
Anil Kumble not out 72 306 8 0 23.5%
Makhaya Ntini not out 11 40 2 0 27.5%
Fidel Edwards
Muttiah Muralithiran
Glenn Mcgrath
Shoaib Akhtar

Total: 671/5 Overs: 356.4 Run Rate: 1.88 Extras: 55

Day 6 2:33 PM

INNINGS DECLARED

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BOWLERS Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Daniel Vettori 2 Shane Warne 31 73 31/1
1 Daniel Vettori 3 Shaun Tait 393 %1233 424/2
4 H Baisya 3 Shaun Tait 33 56 457/3
4 H Baisya 5 Stephen Harmison 42 181 499/4
4 H Baisya 6 Anil Kumble 145 526 644/5
7 Makhaya Ntini 6 Anil Kumble 27 71


Total: 671/5 Overs: 356.4 Run Rate: 1.88 Extras: 55

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BATTER'S Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Ricky Ponting 165.4 58 332 4 2.00 3 15
Jaques Rudolph 81.0 29 143 0 1.77 0 9
Sachin Tendulkar 110.0 43 176 1 1.60 4 4

EXTRAS Wides: 7 No Balls: 28 Leg Byes: 13 Byes: 7
Total: 671/5 Overs: 356.4 Run Rate: 1.88 Extras: 55
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BATTER'S 2nd innings
Player Status Runs Blls 4s 6s S/R
Matthew Hayden not out 40 99 8 0 40.4%
Justin Langer c & b. Mural'iran 31 58 5 0 53.4%
Ricky Ponting not out 17 23 4 0 73.9%
Brian Lara
Marcus Trescothick
Sachin Tendulkar
Jaques Rudolph
Inzaman Ul-Haq
HAmish Marshall
Kumar Sangakarra
Habibul Bashir

Total: 95/1 Overs: 30.0 Run Rate: 3.17 Extras: 7

Day 6 4:31 PM


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BATTER'S Partnerships

No Batsman No Batsman Runs Balls FOW
1 Matthew Hayden 2 Justin Langer 71 129 71/1
1 Matthew Hayden 3 Ricky Ponting 24 51


Total: 95/1 Overs: 30.0 Run Rate: 3.17 Extras: 7

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BOWLERS Bowling
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts E/R Wds NBs
Glenn Mcgrath 3.0 0 12 0 4.00 0 1
Shoaib Akhtar 5.0 2 11 0 2.20 0 1
Fidel Edwards 2.0 0 5 0 2.50 0 0
Stephen Harmison 3.0 0 10 0 3.33 0 0
Makhaya Ntini 3.0 0 4 0 1.33 0 1
Shane Warne 3.0 1 6 0 2.00 0 0
Anil Kumble 4.0 1 17 0 4.25 0 0
Muttiah Muralithiran 3.0 0 11 1 3.67 0 0
Shaun Tait 2.0 0 14 0 7.00 1 0
Daniel Vettori 2.0 1 2 0 1.00 0 0

EXTRAS Wides: 1 No Balls: 3 Leg Byes: 3 Byes: 0
Total: 95/1 Overs: 30.0 Run Rate: 3.17 Extras: 7
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Batter's 510 & 95/1
Bowlers 671/5d

Batter's draw with Bowlers

Man of the match: Daniel Vettori


2-0 to the batters but i think if KAllis hadn't played at all it would have been different.

[The Reaper]

Teams are a bit unfair.

You can't say that Tait, Edwards and Baisya are in the best XI bowlers in the world.

[Armageddon]

Teams are a bit unfair.

You can't say that Tait, Edwards and Baisya are in the best XI bowlers in the world.
I did not make the teams, i think he put in some Windies and Bangas to get a bit of each and Tait was in because he was a South Aussie.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Cameron White wouldn't make either team :)

[Kane McGoodwin]

I couldn't see a team of batsman bowl out a team of bowlers twice, so the most likely result would be a draw ... unless it was on a pitch which was virtually unplayable.

[spell_check]

I did not make the teams, i think he put in some Windies and Bangas to get a bit of each and Tait was in because he was a South Aussie.

Correct. Otherwise you would get people whinging about no Bangladeshis or West Indians.

[spell_check]

Having said that, it doesn't really matter so much with all the other bowlers in there.

[GoSydneySwans]

Muralitharan
McGrath
Warne
Hoggard
Ntini
Vaas
Akhtar
Flintoff
Nel
Pollock
Pathan


Ponting
Kallis
Lara
Hayden
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Dravid
Khan
Yousuf
Trescothick
Sehwag
Chanderpaul

Not just guesses, they're the official rankings. At least it means that its fair.

[trigg]

Someone should sim that!

[trigg]

What is the website for the sim?

[Armageddon]

Muralitharan
McGrath
Warne
Hoggard
Ntini
Vaas
Akhtar
Flintoff
Nel
Pollock
Pathan


Ponting
Kallis
Lara
Hayden
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Dravid
Khan
Yousuf
Trescothick
Sehwag
Chanderpaul

Not just guesses, they're the official rankings. At least it means that its fair.
If someone does the averages i will do a 3 test series again though in each team i want a keeper because the sim doesn't work without a keeper in each side so I'll just make Dravid the batters keeper and NEl for the Bowlers keeper.

[Blues_Man]

Muralitharan
McGrath
Warne
Hoggard
Ntini
Vaas
Akhtar
Flintoff
Nel
Pollock
Pathan


Ponting
Kallis
Lara
Hayden
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Dravid
Khan
Yousuf
Trescothick
Sehwag
Chanderpaul

Not just guesses, they're the official rankings. At least it means that its fair.
The bowling side should win that match easily...with the likes of Flintoff , Pollock , Warne and Vaas they have the batting power to score a large total against the batsmen

[beatnik]

excellent topic

one idea might be to use the ICC rannkings and then remove any batters who have taken 5-for and any bowlers who have scored a Test hundred as they are almost certainly in the all-rounder category

then add a wicketkeeper to each team - let's say Sanga and Gilly

*Gilly replaces Pollock (all rounder)
Pathan
Warne
* Kumble to replace Flintoff (all-rounder)
Vaas
Hoggard
McGrath
Nel
Akhtar
Ntini
Muralitharan

Sanga to replace Kallis (out - all-rounder)
Sehwag
Trescothick
Ponting
Lara
Hayden
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Dravid
Khan
Yousuf
Chanderpaul

who would win?

[The Dice Man]

Doesn't mean they can all of a sudden score ten an over though.


Australia's 434 have you reconsidering? ;)

[eddiesmith]

Australia's 434 have you reconsidering? ;)
Why would it? They only scored less than 9 an over, on a small ground and against a ******** attack, we are talking the best 10 bowlers in the world here, no an RSA joke attack

[The Dice Man]

Why would it? They only scored less than 9 an over, on a small ground and against a ******** attack, we are talking the best 10 bowlers in the world here, no an RSA joke attack


You raise a good point, and Im actually at fault here because in this thread I never considered it to be a game of the Best Batters V the Best Bowlers, just a game of batter V bowlers of roughly equal talent.

If you are going to put the 11 best bowlers against a team of batters, no matter how good, then 500 might not be so easily gettable, but I'll settle for 490.